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Title: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: silent majority on March 01, 2021, 09:10:03 am
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2021/march/butler-appointed-manager-until-the-end-of-the-season/


Andy Butler takes over.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Filo on March 01, 2021, 09:12:08 am
Well f**k me another unloyal bas**rd!

Has he just walked or has this been bubbling under the surface?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: glosterred on March 01, 2021, 09:14:43 am
It is March 1st and not April 1st isn’t it? I haven’t missed a month somewhere



COYR
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: sedwardsdrfc on March 01, 2021, 09:15:07 am
Looks like Butlers in till end of the season at least and if he does well he'll get the job. Seems like the right thing to do and a great chance for Butler!
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: MachoMadness on March 01, 2021, 09:16:48 am
f**k right off.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Guernsey Exile on March 01, 2021, 09:17:07 am
Where did that come from
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: afro goal machine on March 01, 2021, 09:17:22 am
Wow maybe explains our shit form
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on March 01, 2021, 09:17:51 am
Saw it pop up and thought it was a joke account, nope it's not.  What a bizarre move particularly after the most recent run and backing he had in January.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: roversdude on March 01, 2021, 09:18:15 am
Didn’t see that coming I’m shocked
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Cramby10 on March 01, 2021, 09:18:22 am
Well what a c**t. He’s seen the wheels come off and has no idea how to stop it so he’s jumped ship instead??
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Filo on March 01, 2021, 09:18:38 am
Coinciding with the recent poor results
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: glosterred on March 01, 2021, 09:18:58 am
McCann Mark 2?


COYR
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Bezza on March 01, 2021, 09:19:44 am
Good luck to Butler, surprised Moore has ducked out,
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: roversdude on March 01, 2021, 09:19:48 am
I assume we are getting money from Wednesday and this has been negotiated behind the scenes??????
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Spud on March 01, 2021, 09:20:05 am
Wow !!!
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Guernsey Exile on March 01, 2021, 09:20:11 am
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2021/march/butler-appointed-manager-until-the-end-of-the-season/


Andy Butler takes over.


Martin - anything else you can tell us at this time?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: redarmy82 on March 01, 2021, 09:20:18 am
Again - we are unable to keep a manager.

Butler to the end of the season is ridiculous.

Forget the play offs.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Padge_DRFC on March 01, 2021, 09:20:27 am
What a judas... 
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: 5 on Tour on March 01, 2021, 09:21:35 am
Looks like we completely misjudged his character then.

Board are obviously, and quite rightly, pissed off based on that statement.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: silent majority on March 01, 2021, 09:23:17 am
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2021/march/butler-appointed-manager-until-the-end-of-the-season/


Andy Butler takes over.


Martin - anything else you can tell us at this time?

Well, let me say I'm glad he's gone. It's been a complete distraction.

We have been adequately compensated and AB was always the contingency plan, which shows we were prepared if something like this did happen.

Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: i_ateallthepies on March 01, 2021, 09:23:17 am
Well, I for one am glad to see the back of him and his one-dimensional play.  Perhaps now we can get back to being competitive.  Good luck Sheffield Wednesday  :byebye: :byebye: :scarf: :scarf:
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: pib on March 01, 2021, 09:23:24 am
Really disappointing from Moore. I get they are a big club but can't believe he has walked away in the position we are in. Gone down in my estimations, which I am sure he will be absolutely devastated about beyond belief.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: DonnyOsmond on March 01, 2021, 09:23:30 am
Again - we are unable to keep a manager.

Butler to the end of the season is ridiculous.

Forget the play offs.

To be fair it's better a manager to be head hunter from a higher league then us having to sack them for being crap.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: redarmy82 on March 01, 2021, 09:23:37 am
Looks like we completely misjudged his character then.

Board are obviously, and quite rightly, pissed off based on that statement.

I'd be interested to hear Moore's comments.

There is more to this than meets the eye.

To put someone with zero first team management experience into the position until the end of the season isn't good enough. Especially when we are meant to have a target of promotion.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: DonnyNoel on March 01, 2021, 09:23:40 am
Shocking news. Not sure why someone would want to go there if its as bad behind the scenes as rumours suggest.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Guernsey Exile on March 01, 2021, 09:24:30 am
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2021/march/butler-appointed-manager-until-the-end-of-the-season/


Andy Butler takes over.


Martin - anything else you can tell us at this time?

Well, let me say I'm glad he's gone. It's been a complete distraction.

We have been adequately compensated and AB was always the contingency plan, which shows we were prepared if something like this did happen.



Thanks Martin - appreciate the insight

Copps to take over in the summer?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: GazLaz on March 01, 2021, 09:25:01 am
Shocking news. Not sure why someone would want to go there if its as bad behind the scenes as rumours suggest.

Doubled his money probably.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: silent majority on March 01, 2021, 09:25:12 am
Looks like we completely misjudged his character then.

Board are obviously, and quite rightly, pissed off based on that statement.

I'm not surprised, they went above and beyond to meet his requirements.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: glosterred on March 01, 2021, 09:25:47 am
Looks like we completely misjudged his character then.

Board are obviously, and quite rightly, pissed off based on that statement.

I'd be interested to hear Moore's comments.

There is more to this than meets the eye.

To put someone with zero first team management experience into the position until the end of the season isn't good enough. Especially when we are meant to have a target of promotion.

Didn’t we do that with Rob Jones a while back?


COYR
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on March 01, 2021, 09:26:17 am
Butler is a massive gamble by the way but let's get behind him.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: redarmy82 on March 01, 2021, 09:26:23 am
Looks like we completely misjudged his character then.

Board are obviously, and quite rightly, pissed off based on that statement.

I'd be interested to hear Moore's comments.

There is more to this than meets the eye.

To put someone with zero first team management experience into the position until the end of the season isn't good enough. Especially when we are meant to have a target of promotion.

Didn’t we do that with Rob Jones a while back?


COYR

Alongside an experienced manager.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: silent majority on March 01, 2021, 09:26:50 am
Really disappointing from Moore. I get they are a big club but can't believe he has walked away in the position we are in. Gone down in my estimations, which I am sure he will be absolutely devastated about beyond belief.

Can't agree more.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: SoundbiteBarmyArmy on March 01, 2021, 09:27:44 am
Absolutely speechless, if I'm being honest! Cannot believe he's gone to a club that is clearly in the shit! Just another snake.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Guernsey Exile on March 01, 2021, 09:27:49 am
100% behind Andy Butler - he will have the support of people like Copps to call on too.

Next thing is to make sure we retain Adam Henshall
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: DonnyOsmond on March 01, 2021, 09:28:14 am
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2021/march/butler-appointed-manager-until-the-end-of-the-season/


Andy Butler takes over.


Martin - anything else you can tell us at this time?

Well, let me say I'm glad he's gone. It's been a complete distraction.

We have been adequately compensated and AB was always the contingency plan, which shows we were prepared if something like this did happen.



Has it been going on for a while then, potentially coincides with our poor form?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: silent majority on March 01, 2021, 09:28:19 am
Looks like we completely misjudged his character then.

Board are obviously, and quite rightly, pissed off based on that statement.

I'd be interested to hear Moore's comments.

There is more to this than meets the eye.

To put someone with zero first team management experience into the position until the end of the season isn't good enough. Especially when we are meant to have a target of promotion.

More to this than meets the eye? Really??

Such as?

Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: SydneyRover on March 01, 2021, 09:28:37 am
DM has got his hands full at Wednesday they have just lost 4 games in a row.

And second bottom
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: DonnyOsmond on March 01, 2021, 09:29:28 am
Potentially a Saunders like move and we could end up swapping places!
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: drfchound on March 01, 2021, 09:29:45 am
A big slap in the face for those people who had said that Moore is a man of honour and that he would never jump ship.
So much for in DM we trust.
Come on Butts, this is a big opportunity.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Cramby10 on March 01, 2021, 09:30:00 am
Isn’t it galling that our last two managers have left to join absolute barn pot clubs that are so unbelievably badly run that will/have get relegated to league 1?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: MachoMadness on March 01, 2021, 09:30:21 am
Butler has a 100% record with us, so what are we worried about? :chair:
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: redarmy82 on March 01, 2021, 09:31:14 am
Looks like we completely misjudged his character then.

Board are obviously, and quite rightly, pissed off based on that statement.

I'd be interested to hear Moore's comments.

There is more to this than meets the eye.

To put someone with zero first team management experience into the position until the end of the season isn't good enough. Especially when we are meant to have a target of promotion.

More to this than meets the eye? Really??

Such as?

There have been plenty of rumours posted here and elsewhere over the last couple of months. Who knows if there's any truth in it.

Is there a reason we aren't trying to find an experienced replacement?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: silent majority on March 01, 2021, 09:31:58 am
Isn’t it galling that our last two managers have left to join absolute barn pot clubs that are so unbelievably badly run that will/have get relegated to league 1?

Exactly. Just shows what managers, and specifically their agents, view as important.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: vaya on March 01, 2021, 09:32:17 am
Butler has a 100% record with us, so what are we worried about? :chair:

You never know, we might be able to defend balls into the box now as well.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: vaya on March 01, 2021, 09:33:35 am
Looks like we completely misjudged his character then.

Board are obviously, and quite rightly, pissed off based on that statement.

I'd be interested to hear Moore's comments.

There is more to this than meets the eye.

To put someone with zero first team management experience into the position until the end of the season isn't good enough. Especially when we are meant to have a target of promotion.

More to this than meets the eye? Really??

Such as?

There have been plenty of rumours posted here and elsewhere over the last couple of months. Who knows if there's any truth in it.

Is there a reason we aren't trying to find an experienced replacement?

Aren't attempting yet.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Cramby10 on March 01, 2021, 09:33:56 am
Bet Copps gets more game time now
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: EasyforDennis on March 01, 2021, 09:34:05 am
I for one am not disappointed
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: pib on March 01, 2021, 09:34:08 am
Looks like we completely misjudged his character then.

Board are obviously, and quite rightly, pissed off based on that statement.

I'd be interested to hear Moore's comments.

There is more to this than meets the eye.

To put someone with zero first team management experience into the position until the end of the season isn't good enough. Especially when we are meant to have a target of promotion.

More to this than meets the eye? Really??

Such as?

There have been plenty of rumours posted here and elsewhere over the last couple of months. Who knows if there's any truth in it.

Is there a reason we aren't trying to find an experienced replacement?

I would imagine there is a fairly simple explanation. The board clearly like to take their time to screen and interview candidates, and they just don't have that time at this stage of the season and with the intensity of the fixture schedule coming up.

Whether you agree with the appointment of Butler or not, an interim solution probably makes sense at this stage.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: silent majority on March 01, 2021, 09:34:14 am
Looks like we completely misjudged his character then.

Board are obviously, and quite rightly, pissed off based on that statement.

I'd be interested to hear Moore's comments.

There is more to this than meets the eye.

To put someone with zero first team management experience into the position until the end of the season isn't good enough. Especially when we are meant to have a target of promotion.

More to this than meets the eye? Really??

Such as?

There have been plenty of rumours posted here and elsewhere over the last couple of months. Who knows if there's any truth in it.

Is there a reason we aren't trying to find an experienced replacement?

That's it? That's your 'more to this than meets the eye'?


Why do people always look for something that isn't there?

Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: wing commander on March 01, 2021, 09:34:28 am
 Moore is another name to add to our snake list..

Lets not forget we as fans asked the board to back him with what he wanted in January and despite the current situation they did and this is how he backs us and them. That puts him in the next snake up list than even GM.

