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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: GazLaz on February 13, 2021, 04:49:49 pm
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Who the f**k signed this signing off? Watched him for Charlton pretty much every game this season and he’s been shocking. Carrying on that standard today. Touch horrific, body language dreadful, movement non existent, work rate minimal. I’d love to know what the thinking behind it was.
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Still 25% better than Fej playing in that role though.
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Your Talking rubbish GAZLAZ worked hard today
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Though Bogle did well today!
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He held the ball up by and large quite well.
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Can only think it's because he's strong physical hold the ball up better instead of it coming back at us 9 times out of 10. Hopefully in doing so take Defenders away and let Sims and Fej run riot and bag the goals
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Who the f**k signed this signing off? Watched him for Charlton pretty much every game this season and he’s been shocking. Carrying on that standard today. Touch horrific, body language dreadful, movement non existent, work rate minimal. I’d love to know what the thinking behind it was.
Of all the players to select for a character assassination after that defensive shambles you pick the lone striker making his full debut.
Do us a favour, stick to watching Charlton.
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Better than Fej in the same position
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Poster knows nothing about the game.
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I have seen him a lot to and he needs his name changing to Rudolf Nureyev as he is a better Bally dancer
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Your Talking rubbish GAZLAZ worked hard today
ok what did he do that was memorable please tell
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Thought he did OK today, but why was he willing to take on so many efforts from 25-30 yards, but not from 12 yards? Strange that he didn’t grab either of those penalties.
As for Fej - poor on Tuesday but very surprised to see him not feature at all today. Doesn’t seem like he’s DM’s man does it? As soon as he has the opportunity to play someone else up there, he usually does do.
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He was my man of the match. Thought he held the ball up very well and his touch was good. A lot better in that role than Fej.
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Grimsby would be better off with him . I can’t see what Moore sees in him !
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In a couple of months time when everyone’s thinking the same you may as well continue this post as opposed to starting a new one!
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Thought he did OK today, but why was he willing to take on so many efforts from 25-30 yards, but not from 12 yards? Strange that he didn’t grab either of those penalties.
As for Fej - poor on Tuesday but very surprised to see him not feature at all today. Doesn’t seem like he’s DM’s man does it? As soon as he has the opportunity to play someone else up there, he usually does do.
What? it’s 1st game he hasn’t played for yonks. He needed a rest and I think most on this forum would have picked Bogle today.
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I thought he played well. Should’ve took one of the penalties though
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I would be surprised if in a full season he got to double figures, but he is there to hold up the ball and link play, right? Fej is not able to do that job. It looks like Bogle is made for that.
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Thought he looked alright today.
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But why would you drop your top scorer
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The Charlton fans did say the same as the OP but hopefully DM can rebuild his confidence- I thought there were glimpses today that he could be effective for us
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Fej will play every game Moore feels he is fit enough to. On the left though. Front 3 with Sims and Bogle.
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Thought he did OK today, but why was he willing to take on so many efforts from 25-30 yards, but not from 12 yards? Strange that he didn’t grab either of those penalties.
As for Fej - poor on Tuesday but very surprised to see him not feature at all today. Doesn’t seem like he’s DM’s man does it? As soon as he has the opportunity to play someone else up there, he usually does do.
What? it’s 1st game he hasn’t played for yonks. He needed a rest and I think most on this forum would have picked Bogle today.
And how many other strikers have we had available lately when Fej has had a run in the team Campsall?
It happened at the start of the season when TJJ came in. Happened when TJJ then came back from injury, and it’s happened again now with Bogle, even when Fej has been in decent form recently (With the exception of Tuesday).
I just get the sense that DM doesn’t favour Fej as he does seem quick to get him out of the team when other options become available. Feel free to present compelling evidence to the contrary.
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Looked a good player to me
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I’ve not seen him play numerous times as gaz has but I don’t think he stood out as being poor today,
His performance was certainly not any worse than okenabirhie’s over the season.
Our main problem for me is John, he’s just not a left back, can’t get my head around why Amos or James aren’t playing there, we don’t need James in midfield now, get him in his correct position
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I think Bogle will turn out to be a good player for us. Remember when Tom Anderson first played for us - he was shite. I thought Bogle did ok today. Certainly not the worst player on the pitch
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Hard to judge one player after we've just been arseholed 4-1.
I'd like to see fej and bogle playing together
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Who the f**k signed this signing off? Watched him for Charlton pretty much every game this season and he’s been shocking. Carrying on that standard today. Touch horrific, body language dreadful, movement non existent, work rate minimal. I’d love to know what the thinking behind it was.
Is this post in reaction to his performance today or were you just begging for him to start so you could make this thread? His performance today was fine.
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We got absolutely murdered down the right side time after time, surely that needs to be the focus in training
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Maybe he should be judged on his DRFC performances and not Charlton.
In which case he doesn’t deserve a thread singling him out today, it’s clearly premeditated.
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John can often look very good going forward. His defence work is ok but his passing out of defence needs work. Can't be surrendering possession that far back.
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We got absolutely murdered down the right side time after time, surely that needs to be the focus of the in training
We don’t need to focus on the left side we just need to play a capable left back
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Can we really judge any players true ability after this debacle?
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We got absolutely murdered down the right side time after time, surely that needs to be the focus of the in training
As someone said earlier, we know how good McGeady is so surely we could have doubled up on him when he got the ball out wide.
Defensive duties.
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Maybe he should be judged on his DRFC performances and not Charlton.
In which case he doesn’t deserve a thread singling him out today, it’s clearly premeditated.
Absolutely bang on!
Apart from the defensive horror show, there were some half-decent performances today. Bogle, Bostock, Sims and Lokilo all caught the eye in the second half and Richards in the first. Smith was also steady but you just can't gift teams four goals and miss two penalties and complain when you get beat.
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Maybe he should be judged on his DRFC performances and not Charlton.
In which case he doesn’t deserve a thread singling him out today, it’s clearly premeditated.
Has to be a scapegoat mushRTID unfortunately.
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Im a bit taken back by the Cameron John jibes - he was poor today, but it was not his fault we lost, it was the other side of the pitch and central defence, Haliday, Wright and Butler had the worst games they are (hopefully) likely to have, Haliday wasn't that bad, but couldnt live with their player, but im not sure what the excuse for wright and butler is, there was no clever runs, he stood still and didn't even jump. That is not acceptable, and the hard bit for me to understand was they both threw their arms up and pointed fingers at others.
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Just discussed with a friend about Wright and Butler. Didn't look like they'd played together before but, they have had plenty of game time together.
They just seemed to leave it to each other to pick Wyke up.
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What Bogle would give for the kind of service Wyke got
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Who the f**k signed this signing off? Watched him for Charlton pretty much every game this season and he’s been shocking. Carrying on that standard today. Touch horrific, body language dreadful, movement non existent, work rate minimal. I’d love to know what the thinking behind it was.
Out of interest, why are you watching Charlton every week ?
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After our last two games you wouldn’t blame him really.
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It’s Saturday night and a number of our “fans” have decided to take a massive pop at a striker making his debut when our defence couldn’t have marked me today.
