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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: karlos on January 14, 2021, 04:46:36 pm
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I honestly believe that ben whiteman going has seriously put a dent in our promotion hopes. without him last week our midfield looked bare yes we won the game but there wasn't the control there that we would usually have with ben in. unless we can sign a player and quickly in the same calibre as ben then i can see us fading away.
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I honestly believe that ben whiteman going has seriously put a dent in our promotion hopes. without him last week our midfield looked bare yes we won the game but there wasn't the control there that we would usually have with ben in. unless we can sign a player and quickly in the same calibre as ben then i can see us fading away.
I didn’t realise we were a one man team, yes it’s disappointing but we were missing 3 last weekend not one.
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I think we will fade away if we dont strengthen the midfield with losing Ben but saying that I'm confident the board and DM will strengthen so we stay in the mix for promotion.
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Things will be different and it's easy to look at the bleak side of things but that's why we have managers, coaches and recruitment specialists. Allow them to do their job and see what evolves.
Things may not be a slick as we've been used to through the midfield but there's a simple formula for winning football matches.
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We had Smith, Taylor and Gomes all missing on Saturday and all would very likely have started.
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Let’s find another young talent, Ben isn’t the end of the club, we move on, someone else gets the chance to step up! Darren overall has always been good on recruitment, I’ve faith if he is to bring someone in to replace Ben, he will be a capable player. If it’s a young lad on loan then so be it, that’s exactly how Ben started out and look how that turned out.
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Anyone else feel a bit deflated by the news from Liam Hoden's latest article?
Link here for those that haven't seen it:
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moore-transfer-business-doncaster-rovers-wake-ben-whitemans-departure-3101180
I realise the financial situation that the club is currently in, but it's a bit frustrating to me that we are loading up the squad with more loans than we can actually put in the side (again!). A few loans is fine, but DM saying he likes to have six is, in my view, too many.
I know we're doing well this season but there's something that just doesn't feel right about going back to the bare bones of a squad every year and making up the rest with a conveyor belt of loanees.
No doubt many on here will disagree but that's just my view.
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Not a criticism of Ben with the way he plays or is told to play but I thought we moved the ball forward a lot quicker against Blackburn than in previous games which personally I don't think is necessarily a bad thing. I'll be interested to see how we play in the coming games
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Anyone else feel a bit deflated by the news from Liam Hoden's latest article?
Link here for those that haven't seen it:
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moore-transfer-business-doncaster-rovers-wake-ben-whitemans-departure-3101180
I realise the financial situation that the club is currently in, but it's a bit frustrating to me that we are loading up the squad with more loans than we can actually put in the side (again!). A few loans is fine, but DM saying he likes to have six is, in my view, too many.
I know we're doing well this season but there's something that just doesn't feel right about going back to the bare bones of a squad every year and making up the rest with a conveyor belt of loanees.
No doubt many on here will disagree but that's just my view.
I agree with you. If the club wanted the fans to be positive after losing our best player that statement from DM 100% isn't the way to do it.
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Its just really poor PR from the club once again. Nothing against DM but it just shows that what they say and what they do are two different things.
Twitter is blowing up with fans saying they want their season ticket money back on the back of this sort of response after selling the clubs best player the 2nd season in a row.
It shows no ambition and in fact a sense of standing still and going backwards.
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Anyone else feel a bit deflated by the news from Liam Hoden's latest article?
Link here for those that haven't seen it:
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moore-transfer-business-doncaster-rovers-wake-ben-whitemans-departure-3101180
I realise the financial situation that the club is currently in, but it's a bit frustrating to me that we are loading up the squad with more loans than we can actually put in the side (again!). A few loans is fine, but DM saying he likes to have six is, in my view, too many.
I know we're doing well this season but there's something that just doesn't feel right about going back to the bare bones of a squad every year and making up the rest with a conveyor belt of loanees.
No doubt many on here will disagree but that's just my view.
Apart from the obvious advantages that loans bring - young, fearless players more talented than we otherwise could sign permanently - they provide the club with agility to change personnel in the event of winning promotion. We flesh out the core of the squad with the best we can afford and good enough for the step up and then enhance it with good loanees who may become available to sign permanently in the event of promotion or who can be easily replaced the next season by better alternatives.
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As I said in another thread, it's not just Ben leaving, it's the probability of losing Sims as well.
Unless we can replace both with players as good, then I honestly fear for our promotion chances this season.