I'd been told a few times that he wasn't the holier than thou character we were under the impression he was but i didn't believe it.. I do now.

Andy Butlers red and white army.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: i_ateallthepies on March 01, 2021, 09:34:49 am
To be honest, I have more faith in Butts to get us back to winning than I had in Darren Moore.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: DINGLE on March 01, 2021, 09:35:08 am
He’s a Silly Billy going there. What’s he thinking?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Chris Black come back on March 01, 2021, 09:35:23 am
I have low - very low - expectations of player and manager loyalty in football. This though has surprised me. I genuinely thought different of him, but what can you do really. I fear that as Saunders and McCann found out, he will find out very quickly that moving to a bigger club is not in any way an easier ride.

Is Butler the first Doncaster-born manager since Beaglehole?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: DonnyOsmond on March 01, 2021, 09:35:49 am
Wonder if Butler will change much, such as formation?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Prez on March 01, 2021, 09:35:56 am
Unbelievable Jeff. I just can’t believe it. Has this ever happened before where 3 managers have quit a club in a row? I really am gutted.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Guernsey Exile on March 01, 2021, 09:35:59 am
Has a manager ever managed both the Womens and Mens team at the same club?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: phil o sophical on March 01, 2021, 09:36:31 am
I assume we are getting money from Wednesday and this has been negotiated behind the scenes??????

Have they got any money to give us ?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: DonnyOsmond on March 01, 2021, 09:36:38 am
Unbelievable Jeff. I just can’t believe it. Has this ever happened before where 3 managers have quit a club in a row? I really am gutted.

Surely better than sacking them for being a shit?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: redarmy82 on March 01, 2021, 09:36:44 am
Unbelievable Jeff. I just can’t believe it. Has this ever happened before where 3 managers have quit a club in a row? I really am gutted.

Seems there is a pattern emerging.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: EasyforDennis on March 01, 2021, 09:36:52 am
There could be a positive in this. He could take Bogle and Okenabirih off our hands  :)
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: German Rover on March 01, 2021, 09:37:03 am
Best of lucck to Darren at the Wednesday. Onto the future.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: dickos1 on March 01, 2021, 09:37:12 am
To be honest I’ve never been able to warm to him, and I’ve tried.
I was much more disappointed when mccann left, it’s strange we’ve offered it butler though for 18 games, we should be loooking for his replacement now and announcing butler in charge until we’ve found him.

I’d try for Adkins I think
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: silent majority on March 01, 2021, 09:37:34 am
Has a manager ever managed both the Womens and Mens team at the same club?

He'll be relieved of the Belles responsibility.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: roversdude on March 01, 2021, 09:38:23 am
SM has this been going on a while ?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Campsall rover on March 01, 2021, 09:38:37 am
One word. Well maybe more than one!!! 

Flabbergasted.

Why would he want to go to a basket case Club like Wednesday which they are at the moment. :headbang:

I just can’t believe this has happened.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: drfchound on March 01, 2021, 09:38:55 am
Has a manager ever managed both the Womens and Mens team at the same club?





He will probably have to give up the Belles job.
Maybe Moore will apply for that when he is sacked following relegation for SWFC.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: RobTheRover on March 01, 2021, 09:39:52 am
Copps as assistant manager....?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Bollinger on March 01, 2021, 09:41:11 am
Unbelievable Jeff. I just can’t believe it. Has this ever happened before where 3 managers have quit a club in a row? I really am gutted.

Seems there is a pattern emerging.

There is...your unending  and tedious digs at the club.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: German Rover on March 01, 2021, 09:41:14 am
Has a manager ever managed both the Womens and Mens team at the same club?

He'll be relieved of the Belles responsibility.


Thats a real shitter for the Belles, by all accounts hes done a very good job down there.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: EasyforDennis on March 01, 2021, 09:41:18 am
One word. Well maybe more than one!!! 

Flabbergasted.

Why would he want to go to a basket case Club like Wednesday which they are at the moment. :headbang:

I just can’t believe this has happened.

One word answer...........Money
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: pib on March 01, 2021, 09:41:40 am
Copps as assistant manager....?

It'll be Nick Buxton won't it?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Bailey Vickerage on March 01, 2021, 09:42:21 am
Can’t believe he’s left us to go to that shower. Just got to hope he doesn’t take henshall or Anderson with him when he gets the chance. Massive opportunity for butler now, he is magic after all
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: roversdude on March 01, 2021, 09:42:29 am
Well he’s not left because the board didn’t back him that’s for sure
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: drfchound on March 01, 2021, 09:42:58 am
Copps as assistant manager....?

It'll be Nick Buxton won't it?





Buxton might step up at the Belles.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Chris Black come back on March 01, 2021, 09:43:02 am
Copps as assistant manager....?

That would be easiest PR win possible for the club now. Even if Copps does nothing more than hand out bibs at training, that would likely placate a lot of people.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: i_ateallthepies on March 01, 2021, 09:43:15 am
To be honest I’ve never been able to warm to him, and I’ve tried.
I was much more disappointed when mccann left, it’s strange we’ve offered it butler though for 18 games, we should be loooking for his replacement now and announcing butler in charge until we’ve found him.

I’d try for Adkins I think

Actually, I completely agree with appointing Butts as the stopgap at this stage of the season.  Given the thorough process our club uses for appointing managers it would leave us in a void of leadership for something like ten or more games.  only then to have more upheaval when the new manager takes over.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: roversdude on March 01, 2021, 09:43:42 am
Nick works full time
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Filo on March 01, 2021, 09:44:00 am
Not the highly principled man we all thought he was, another snake!!
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: MachoMadness on March 01, 2021, 09:44:06 am
Unbelievable Jeff. I just can’t believe it. Has this ever happened before where 3 managers have quit a club in a row? I really am gutted.

Seems there is a pattern emerging.
A pattern of big clubs poaching talent from smaller clubs? When do you think this emerged exactly?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: redarmy82 on March 01, 2021, 09:44:17 am
Would be interesting to see how much compo Wednesday have paid seeing as they don't have a pot to piss in.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: sedwardsdrfc on March 01, 2021, 09:45:54 am
What disappoints me most is Moore clearly didn't believe in what we can achieve here this season. Why move to Weds now we've a really good chance to swapping places with them. If Moore really believed in himself he'd stay and get us promoted and move to a better job than Weds. Probably explains our current run if the manager doesn't believe how can the players!

Make us see how special SOD was every time we've had a decent manager since they've gone at the 1st chance. Show's we're doing the right thing off the pitch in terms of appointing decent managers not a lot we can do about their lack of loyalty or desire for long term project
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: NickDRFC on March 01, 2021, 09:46:05 am
All this bullshit “he really buys into club Doncaster and what we’re trying to do here” was just lip service. They’re all the same, only out for themselves and will jump at any opportunity to make a fast buck. I hope they implode and he fails to get another job in football.

This has left me with an even more sour taste than McCann, leaving us at this stage of the season is far worse.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Chris Black come back on March 01, 2021, 09:47:35 am
There are few clubs with less of a Club Doncaster ethos than Wednesday I would imagine.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: sedwardsdrfc on March 01, 2021, 09:49:15 am
Can just see it after a failed stint at Weds he'll be another on the mid table league 1 manager merry go round
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: MachoMadness on March 01, 2021, 09:49:34 am
Thing is if Moore goes on a run of 1 point from 5 games like he has here he'll be out of a job. Don't see them sticking with him like Hull did with McCann, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: keith79 on March 01, 2021, 09:49:55 am
I like Butler but he is not the answer.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: mushRTID on March 01, 2021, 09:50:01 am
Im absolutely stunned!

I never truly warmed to him if im honest, but at the very least i thought he had integrity and a bit of loyalty.

The most disappointing thing is after Whiteman sale, he has been BACKED TO THE HILT!! Sims, Bostock, Bogle, Robertson.

Im starting to think what is the point in all this, every manager that does half decent just shits on us.

From what iv seen of Wednesday, no chance in hell he has the players to play out from the back either so cant see him doing anything there.

Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Donnybax on March 01, 2021, 09:50:15 am
I hope Moore gets as much stick as McCann he deserves it.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: grayx on March 01, 2021, 09:50:25 am
Butler is a massive gamble by the way but let's get behind him.
I wouldn’t say Butlers a massive gamble tbh. Theres that many mediocre managers around i’d rather give “one of our own” a go til the end of the season. Butler comes across as an intelligent guy, not completely new to management, and theres always Copps in/around the club. May be a blessing in disguise. Im more worried about DM poaching some of our better players.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Ldr on March 01, 2021, 09:50:45 am
Why is this different than any of us moving jobs? We all tow the line and say the right things in our current role. Just because we as fans have an emotional attachment to the club don't for a second think that 99% of players/managers share it. When we can say we have never moved employment for a better package then we can condem those that do. Perspective ppl
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: dijit8 on March 01, 2021, 09:51:39 am
I am not surprised he has left as i always felt we were a stop gap for him, but to go to Wednesday in the state they are in is a ridiculous move for him.  Maybe its the challenge of building a new side next season that appeals to him.
I am sure he will have been offered a big bonus to keep them up, hope our current form follows him to S6.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Chris Black come back on March 01, 2021, 09:52:26 am
There is a question here about making sure we do get a proper payday when managers leave. We cannot keep them but if they go, we need decent cash if they are going to larger clubs like Wednesday, Hull or Wolves.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: EasyforDennis on March 01, 2021, 09:52:42 am
So much for all his christian values, integrity etc etc b*llocks. Basically his morals are very questionable. Just another gimme the money manager.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: redarmy82 on March 01, 2021, 09:52:56 am
Someone on the Wednesday forum reckons he's only appointed til the end of the season
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Scooter on March 01, 2021, 09:53:04 am
I think putting Butler is a great decision. I’d rather have him than one of the usual merry go round dinosaurs
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Barmby Rover on March 01, 2021, 09:53:11 am
He must like managing in League 1, so much for the "community" club he was looking for. He will not find that at Wendies, but I suspect quite a few of our present players will end up wearing a blue and white striped shirt next season. Not good for the club, I suspect we will be falling down the table soon, I hope not, but this sort of thing doesn't always bode well for attitudes in dressing rooms.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: i_ateallthepies on March 01, 2021, 09:53:21 am
I'm glad he's left us at this stage.  I for one had no faith in his ability to turn our form around.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Jersey Rover on March 01, 2021, 09:53:59 am
Think the timing might be good for us if Andy can hit the ground running. We’ve become very sterile with out tactics of late with teams working our one dimensional play out. New man, fresh ideas and tactics. Could be just the pick up we need for the run in. Onward and upward
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: colincramb on March 01, 2021, 09:54:16 am
Big shame this, after all we offered him his route back into management after he was dumped by West Brom - the media made a big deal of how he was badly treated at the time. Well, he’s jumped ship for more dough. Shocking to leave halfway through a season.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: andysly on March 01, 2021, 09:54:19 am
Just pleased there’s not a transfer window round the corner because he be after Tom Anderson & Joe Wright at the very least.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Chris Black come back on March 01, 2021, 09:54:29 am
Hope that Butler can now get a proper grip of the truly appalling defensive unit our back line has become. Get them focused on stopping the ball going in to our net, not fannying around at the edge of the box.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: jamesrover17 on March 01, 2021, 09:57:27 am
I would definitely be looking at Richie Wellens in the summer, be a big ask to get him out from Salford though
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: i_ateallthepies on March 01, 2021, 09:58:24 am
Who is Jamie Smith?  Looks like he's gone with Moore.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: roversdude on March 01, 2021, 10:01:23 am
Does this tie in with contract talks on hold ? ie what the new manager would want
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: redarmy82 on March 01, 2021, 10:01:40 am
Who is Jamie Smith?  Looks like he's gone with Moore.