Had I not read the whole thread already I reckon I could guess most of the names without looking.
“I’ve watched all the Charlton games this season” have you fcuk! And if you have can you go on there forum and leave the rest of us to our evening of sensible football debate. You clown!
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Im a bit taken back by the Cameron John jibes - he was poor today, but it was not his fault we lost, it was the other side of the pitch and central defence, Haliday, Wright and Butler had the worst games they are (hopefully) likely to have, Haliday wasn't that bad, but couldnt live with their player, but im not sure what the excuse for wright and butler is, there was no clever runs, he stood still and didn't even jump. That is not acceptable, and the hard bit for me to understand was they both threw their arms up and pointed fingers at others.
I completely disagree, John cost us on Tuesday and he’s cost us today.
2nd and 4th goals were mainly down to him
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The pass from Bostock and the control by Bogle that led to our goal were the highlights of the match. Both excellent bits of football.
Today was an utter horror show at the back, but we will put that right. I've seen enough to see that we have a squad that is still going to make us contenders.
Today reminded me of the arseholing that he got at Huddersfield on New years Day 2004. We were humbled that day, after being hammered at Hull a few days before. But we didn't become a poor side overnight then and we haven't now. These weeks happen.
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I thought he was good.
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It’s Saturday night and a number of our “fans” have decided to take a massive pop at a striker making his debut when our defence couldn’t have marked me today.
Had I not read the whole thread already I reckon I could guess most of the names without looking.
“I’ve watched all the Charlton games this season” have you fcuk! And if you have can you go on there forum and leave the rest of us to our evening of sensible football debate. You clown!
Names? You might want to read the thread again, only one person's criticised him in this thread.
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Im a bit taken back by the Cameron John jibes - he was poor today, but it was not his fault we lost, it was the other side of the pitch and central defence, Haliday, Wright and Butler had the worst games they are (hopefully) likely to have, Haliday wasn't that bad, but couldnt live with their player, but im not sure what the excuse for wright and butler is, there was no clever runs, he stood still and didn't even jump. That is not acceptable, and the hard bit for me to understand was they both threw their arms up and pointed fingers at others.
I completely disagree, John cost us on Tuesday and he’s cost us today.
2nd and 4th goals were mainly down to him
Absolute bobbins that the fourth goal was due to John. He was covering a run that a striker made from their right side of the box. The culprit was Butler who was ball watching as Wyke just dropped off 4 yards behind him. John could have only covered Wyke if he'd left the man he was supposed to be marking to have an unmarked run into the 6 yard box.
Go and watch it again.
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It’s Saturday night and a number of our “fans” have decided to take a massive pop at a striker making his debut when our defence couldn’t have marked me today.
Had I not read the whole thread already I reckon I could guess most of the names without looking.
“I’ve watched all the Charlton games this season” have you fcuk! And if you have can you go on there forum and leave the rest of us to our evening of sensible football debate. You clown!
Names? You might want to read the thread again, only one person's criticised him in this thread.
No you might want to read it again... More than 1!
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The line up was negative. I said before the game it would isolate Bogle and was always set to stop McGeady. The fact is it didnt stop McGeady but did isolate Bogle. Though I thought Bogle used the ball really well. Hes a very good player and will do well for us IF the manager gets out of his own way. Reece James is NOT an attack minded player. For god sake why wont he realise? John is NOT a left back hes not good enough technically to carry the ball out, James is! And use the winger to get at the opposition. You have the players to actually play there? And then there is Jon Taylor....... somebody tell me a good game hes had this season?
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Who the f**k signed this signing off? Watched him for Charlton pretty much every game this season and he’s been shocking. Carrying on that standard today. Touch horrific, body language dreadful, movement non existent, work rate minimal. I’d love to know what the thinking behind it was.
Out of interest, why are you watching Charlton every week ?
Watch just about every L1 game every week for work purposes.
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I don’t think he should be really judged on today having just had COVID etc. However those saying he did well. What did he do well?
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Im a bit taken back by the Cameron John jibes - he was poor today, but it was not his fault we lost, it was the other side of the pitch and central defence, Haliday, Wright and Butler had the worst games they are (hopefully) likely to have, Haliday wasn't that bad, but couldnt live with their player, but im not sure what the excuse for wright and butler is, there was no clever runs, he stood still and didn't even jump. That is not acceptable, and the hard bit for me to understand was they both threw their arms up and pointed fingers at others.
I completely disagree, John cost us on Tuesday and he’s cost us today.
2nd and 4th goals were mainly down to him
Absolute bobbins that the fourth goal was due to John. He was covering a run that a striker made from their right side of the box. The culprit was Butler who was ball watching as Wyke just dropped off 4 yards behind him. John could have only covered Wyke if he'd left the man he was supposed to be marking to have an unmarked run into the 6 yard box.
Go and watch it again.
He headed it out of our goalkeepers hands straight into the back of the net, of course it was his fault.
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Butler was ball watching and lost Wyke though tbf
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The lad has just come back after COVID and your slating him already - Christ, give me strength - I didn’t see the game today because of work so can’t comment but give the lad a chance
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Butler lost his man granted but without John it’s a simple catch for balcombe
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What job do u do Gaz for work purposes mate watching league 1 games ?
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Dickos.
You're saying a defender, 2 yards off the line, who has an effort on target aimed 12 inches from his head from point-blank range, should duck out the way and expect the keeper to catch it?
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all the back line has to take it on the chin tonight they were poor
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I thought Bogle played well today & showed glimpses of what he's about, he held the ball up well & had decent control, certainly better than Fej in that position of loan striker, unfortunately he was isolated. We now have the personnel to take the game to teams & should use them, Sims on the right, Fej on the left coming in supporting Bogle, & Smith in a more advanced midfield role to link up play.
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I reckon Fej has to play off Bogle, probably in a wide position.
I understand that Fej might have needed a rest today but he has to be back in the team on Wednesday.
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I reckon Fej has to play off Bogle, probably in a wide position.
I understand that Fej might have needed a rest today but he has to be back in the team on Wednesday.
Team for Tuesday:
Balcombe
Halliday
Wright
Butler
James
Smith
Bostock
Sims
Richards
Fej
Bogle
What do you think, mate?
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The pass from Bostock and the control by Bogle that led to our goal were the highlights of the match. Both excellent bits of football.
Today was an utter horror show at the back, but we will put that right. I've seen enough to see that we have a squad that is still going to make us contenders.
Today reminded me of the arseholing that he got at Huddersfield on New years Day 2004. We were humbled that day, after being hammered at Hull a few days before. But we didn't become a poor side overnight then and we haven't now. These weeks happen.
That was brilliant vision and execution.
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Dickos.
You're saying a defender, 2 yards off the line, who has an effort on target aimed 12 inches from his head from point-blank range, should duck out the way and expect the keeper to catch it?
Billy ive no idea if you’ve played the game or not but a comment like that sways me to the conclusion you haven’t.
It was much easier for him to not head the ball than it was to head it.
You need to watch it again, your distances are all way out
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I reckon Fej has to play off Bogle, probably in a wide position.