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Godlike 1, don't you realise that the reason the club are not going to splash out the transfer money is the fact as time moves on to the end of March the club are going to be hit by supporters wanting recompensing for unused season tickets.
At least now we will have the majority of the money to do so, if it comes to it which is more likely than not, it will be interesting to see how many other clubs find the funds to refund money if it comes to that, some have already said they will be unwilling or unable to do so.
As far as the team is concerned, the young loan players who came to us as green as grass with no or very little league level experience should be by now better for the experience of the first half of the season and we should be a better side for it.
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Not a criticism of Ben with the way he plays or is told to play but I thought we moved the ball forward a lot quicker against Blackburn than in previous games which personally I don't think is necessarily a bad thing. I'll be interested to see how we play in the coming games
Thought James was superb in midfield and kept it nice and simple
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Are we a weaker team without BW?
I guess we are, therefore our chances of being top six have taken a hit.
But if we miss out I don't think we can just point to losing Ben as the reason we didn't do anything.
Although we are sitting in 4th place we are just 3 points above 10th, its a very open league this year. We had a run of fixtures against some struggling teams, and although not playing well, we managed to put a run together. Then due to Covid, we managed to avoid some tough games against our rivals. We could have lost against Peterborough, Fleetwood and Qxford quite easily. So it could be argued we are in a false position atm.
Re the latest from DM. Its typical comedy gold. The club spins things to try and keep us all upbeat and then DM spouts off with something totally different. Who do you believe? I've no idea.
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I know loanees were mentioned in the article and we had six loanees before Christmas because of injuries it was never a problem. But DM said he’s looking at other avenues before loanees. I am disappointed that we are not going to pay a fee for a player. But DM has to work with the finances he has. What is a bit confusing we’ve lost Ben and Copps is injured yet we have two of our young players out on loan. Maybe they would not get in the first team but they would be part of the match day squad. Let’s see what type of magic DM can pull out of the hat to get players we need.
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Are we a weaker team without BW?
I guess we are, therefore our chances of being top six have taken a hit.
But if we miss out I don't think we can just point to losing Ben as the reason we didn't do anything.
Although we are sitting in 4th place we are just 3 points above 10th, its a very open league this year. We had a run of fixtures against some struggling teams, and although not playing well, we managed to put a run together. Then due to Covid, we managed to avoid some tough games against our rivals. We could have lost against Peterborough, Fleetwood and Qxford quite easily. So it could be argued we are in a false position atm.
Re the latest from DM. Its typical comedy gold. The club spins things to try and keep us all upbeat and then DM spouts off with something totally different. Who do you believe? I've no idea.
Charlton, Portsmouth, Ipswich, Lincoln, and Sunderland; struggling teams?
False position? I don't think so.
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Are we a weaker team without BW?
I guess we are, therefore our chances of being top six have taken a hit.
But if we miss out I don't think we can just point to losing Ben as the reason we didn't do anything.
Although we are sitting in 4th place we are just 3 points above 10th, its a very open league this year. We had a run of fixtures against some struggling teams, and although not playing well, we managed to put a run together. Then due to Covid, we managed to avoid some tough games against our rivals. We could have lost against Peterborough, Fleetwood and Qxford quite easily. So it could be argued we are in a false position atm.
Re the latest from DM. Its typical comedy gold. The club spins things to try and keep us all upbeat and then DM spouts off with something totally different. Who do you believe? I've no idea.
Charlton, Portsmouth, Ipswich, Lincoln, and Sunderland; struggling teams?
False position? I don't think so.
hardly recent matches though are they?
I was meaning Burton Swindon Gillingham Northampton.....thats where we picked up the points that took us from 10th to 4th.
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I know loanees were mentioned in the article and we had six loanees before Christmas because of injuries it was never a problem. But DM said he’s looking at other avenues before loanees. I am disappointed that we are not going to pay a fee for a player. But DM has to work with the finances he has. What is a bit confusing we’ve lost Ben and Copps is injured yet we have two of our young players out on loan. Maybe they would not get in the first team but they would be part of the match day squad. Let’s see what type of magic DM can pull out of the hat to get players we need.
Are you including Seaman in those two Steve?