Assistant
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Spud on March 01, 2021, 10:02:08 am
Who is Jamie Smith?  Looks like he's gone with Moore.

His assistant
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Shawndrfc on March 01, 2021, 10:02:47 am
I hope Moore gets as much stick as McCann he deserves it.

I am absolutely stunned at this, actually can't believe he walked away this point of the season to go the a team struggling just like McCann did, the only thing that stung more with McCann is that he actively let players walk because they didn't show the loyalty to the club, banged on about how important loyalty is then left us 4 weeks later.

People saying butler got no manager experience, are we all forgetting that managerial masterpiece he gave us against FC United of Manchester in the FA Cup........ jokes aside we have the talent in this team and people like Butler + Copps  can help unite the team and we push on rest of the season.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: colincramb on March 01, 2021, 10:03:57 am
I would definitely be looking at Richie Wellens in the summer, be a big ask to get him out from Salford though

If Salford go up there’s no chance he’s leaving them.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: i_ateallthepies on March 01, 2021, 10:06:46 am
Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: dickos1 on March 01, 2021, 10:06:51 am
If he signs any of our players out of contract then that’s an utter disgrace
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: redarmy82 on March 01, 2021, 10:08:10 am
If he signs any of our players out of contract then that’s an utter disgrace

A lot will depend on the relationship with the players.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: pib on March 01, 2021, 10:08:28 am
If he signs any of our players out of contract then that’s an utter disgrace

He'll go for the ones he can get on loan, don't worry.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Monkcaster_Rover on March 01, 2021, 10:09:35 am
f**king gutted. Judas bas**rd.

In Butts we trust!
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Chris Black come back on March 01, 2021, 10:11:06 am
The thing is, if you were Butler looking round that dressing room and trying to find people to really dig in now, there is not much there. So many of them are loan players who Moore brought in and owe nothing to the club or Butler now. It’s going to be a tough task for Andy to get this lot focused on turning round this run of form and putting a run together. Very tough.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Filo on March 01, 2021, 10:11:36 am
The more I think about this the more angrier I get, he purposely delayed contract talks to focus on the games, we all bought that and trusted him, a man with high morals we all thought, it’s obvious this has been festering in the back ground, the Free Press reporting that Wednesday asked permission to speak to him on Saturday morning, and through his agent he said he wanted to, he should have been suspended from duties at that point. I won’t have got home from Ipswich until late on Saturday and its all done and dusted Sunday, he’s been tapped up no doubt in my eyes. Also go back to Ipswich post match interview, it was different than all the others, he half criticised the players regarding the result, something he has never done before, he praised the performance but not the result, he knew he was off them, the bas**rd!
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: redarmy82 on March 01, 2021, 10:12:14 am
The thing is, if you were Butler looking round that dressing room and trying to find people to really dig in now, there is not much there. So many of them are loan players who Moore brought in and owe nothing to the club or Butler now. It’s going to be a tough task for Andy to get this lot focused on turning round this run of form and putting a run together. Very tough.

There by goes another one of the down sides of so many loans and short term contracts.

Were they here to play for the club, or to play for Darren?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: dickos1 on March 01, 2021, 10:14:06 am
I think as a club we’ve got to look at bringing more stability to the club, offering the short contracts to players and staff is part of the reason this keeps happening to us
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: EasyforDennis on March 01, 2021, 10:15:59 am
The thing is, if you were Butler looking round that dressing room and trying to find people to really dig in now, there is not much there. So many of them are loan players who Moore brought in and owe nothing to the club or Butler now. It’s going to be a tough task for Andy to get this lot focused on turning round this run of form and putting a run together. Very tough.

I think quite the opposite might the case. Players will now be playing to impress the new manager. I would imagine a good number of players would be pissed off with all Moore's swapping and changing and at times bizarre substitutions.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: sedwardsdrfc on March 01, 2021, 10:17:00 am
Agree on more stability needed loan players should be the cherry on top not the spine of a team we've got the balance wrong imo.

The loan players are here to play for themselves which means the manager leaving shoudln't have an impact they still need to impress to get in at their clubs. I'm more concerned about player like Bostock who we wouldn't sign without DM. They are professionals though so shouldn't change anything
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: redarmy82 on March 01, 2021, 10:17:05 am
I think as a club we’ve got to look at bringing more stability to the club, offering the short contracts to players and staff is part of the reason this keeps happening to us

Exactly. Some people won't have it though.

When we've half a dozen players this summer, maybe people will realise.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: DRNaith on March 01, 2021, 10:17:27 am
Out of interest, what is Butler's record with the Belles?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: TommyC on March 01, 2021, 10:18:08 am
Silent Majority stated that this has been a big distraction behind the scenes which by implication suggests it has been going on a while. However reports are stating that they only made their official approach to speak to him on Friday. Is SM able to elaborate as it would be strangely comforting if we could lay our recent poor form squarely at the door of this issue rumbling on behind the scenes!  As that issue has now resolved itself we would hopefully be able to rediscover our mojo you would hope.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Bailey Vickerage on March 01, 2021, 10:19:13 am
If he signs any of our players out of contract then that’s an utter disgrace
it will depend on his relationship
With the players but don’t think they will be happy with him going. Bostocks Twitter post says it all really
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Chris Black come back on March 01, 2021, 10:20:15 am
I think as a club we’ve got to look at bringing more stability to the club, offering the short contracts to players and staff is part of the reason this keeps happening to us

It’s not as simple as some say, but broadly this is right. I go back to McCann era in that you do need top quality loan players to get promoted, there is no way around this. Perhaps you don’t need your team to be made up mostly of them though.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: rtid88 on March 01, 2021, 10:21:26 am
I think as a club we’ve got to look at bringing more stability to the club, offering the short contracts to players and staff is part of the reason this keeps happening to us

Exactly. Some people won't have it though.

When we've half a dozen players this summer, maybe people will realise.

Laughable comment really.....do you think we will be paying all of the wages for the players brought in one loan? Do you think we had to pay them a signing on fee?

We are a small club with a relatively small budget, if you want a full squad of players that we own than that's fine, we will be playing in the Vanarama if that's what you want? No team with as little debt as we have can compete in this league without a substantial amount of loan players its as simple as that.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: redarmy82 on March 01, 2021, 10:21:40 am
I think as a club we’ve got to look at bringing more stability to the club, offering the short contracts to players and staff is part of the reason this keeps happening to us

It’s not as simple as some say, but broadly this is right. I go back to McCann era in that you do need top quality loan players to get promoted, there is no way around this. Perhaps you don’t need your team to be made up mostly of them though.

No one is saying we don't need loan players. We do. But we are overly reliant on them, and short term contracts. And having to rebuild every single summer. But it's the way the club want to operate for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: redarmy82 on March 01, 2021, 10:23:01 am
I think as a club we’ve got to look at bringing more stability to the club, offering the short contracts to players and staff is part of the reason this keeps happening to us

Exactly. Some people won't have it though.

When we've half a dozen players this summer, maybe people will realise.

Laughable comment really.....do you think we will be paying all of the wages for the players brought in one loan? Do you think we had to pay them a signing on fee?

We are a small club with a relatively small budget, if you want a full squad of players that we own than that's fine, we will be playing in the Vanarama if that's what you want? No team with as little debt as we have can compete in this league without a substantial amount of loan players its as simple as that.

It's your comment that is laughable.

How many other clubs in our division are so reliant on loans and short terms contracts? How many have to have a full rebuild every single summer?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: SoundbiteBarmyArmy on March 01, 2021, 10:23:54 am
I see Moore's first game in charge is at Hillsborough vs. Rotherham, on Wednesday evening. Imagine the early fan pressure he may feel from nothing but a win in this?!
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Dare to dream! on March 01, 2021, 10:24:28 am
You just know where the likes of Dan James and the others will end up now.

Need to get their contracts sorted if we can ASAP.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on March 01, 2021, 10:25:10 am
Like the majority, I'm shocked and disappointed!

Probably an understatement and feels like a kick in the teeth at this stage of the season, especially as the young players who look up to him have just been deserted by him. Plus what example does that set!?

I really thought he was better than this. To add to the fact he's going to a basket case club makes it even more puzzling. The wrangles with me more than McCann.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: belton rover on March 01, 2021, 10:25:35 am
I am really disappointed in Moore, but more so in Wednesday and the whole EFL set up. The only thing that could have turned Moore’s head, despite the rhetoric that will no doubt come, is money. A club in an absolute self inflicted mess can effectively buy who they want. Not only that, but how ridiculously arrogant and ignorant it is for a club to think ‘that manager is doing well for them so he will do well for us’. No thought of how a club is run from top to bottom.
I should be too old to be bitter, but I hope to actual f**k that Wednesday get relegated.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: HomerJSimpson on March 01, 2021, 10:26:26 am
WTF. Quite literally shocked by this and going to Wednesday who in all likely hood will be relegated is not a good move. Very poor. Hope Butler gets the squads full support.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: roversdude on March 01, 2021, 10:26:34 am
13 of the squad on Saturday were our players so I don’t see the problem
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: the vicar on March 01, 2021, 10:26:50 am
Quote from: Guernsey Exile link=topic=copps279851.msg1031719#msg1031719 date=1614590670
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2021/march/butler-appointed-manager-until-the-end-of-the-season/


Andy Butler takes over.


Martin - anything else you can tell us at this time?

Well, let me say I'm glad he's gone. It's been a complete distraction.

We have been adequately compensated and AB was always the contingency plan, which shows we were prepared if something like this did happen.



Thanks Martin - appreciate the insight

Copps to take over in the summer?
Deffo not copps thank you very much, I love him but NO
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Geoff Blakesley on March 01, 2021, 10:27:14 am
Will Butler be a player manager ?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Spud on March 01, 2021, 10:27:29 am
If he signs any of our players out of contract then that’s an utter disgrace
it will depend on his relationship
With the players but don’t think they will be happy with him going. Bostocks Twitter post says it all really

I'm not on Twitter, what's he said?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Bailey Vickerage on March 01, 2021, 10:28:27 am
I don’t think I’ve ever wanted Rotherscum to win a game but hope they win tomorrow
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Chris Black come back on March 01, 2021, 10:28:45 am
Him going to Wednesday did get floated last month I seem to remember, which is about the time our dreadful run of form started. Reading between the lines, it does appear he has been sat deliberating on this for a while and the club presumably knew this, before it officially came together during 48 hours this weekend.

In every crisis is an opportunity and I hope Butler is out there now at Cantley Park getting the back line to focus on defending 101.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Guernsey Exile on March 01, 2021, 10:29:53 am
If he signs any of our players out of contract then that’s an utter disgrace
it will depend on his relationship
With the players but don’t think they will be happy with him going. Bostocks Twitter post says it all really

I'm not on Twitter, what's he said?

Football...
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Bailey Vickerage on March 01, 2021, 10:31:37 am
If he signs any of our players out of contract then that’s an utter disgrace
it will depend on his relationship
With the players but don’t think they will be happy with him going. Bostocks Twitter post says it all really

I'm not on Twitter, what's he said?
https://twitter.com/johnjbostock/status/1366327392260804608?s=21
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Campsall rover on March 01, 2021, 10:33:27 am
The simple fact is we have to turn this negative into a positive.