I understand that Fej might have needed a rest today but he has to be back in the team on Wednesday.
Team for Tuesday:
Balcombe
Halliday
Wright
Butler
James
Smith
Bostock
Sims
Richards
Fej
Bogle
What do you think, mate?
Three points for us.
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There is one tackle in that front six. Can’t rely on Smith to be the only player able to win the ball back.
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I reckon Fej has to play off Bogle, probably in a wide position.
I understand that Fej might have needed a rest today but he has to be back in the team on Wednesday.
Team for Tuesday:
Balcombe
Halliday
Wright
Butler
James
Smith
Bostock
Sims
Richards
Fej
Bogle
What do you think, mate?
Three points for us.
I’ll just pull you up on something you have posted on another thread
Yep, agreed.
Plenty of people getting ahead of themselves.
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I reckon Fej has to play off Bogle, probably in a wide position.
I understand that Fej might have needed a rest today but he has to be back in the team on Wednesday.
Team for Tuesday:
Balcombe
Halliday
Wright
Butler
James
Smith
Bostock
Sims
Richards
Fej
Bogle
What do you think, mate?
Three points for us.
I’ll just pull you up on something you have posted on another thread
Yep, agreed.
Plenty of people getting ahead of themselves.
God Filo, you really are getting pathetic with this obsession to jump on my posts.
You will be writing essays soon and quoting Napoleon to me.
Give it a rest.
SS asked me what I thought about that team selection he posted.
My response doesn’t really go on to talk about the next twenty odd matches.
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I'd bring in Anderson if able to play for Butler
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How long a rest period does Tom have to take before he is allowed to play again, assuming he did have concussion of course.
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Moore has confirmed Anderson won’t be playing
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Dickos.
John has no idea what position Balcombe is in when Wyke powered that header in. The ball was going within a couple of feet of John's head. He's only 2 yards off the line. Any defender in the world is going to throw whatever part of their body at the ball.
To blame John for the goal is ludicrous. You are expecting him, with his back to goal, to know Balcombe's position and to choose to leave the ball in maybe a fifth of a second between Wyke heading the ball, and the ball reaching him. Imagine the reaction if he'd stood and watched it go past him, and Balcombe hadn't been behind him.
The primary culprit for that goal was the person marking Wyke, Butler, who switched off as Wyke dropped off him into 5 yards of space.
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There is a truly harrowing image of Butler turning round and staring at Wyke in the face like someone gawping at a circus freak show, as Wyke heads it goalwards.
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I'd bring in Anderson if able to play for Butler
Despite the pair of them forming our best defence this season?
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Moore has confirmed Anderson won’t be playing
Is that since the games been moved to Wednesday?
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To be fair the game might still be played on Tuesday if Lincoln v Accrington is put off again by the weather on Sunday.
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Moore has confirmed Anderson won’t be playing
Is that since the games been moved to Wednesday?
Yeah after the game today on radio Sheffield
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I reckon Fej has to play off Bogle, probably in a wide position.
I understand that Fej might have needed a rest today but he has to be back in the team on Wednesday.
Team for Tuesday:
Balcombe
Halliday
Wright
Butler
James
Smith
John
Sims
Richards
Fej
Bogle
What do you think, mate?
Bostock is fit enough ?
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We got absolutely murdered down the right side time after time, surely that needs to be the focus in training
We don’t have a right back, .....
We have Halliday playing on that side, and he isn’t a DEFENDER, he does other things quite well and I can’t knock his effort, but he rarely defends with a thumping tackle,
It’s like DM has taken the hard mentality of defending away and replaced it with a “ let’s all go attack” one, which is all well and good if you have a good footballing midfield and attack,.......but we don’t!
You only have to look at the teams that play us off the park who incidentally seam to have 8-9 good footballers, whereas we have little pockets of brilliance and from a few nw and then....
I really want this team to find itself again, to find that can do mentality that has been absent of late...
to much meddling is affecting the mental attitude of certain players
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We got absolutely murdered down the right side time after time, surely that needs to be the focus in training
We don’t have a right back, .....
We have Halliday playing on that side, and he isn’t a DEFENDER, he does other things quite well and I can’t knock his effort, but he rarely defends with a thumping tackle,
It’s like DM has taken the hard mentality of defending away and replaced it with a “ let’s all go attack” one, which is all well and good if you have a good footballing midfield and attack,.......but we don’t!
You only have to look at the teams that play us off the park who incidentally seam to have 8-9 good footballers, whereas we have little pockets of brilliance and from a few nw and then....
I really want this team to find itself again, to find that can do mentality that has been absent of late...
to much meddling is affecting the mental attitude of certain players
Not sure we've got an attacking mentality right now! we've won so many games by surrendering possession and defending our box well. If anything the problem in most matches is our forward is very isolated and the ball just comes back again and again.
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Two points.
1. Brad Halliday is a defender who’s been playing a bit in midfield, thumping tackles went out with Stuart Pearce the game has moved on.
2. No one tracked back and helped him against the highest paid and best player in League 1.
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John has been largely solid through our amazing run, offering lots at both ends of the pitch. I can't fathom why people are slating him for not being a left back for a game when most of our issues came from Halliday getting murdered by McGeady time and again down the right, and our CB pairing giving Wyke half of Sunderland to roam around in. John wasn't great but there were far, far worse offenders.
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Four times Whyke got between our CB’s and four times he scored, Halliday can’t be blamed for the first one, that came from a corner. The problem on Saturday was two fold, Halliday not getting any help, and Wright and Butler not learning from previous goals. Poor positioning? Or poor communication? Whichever, it needs sorting, it’s not like they’ve never played together before
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Four times Whyke got between our CB’s and four times he scored, Halliday can’t be blamed for the first one, that came from a corner. The problem on Saturday was two fold, Halliday not getting any help, and Wright and Butler not learning from previous goals. Poor positioning? Or poor communication? Whichever, it needs sorting, it’s not like they’ve never played together before
We can agree on football stuff then Filo.
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Four times Whyke got between our CB’s and four times he scored, Halliday can’t be blamed for the first one, that came from a corner. The problem on Saturday was two fold, Halliday not getting any help, and Wright and Butler not learning from previous goals. Poor positioning? Or poor communication? Whichever, it needs sorting, it’s not like they’ve never played together before
Should point out I don't really blame Halliday either although I can see how my post came across that way, as you say he didn't get any help against a player who, on his day, is the best in the division by some margin. And it was his day. McGeady just had the beating of him one on one, Brad was left in that situation far too often.
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James was to blame for the one where he looked offside he just wasn’t concentrating,
The second goal was down to John being far too lightweight,
The first, third and 4th goals done happen if Anderson is playing no way
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The first goal doesn't happen if the officials are switched on. Balcombe was clearly obstructed from coming for the ball. It was so obvious, I wasn't concerned when the ball hit the back of the net because I was certain it was going to be disallowed.
Awful miss by the officials. It might well have been a very different game if they'd spotted that.