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Hope we don’t opt for another Bingham and thomas :thumbdown:
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I know loanees were mentioned in the article and we had six loanees before Christmas because of injuries it was never a problem. But DM said he’s looking at other avenues before loanees. I am disappointed that we are not going to pay a fee for a player. But DM has to work with the finances he has. What is a bit confusing we’ve lost Ben and Copps is injured yet we have two of our young players out on loan. Maybe they would not get in the first team but they would be part of the match day squad. Let’s see what type of magic DM can pull out of the hat to get players we need.
What is it with the obsession with paying a fee for a player??? Do you not see that all it does is strengthen the finances of an opposing club?
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That’s an odd way of looking at buying football players
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I honestly believe that ben whiteman going has seriously put a dent in our promotion hopes. without him last week our midfield looked bare yes we won the game but there wasn't the control there that we would usually have with ben in. unless we can sign a player and quickly in the same calibre as ben then i can see us fading away.
If you watched the game you may have noticed that we had numerous players playing in positions that they have been forced to adapt too....so obviously the blueprint would not be the same as if Ben was there.....
Ben did a job, no more no less.... now he’s gone we will tweak a bit here and tweak a bit there....maybe add a new face , who knows!
But I doubt the team will be weaker ........ just different
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It's hard to see how the team can not be weaker if we have lost our 2 best players in Simms and BW.
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It's hard to see how the team can not be weaker if we have lost our 2 best players in Simms and BW.
Neither Sims or Ben are any good in goal, neither are very good centre backs or r/l backs..
Neither are good out n out strikers so not sure who you are comparing them to.......oh you mean we’ve lost 2 good midfield players, im sure Smith ,James,Copps, Gomez, Richards and the other couple or three can be coaxed to add something to the team .....it might be different, but it won’t be worse
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There have been a few posters now suggesting we won’t be any weaker after losing Whiteman. This absolutely baffles me. He is (was) our best player, made the team tick and was our captain. Taking him out of the team leaves a massive hole - it was only a few months ago that there was concern that we were light in that department without good enough options to play alongside him, let alone in his place.
We might sign someone, permanently or on loan, who can adequately replace him, and we might find a way to play better without him with the players we have. But any suggestion that we’re not immediately weakened with him leaving is nonsense - like a teenager being dumped and responding “yeah, I was going to dump you anyway”.
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I know loanees were mentioned in the article and we had six loanees before Christmas because of injuries it was never a problem. But DM said he’s looking at other avenues before loanees. I am disappointed that we are not going to pay a fee for a player. But DM has to work with the finances he has. What is a bit confusing we’ve lost Ben and Copps is injured yet we have two of our young players out on loan. Maybe they would not get in the first team but they would be part of the match day squad. Let’s see what type of magic DM can pull out of the hat to get players we need.
Are you including Seaman in those two Steve?
Yes I am, but I also forgot about Greaves and Horton not sure where they are.
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Weaker is subjective.....different is more like it....
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There have been a few posters now suggesting we won’t be any weaker after losing Whiteman. This absolutely baffles me. He is (was) our best player, made the team tick and was our captain. Taking him out of the team leaves a massive hole - it was only a few months ago that there was concern that we were light in that department without good enough options to play alongside him, let alone in his place.
We might sign someone, permanently or on loan, who can adequately replace him, and we might find a way to play better without him with the players we have. But any suggestion that we’re not immediately weakened with him leaving is nonsense - like a teenager being dumped and responding “yeah, I was going to dump you anyway”.
Also he was the leading goal scorer aswell.
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It's hard to see how the team can not be weaker if we have lost our 2 best players in Simms and BW.
Neither Sims or Ben are any good in goal, neither are very good centre backs or r/l backs..
Neither are good out n out strikers so not sure who you are comparing them to.......oh you mean we’ve lost 2 good midfield players, im sure Smith ,James,Copps, Gomez, Richards and the other couple or three can be coaxed to add something to the team .....it might be different, but it won’t be worse
Take away the goals and assists from Ben and Sims this season, and see how many goals we're left with.
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The teams we loaned players from at the beginning of the season would be disappointed with us and them if they were not showing improvement on what sort of players they were when they arrived in August with near twenty league games under their belt.
One is that much better he is said to have championship sides chasing him.
So yes with even more experience the side can get better if we avoid injuries and we Get Smith back in the side or another player who can play in Bens position, will he be as good as Ben? probably not, but does that mean that as a side we will be weaker? not if the players here to improve carry on doing so as quickly as they have up to this juncture in the season.
And our own players Anderson, Wright, Halliday , James, Butler and John are playing as well if not better than at any time since signing for us, Feg and Lokilo are now looking settled and pushing on, Copps and Taylor are a known standard that on their day can take a game by the scruff of the neck.