Maybe Butts with help from Copps can rejuvenate the squad and get them to go out and play with vigour, panache and any other words anyone can come up with.

You never know this might work in our favour. Butts has plenty of respect in the dressing room and tis might invigorate the team at a time when it’s badly needed that we get back to picking up 3 points on a fairy consistent basis.

Onwards and upwards. We are getting used to this aren’t we. 
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: rtid88 on March 01, 2021, 10:34:13 am
I think as a club we’ve got to look at bringing more stability to the club, offering the short contracts to players and staff is part of the reason this keeps happening to us

Exactly. Some people won't have it though.

When we've half a dozen players this summer, maybe people will realise.

Laughable comment really.....do you think we will be paying all of the wages for the players brought in one loan? Do you think we had to pay them a signing on fee?

We are a small club with a relatively small budget, if you want a full squad of players that we own than that's fine, we will be playing in the Vanarama if that's what you want? No team with as little debt as we have can compete in this league without a substantial amount of loan players its as simple as that.

It's your comment that is laughable.

How many other clubs in our division are so reliant on loans and short terms contracts? How many have to have a full rebuild every single summer?

No idea I have got better things to do with my time than scour through other clubs squads but I would imagine a fair few have a significant proportion of players in their squad with loans and short term contracts other than perhaps Peterborough, Portsmouth, Hull and Sunderland who all have significantly bigger budgets than us.

To say we have to fully rebuild the squad again is clearly not true either but I agree their is a large proportion of the squad that potentially not be with is next year. But that could be a good thing as we won't be left with a squad full of players that won't be cut out for the Championship.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Jonathan on March 01, 2021, 10:36:00 am
Wow. Didn’t expect this, although dare I say there were signs beneath the surface. If you read between the lines of the tone of the VSC Twitter account and the tone of certain posters on here over the course of time then you can, in my opinion, draw conclusions around tensions that may be bubbling. Subtle digs / shifting of credit to Adam Henshall for success has been evident for a while.

Don’t want to get drawn into a slanging match but...

Darren Moore and Grant McCann. Two very different characters. Both jumped ship very quickly to a bigger club in turmoil.

If I was on the DRFC Board I’d at least want to have a look inwardly at the reasons why, and what we can learn. Have we just been unlucky? Maybe. Are we getting everything right? Some people will tell you yes, but probably not.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: redarmy82 on March 01, 2021, 10:37:03 am
Wow. Didn’t expect this, although dare I say there were signs beneath the surface. If you read between the lines of the tone of the VSC Twitter account and the tone of certain posters on here over the course of time then you can, in my opinion, draw conclusions around tensions that may be bubbling. Subtle digs / shifting of credit to Adam Henshall for success has been evident for a while.

Don’t want to get drawn into a slanging match but...

Darren Moore and Grant McCann. Two very different characters. Both jumped ship very quickly to a bigger club in turmoil.

If I was on the DRFC Board I’d at least want to have a look inwardly at the reasons why, and what we can learn. Have we just been unlucky? Maybe. Are we getting everything right? Some people will tell you yes. But probably not.

Don't forget Ferguson walking before this - which we still never really found out why.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Prez on March 01, 2021, 10:38:10 am

I see Moore's first game in charge is at Hillsborough vs. Rotherham, on Wednesday evening. Imagine the early fan pressure he may feel from nothing but a win in this?!

Jeez I never thought I’d see the day where I’m wanting Rotherham to win
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: vaya on March 01, 2021, 10:38:28 am
The more I think about this the more angrier I get, he purposely delayed contract talks to focus on the games, we all bought that and trusted him, a man with high morals we all thought, it’s obvious this has been festering in the back ground, the Free Press reporting that Wednesday asked permission to speak to him on Saturday morning, and through his agent he said he wanted to, he should have been suspended from duties at that point. I won’t have got home from Ipswich until late on Saturday and its all done and dusted Sunday, he’s been tapped up no doubt in my eyes. Also go back to Ipswich post match interview, it was different than all the others, he half criticised the players regarding the result, something he has never done before, he praised the performance but not the result, he knew he was off them, the bas**rd!

Having now read the official statement, it's pretty much as close to apoplectic rage we're going to get from the club as well.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Wiltshire Exile on March 01, 2021, 10:39:12 am
Why is this different than any of us moving jobs? We all tow the line and say the right things in our current role. Just because we as fans have an emotional attachment to the club don't for a second think that 99% of players/managers share it. When we can say we have never moved employment for a better package then we can condem those that do. Perspective ppl

I agree entirely, Ldr. What makes it stink, though, is when managers and players spout that they “have bought into the ethos of the club”, or “the chairman sold me the club’s philosophy” or “it’s a club that I’ve always admired.”   :turd:
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Filo on March 01, 2021, 10:42:27 am
Why is this different than any of us moving jobs? We all tow the line and say the right things in our current role. Just because we as fans have an emotional attachment to the club don't for a second think that 99% of players/managers share it. When we can say we have never moved employment for a better package then we can condem those that do. Perspective ppl

I agree entirely, Ldr. What makes it stink, though, is when managers and players spout that they “have bought into the ethos of the club”, or “the chairman sold me the club’s philosophy” or “it’s a club that I’ve always admired.”   :turd:


And moved somewhere with a totally different philosophy, his lip service has done us all
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Drover on March 01, 2021, 10:44:12 am
Will Butler be a player manager ?

His choice,depends if he thinks he's good enough
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: MachoMadness on March 01, 2021, 10:45:34 am
Wow. Didn’t expect this, although dare I say there were signs beneath the surface. If you read between the lines of the tone of the VSC Twitter account and the tone of certain posters on here over the course of time then you can, in my opinion, draw conclusions around tensions that may be bubbling. Subtle digs / shifting of credit to Adam Henshall for success has been evident for a while.

Don’t want to get drawn into a slanging match but...

Darren Moore and Grant McCann. Two very different characters. Both jumped ship very quickly to a bigger club in turmoil.

If I was on the DRFC Board I’d at least want to have a look inwardly at the reasons why, and what we can learn. Have we just been unlucky? Maybe. Are we getting everything right? Some people will tell you yes, but probably not.
I'm not sure it's that deep. I just think they're being offered hefty pay rises and they're judging it as worth the risk. Remember it's not just about the manager's character, but the agents as well.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Campsall rover on March 01, 2021, 10:46:32 am
Let’s get behind Butts big time.

That’s what we all need to do. Darren Moore is now history.

Come everyone let’s be all upbeat as that’s what must happen in the dressing room at Cantley Park and the Keepmoat.

Positivity Positivity and more positivity.  A win tomorrow night and we are back on track. If we lose then let’s not get paranoid about it. Give Butts and the team some slack.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: GazLaz on March 01, 2021, 10:46:58 am
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2021/march/butler-appointed-manager-until-the-end-of-the-season/


Andy Butler takes over.


Martin - anything else you can tell us at this time?

Well, let me say I'm glad he's gone. It's been a complete distraction.

We have been adequately compensated and AB was always the contingency plan, which shows we were prepared if something like this did happen.



Has this affected recent performances then do you think?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: EasyforDennis on March 01, 2021, 10:49:57 am
Has it not crossed anyones mind that maybe the reason we are looking nothing like the team we were a month or so ago is that other teams managers have got us sussed? Teams are adopting tactics to combat how we play and our manager couldn't or wouldn't change his tactics. So maybe he isn't such a big loss?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Campsall rover on March 01, 2021, 10:50:28 am
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2021/march/butler-appointed-manager-until-the-end-of-the-season/


Andy Butler takes over.


Martin - anything else you can tell us at this time?

Well, let me say I'm glad he's gone. It's been a complete distraction.

We have been adequately compensated and AB was always the contingency plan, which shows we were prepared if something like this did happen.



Has this affected recent performances then do you think?
Who knows. It’s possible.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Wiltshire Exile on March 01, 2021, 10:51:33 am
Why is this different than any of us moving jobs? We all tow the line and say the right things in our current role. Just because we as fans have an emotional attachment to the club don't for a second think that 99% of players/managers share it. When we can say we have never moved employment for a better package then we can condem those that do. Perspective ppl

I agree entirely, Ldr. What makes it stink, though, is when managers and players spout that they “have bought into the ethos of the club”, or “the chairman sold me the club’s philosophy” or “it’s a club that I’ve always admired.”   :turd:


And moved somewhere with a totally different philosophy, his lip service has done us all

True, Filo.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Chris the Rover on March 01, 2021, 10:51:52 am
I was angry and quite gutted when I read SM’s initial post. Now having thought about it for an hour, I’ve come to the conclusion that I’m not bothered he’s gone. His style of play was exasperating - a goal down on Saturday in the third of four minutes added time and we were still tippy tappying between goalkeeper and two centre backs. He had been rumbled and had no Plan B. One point from our last 5 matches says it all. I welcome AB’s appointment. He has a love for the club and I’m sure he will give 100 percent. Will he be a success - who knows, but he hopefully will get us out of this current slump. I’m already looking forward to the Pompey game, if only to see if Butts changes the style of play. Also, to see if Copps gets more game time!
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Filo on March 01, 2021, 10:52:01 am
Has it not crossed anyones mind that maybe the reason we are looking nothing like the team we were a month or so ago is that other teams managers have got us sussed? Teams are adopting tactics to combat how we play and our manager couldn't or wouldn't change his tactics. So maybe he isn't such a big loss?

Isn’t that the reason why WBA got rid, his stubbornest to change when results were poor
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Campsall rover on March 01, 2021, 10:52:16 am
Why the speculation about a new manager.

Butts has the job to the end of the season.  Minimum.  End of.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: tommy toes on March 01, 2021, 10:53:47 am
I'm really not bothered that he's gone.
We were beginning to look very vulnerable, a change of direction might not be a bad thing.
Andy Butler knows the club and the players very well and hopefully can get us playing to our strengths.
We've got some very good footballers here, so it ain't rocket science to get them going again, hopefully with a new impetus on getting the ball up the pitch more quickly.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Filo on March 01, 2021, 10:54:59 am
Why the speculation about a new manager.

Butts has the job to the end of the season.  Minimum.  End of.


Because in my opinion, be it Butler or AN Other, the manager needs to be in place well before the transfer window and with targets identified and sounded out
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: DonnyOsmond on March 01, 2021, 10:57:12 am
Why the speculation about a new manager.

Butts has the job to the end of the season.  Minimum.  End of.


Because in my opinion, be it Butler or AN Other, the manager needs to be in place well before the transfer window and with targets identified and sounded out

@RichieWellens
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Ldr on March 01, 2021, 10:58:49 am
Let’s get behind Butts big time.

That’s what we all need to do. Darren Moore is now history.

Come everyone let’s be all upbeat as that’s what must happen in the dressing room at Cantley Park and the Keepmoat.

Positivity Positivity and more positivity.  A win tomorrow night and we are back on track. If we lose then let’s not get paranoid about it. Give Butts and the team some slack.

I like big Butts and I cannot lie??
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: LincsRover on March 01, 2021, 10:59:12 am
I’m shocked as I was naive enough to believe he was a nice down to earth bloke, had some loyalty to donny and bought into the family club Doncaster thing. Unfortunately he proved that everything I hate about modern day football is true, it’s all about the money!! F*ck*ng disgusted, firstly with myself for believing it was about anything other than cash, but secondly with him for being the snake mark 2!!