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They did the same tactic a couple of years back at the Keepmoat (I think it was them). Every corner and free Kick our keeper (not even sure who it was at the time) was shoved around just as the kick was taken - very obvious too, stupidly the keeper reacted twice and the ball went past him, without him even knowing. Exactly like Balcombe. I wouldn't mind but this is right in line of the lino, and they hardly ever pull it up.
I hate saying this, but I think the only way to make sure it is dealt with by the officials is to fall over when shoved. Ye gods I'm off for a shower, cant believe I've said it. :thumbdown:
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Shaggy/Shabby - to say Halliday doesn't defend or put tackles in is incorrect, he routinely has one of the best tackling rates of any player in League One. It's a key attribute of his play.
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Halliday put in a tremendous sliding tackle on McGeady inside the penalty box. He won the ball and got to his feet to come away with the ball whilst McGeady was stamping his feet like a child for having been thwarted.
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They did the same tactic a couple of years back at the Keepmoat (I think it was them). Every corner and free Kick our keeper (not even sure who it was at the time) was shoved around just as the kick was taken - very obvious too, stupidly the keeper reacted twice and the ball went past him, without him even knowing. Exactly like Balcombe. I wouldn't mind but this is right in line of the lino, and they hardly ever pull it up.
I hate saying this, but I think the only way to make sure it is dealt with by the officials is to fall over when shoved. Ye gods I'm off for a shower, cant believe I've said it. :thumbdown:
I remember that and i think the keeper was Lawlor.
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John has been largely solid through our amazing run, offering lots at both ends of the pitch. I can't fathom why people are slating him for not being a left back for a game when most of our issues came from Halliday getting murdered by McGeady time and again down the right, and our CB pairing giving Wyke half of Sunderland to roam around in. John wasn't great but there were far, far worse offenders.
Some good points there, MM. However, I think most people are mainly concerned that there's a much better left back in the squad than John, and DM just doesn't seem to get it.
The situation with Halliday's different. We don't have another natural right back in the squad, other than young Seaman. Wright can play there, but he wouldn't have had the pace to cope with McGeady.
DM should have issued orders to double up on McGeady as soon as the first goal went in.
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John has been largely solid through our amazing run, offering lots at both ends of the pitch. I can't fathom why people are slating him for not being a left back for a game when most of our issues came from Halliday getting murdered by McGeady time and again down the right, and our CB pairing giving Wyke half of Sunderland to roam around in. John wasn't great but there were far, far worse offenders.
Some good points there, MM. However, I think most people are mainly concerned that there's a much better left back in the squad than John, and DM just doesn't seem to get it.
The situation with Halliday's different. We don't have another natural right back in the squad, other than young Seaman. Wright can play there, but he wouldn't have had the pace to cope with McGeady.
DM should have issued orders to double up on McGeady as soon as the first goal went in.
Players can’t think for themselves Taylor and Or Smith should have thought about doubling up themselves. Same as James or Gomes should have thought of doubling up with John to help him out if required. Mind he still be a poor fullback in your eyes. Dickos said John was to blame for the first goal and James the second so both bad as each other in that scenario.
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John has been largely solid through our amazing run, offering lots at both ends of the pitch. I can't fathom why people are slating him for not being a left back for a game when most of our issues came from Halliday getting murdered by McGeady time and again down the right, and our CB pairing giving Wyke half of Sunderland to roam around in. John wasn't great but there were far, far worse offenders.
Some good points there, MM. However, I think most people are mainly concerned that there's a much better left back in the squad than John, and DM just doesn't seem to get it.
The situation with Halliday's different. We don't have another natural right back in the squad, other than young Seaman. Wright can play there, but he wouldn't have had the pace to cope with McGeady.
DM should have issued orders to double up on McGeady as soon as the first goal went in.
Players can’t think for themselves Taylor and Or Smith should have thought about doubling up themselves. Same as James or Gomes should have thought of doubling up with John to help him out if required. Mind he still be a poor fullback in your eyes. Dickos said John was to blame for the first goal and James the second so both bad as each other in that scenario.
That must mean that Halliday is only half as bad as some people think he is then.
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None of them are bad players they all have different attributes. Confidence is a big thing and the players confidence has taken a kicking in the last two games. Let’s hope they can get it together on Wednesday all supporters have different opinions does make any one a bad supporter. So we all go again on Wednesday with the players chosen.
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Agree none are bad players (all very good for this division really) argument has to be about application imo. We've been on a great run but there's always ways to improve. Not picking out McGeady for doubling up on before the start of the game is criminal really.
DM is normally really good at picking a team to neutralise the opposition threat so I was surprised by what happened
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John has been largely solid through our amazing run, offering lots at both ends of the pitch. I can't fathom why people are slating him for not being a left back for a game when most of our issues came from Halliday getting murdered by McGeady time and again down the right, and our CB pairing giving Wyke half of Sunderland to roam around in. John wasn't great but there were far, far worse offenders.
Some good points there, MM. However, I think most people are mainly concerned that there's a much better left back in the squad than John, and DM just doesn't seem to get it.
The situation with Halliday's different. We don't have another natural right back in the squad, other than young Seaman. Wright can play there, but he wouldn't have had the pace to cope with McGeady.
DM should have issued orders to double up on McGeady as soon as the first goal went in.
Players can’t think for themselves Taylor and Or Smith should have thought about doubling up themselves. Same as James or Gomes should have thought of doubling up with John to help him out if required. Mind he still be a poor fullback in your eyes. Dickos said John was to blame for the first goal and James the second so both bad as each other in that scenario.
That must mean that Halliday is only half as bad as some people think he is then.
Or maybe half as good as you think he is ;)
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Thought he did OK today, but why was he willing to take on so many efforts from 25-30 yards, but not from 12 yards? Strange that he didn’t grab either of those penalties.
As for Fej - poor on Tuesday but very surprised to see him not feature at all today. Doesn’t seem like he’s DM’s man does it? As soon as he has the opportunity to play someone else up there, he usually does do.
What? it’s 1st game he hasn’t played for yonks. He needed a rest and I think most on this forum would have picked Bogle today.
And how many other strikers have we had available lately when Fej has had a run in the team Campsall?
It happened at the start of the season when TJJ came in. Happened when TJJ then came back from injury, and it’s happened again now with Bogle, even when Fej has been in decent form recently (With the exception of Tuesday).
I just get the sense that DM doesn’t favour Fej as he does seem quick to get him out of the team when other options become available. Feel free to present compelling evidence to the contrary.
Your entitled to that opinion but personally I think you are adding 2+2 and making 5 with that assumption.
Just my opinion.
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Thought he did OK today, but why was he willing to take on so many efforts from 25-30 yards, but not from 12 yards? Strange that he didn’t grab either of those penalties.
As for Fej - poor on Tuesday but very surprised to see him not feature at all today. Doesn’t seem like he’s DM’s man does it? As soon as he has the opportunity to play someone else up there, he usually does do.
What? it’s 1st game he hasn’t played for yonks. He needed a rest and I think most on this forum would have picked Bogle today.
And how many other strikers have we had available lately when Fej has had a run in the team Campsall?