I don't think Ben leaving, although a very very good player above the standard of League 1 and better than the majority in the Championship is any reason for anyone to be suicidal.
The financial cap in our division will stop most or all the so called big clubs in our division doing a lot in the transfer market, most of them could do with ditching a few players as they will be way over the cap.
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The teams we loaned players from at the beginning of the season would be disappointed with us and them if they were not showing improvement on what sort of players they were when they arrived in August with near twenty league games under their belt.
One is that much better he is said to have championship sides chasing him.
So yes with even more experience the side can get better if we avoid injuries and we Get Smith back in the side or another player who can play in Bens position, will he be as good as Ben? probably not, but does that mean that as a side we will be weaker? not if the players here to improve carry on doing so as quickly as they have up to this juncture in the season.
And our own players Anderson, Wright, Halliday , James, Butler and John are playing as well if not better than at any time since signing for us, Feg and Lokilo are now looking settled and pushing on, Copps and Taylor are a known standard that on their day can take a game by the scruff of the neck.
I don't think Ben leaving, although a very very good player above the standard of League 1 and better than the majority in the Championship is any reason for anyone to be suicidal.
What about Sims Brian? Do you see us replacing him with someone as good?
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I know loanees were mentioned in the article and we had six loanees before Christmas because of injuries it was never a problem. But DM said he’s looking at other avenues before loanees. I am disappointed that we are not going to pay a fee for a player. But DM has to work with the finances he has. What is a bit confusing we’ve lost Ben and Copps is injured yet we have two of our young players out on loan. Maybe they would not get in the first team but they would be part of the match day squad. Let’s see what type of magic DM can pull out of the hat to get players we need.
What is it with the obsession with paying a fee for a player??? Do you not see that all it does is strengthen the finances of an opposing club?
Why the obsession with loans, frees and short term contracts?
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I know loanees were mentioned in the article and we had six loanees before Christmas because of injuries it was never a problem. But DM said he’s looking at other avenues before loanees. I am disappointed that we are not going to pay a fee for a player. But DM has to work with the finances he has. What is a bit confusing we’ve lost Ben and Copps is injured yet we have two of our young players out on loan. Maybe they would not get in the first team but they would be part of the match day squad. Let’s see what type of magic DM can pull out of the hat to get players we need.
What is it with the obsession with paying a fee for a player??? Do you not see that all it does is strengthen the finances of an opposing club?
Why the obsession with loans, frees and short term contracts?
Because we're a third tier Covid affected club.
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I know loanees were mentioned in the article and we had six loanees before Christmas because of injuries it was never a problem. But DM said he’s looking at other avenues before loanees. I am disappointed that we are not going to pay a fee for a player. But DM has to work with the finances he has. What is a bit confusing we’ve lost Ben and Copps is injured yet we have two of our young players out on loan. Maybe they would not get in the first team but they would be part of the match day squad. Let’s see what type of magic DM can pull out of the hat to get players we need.
What is it with the obsession with paying a fee for a player??? Do you not see that all it does is strengthen the finances of an opposing club?
Why the obsession with loans, frees and short term contracts?
Because its more financially prudent than paying a transfer fee when you don't have to.
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Like most on here Steve I would like to see him back but I think it depends on two things, if Southampton increase the cost of a loan? whether a team were impressed with his form for us before injury and are willing to pay a transfer fee and match his wages at Southampton to take him off their hands?
In our favour is wage cap introduction, a lot of Championship sides will struggle to meet it and don't have a lot of money to slosh around and are stuck with high wage players they don't really want.
I think I would try to have patience if I was a manager in this window even with a little money, there will be bargains to be had near the end as teams will be more aware of having to pay supporters back season ticket payments and clubs become more aware of the cap coming in and possible fines for not adhering to it.
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For the first time in several years we are within a hair's breath of promotion to the Championship and the financial bounty that comes from it. Many of must feel we have thrown away that chance by selling Whiteman. By the end of next month we will have a much better idea.
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Of course we’re weaker without Whiteman. We’ve lost our captain and one of the best centre midfielders in the league
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Blah blah blah. Omg as usual. There are some idiots
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Oh so Donny Rovers are interested iin signing our midfielder, haven't they just sold someone for a million or two? Stick another 100k on his price
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It's hard to see how the team can not be weaker if we have lost our 2 best players in Simms and BW.