Hope Butts does the business and Wednesday go bankrupt! Massive club my arse!!!!!
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: vaya on March 01, 2021, 10:59:45 am
Let’s get behind Butts big time.

That’s what we all need to do. Darren Moore is now history.

Come everyone let’s be all upbeat as that’s what must happen in the dressing room at Cantley Park and the Keepmoat.

Positivity Positivity and more positivity.  A win tomorrow night and we are back on track. If we lose then let’s not get paranoid about it. Give Butts and the team some slack.

I like big Butts and I cannot lie??

Bravo sir, bravo.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: wing commander on March 01, 2021, 11:00:19 am
 Like what has been said Moore kept banging on about long term projects,community work and the club Doncaster model as being so important to him. Yet when his agent shows him a few quid he's off like a robbers dog to a owner who shows no interest in any of that.. None of that meant a thing to him obviously..

 That said he's gone and good riddance to him. The question i really want answering is the compensation money, 6 figures is great but will they actually pay it ? It was only a month or so ago that they couldn't , we will know that is there any safeguards we have put in to make sure we actually get it??
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Pliskin on March 01, 2021, 11:00:47 am
This season could go downhill from here but at the moment I'm less bothered about this than I thought I'd be.

Inflexible, dogmatic 'playing out from the back' style of football for no good reason at times.

The revolving door of inexperienced loan players, many of whom inevitably picked up injuries and f**ked off back to their parent club when exposed to the rigours of senior football.

Crazy team lineups and unnecessary rotation.

Seeming indifference to losing, reflected on the pitch at times with lack of urgency and inability to mix things up.

Abysmal set-pieces. No team who actually practice set-pieces on a semi-regular basis in training can be this bad.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: i_ateallthepies on March 01, 2021, 11:03:39 am
Has it not crossed anyones mind that maybe the reason we are looking nothing like the team we were a month or so ago is that other teams managers have got us sussed? Teams are adopting tactics to combat how we play and our manager couldn't or wouldn't change his tactics. So maybe he isn't such a big loss?


 :that:  exactly!
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: pib on March 01, 2021, 11:03:59 am
Butler's first priority should be to get us back to basics. Work on set plays, both attacking and defensive, which can be worth a dozen goals plus a season and appears to be an area that DM didn't work on too much, as our set piece play has been absolutely useless for ages. Hope AB can also get us working on some different patterns of play so that if a team presses us and tries to force us into mistakes at the back, we have another way of playing to get round it.

Hopefully as someone relatively new to coaching and management, he will be keen to stamp some new ideas on it and get us out of this rut we are in. As a centre back who has been effective from set plays at both ends as a player, I would expect that he will be looking at the set plays aspect and hoping we can improve.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: mushRTID on March 01, 2021, 11:04:34 am
This season could go downhill from here but at the moment I'm less bothered about this than I thought I'd be.

Inflexible, dogmatic 'playing out from the back' style of football for no good reason at times.

The revolving door of inexperienced loan players, many of whom inevitably picked up injuries and f**ked off back to their parent club when exposed to the rigours of senior football.

Crazy team lineups and unnecessary rotation.

Seeming indifference to losing, reflected on the pitch at times with lack of urgency and inability to mix things up.

Abysmal set-pieces. No team who actually practice set-pieces on a semi-regular basis in training can be this bad.

I completely agree with this, the news shocked me to my boots but I’m nowhere near as bothered as when McCann left.

I just didn’t take to him or his football
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: DonnyOsmond on March 01, 2021, 11:07:19 am
People mention set pieces but wasn't that Paul Gerrard's job, who is potentially still here.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on March 01, 2021, 11:07:32 am
This season could go downhill from here but at the moment I'm less bothered about this than I thought I'd be.

Inflexible, dogmatic 'playing out from the back' style of football for no good reason at times.

The revolving door of inexperienced loan players, many of whom inevitably picked up injuries and f**ked off back to their parent club when exposed to the rigours of senior football.

Crazy team lineups and unnecessary rotation.

Seeming indifference to losing, reflected on the pitch at times with lack of urgency and inability to mix things up.

Abysmal set-pieces. No team who actually practice set-pieces on a semi-regular basis in training can be this bad.

I completely agree with this, the news shocked me to my boots but I’m nowhere near as bothered as when McCann left.

I just didn’t take to him or his football

I agree on this, I'm disappointed and shocked but not as annoyed as when McCann left footballing wise (I liked his style of play much more).

I do wonder if he would have left if the last 5 games had turned out better. Part of me thinks he's ran from a weak period very easily.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: andy didcott on March 01, 2021, 11:09:57 am
Was gobsmacked hearing this earlier, unbelievable after all the board have done for him over the last few weeks, they do not sound happy at all, Darren Moore you are a dishonourable person and hope you get plenty of grief when our paths cross again. Good riddance and best of luck to Andy butler who I’m sure is somebody who can be trusted 100%.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on March 01, 2021, 11:17:11 am
Let’s get behind Butts big time.

That’s what we all need to do. Darren Moore is now history.

Come everyone let’s be all upbeat as that’s what must happen in the dressing room at Cantley Park and the Keepmoat.

Positivity Positivity and more positivity.  A win tomorrow night and we are back on track. If we lose then let’s not get paranoid about it. Give Butts and the team some slack.

I like big Butts and I cannot lie??
Post of the season!
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: silent majority on March 01, 2021, 11:23:34 am
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2021/march/butler-appointed-manager-until-the-end-of-the-season/


Andy Butler takes over.


Martin - anything else you can tell us at this time?

Well, let me say I'm glad he's gone. It's been a complete distraction.

We have been adequately compensated and AB was always the contingency plan, which shows we were prepared if something like this did happen.



Has this affected recent performances then do you think?

In my opinion, and I stress this is my opinion, the answer is most definitely.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Wiltshire Exile on March 01, 2021, 11:24:57 am
Owls’ fans seem to approve in general:

https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/298743-breaking-darren-moore-appointed-as-new-manager/

...though quite a few are in a state of shock! Well worth a read if you can spare the time.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Campsall rover on March 01, 2021, 11:27:20 am
I%u2019m shocked as I was naive enough to believe he was a nice down to earth bloke, had some loyalty to donny and bought into the family club Doncaster thing. Unfortunately he proved that everything I hate about modern day football is true, it%u2019s all about the money!! F*ck*ng disgusted, firstly with myself for believing it was about anything other than cash, but secondly with him for being the snake mark 2!!

Hope Butts does the business and Wednesday go bankrupt! Massive club my arse!!!!!
Last time they were massive was 1961 Runners up to Spurs.
It has been pretty much a downward spiral since then apart from a couple of decent years in the early 1990s when Atkinson was manager.
The Sheridan/David Hirst/Waddle team.

Big club. They think they are but what have they won in their history. Answer. Almost nothing.  ;)
Well not since the 1930s  they have not.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: sedwardsdrfc on March 01, 2021, 11:28:35 am
People mention set pieces but wasn't that Paul Gerrard's job, who is potentially still here.

yeah but the manager gave him that job. Not like Gerrard has to be the set play man and that can never change. We can see it's been a problem so you'd hope the paid pros would too and would try to sort it out even if it means taking over it yourself
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: DonnyOsmond on March 01, 2021, 11:29:17 am
Hopefully we can end the season with more than one headed goal too!
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: JonWallsend on March 01, 2021, 11:31:13 am
Reeling at this in that I never saw it coming, however nothing should surprise us and I have become indifferent to managers coming in and out of the club.
A few concerns that this is becoming a pattern, although that may just be coincidence, and some players eg Bostock, with whom I've been immensely impressed, highlighted Moore as a big pulling factor in signing for the club. I realise that this is fairly standard rhetoric when players do join.
Other than that we move on and look to make the right appointment.
I have championed Michael Appleton many times recently and was disappointed when he came a close second(I can't even recall which appointment that was)I can't imagine he'd leave Lincoln but as today highlights everything vi's possible.
As an aside we are slowly improving and I am really looking forward to the end of the season.
Finally, this is a good job. Only one manager in nearly 10 years sacked, following a relegation, 3 leaving to championship clubs and one managing a team above us. It is a stepping stone. I can live with that and know there will be plenty of people wanting the job.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: silent majority on March 01, 2021, 11:35:11 am
Wow. Didn’t expect this, although dare I say there were signs beneath the surface. If you read between the lines of the tone of the VSC Twitter account and the tone of certain posters on here over the course of time then you can, in my opinion, draw conclusions around tensions that may be bubbling. Subtle digs / shifting of credit to Adam Henshall for success has been evident for a while.

Don’t want to get drawn into a slanging match but...

Darren Moore and Grant McCann. Two very different characters. Both jumped ship very quickly to a bigger club in turmoil.

If I was on the DRFC Board I’d at least want to have a look inwardly at the reasons why, and what we can learn. Have we just been unlucky? Maybe. Are we getting everything right? Some people will tell you yes, but probably not.

I think you're reading far too much into this. The VSC twitter account is handled by a couple of people, not me I hasten to add, and there is no discussion about what they can tweet about. Absolutely none.

As for the credit that Adam Henshall has been getting from people like me then that's only because he deserves that. He's been the one doing all the hard work on the recruitment front and yet supporters kept praising DM, I was just telling it as it is. When chatting about recruitment with the club it was Adam's name that always cropped up, not Darren's.


Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: EasyforDennis on March 01, 2021, 11:37:22 am
Wow. Didn’t expect this, although dare I say there were signs beneath the surface. If you read between the lines of the tone of the VSC Twitter account and the tone of certain posters on here over the course of time then you can, in my opinion, draw conclusions around tensions that may be bubbling. Subtle digs / shifting of credit to Adam Henshall for success has been evident for a while.

Don’t want to get drawn into a slanging match but...

Darren Moore and Grant McCann. Two very different characters. Both jumped ship very quickly to a bigger club in turmoil.

If I was on the DRFC Board I’d at least want to have a look inwardly at the reasons why, and what we can learn. Have we just been unlucky? Maybe. Are we getting everything right? Some people will tell you yes, but probably not.

I think you're reading far too much into this. The VSC twitter account is handled by a couple of people, not me I hasten to add, and there is no discussion about what they can tweet about. Absolutely none.

As for the credit that Adam Henshall has been getting from people like me then that's only because he deserves that. He's been the one doing all the hard work on the recruitment front and yet supporters kept praising DM, I was just telling it as it is. When chatting about recruitment with the club it was Adam's name that always cropped up, not Darren's.

I understand if you don't want to answer SM but are you disappointed he has gone? In a playing sense that is.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: silent majority on March 01, 2021, 11:40:20 am
Wow. Didn’t expect this, although dare I say there were signs beneath the surface. If you read between the lines of the tone of the VSC Twitter account and the tone of certain posters on here over the course of time then you can, in my opinion, draw conclusions around tensions that may be bubbling. Subtle digs / shifting of credit to Adam Henshall for success has been evident for a while.

Don’t want to get drawn into a slanging match but...

Darren Moore and Grant McCann. Two very different characters. Both jumped ship very quickly to a bigger club in turmoil.

If I was on the DRFC Board I’d at least want to have a look inwardly at the reasons why, and what we can learn. Have we just been unlucky? Maybe. Are we getting everything right? Some people will tell you yes, but probably not.

I think you're reading far too much into this. The VSC twitter account is handled by a couple of people, not me I hasten to add, and there is no discussion about what they can tweet about. Absolutely none.