It happened at the start of the season when TJJ came in. Happened when TJJ then came back from injury, and it’s happened again now with Bogle, even when Fej has been in decent form recently (With the exception of Tuesday).
I just get the sense that DM doesn’t favour Fej as he does seem quick to get him out of the team when other options become available. Feel free to present compelling evidence to the contrary.
Your entitled to that opinion but personally I think you are adding 2+2 and making 5 with that assumption.
Just my opinion.
Pib if you watch Okenabirhie you’ll have seen he’s not at his best playing with his back to goal. So playing Bogle and Okenabirhie out wide is the better proposition that’s where he scored all his goals at Shrewsbury. He looks better when he’s facing the goal. So it’s about getting the best out of both players.
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Have we seen enough to make judgement on him yet?
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Have we seen enough to make judgement on him yet?
He's crap. Unfortunately we've got to see more for another season.
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Expected him to be a good signing but now of the opinion he is a total waste of a team place.shows very little ability and contributes very little. Seems to be conspicuous by his absence in game.
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Had the opportunity 2nd half to just stick a leg out and score. Instead, he just put his hands to his head. Waste of space, waste of a wage!
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Offers the team very little, what did DM see in him?
COYR
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We love to hate players don’t we - a fit Bogle will be a real boon next season
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Offers the team very little, what did DM see in him?
COYR
This is what happens when you let the manager sign players based on things other than footballing reasons.
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I just hope Darren Moore still believes in Bogle and Bostock and takes them off our hands in the summer.
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So when we are told the talent manager picks the players and puts to the CEO and manager the good ones are his choice and the bad ones are DM.
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Clean slate for the likes of Bostock and Bogle from me, I’ll give them 5 games next season... Who knows a new gaffer might be able to get more from them
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I think, if I’m being honest, we should give all the players that are still with us a fair crack of the whip next season. There are more than just Bogle and Bostock that have under performed since the turn of the year.
COYR
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So when we are told the talent manager picks the players and puts to the CEO and manager the good ones are his choice and the bad ones are DM.
We will never really know how these things work will we. If Moore had the final say and he had bias in his selections due to the fact the players had similar beliefs to himself, it was wrong.
I think Bostock has shown quality at times, he’s shown signs of being a slight luxury player that may be better in a team that’s the dominant force in games.
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Offers the team very little, what did DM see in him?
COYR
This is what happens when you let the manager sign players based on things other than footballing reasons.
Is it because he is black? Is that where you’re going here?
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Offers the team very little, what did DM see in him?
COYR
This is what happens when you let the manager sign players based on things other than footballing reasons.
Is it because he is black? Is that where you’re going here?
I don’t think that is the point Gaz is making, in fact I’m sure it’s not
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Offers the team very little, what did DM see in him?
COYR
This is what happens when you let the manager sign players based on things other than footballing reasons.
Is it because he is black? Is that where you’re going here?
Give over.
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Offers the team very little, what did DM see in him?
COYR
This is what happens when you let the manager sign players based on things other than footballing reasons.
Is it because he is black? Is that where you’re going here?
I don’t think that is the point Gaz is making, in fact I’m sure it’s not
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He is complete garbage. all he had do do in the second half when the ball rolled along in front of goal, all he he had to do is stick his foot out and in the net it goes, but all he did was stand there and put his hands on his head
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Offers the team very little, what did DM see in him?
COYR
This is what happens when you let the manager sign players based on things other than footballing reasons.
Is it because he is black? Is that where you’re going here?
Give over.
I meant why he was signed by DM. Offers the team very little, what did DM see in him?
COYR
This is what happens when you let the manager sign players based on things other than footballing reasons.
Is it because he is black? Is that where you’re going here?
Give over.
I wasn’t questioning you Gaz. What would a non-footballing reason be?
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I think we are alluding to the Christian beliefs
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Glosterred
"I think, if I’m being honest, we should give all the players that are still with us a fair crack of the whip next season. There are more than just Bogle and Bostock that have under performed since the turn of the year"
Exactly that.
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I think we are alluding to the Christian beliefs
Ah well that explains it. Thank you.
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That header in the second half tonight.
Copps put it up on a sixpence for him and Bogle's header was so bad it ended up out of the same postcode as the Blackpool net.
He's got to be shipped off in the summer. One of the worst forwards I've ever seen at Rovers and I've seen some stinkers in the last 20 odd years.
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Should have stuck a Blackpool donkey on instead would have been more of a nuisance for the Blackpool defence.
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Bogle has struggled to make a real impact since joining us.
Tonight he was exceptionably bad.
A move away might do him good.
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Sunday can’t come too soon , if only to put this team out of its misery! So much promised , so much denied and then so much crap !! Roll on 21/22 .
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That header in the second half tonight.
Copps put it up on a sixpence for him and Bogle's header was so bad it ended up out of the same postcode as the Blackpool net.
He's got to be shipped off in the summer. One of the worst forwards I've ever seen at Rovers and I've seen some stinkers in the last 20 odd years.
Head like a 50p piece
COYR
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Glosterred
"I think, if I’m being honest, we should give all the players that are still with us a fair crack of the whip next season. There are more than just Bogle and Bostock that have under performed since the turn of the year"
Exactly that.
I think we ought to credit whoever is going to come in as manager with enough nous to know crap when he sees it and let them have the chance to address it before the transfer window closes. If we give players the new manager has no faith in 'a fair crack of the whip', we could be waving goodbye to next season before we start it, and be stuck with players we don't need.
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Henshall got a move to Villa on the back of identifying him. Both frauds.
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Maybe he will recomend them to Villa.
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We played with ten men most of the game and bogle contributed nothing. He was hardly mentioned by the commentator and took up very little screen time because he did not compete at all.the little th was sen he was ambling around at snails pace. God help us if he is part of our strike force next season. :thumbdown:
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Missing words That he was seen.
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Glosterred
"I think, if I’m being honest, we should give all the players that are still with us a fair crack of the whip next season. There are more than just Bogle and Bostock that have under performed since the turn of the year"
Exactly that.
I think we ought to credit whoever is going to come in as manager with enough nous to know crap when he sees it and let them have the chance to address it before the transfer window closes. If we give players the new manager has no faith in 'a fair crack of the whip', we could be waving goodbye to next season before we start it, and be stuck with players we don't need.
I’m not saying anything about the new manager, I’m purely coming from a fan’s perspective. If we get on the players back from minute one of game one because of what they have done this season would be both wrong and unhelpful to the team. The manager will, at least I hope, have the wherewithal to know his team by then to understand who is worth playing and who isn’t.
COYR
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On the recruitment of him, and others, it’s awkward really. The manager wants a player we can afford. Does the club say no because the talent spotter hasn’t picked the player out or do they let the manager chose players he knows meaning that talent spotter role is a waste of time anyway??
Of our signings I’d say only the loanees are AH players and all the permanent ones smack of DM’s mates.
Looking at our position and performance of players signed by DM (not sure how long AH was with us? After GM?) the signings we’ve made have by and large been poor. Good case to make for DM and AH getting bigger jobs without any evidence of success at this level
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I'd rather take Bingham and Thomas back he is absolutely garbage and a fraud. Stick my dog as next talent identifier if Bogle is what we come up with.