Neither Sims or Ben are any good in goal, neither are very good centre backs or r/l backs..
Neither are good out n out strikers so not sure who you are comparing them to.......oh you mean we’ve lost 2 good midfield players, im sure Smith ,James,Copps, Gomez, Richards and the other couple or three can be coaxed to add something to the team .....it might be different, but it won’t be worse
Take away the goals and assists from Ben and Sims this season, and see how many goals we're left with.
Take away the other 9 players and see how many goals them 2 would’ve conceded.....very silly analogy...
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Godlike 1, don't you realise that the reason the club are not going to splash out the transfer money is the fact as time moves on to the end of March the club are going to be hit by supporters wanting recompensing for unused season tickets.
At least now we will have the majority of the money to do so, if it comes to it which is more likely than not, it will be interesting to see how many other clubs find the funds to refund money if it comes to that, some have already said they will be unwilling or unable to do so.
As far as the team is concerned, the young loan players who came to us as green as grass with no or very little league level experience should be by now better for the experience of the first half of the season and we should be a better side for it.
Is it really likely that in March lots of fans will want refunds for unused Season Tickets?
I would have thought that the people who wanted a refund would have done it by now and those of us who haven’t had a refund will have been and will carry on watching on iFollow.
What might be affected though is the lack of early ST sales for next season.
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At the risk of dragging the conversation back to football on the actual pitch, it is a difficult role to play but must say we need more from John-Jules or Fejiri when they play up front. Blackburn are a tough Championship club but I didn’t see John-Jules impose himself on them. Maybe still coming back from injury but we desperately need him to play to his full potential.
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But how many would their replacements have contributed eh?
You can't scrub their contributions wthout adding in those of the people who would have played in their places...
BobG
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Godlike 1, don't you realise that the reason the club are not going to splash out the transfer money is the fact as time moves on to the end of March the club are going to be hit by supporters wanting recompensing for unused season tickets.
At least now we will have the majority of the money to do so, if it comes to it which is more likely than not, it will be interesting to see how many other clubs find the funds to refund money if it comes to that, some have already said they will be unwilling or unable to do so.
As far as the team is concerned, the young loan players who came to us as green as grass with no or very little league level experience should be by now better for the experience of the first half of the season and we should be a better side for it.
Read the message and get out of the clubs backside.
They send out conflicting information constantly either through Gavin, the manager at the time or their actions.
They said we did not need to sell Ben and only for the right fee.
Yet they said the biggest to the club was supporters wanting money back at the end of the season. Sooooooo if we don't have money to cover that risk how come we don't need to sell Ben?
We are told that if we are in the play offs then the club by Christmas will back the manager with what he needs. We do just that and its reported in the Free Press thats its a one in one out situation. This is exactly what's happened with the loans so no squad strengthening at all at a time when we will need it most.
Ben goes, fair play if the timing seems right. Yet we're now told the money is needed to cover losses at the end of the season and unlikely to be anyone coming in.
Its all cloak and dagger bullsh*t
I will back the club and manager to the hilt over just about everything but not the inconsistencies and crap PR they do over players. Its simply not good enough.
All the amazing work and effort done through the irwt etc is being quickly lost.
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I know loanees were mentioned in the article and we had six loanees before Christmas because of injuries it was never a problem. But DM said he’s looking at other avenues before loanees. I am disappointed that we are not going to pay a fee for a player. But DM has to work with the finances he has. What is a bit confusing we’ve lost Ben and Copps is injured yet we have two of our young players out on loan. Maybe they would not get in the first team but they would be part of the match day squad. Let’s see what type of magic DM can pull out of the hat to get players we need.
What is it with the obsession with paying a fee for a player??? Do you not see that all it does is strengthen the finances of an opposing club?
Why the obsession with loans, frees and short term contracts?
Because that is all we can afford?
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Why don't we wait while the end of the transfer Window before we start arguing? We've been blessed with the Loans brought in this season, Smith a Welsh international, Richards looks the business at times and as for Sims he's absolutely devastating when he's on it and how Moore's managed to pull that Loan off for 6months is beyond me, it's no wonder other teams a higher up are looking at him so we should just be thankful he's helped us out for half a season, if we get him any longer that would be a real blessing.
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I think part of the problem is Moore puts a negative spin on everything. You can be excited about how we’re playing and where we are in the table and then u listen to one of his interviews and just feel deflated.