As for the credit that Adam Henshall has been getting from people like me then that's only because he deserves that. He's been the one doing all the hard work on the recruitment front and yet supporters kept praising DM, I was just telling it as it is. When chatting about recruitment with the club it was Adam's name that always cropped up, not Darren's.

I understand if you don't want to answer SM but are you disappointed he has gone? In a playing sense that is.

No I'm not. The trouble with laid back managers is that the players, or maybe I should say certain players, take advantage of that. GM and DM were chalk and cheese in  that respect.
 
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: EasyforDennis on March 01, 2021, 11:43:02 am
Wow. Didn’t expect this, although dare I say there were signs beneath the surface. If you read between the lines of the tone of the VSC Twitter account and the tone of certain posters on here over the course of time then you can, in my opinion, draw conclusions around tensions that may be bubbling. Subtle digs / shifting of credit to Adam Henshall for success has been evident for a while.

Don’t want to get drawn into a slanging match but...

Darren Moore and Grant McCann. Two very different characters. Both jumped ship very quickly to a bigger club in turmoil.

If I was on the DRFC Board I’d at least want to have a look inwardly at the reasons why, and what we can learn. Have we just been unlucky? Maybe. Are we getting everything right? Some people will tell you yes, but probably not.

I think you're reading far too much into this. The VSC twitter account is handled by a couple of people, not me I hasten to add, and there is no discussion about what they can tweet about. Absolutely none.

As for the credit that Adam Henshall has been getting from people like me then that's only because he deserves that. He's been the one doing all the hard work on the recruitment front and yet supporters kept praising DM, I was just telling it as it is. When chatting about recruitment with the club it was Adam's name that always cropped up, not Darren's.

I understand if you don't want to answer SM but are you disappointed he has gone? In a playing sense that is.

No I'm not. The trouble with laid back managers is that the players, or maybe I should say certain players, take advantage of that. GM and DM were chalk and cheese in  that respect.

Thanks
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: since-1969 on March 01, 2021, 11:43:33 am
Looks like Butlers in till end of the season at least and if he does well he'll get the job. Seems like the right thing to do and a great chance for Butler!
We are L1 side and Darren Moore wants a bigger club who also want more !! Good luck to him it’s certainly bad timing .
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: roversdude on March 01, 2021, 11:49:02 am
I’d be concerned if he took AH with him.
A couple of hours ago I was gutted at the news DM had left, now I’m seeing benefits, really hope AB makes a go of this
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: EasyforDennis on March 01, 2021, 11:51:50 am
I’d be concerned if he took AH with him.
A couple of hours ago I was gutted at the news DM had left, now I’m seeing benefits, really hope AB makes a go of this

I would be more gutted if he DIDN'T take Gerrard with him  ;)
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: wing commander on March 01, 2021, 11:58:08 am
Wow. Didn’t expect this, although dare I say there were signs beneath the surface. If you read between the lines of the tone of the VSC Twitter account and the tone of certain posters on here over the course of time then you can, in my opinion, draw conclusions around tensions that may be bubbling. Subtle digs / shifting of credit to Adam Henshall for success has been evident for a while.

Don’t want to get drawn into a slanging match but...

Darren Moore and Grant McCann. Two very different characters. Both jumped ship very quickly to a bigger club in turmoil.

If I was on the DRFC Board I’d at least want to have a look inwardly at the reasons why, and what we can learn. Have we just been unlucky? Maybe. Are we getting everything right? Some people will tell you yes, but probably not.

I think you're reading far too much into this. The VSC twitter account is handled by a couple of people, not me I hasten to add, and there is no discussion about what they can tweet about. Absolutely none.

As for the credit that Adam Henshall has been getting from people like me then that's only because he deserves that. He's been the one doing all the hard work on the recruitment front and yet supporters kept praising DM, I was just telling it as it is. When chatting about recruitment with the club it was Adam's name that always cropped up, not Darren's.

I understand if you don't want to answer SM but are you disappointed he has gone? In a playing sense that is.

No I'm not. The trouble with laid back managers is that the players, or maybe I should say certain players, take advantage of that. GM and DM were chalk and cheese in  that respect.

Thanks

I get your point about being too laid back..Do you think Butler has recognised that?? After all he is a player as well and close to the players.. In some ways this is different from last time he had a few games, this time its his chance to stamp his authority and way of doing things on to the team rather than just ticking over..
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: colfromdonny on March 01, 2021, 12:01:24 pm
Surprised nobody has mentioned Paul Lambert leaving Ipswich
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: GazLaz on March 01, 2021, 12:04:00 pm
Surprised nobody has mentioned Paul Lambert leaving Ipswich

I’d rather have Steve Wignall back.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Prez on March 01, 2021, 12:04:49 pm
Surprised nobody has mentioned Paul Lambert leaving Ipswich

It was mentioned on here yesterday
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: essexrover on March 01, 2021, 12:09:52 pm
Surprised nobody has mentioned Paul Lambert leaving Ipswich
Nooooooo !!  We DO NOT want him  :(
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: pib on March 01, 2021, 12:11:57 pm
Wow. Didn’t expect this, although dare I say there were signs beneath the surface. If you read between the lines of the tone of the VSC Twitter account and the tone of certain posters on here over the course of time then you can, in my opinion, draw conclusions around tensions that may be bubbling. Subtle digs / shifting of credit to Adam Henshall for success has been evident for a while.

Don’t want to get drawn into a slanging match but...

Darren Moore and Grant McCann. Two very different characters. Both jumped ship very quickly to a bigger club in turmoil.

If I was on the DRFC Board I’d at least want to have a look inwardly at the reasons why, and what we can learn. Have we just been unlucky? Maybe. Are we getting everything right? Some people will tell you yes, but probably not.

I think you're reading far too much into this. The VSC twitter account is handled by a couple of people, not me I hasten to add, and there is no discussion about what they can tweet about. Absolutely none.

As for the credit that Adam Henshall has been getting from people like me then that's only because he deserves that. He's been the one doing all the hard work on the recruitment front and yet supporters kept praising DM, I was just telling it as it is. When chatting about recruitment with the club it was Adam's name that always cropped up, not Darren's.

I understand if you don't want to answer SM but are you disappointed he has gone? In a playing sense that is.

No I'm not. The trouble with laid back managers is that the players, or maybe I should say certain players, take advantage of that. GM and DM were chalk and cheese in  that respect.

Have to say I agree with this. What I thought was so impressive with McCann was that he almost seemed to drive us to a play-off place by sheer force of will. He seemed relentless in that pursuit.

Whilst having admirable qualities and morals in terms of playing football the right way and focusing on performances over results, I didn't get a sense from DM that our results and league position bothered him as much as it maybe should. He very rarely showed any sort of emotion or gave anything away on the touchline or in interviews. Not that there is anything fundamentally wrong with that if that's your vibe, but as a supporter I personally find it easier to warm to a manager when they want to balance entertaining football with a drive to carry the whole club forward with them in a sort of siege mentality. I'm not saying it's all about fist pumping, but more about belief in the whole club and striving to create a winning culture.

It almost seemed at times that this was DM's personal platform to develop players and tinker with his coaching ideas more than it was to unite the club, the fans and everyone involved and get the club going places. I'm sure that wasn't overtly the case, but it did feel a bit like it at times, especially with the loans policy.

I felt that McCann, for all his foibles as an individual, did a good job of creating that, and Butler would do well to add a bit of that ingredient into the mix as he takes over now. It's a mentality thing and I genuinely think it can be the difference between getting in the play-offs/going up and missing out.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Michael Shaw on March 01, 2021, 12:21:22 pm
No doubt he could see our chances of the playoffs are rapidly slipping away based on current performance. Even at home to Portsmouth and Plymouth we are in for a rough ride and could go 7 without a win.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: dickos1 on March 01, 2021, 12:24:50 pm
Strangely I feel more confident going into these games now he’s gone
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: bobbymax on March 01, 2021, 12:33:41 pm
Still digesting this but the more I think about it the more bizarre it becomes. Nobody would go to Wednesday while that nutter Chansiri was in charge, not unless you needed a quick payday. Moore has done us no favours and has tarnished his reputation - for what?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Draytonian III on March 01, 2021, 12:36:05 pm
So do I dickos, hopefully it will give the players the jolt they need
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Chris Black come back on March 01, 2021, 12:39:17 pm
Would take a progress one single set piece of our own that doesn’t end up with us directly surrendering possession, and the absence of Fred Karno being in charge of our defensive play when facing a threat from wide positions.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: RugbyRover on March 01, 2021, 12:39:46 pm
Wow. Didn’t expect this, although dare I say there were signs beneath the surface. If you read between the lines of the tone of the VSC Twitter account and the tone of certain posters on here over the course of time then you can, in my opinion, draw conclusions around tensions that may be bubbling. Subtle digs / shifting of credit to Adam Henshall for success has been evident for a while.

Don’t want to get drawn into a slanging match but...

Darren Moore and Grant McCann. Two very different characters. Both jumped ship very quickly to a bigger club in turmoil.

If I was on the DRFC Board I’d at least want to have a look inwardly at the reasons why, and what we can learn. Have we just been unlucky? Maybe. Are we getting everything right? Some people will tell you yes, but probably not.

I think you're reading far too much into this. The VSC twitter account is handled by a couple of people, not me I hasten to add, and there is no discussion about what they can tweet about. Absolutely none.

As for the credit that Adam Henshall has been getting from people like me then that's only because he deserves that. He's been the one doing all the hard work on the recruitment front and yet supporters kept praising DM, I was just telling it as it is. When chatting about recruitment with the club it was Adam's name that always cropped up, not Darren's.

I understand if you don't want to answer SM but are you disappointed he has gone? In a playing sense that is.

No I'm not. The trouble with laid back managers is that the players, or maybe I should say certain players, take advantage of that. GM and DM were chalk and cheese in  that respect.

Have to say I agree with this. What I thought was so impressive with McCann was that he almost seemed to drive us to a play-off place by sheer force of will. He seemed relentless in that pursuit.

Whilst having admirable qualities and morals in terms of playing football the right way and focusing on performances over results, I didn't get a sense from DM that our results and league position bothered him as much as it maybe should. He very rarely showed any sort of emotion or gave anything away on the touchline or in interviews. Not that there is anything fundamentally wrong with that if that's your vibe, but as a supporter I personally find it easier to warm to a manager when they want to balance entertaining football with a drive to carry the whole club forward with them in a sort of siege mentality. I'm not saying it's all about fist pumping, but more about belief in the whole club and striving to create a winning culture.

It almost seemed at times that this was DM's personal platform to develop players and tinker with his coaching ideas more than it was to unite the club, the fans and everyone involved and get the club going places. I'm sure that wasn't overtly the case, but it did feel a bit like it at times, especially with the loans policy.

I felt that McCann, for all his foibles as an individual, did a good job of creating that, and Butler would do well to add a bit of that ingredient into the mix as he takes over now. It's a mentality thing and I genuinely think it can be the difference between getting in the play-offs/going up and missing out.

"It almost seemed at times that this was DM's personal platform to develop players and tinker with his coaching ideas more than it was to unite the club, the fans and everyone involved and get the club going places. I'm sure that wasn't overtly the case, but it did feel a bit like it at times, especially with the loans policy"

That's a valid point. I think DM needs to understand the difference between developing players and building a winning team. I thought it might be something he grew to understand as time went by. For sure he's going to have to hit the ground running at Wednesday.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on March 01, 2021, 12:40:23 pm
Strangely I feel more confident going into these games now he’s gone

What we hear about DM behind the scenes doesn't paint a great picture and from what I understand AB has immediately put some things in place this morning at the Players meeting to redress the 'laid back' approach.