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On the recruitment of him, and others, it’s awkward really. The manager wants a player we can afford. Does the club say no because the talent spotter hasn’t picked the player out or do they let the manager chose players he knows meaning that talent spotter role is a waste of time anyway??
Of our signings I’d say only the loanees are AH players and all the permanent ones smack of DM’s mates.
Looking at our position and performance of players signed by DM (not sure how long AH was with us? After GM?) the signings we’ve made have by and large been poor. Good case to make for DM and AH getting bigger jobs without any evidence of success at this level
If there’s a system in place where the manager can sign his mates then the club is f**ked. I’ve mentioned in treads before I think the whole infrastructure and process on the recruitment side is wrong, that just emphasises it.
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On the recruitment of him, and others, it’s awkward really. The manager wants a player we can afford. Does the club say no because the talent spotter hasn’t picked the player out or do they let the manager chose players he knows meaning that talent spotter role is a waste of time anyway??
Of our signings I’d say only the loanees are AH players and all the permanent ones smack of DM’s mates.
Looking at our position and performance of players signed by DM (not sure how long AH was with us? After GM?) the signings we’ve made have by and large been poor. Good case to make for DM and AH getting bigger jobs without any evidence of success at this level
If there’s a system in place where the manager can sign his mates then the club is f**ked. I’ve mentioned in treads before I think the whole infrastructure and process on the recruitment side is wrong, that just emphasises it.
Agree obviously we don’t know but on the outside that’s how it looks and goes some way to explain the lack of interest since DM had his head turned.
Put it this way if AH signed the players on the pitch these last few months (and worse the players who cant get a game) how the hell has he got a job at Villa!! The only other person who could be responsible is DM
That said Shrewsbury haven’t exactly had lots of talent they’ve sold on or used to finish high up in the league so maybe it is AH who signed the players. No evidence he’s got a good eye for a player other than taking highly rated academy lads but I think we had that down pretty well without any talent spotter
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Moore had a shocking record with strikers.
Sterling and Tulloch played literally minutes then never seen again. John-Jules injured most of season. Bogle. Kwame Thomas and Rakish Bingham. What a line up!
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Listing them all together like that makes you realise just how bad Moore’s recruitment of strikers was - JJ apart ( though he looked awful tonight).
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Moores recruiting was poor. He made very average players better though.
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Of the players we brought in under his tenure, the only ones that I have thought wow, these guys are really excellent - Sims in his first spell, Smith in the middle part of his loan and Dieng after he got first few games out of the way. Every other player has either flattered to deceive or has been so sporadic that they offer no value. It is slim pickings. The Villa lad Ramsey looked good but barely played for us.
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Why isn’t Fej in the list of strikers recruited by Moore? He’s done alright, and should really have justified more game time. And Niall Ennis wasn’t bad either.
Can’t just list the flops.
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Why isn’t Fej in the list of strikers recruited by Moore? He’s done alright, and should really have justified more game time. And Niall Ennis wasn’t bad either.
Can’t just list the flops.
He isn't listed as I listed the shockers, as the opening line suggested.
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Ed Williams is one of the biggest shockers. Why did we give him a 2 year deal?
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He doesn’t need to go anywhere just sit in the stands and pinch the wage he is doing now
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Why isn’t Fej in the list of strikers recruited by Moore? He’s done alright, and should really have justified more game time. And Niall Ennis wasn’t bad either.
Can’t just list the flops.
He isn't listed as I listed the shockers, as the open line suggested.
how can’t you list Bogle as a shocker he to me is and always will be the ultimate
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That header in the second half tonight.
Copps put it up on a sixpence for him and Bogle's header was so bad it ended up out of the same postcode as the Blackpool net.
He's got to be shipped off in the summer. One of the worst forwards I've ever seen at Rovers and I've seen some stinkers in the last 20 odd years.
Laughed out loud.
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I don't think a lot of him, BUT, I seriously don't think he has been anywhere near match fit since he joined us.
If he has been god help us next season.
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Moore had a shocking record with strikers.
Sterling and Tulloch played literally minutes then never seen again. John-Jules injured most of season. Bogle. Kwame Thomas and Rakish Bingham. What a line up!
Why did you miss Ennis off? yeah he looked effective but he didn't score a ton more than Thomas and played a lot more games.
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Of the players we brought in under his tenure, the only ones that I have thought wow, these guys are really excellent - Sims in his first spell, Smith in the middle part of his loan and Dieng after he got first few games out of the way. Every other player has either flattered to deceive or has been so sporadic that they offer no value. It is slim pickings. The Villa lad Ramsey looked good but barely played for us.
Sheaf?
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Truly hope we can get rid of this donkey in summer. What an utter waste of wages he is.
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Of the players we brought in under his tenure, the only ones that I have thought wow, these guys are really excellent - Sims in his first spell, Smith in the middle part of his loan and Dieng after he got first few games out of the way. Every other player has either flattered to deceive or has been so sporadic that they offer no value. It is slim pickings. The Villa lad Ramsey looked good but barely played for us.
Sheaf?
Deal for sheaf was done by mCcann.
There were apparently a number of deals done by mccann but Moore cancelled most of them but kept sheaf
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Of the players we brought in under his tenure, the only ones that I have thought wow, these guys are really excellent - Sims in his first spell, Smith in the middle part of his loan and Dieng after he got first few games out of the way. Every other player has either flattered to deceive or has been so sporadic that they offer no value. It is slim pickings. The Villa lad Ramsey looked good but barely played for us.
Sheaf?
Deal for sheaf was done by mCcann.
There were apparently a number of deals done by mccann but Moore cancelled most of them but kept sheaf
Taylor too.
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Does DM get the blame or is it not AH’s fault? Personally a lot of the signings feel like they were DM’s but then we have to ask was AH a waste of wages?
Good to learn for future if we plan on having a talent identification person. Either AH wasn’t good (so we need to get someone much better) or the manager had too much say meaning the role was pointless.
Be interesting to know how many signings we made were recommended by AH as oppose to DM.
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You need players to sign for the club not the manager.
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That’s ok Gaz but that does not happen, as it’s the manager that spells it out to them what the club is about and has to sell it to them
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That’s ok Gaz but that does not happen, as it’s the manager that spells it out to them what the club is about and has to sell it to them
Not at every club. Only clubs that still think it’s 1995.
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Im not sure Henshall had much input (if any) in a few of the signings, they were either from the same agent, or belief background - I don't have a problem with any of that (who cares?) as long as they are good enough, unfortunately some haven't been anywhere near.
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Ok that’s how it almost works at a club
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I think under sod we had quite a few players who signed for us because of him
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Nowhere near good enough I’m afraid, I’ve scored the same amount of goals at the keepmoat as he has.
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Moore had a shocking record with strikers.
Sterling and Tulloch played literally minutes then never seen again. John-Jules injured most of season. Bogle. Kwame Thomas and Rakish Bingham. What a line up!
Also dont forget he released Watters.
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Moore had a shocking record with strikers.