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I think part of the problem is Moore puts a negative spin on everything. You can be excited about how we’re playing and where we are in the table and then u listen to one of his interviews and just feel deflated.
Then don't listen?
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Why don't we wait while the end of the transfer Window before we start arguing? We've been blessed with the Loans brought in this season, Smith a Welsh international, Richards looks the business at times and as for Sims he's absolutely devastating when he's on it and how Moore's managed to pull that Loan off for 6months is beyond me, it's no wonder other teams a higher up are looking at him so we should just be thankful he's helped us out for half a season, if we get him any longer that would be a real blessing.
I agree that it is only at the end a full judgement can be made but I'm sure they said somewhere, no more business unless Ben does go.
Yesterday it seemed to be no more business anyway.
I've seen tweets to suggest we are talking to a couple of players. Fingers crossed my frustrations will be damped down by that point.
I can't deny that I struggle to see a long term plan or future with those in charge of the club atm. I really do worry
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I don’t believe DM is be negative he’s being realistic. At the moment discounting our young players who have not played regularly in the first team we have
Seventeen players for squad who are fit with Copps and Gomes. So DM is after numbers to bolster the squad with 28 league still to play plus FaCup. Supporters will want us to continue to be competitive but with a small squad I believe he is worried we will not continue to compete. We need bodies to help out so let’s hope after the recruitment meeting next week we can get some players.
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Next week?
I thought we were trying to get someone in for Saturday?
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Blah blah blah. Omg as usual. There are some idiots
If you think everyone should be 100% in agreement all the time and nobody should have opposing views on what happens with our club, maybe the forum isn't for you?
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I remember after we sold Mills and Wellens in the same close season after our first season in the championship. We were all thinking how can we replace them, and have any chance of staying in the Championship.
We replaced them with a loanee (Shackell) and a free transfer (Oster), the latter most definitely not a like for like. The next season we did even better, with another loan signing helping significantly (Sharp)
I personally think DM is as good as SOD in adapting to personnel changes and formations.
Let’s be patient, supportive, and not too pessimistic
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I think part of the problem is Moore puts a negative spin on everything. You can be excited about how we’re playing and where we are in the table and then u listen to one of his interviews and just feel deflated.
I understand where you're coming from. I think it's hard for any manager to be put on the spot, particularly when asked questions about transfers and finances particularly when you're aware that any false word or phrase could be misinterpreted and put into print.
As we know most managers will try to lkay things with a straight bat and hold cards close to the chest.
Let's be fair, it has been known for former managers to get feisty when asked certain 'silly' questions. I think any of us would find it difficult.
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Every faith in DM. Unfortunately, that’s where my faith ends.
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I think part of the problem is Moore puts a negative spin on everything. You can be excited about how we’re playing and where we are in the table and then u listen to one of his interviews and just feel deflated.
I understand where you're coming from. I think it's hard for any manager to be put on the spot, particularly when asked questions about transfers and finances particularly when you're aware that any false word or phrase could be misinterpreted and put into print.
As we know most managers will try to lkay things with a straight bat and hold cards close to the chest.
Let's be fair, it has been known for former managers to get feisty when asked certain 'silly' questions. I think any of us would find it difficult.
I get the feeling Darren, being admirably principled, is one of thsoe people who very much wants to keep all his promises, and this leads him to want to under-promise and over-deliver.
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It's hard to see how the team can not be weaker if we have lost our 2 best players in Simms and BW.
Neither Sims or Ben are any good in goal, neither are very good centre backs or r/l backs..
Neither are good out n out strikers so not sure who you are comparing them to.......oh you mean we’ve lost 2 good midfield players, im sure Smith ,James,Copps, Gomez, Richards and the other couple or three can be coaxed to add something to the team .....it might be different, but it won’t be worse
Take away the goals and assists from Ben and Sims this season, and see how many goals we're left with.
Take away the other 9 players and see how many goals them 2 would’ve conceded.....very silly analogy...
It's not a silly analogy, and I've been watching Rovers a lot longer than you, and so have seen all of this before.
In 1956, we were near the top of the second tier, and hammering the likes of Stoke, West Ham, and Fulham. Then, in the space of 2 seasons, we lost our 3 best players, Alick, Gregg, and Tindill.
The result was 2 successive relegations. The other 8 players did nothing wrong; it was just the impact of losing so much talent.
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I think part of the problem is Moore puts a negative spin on everything. You can be excited about how we’re playing and where we are in the table and then u listen to one of his interviews and just feel deflated.