Someone mentioned about getting basics back into place and AB will certainly try to instill that.

Hopefully, he's got the other senior pros to back him up in Anderson and Copps. Indeed Bostock, who might feel a little aggrieved, will hopefully rally round and focus on the task in hand.

I'm sure we all wish AB all the best but let's recognise that making the transition from one of the boys to the 'Gaffer' is never easy.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Dare to dream! on March 01, 2021, 12:40:29 pm
Thinking about it he was in a win win situation.

He’s got a great reputation in the game which has been enhanced by the job he has done with us. He can go to Wednesday, double his money and if it doesn’t workout the chairman/board level issues can excuse the failure. He can then pick up another champ/league one job.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: ravenrover on March 01, 2021, 12:40:42 pm
Let's not forget what DM said when he got the job
I was out of work, they needed a manager
It's just the roller coaster of football, players and managers come and they go. It's purely and simply a job. You get offered something better you move on. There is no such thing as loyalty, even in the case of  our legend Copps - he jumped ship to Forest don't forget all be it on loan.
As long as DRFC exists and the board are happy to support it financially we shouldn't get too upset about things. The biggest worry to me is if or when TB decides he's had enough or GB decides to move on, that to me is far more worrying than managers or players moving on these people are the foundation of the club and are far more important than managers or players.
Lets see how Butler gets on, we can't play any worse than we have done recently, but don't judge him on the next couple of games he has to feel his way into this new position of responsibility. Some may say, probably many really judging by comments from some on this forum, that he has to hit the ground running or our season is over but in reality we are still in a strong position for a top six finish more so if we can put together a run of 4 or 5 wins over the next month.
Be patient give him a chance. JMHO
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: ravenrover on March 01, 2021, 12:42:50 pm
Strangely I feel more confident going into these games now he’s gone

What we hear about DM behind the scenes doesn't paint a great picture and from what I understand AB has immediately put some things in place this morning at the Players meeting to redress the 'laid back' approach.

Someone mentioned about getting basics back into place and AB will certainly try to instill that.

Hopefully, he's got the other senior pros to back him up in Anderson and Copps. Indeed Bostock, who might feel a little aggrieved, will hopefully rally round and focus on the task in hand.

I'm sure we all wish AB all the best but let's recognise that making the transition from one of the boys to the 'Gaffer' is never easy.
What have we heard about DM behind the scenes?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: PDX_Rover on March 01, 2021, 01:20:30 pm
I'm really not bothered that he's gone.
We were beginning to look very vulnerable, a change of direction might not be a bad thing.
Andy Butler knows the club and the players very well and hopefully can get us playing to our strengths.
We've got some very good footballers here, so it ain't rocket science to get them going again, hopefully with a new impetus on getting the ball up the pitch more quickly.

This all day long. Surprising news but I’m not really bothered. We have a good squad and are in a decent position and on Andy Butler we have someone who is intelligent, reads the game very well, knows the club inside out and who commands respect. I have a sneaking suspicion this could be a huge blessing in disguise.

Best of luck to Darren Moore at Wednesday. He will certainly need it.

Onwards.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: idler on March 01, 2021, 01:21:22 pm
Let's not forget what DM said when he got the job
I was out of work, they needed a manager
It's just the roller coaster of football, players and managers come and they go. It's purely and simply a job. You get offered something better you move on. There is no such thing as loyalty, even in the case of  our legend Copps - he jumped ship to Forest don't forget all be it on loan.
As long as DRFC exists and the board are happy to support it financially we shouldn't get too upset about things. The biggest worry to me is if or when TB decides he's had enough or GB decides to move on, that to me is far more worrying than managers or players moving on these people are the foundation of the club and are far more important than managers or players.
Lets see how Butler gets on, we can't play any worse than we have done recently, but don't judge him on the next couple of games he has to feel his way into this new position of responsibility. Some may say, probably many really judging by comments from some on this forum, that he has to hit the ground running or our season is over but in reality we are still in a strong position for a top six finish more so if we can put together a run of 4 or 5 wins over the next month.
Be patient give him a chance. JMHO

Regarding Copps, if you listen to the podcast the club wanted him off the books as a big earner. Willie McKay also wanted his own players in the shop window. The players that were there originally were all marginalised by the experiment. There were two sets of players in the dressing room and the ones that cared generally McKay's additions.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Filo on March 01, 2021, 01:22:48 pm
I'm really not bothered that he's gone.
We were beginning to look very vulnerable, a change of direction might not be a bad thing.
Andy Butler knows the club and the players very well and hopefully can get us playing to our strengths.
We've got some very good footballers here, so it ain't rocket science to get them going again, hopefully with a new impetus on getting the ball up the pitch more quickly.

This all day long. Surprising news but I’m not really bothered. We have a good squad and are in a decent position and on Andy Butler we have someone who is intelligent, reads the game very well, knows the club inside out and who commands respect. I have a sneaking suspicion this could be a huge blessing in disguise.

Best of luck to Darren Moore at Wednesday. He will certainly need it.

Onwards.

I wish him no luck, hope they get relegated and he’s sack

Honourable man?

Pfft don’t make me laugh, he’s took the piss out of everyone connected with the club
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: River Don on March 01, 2021, 01:25:19 pm
Very disappointing news. Gutting.

It just goes to show, once again, there is virtually no loyalty in football.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: drfchound on March 01, 2021, 01:43:15 pm
I also feel more confident about our chances of getting back on track now that Moore has left us.
It is a massive shame that we can’t be in the ground tomorrow to show AB our support.
I think the atmosphere would have been great.
Hopefully the squad will back Butts and want to play for him.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: phil o sophical on March 01, 2021, 01:50:28 pm
His first interview on radio dee dah should be interesting. No doubt it will have been a difficult decision to leave DRFC but he's joining a big club blah, blah , blah bullsh*t
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Filo on March 01, 2021, 01:52:29 pm
His first interview on radio dee dah should be interesting. No doubt it will have been a difficult decision to leave DRFC but he's joining a big club blah, blah , blah bullsh*t

I wonder if he’ll say yeah, no, he’s impressed with the ethos of Sheffield Wednesday and long may it continue
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: mushRTID on March 01, 2021, 01:56:33 pm
Sorry if Iv missed it but how on earth has this happened so quickly and why was he allowed to manage the team on Saturday?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: vaya on March 01, 2021, 01:57:43 pm
His first interview on radio dee dah should be interesting. No doubt it will have been a difficult decision to leave DRFC but he's joining a big club blah, blah , blah bullsh*t

I wonder if he’ll say yeah, no, he’s impressed with the ethos of Sheffield Wednesday and long may it continue

If the current ethos of Sheffield Wednesday continues they'll be the third club in the city, not the second.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Superspy on March 01, 2021, 01:58:28 pm
How long before he says "Community Club"?

I agree with a lot of what's been said in this thread. I'm hugely surprised he's gone given everything he's said and where we are at the moment...but I'm also completely indifferent to the fact he's left. If he wants to go and chase a pot of gold instead of finishing the job he started then whatever. At least he hasn't allowed our better players to leave before walking, a la McCann.

In general I like the playstyle we currently adopt, but of course we know it isn't perfect. I don't honestly think our recent performances have been as bad as some have made out - but there's plenty to improve on, and hopefully Butts can do that with these players.

But it takes time...above all else I hope we (the fans) give AB some time. Going back to basics is absolutely the right thing to do but it isn't necessarily going to get results straight away, and we shouldn't expect miracles. I'd hate for somebody like AB to go from a club hero to villain if it turns out we don't make the playoffs or whatever this year. Same reason I never want Copps to be our manager. It would hurt too much seeing him vilified if he failed.

Onwards and upwards!
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Filo on March 01, 2021, 02:00:24 pm
Sorry if Iv missed it but how on earth has this happened so quickly and why was he allowed to manage the team on Saturday?

Good question, in my opinion he should have been relieved  of the position as soon as he made it clear he wanted to speak to them, it does explain the lack of urgency to get the ball forward in the closing minutes, it appears a sense of apathy crept through the squad
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Colin C No.3 on March 01, 2021, 02:01:38 pm
Wow. Didn’t expect this, although dare I say there were signs beneath the surface. If you read between the lines of the tone of the VSC Twitter account and the tone of certain posters on here over the course of time then you can, in my opinion, draw conclusions around tensions that may be bubbling. Subtle digs / shifting of credit to Adam Henshall for success has been evident for a while.

Don’t want to get drawn into a slanging match but...

Darren Moore and Grant McCann. Two very different characters. Both jumped ship very quickly to a bigger club in turmoil.

If I was on the DRFC Board I’d at least want to have a look inwardly at the reasons why, and what we can learn. Have we just been unlucky? Maybe. Are we getting everything right? Some people will tell you yes, but probably not.

I think you're reading far too much into this. The VSC twitter account is handled by a couple of people, not me I hasten to add, and there is no discussion about what they can tweet about. Absolutely none.

As for the credit that Adam Henshall has been getting from people like me then that's only because he deserves that. He's been the one doing all the hard work on the recruitment front and yet supporters kept praising DM, I was just telling it as it is. When chatting about recruitment with the club it was Adam's name that always cropped up, not Darren's.

I understand if you don't want to answer SM but are you disappointed he has gone? In a playing sense that is.

No I'm not. The trouble with laid back managers is that the players, or maybe I should say certain players, take advantage of that. GM and DM were chalk and cheese in  that respect.
 

Do you know if he spoke to the players before he effed off Martin?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: River Don on March 01, 2021, 02:01:52 pm
David Penney was able to step up, who knows it might happen again.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: mushRTID on March 01, 2021, 02:03:51 pm
Sorry if Iv missed it but how on earth has this happened so quickly and why was he allowed to manage the team on Saturday?

Good question, in my opinion he should have been relieved  of the position as soon as he made it clear he wanted to speak to them, it does explain the lack of urgency to get the ball forward in the closing minutes, it appears a sense of apathy crept through the squad

As he was standing in our dugout this must have all been at least 90/95 % agreed?

I think it’s a disgrace he stood in our dressing room and looked our lads in the eye getting them up for the game.

Excuses should have been made and let someone committed lead the team.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: silent majority on March 01, 2021, 02:05:05 pm
Wow. Didn’t expect this, although dare I say there were signs beneath the surface. If you read between the lines of the tone of the VSC Twitter account and the tone of certain posters on here over the course of time then you can, in my opinion, draw conclusions around tensions that may be bubbling. Subtle digs / shifting of credit to Adam Henshall for success has been evident for a while.

Don’t want to get drawn into a slanging match but...

Darren Moore and Grant McCann. Two very different characters. Both jumped ship very quickly to a bigger club in turmoil.

If I was on the DRFC Board I’d at least want to have a look inwardly at the reasons why, and what we can learn. Have we just been unlucky? Maybe. Are we getting everything right? Some people will tell you yes, but probably not.

I think you're reading far too much into this. The VSC twitter account is handled by a couple of people, not me I hasten to add, and there is no discussion about what they can tweet about. Absolutely none.

As for the credit that Adam Henshall has been getting from people like me then that's only because he deserves that. He's been the one doing all the hard work on the recruitment front and yet supporters kept praising DM, I was just telling it as it is. When chatting about recruitment with the club it was Adam's name that always cropped up, not Darren's.

I understand if you don't want to answer SM but are you disappointed he has gone? In a playing sense that is.