Sterling and Tulloch played literally minutes then never seen again. John-Jules injured most of season. Bogle. Kwame Thomas and Rakish Bingham. What a line up!
Also dont forget he released Watters.
Yes he was released as the club could not afford a U23 side. He could have been retained but his record last season was not brilliant.
Chris to get a good striker majority of times you need the funds to buy and wages. DF got JM on a free but he had score goals at league level. We got funds for JM and those were spread about to get in different players. As a talent manager and football manager you can only shop in the window you can afford.
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It wasn’t just Marquis money Moore should’ve had to spend, quite a few high earners left at a similar time.
And we didn’t replace them,
Gavin said it was moores decision to not spend all the money available and also his decision to get all the youngsters on loan.
Hopefully the new manager will do things differently
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I'm hesitant to criticise the recruitment of DM too much. He turned us into the best team in the division until January. Signed Fej who has done well in a struggling side not playing to his strengths for half a season. Brought in Richards who has probably been our best player this season, frustrating as he might be at times. Bostock and Bogle haven't pulled up any trees here yet, but let's be honest, what chance have they had? The system and formation seems to change every week and there's no midfield structure to speak of to move the ball forward, or to press and win it back. I'd be willing to give both a chance under a more experienced manager next season, they're on a hiding to nothing at the minute as nobody seems to know what their role is.
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I'm hesitant to criticise the recruitment of DM too much. He turned us into the best team in the division until January. Signed Fej who has done well in a struggling side not playing to his strengths for half a season. Brought in Richards who has probably been our best player this season, frustrating as he might be at times. Bostock and Bogle haven't pulled up any trees here yet, but let's be honest, what chance have they had? The system and formation seems to change every week and there's no midfield structure to speak of to move the ball forward, or to press and win it back. I'd be willing to give both a chance under a more experienced manager next season, they're on a hiding to nothing at the minute as nobody seems to know what their role is.
it’s not a tree he has not pulled up it’s not even a daffodil he can’t pull up
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I blame the agents. All of em. Football would be a much better place without them. Just like Estate Agents, it’s all about the sell.
Estate Agents sell houses without too much care for what they are, issues with them etc.
Football Agents are no different. Just my opinion of course.
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Who the f**k signed this signing off? Watched him for Charlton pretty much every game this season and he’s been shocking. Carrying on that standard today. Touch horrific, body language dreadful, movement non existent, work rate minimal. I’d love to know what the thinking behind it was.
Well, don’t say you weren’t warned.
All clubs make mistakes in the transfer market. It’s part of the business. We shouldn’t be making mistakes as big as this though. The recruitment system being as it is there’s no accountability for costly errors like this.
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Well with hindsight it’s come back to bite us on the arse. I really hoped he could turn it round… silly me
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Gavin said it was moores decision to not spend all the money available and also his decision to get all the youngsters on loan.
Hopefully the new manager will do things differently
We’re a bit wiser now, though! It was Gavin that also said DM had a 23% lower budget last season and that’s why DM chose the loan route.
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Let him train with the U18's, he'll soon want to leave the club.
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Let’s not forget, bogles agent, Jake Speight, played with DM at Bradford. They will be mates.
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Let’s not forget, bogles agent, Jake Speight, played with DM at Bradford. They will be mates.
The same Jake Speight that was jailed for battering his then girlfriend
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Let’s not forget, bogles agent, Jake Speight, played with DM at Bradford. They will be mates.
The same Jake Speight that was jailed for battering his then girlfriend
Oh yes. Bogles agent is a thug.
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Let’s not forget, bogles agent, Jake Speight, played with DM at Bradford. They will be mates.
DM as in Darren Moore? Moore played for Bradford from 1997 to 1999, so I'm struggling to see how he'd be friends with Speight because of this, since Speight was 12 years old at the time and played for Bradford in 2010-11.
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Let’s not forget, bogles agent, Jake Speight, played with DM at Bradford. They will be mates.
DM as in Darren Moore? Moore played for Bradford from 1997 to 1999, so I'm struggling to see how he'd be friends with Speight because of this, since Speight was 12 years old at the time and played for Bradford in 2010-11.
Don't let things like facts get in the way!
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My bad. Senior moment.
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I said on here when we all heated about Bogle being garbage, but no one believed me and slated me for it. I didn’t want to say it but I TOLD YOU SO I didn’t want to be smug about it but some way I can’t help it a little bit
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It always amazes me when clubs bring in a sporting director (or his equivalent) and then let the manager have carte blanch to do as they see fit, if this was the case then what's the point of the appointment? If the overall strategy was to select on other than pure footballing prowess then this needs an internal investigation at the club to ensure we have processors in place to ensure we don't have this debacle again. As we now look on with hindsight some signings were progressive, others were worryingly not.
We will never know but after the appontment of DM if it was his intention to stay here and build some sort of legacy that amounted to a bit more then the eventual pitiful effort, before he was tapped up or was he always the chancer looking for the next bigger oppertunity?
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I think the latter and a liar
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The warning signs when we signed Bogle we’re coming loud and clear from the Charlton fans. DM thought he could turn his career around and RW also wanted to give him a chance. I think a lot of us hoped that they would be successful but it hasn’t happened and we just have to move on. I feel for the guy tbh but I hope we can agree a ‘graceful’ exit route for him and he finds an environment he can do well in.
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I said on here when we all heated about Bogle being garbage, but no one believed me and slated me for it. I didn’t want to say it but I TOLD YOU SO I didn’t want to be smug about it but some way I can’t help it a little bit
everyone wanted to give him a chance when he first signed and rightly so because he scored goals with Grimsby and had a hard time since but ppl wanted someone with his size in because Fej was missing that hold up play and we needed that extra option up there at the time. It’s not worked out for him here so if he does move on in this window good luck to him wherever he goes.
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Whoops soo Bailey Grimsby about 100 years ago. I know he was shit and I said that, and he hasn’t got it in him to be a footballer. You need know he might get a job at Tesco stacking shelves with the size of him
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Whoops soo Bailey Grimsby about 100 years ago. I know he was shit and I said that, and he hasn’t got it in him to be a footballer. You need know he might get a job at Tesco stacking shelves with the size of him
he was at Grimsby 5 years ago and through the first half of that season he had 19 goals before moving to Wigan and was clear of both Marquis and John Akinde who finished with 26 each. It hasn’t worked out with us or anyone else for that matter so wherever he goes good luck to him.
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I know it’s his choice and right to stay, but I wish him no luck at all with holding us up as we can’t bring anyone in till he goes
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I know it’s his choice and right to stay, but I wish him no luck at all with holding us up as we can’t bring anyone in till he goes
He’s on a contract until the end of this year because someone on our board signed it, can’t blame Bogle for not moving on unless he feels the move is right for him.
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I know it’s his choice and right to stay, but I wish him no luck at all with holding us up as we can’t bring anyone in till he goes
He’s on a contract until the end of this year because someone on our board signed it, can’t blame Bogle for not moving on unless he feels the move is right for him.
Nah, they can't have. According to some the board doesn't back the managers when it comes to bringing players in.