Then don't listen?
I could say the same about you and reading my posts.
If I said something was black you’d argue it was white
Boring
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It's hard to see how the team can not be weaker if we have lost our 2 best players in Simms and BW.
Neither Sims or Ben are any good in goal, neither are very good centre backs or r/l backs..
Neither are good out n out strikers so not sure who you are comparing them to.......oh you mean we’ve lost 2 good midfield players, im sure Smith ,James,Copps, Gomez, Richards and the other couple or three can be coaxed to add something to the team .....it might be different, but it won’t be worse
Take away the goals and assists from Ben and Sims this season, and see how many goals we're left with.
Take away the other 9 players and see how many goals them 2 would’ve conceded.....very silly analogy...
It's not a silly analogy, and I've been watching Rovers a lot longer than you, and so have seen all of this before.
In 1956, we were near the top of the second tier, and hammering the likes of Stoke, West Ham, and Fulham. Then, in the space of 2 seasons, we lost our 3 best players, Alick, Gregg, and Tindill.
The result was 2 successive relegations. The other 8 players did nothing wrong; it was just the impact of losing so much talent.
Wasn't the same thing said when Marquis was sold? Have we not scored since then or are we fourth in the league?
We're Donny Rovers, we'll always have to sell players for financial reasons or due to them having ambitions to play at a higher level. You can't just deduct their goals & assists & decide we're doomed every time it happens !
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It's hard to see how the team can not be weaker if we have lost our 2 best players in Simms and BW.
Neither Sims or Ben are any good in goal, neither are very good centre backs or r/l backs..
Neither are good out n out strikers so not sure who you are comparing them to.......oh you mean we’ve lost 2 good midfield players, im sure Smith ,James,Copps, Gomez, Richards and the other couple or three can be coaxed to add something to the team .....it might be different, but it won’t be worse
Take away the goals and assists from Ben and Sims this season, and see how many goals we're left with.
Take away the other 9 players and see how many goals them 2 would’ve conceded.....very silly analogy...
It's not a silly analogy, and I've been watching Rovers a lot longer than you, and so have seen all of this before.
In 1956, we were near the top of the second tier, and hammering the likes of Stoke, West Ham, and Fulham. Then, in the space of 2 seasons, we lost our 3 best players, Alick, Gregg, and Tindill.
The result was 2 successive relegations. The other 8 players did nothing wrong; it was just the impact of losing so much talent.
Wasn't the same thing said when Marquis was sold? Have we not scored since then or are we fourth in the league?
We're Donny Rovers, we'll always have to sell players for financial reasons or due to them having ambitions to play at a higher level. You can't just deduct their goals & assists & decide we're doomed every time it happens !
Nor can you shrug your shoulders and say it won't make any difference.
As I've said in other threads, if we can replace Whiteman and Sims with the same amount of quality, we'll be fine; and I'm not one of those who's against loans.
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Steve we lost Jack Teasdale as well playing for an FA representative side in South Africa where he picked up a bad knee injury.
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I’d rather sell players to allow DRFC to survive. We can build again and go again. The important thing here in these crazy times is we survive. Ben was a great player but we’ve had many of those before and we will again.
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I’d settle for club survival during these odd times. Promotion can wait.
God knows how much the club is being bank rolled at the moment. This will help.
Unless I’m mistaken, rovers are and have always been more of a selling club. We do not have the clout to do anything else.
To buy Whiteman for around 300k and sell for 6 times that (minus sell on clause) is a great bit of business for a small club like rovers. Is this deal not the biggest ever for the club?
As has been eluded to, one man does not make a team.
Today’s result being a good example.
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I’d settle for club survival during these odd times. Promotion can wait.
God knows how much the club is being bank rolled at the moment. This will help.
Unless I’m mistaken, rovers are and have always been more of a selling club. We do not have the clout to do anything else.
To buy Whiteman for around 300k and sell for 6 times that (minus sell on clause) is a great bit of business for a small club like rovers. Is this deal not the biggest ever for the club?
As has been eluded to, one man does not make a team.
Today’s result being a good example.
Think we only paid around £150.000 for Ben.
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I always value the comments on our performance by the opposition fans.
It made me smile to read the Swindon fans' perspective of our team lower down the article. Respect. Long may it last.
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/19017220.john-sheridan-reacts-swindon-towns-2-1-defeat-doncaster-rovers/