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I know it’s his choice and right to stay, but I wish him no luck at all with holding us up as we can’t bring anyone in till he goes
He’s on a contract until the end of this year because someone on our board signed it, can’t blame Bogle for not moving on unless he feels the move is right for him.
Is it that he qualifies for win draw or appearance bonuses even if plays for one minute! So Wellens can’t even select him on the bench ? We signed a lazy , manipulative cart horse of a player who’s only claim to fame that he scored a few goals for Grimsby ? Lol !!
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He's currently at Harworth Asda if anyone wants to say hi x
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He was a good player - there are plenty of show-reels on U-Tube showing his ability as a striker..... I can't help feel that his outside interests are having an effect on his application to the job. Either way, he is contracted to Rovers and we have to respect that.... however much it hurts our pocket..
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He was a good player - there are plenty of show-reels on U-Tube showing his ability as a striker..... I can't help feel that his outside interests are having an effect on his application to the job. Either way, he is contracted to Rovers and we have to respect that.... however much it hurts our pocket..
Agreed. If we didn't fulfill contractual obligations what kind of club would we be?*
(*Wednesdays, obviously)
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With him a great club
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He was a good player - there are plenty of show-reels on U-Tube showing his ability as a striker..... I can't help feel that his outside interests are having an effect on his application to the job. Either way, he is contracted to Rovers and we have to respect that.... however much it hurts our pocket..
Careful there Mick, That sort of talk wlll get all sorts of ears wagging and flapping. :)
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I know it’s his choice and right to stay, but I wish him no luck at all with holding us up as we can’t bring anyone in till he goes
he’s got a contract until the end of the season, if he doesn’t feel that the moves he’s been offered suit him and his family then I wouldn’t blame him for staying put. Obviously it would be better for his career for him to move on but it’s completely upto him as he doesn’t owe us anything.
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He’s. a contracted player Richie doesn’t have to select or play him. He doesn’t have to accept the move away unless it meets his needs. He could be offered a loan but that would not get him off our wage bill. So we are at an impasse. Do we pay him off like we did with Andy Butler in the same situation or can we find away for him to move on that suits both parties. We’ve already set the precedent this season and Omar as seen that.
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Another reason Richie isn’t picking Bogle could be fan reaction.
You just know that some fans would boo every time he got the ball and that would probably create an atmosphere which would be detrimental to the other players.
Caveat: Of course the fans might not boo many times if it was only when he got the ball (maybe a bit unfair).
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I know it’s his choice and right to stay, but I wish him no luck at all with holding us up as we can’t bring anyone in till he goes
he’s got a contract until the end of the season, if he doesn’t feel that the moves he’s been offered suit him and his family then I wouldn’t blame him for staying put. Obviously it would be better for his career for him to move on but it’s completely upto him as he doesn’t owe us anything.
the effort he has put in against the wages he has picked up he owes us a bloody lot mate
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He was a good player - there are plenty of show-reels on U-Tube showing his ability as a striker..... I can't help feel that his outside interests are having an effect on his application to the job. Either way, he is contracted to Rovers and we have to respect that.... however much it hurts our pocket..
and that is it is he WAS a good player for one club
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I know it’s his choice and right to stay, but I wish him no luck at all with holding us up as we can’t bring anyone in till he goes
he’s got a contract until the end of the season, if he doesn’t feel that the moves he’s been offered suit him and his family then I wouldn’t blame him for staying put. Obviously it would be better for his career for him to move on but it’s completely upto him as he doesn’t owe us anything.
the effort he has put in against the wages he has picked up he owes us a bloody lot mate
it’s not his fault that he’s been given so much a week.
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He’s. a contracted player Richie doesn’t have to select or play him. He doesn’t have to accept the move away unless it meets his needs. He could be offered a loan but that would not get him off our wage bill. So we are at an impasse. Do we pay him off like we did with Andy Butler in the same situation or can we find away for him to move on that suits both parties. We’ve already set the precedent this season and Omar as seen that.
Andy Butler was a great servant to this club over many years. Bogle has been nothing but a parasite since he came, it's no surprise he is in no hurry to leave.
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I know it’s his choice and right to stay, but I wish him no luck at all with holding us up as we can’t bring anyone in till he goes
he’s got a contract until the end of the season, if he doesn’t feel that the moves he’s been offered suit him and his family then I wouldn’t blame him for staying put. Obviously it would be better for his career for him to move on but it’s completely upto him as he doesn’t owe us anything.
the effort he has put in against the wages he has picked up he owes us a bloody lot mate
it’s not his fault that he’s been given so much a week.
I never said It was just saying he has taken a wage so he should put a shirt in like all the other players in the world. If you have a job you are expected to put in a good days work for a good days pay
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I know it’s his choice and right to stay, but I wish him no luck at all with holding us up as we can’t bring anyone in till he goes
he’s got a contract until the end of the season, if he doesn’t feel that the moves he’s been offered suit him and his family then I wouldn’t blame him for staying put. Obviously it would be better for his career for him to move on but it’s completely upto him as he doesn’t owe us anything.
the effort he has put in against the wages he has picked up he owes us a bloody lot mate
it’s not his fault that he’s been given so much a week.
I never said It was just saying he has taken a wage so he should put a shirt in like all the other players in the world. If you have a job you are expected to put in a good days work for a good days pay
he’s probs not refusing to play for us. It will be wellens choice not to play him.
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I know he will want to take to the field and I did not mean that when he is on the pitch he is so lazy and rubbish
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I think we need to be careful when throwing accusations like, lazy, rubbish and parasite when talking about a contracted player, how is that going to help to get a resolution to this issue.
We need to look at it from the point that Bogle was brought into the club by a previous manager, he would have had a plan of how to play Bogle in his team, for whatever and many reasons that didn't work.
We now have RW at the club, he has his own ideas and plant to implement, he tried the cajoling and talking up the player to increase confidence and try to incorporate him into the side, its plainly obvious that it's a none starter for us at it stands and for all concerned there needs to be a parting of ways.
I'm sure Bogle and his agent are fully aware of the consequences of this deal going per shaped for them and the club, we still have time to negotiate a suitable deal that has both sides interests at heart.
I'd bet that this will still get done and it wouldn't surprise me if a deal was not also agreed with Williams, it's the nature of these things.
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I think we need to be careful when throwing accusations like, lazy, rubbish and parasite when talking about a contracted player, how is that going to help to get a resolution to this issue.
We need to look at it from the point that Bogle was brought into the club by a previous manager, he would have had a plan of how to play Bogle in his team, for whatever and many reasons that didn't work.
We now have RW at the club, he has his own ideas and plant to implement, he tried the cajoling and talking up the player to increase confidence and try to incorporate him into the side, its plainly obvious that it's a none starter for us at it stands and for all concerned there needs to be a parting of ways.
I'm sure Bogle and his agent are fully aware of the consequences of this deal going per shaped for them and the club, we still have time to negotiate a suitable deal that has both sides interests at heart.
I'd bet that this will still get done and it wouldn't surprise me if a deal was not also agreed with Williams, it's the nature of these things.
Far too reasonable and sensible for this forum danumdon!