No I'm not. The trouble with laid back managers is that the players, or maybe I should say certain players, take advantage of that. GM and DM were chalk and cheese in  that respect.
 

Do you know if he spoke to the players before he effed off Martin?

From what I understand he hasn't spoke to anybody at the club.

Gavin spoke to the players this morning at Cantley park.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: silent majority on March 01, 2021, 02:06:25 pm
Sorry if Iv missed it but how on earth has this happened so quickly and why was he allowed to manage the team on Saturday?

Good question, in my opinion he should have been relieved  of the position as soon as he made it clear he wanted to speak to them, it does explain the lack of urgency to get the ball forward in the closing minutes, it appears a sense of apathy crept through the squad

As he was standing in our dugout this must have all been at least 90/95 % agreed?

I think it’s a disgrace he stood in our dressing room and looked our lads in the eye getting them up for the game.

Excuses should have been made and let someone committed lead the team.

You can't do that.

The club were approached on Saturday but no decision had been made, you can't suspend the manager at that point.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: mushRTID on March 01, 2021, 02:10:04 pm
Sorry if Iv missed it but how on earth has this happened so quickly and why was he allowed to manage the team on Saturday?

Good question, in my opinion he should have been relieved  of the position as soon as he made it clear he wanted to speak to them, it does explain the lack of urgency to get the ball forward in the closing minutes, it appears a sense of apathy crept through the squad

As he was standing in our dugout this must have all been at least 90/95 % agreed?

I think it’s a disgrace he stood in our dressing room and looked our lads in the eye getting them up for the game.

Excuses should have been made and let someone committed lead the team.

You can't do that.

The club were approached on Saturday but no decision had been made, you can't suspend the manager at that point.


That’s Fair enough - out of interest what time was the approach? I assume in the evening after Wednesday defeat?

In which case this all got agreed yesterday and he’s now stood in SWFC gear taking training? Not for me, he’s definitely been flirting with them for weeks hasn’t he.

Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: ravenrover on March 01, 2021, 02:16:49 pm
Let's not forget what DM said when he got the job
I was out of work, they needed a manager
It's just the roller coaster of football, players and managers come and they go. It's purely and simply a job. You get offered something better you move on. There is no such thing as loyalty, even in the case of  our legend Copps - he jumped ship to Forest don't forget all be it on loan.
As long as DRFC exists and the board are happy to support it financially we shouldn't get too upset about things. The biggest worry to me is if or when TB decides he's had enough or GB decides to move on, that to me is far more worrying than managers or players moving on these people are the foundation of the club and are far more important than managers or players.
Lets see how Butler gets on, we can't play any worse than we have done recently, but don't judge him on the next couple of games he has to feel his way into this new position of responsibility. Some may say, probably many really judging by comments from some on this forum, that he has to hit the ground running or our season is over but in reality we are still in a strong position for a top six finish more so if we can put together a run of 4 or 5 wins over the next month.
Be patient give him a chance. JMHO

Regarding Copps, if you listen to the podcast the club wanted him off the books as a big earner. Willie McKay also wanted his own players in the shop window. The players that were there originally were all marginalised by the experiment. There were two sets of players in the dressing room and the ones that cared generally McKay's additions.
If they wanted him off the books what changed?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Copps is Magic on March 01, 2021, 02:18:31 pm
Wow. Didn’t expect this, although dare I say there were signs beneath the surface. If you read between the lines of the tone of the VSC Twitter account and the tone of certain posters on here over the course of time then you can, in my opinion, draw conclusions around tensions that may be bubbling. Subtle digs / shifting of credit to Adam Henshall for success has been evident for a while.

Don’t want to get drawn into a slanging match but...

Darren Moore and Grant McCann. Two very different characters. Both jumped ship very quickly to a bigger club in turmoil.

If I was on the DRFC Board I’d at least want to have a look inwardly at the reasons why, and what we can learn. Have we just been unlucky? Maybe. Are we getting everything right? Some people will tell you yes, but probably not.

I think you're reading far too much into this. The VSC twitter account is handled by a couple of people, not me I hasten to add, and there is no discussion about what they can tweet about. Absolutely none.

As for the credit that Adam Henshall has been getting from people like me then that's only because he deserves that. He's been the one doing all the hard work on the recruitment front and yet supporters kept praising DM, I was just telling it as it is. When chatting about recruitment with the club it was Adam's name that always cropped up, not Darren's.

I understand if you don't want to answer SM but are you disappointed he has gone? In a playing sense that is.

No I'm not. The trouble with laid back managers is that the players, or maybe I should say certain players, take advantage of that. GM and DM were chalk and cheese in  that respect.
 

Do you know if he spoke to the players before he effed off Martin?

From what I understand he hasn't spoke to anybody at the club.

Gavin spoke to the players this morning at Cantley park.

Poor.

Just seeing the quotes coming out now in the media from his first interview. It is clear he did not even blink with the decision.

His regard for us seems to be very low indeed.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: jamesrover17 on March 01, 2021, 02:18:53 pm
Sorry if Iv missed it but how on earth has this happened so quickly and why was he allowed to manage the team on Saturday?

Good question, in my opinion he should have been relieved  of the position as soon as he made it clear he wanted to speak to them, it does explain the lack of urgency to get the ball forward in the closing minutes, it appears a sense of apathy crept through the squad

As he was standing in our dugout this must have all been at least 90/95 % agreed?

I think it’s a disgrace he stood in our dressing room and looked our lads in the eye getting them up for the game.

Excuses should have been made and let someone committed lead the team.

You can't do that.

The club were approached on Saturday but no decision had been made, you can't suspend the manager at that point.


That’s Fair enough - out of interest what time was the approach? I assume in the evening after Wednesday defeat?

In which case this all got agreed yesterday and he’s now stood in SWFC gear taking training? Not for me, he’s definitely been flirting with them for weeks hasn’t he.



Got to agree with this, bet he was sounded out well before... Is that not the definition of tapping up?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: mushRTID on March 01, 2021, 02:24:34 pm
Wow. Didn’t expect this, although dare I say there were signs beneath the surface. If you read between the lines of the tone of the VSC Twitter account and the tone of certain posters on here over the course of time then you can, in my opinion, draw conclusions around tensions that may be bubbling. Subtle digs / shifting of credit to Adam Henshall for success has been evident for a while.

Don’t want to get drawn into a slanging match but...

Darren Moore and Grant McCann. Two very different characters. Both jumped ship very quickly to a bigger club in turmoil.

If I was on the DRFC Board I’d at least want to have a look inwardly at the reasons why, and what we can learn. Have we just been unlucky? Maybe. Are we getting everything right? Some people will tell you yes, but probably not.

I think you're reading far too much into this. The VSC twitter account is handled by a couple of people, not me I hasten to add, and there is no discussion about what they can tweet about. Absolutely none.

As for the credit that Adam Henshall has been getting from people like me then that's only because he deserves that. He's been the one doing all the hard work on the recruitment front and yet supporters kept praising DM, I was just telling it as it is. When chatting about recruitment with the club it was Adam's name that always cropped up, not Darren's.

I understand if you don't want to answer SM but are you disappointed he has gone? In a playing sense that is.

No I'm not. The trouble with laid back managers is that the players, or maybe I should say certain players, take advantage of that. GM and DM were chalk and cheese in  that respect.
 

Do you know if he spoke to the players before he effed off Martin?

From what I understand he hasn't spoke to anybody at the club.

Gavin spoke to the players this morning at Cantley park.

Poor.

Just seeing the quotes coming out now in the media from his first interview. It is clear he did not even blink with the decision.

His regard for us seems to be very low indeed.

He’s barely mentioned us, but he’s now just said he thinks David Blunt will be pleased for him.

I think Darren might be a little bit deluded
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: EasyforDennis on March 01, 2021, 02:27:56 pm
Wow. Didn’t expect this, although dare I say there were signs beneath the surface. If you read between the lines of the tone of the VSC Twitter account and the tone of certain posters on here over the course of time then you can, in my opinion, draw conclusions around tensions that may be bubbling. Subtle digs / shifting of credit to Adam Henshall for success has been evident for a while.

Don’t want to get drawn into a slanging match but...

Darren Moore and Grant McCann. Two very different characters. Both jumped ship very quickly to a bigger club in turmoil.

If I was on the DRFC Board I’d at least want to have a look inwardly at the reasons why, and what we can learn. Have we just been unlucky? Maybe. Are we getting everything right? Some people will tell you yes, but probably not.

I think you're reading far too much into this. The VSC twitter account is handled by a couple of people, not me I hasten to add, and there is no discussion about what they can tweet about. Absolutely none.

As for the credit that Adam Henshall has been getting from people like me then that's only because he deserves that. He's been the one doing all the hard work on the recruitment front and yet supporters kept praising DM, I was just telling it as it is. When chatting about recruitment with the club it was Adam's name that always cropped up, not Darren's.

I understand if you don't want to answer SM but are you disappointed he has gone? In a playing sense that is.

No I'm not. The trouble with laid back managers is that the players, or maybe I should say certain players, take advantage of that. GM and DM were chalk and cheese in  that respect.
 

Do you know if he spoke to the players before he effed off Martin?

From what I understand he hasn't spoke to anybody at the club.

Gavin spoke to the players this morning at Cantley park.

Poor.

Just seeing the quotes coming out now in the media from his first interview. It is clear he did not even blink with the decision.

His regard for us seems to be very low indeed.

He’s barely mentioned us, but he’s now just said he thinks David Blunt will be pleased for him.

I think Darren might be a little bit deluded

Pleased for him? or pleased for us?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on March 01, 2021, 02:32:22 pm
Wow. Didn’t expect this, although dare I say there were signs beneath the surface. If you read between the lines of the tone of the VSC Twitter account and the tone of certain posters on here over the course of time then you can, in my opinion, draw conclusions around tensions that may be bubbling. Subtle digs / shifting of credit to Adam Henshall for success has been evident for a while.

Don’t want to get drawn into a slanging match but...

Darren Moore and Grant McCann. Two very different characters. Both jumped ship very quickly to a bigger club in turmoil.

If I was on the DRFC Board I’d at least want to have a look inwardly at the reasons why, and what we can learn. Have we just been unlucky? Maybe. Are we getting everything right? Some people will tell you yes, but probably not.

I think you're reading far too much into this. The VSC twitter account is handled by a couple of people, not me I hasten to add, and there is no discussion about what they can tweet about. Absolutely none.

As for the credit that Adam Henshall has been getting from people like me then that's only because he deserves that. He's been the one doing all the hard work on the recruitment front and yet supporters kept praising DM, I was just telling it as it is. When chatting about recruitment with the club it was Adam's name that always cropped up, not Darren's.

I understand if you don't want to answer SM but are you disappointed he has gone? In a playing sense that is.

No I'm not. The trouble with laid back managers is that the players, or maybe I should say certain players, take advantage of that. GM and DM were chalk and cheese in  that respect.

Have to say I agree with this. What I thought was so impressive with McCann was that he almost seemed to drive us to a play-off place by sheer force of will. He seemed relentless in that pursuit.

Whilst having admirable qualities and morals in terms of playing football the right way and focusing on performances over results, I didn't get a sense from DM that our results and league position bothered him as much as it maybe should. He very rarely showed any sort of emotion or gave anything away on the touchline or in interviews. Not that there is anything fundamentally wrong with that if that's your vibe, but as a supporter I personally find it easier to warm to a manager when they want to balance entertaining football with a drive to carry the whole club forward with them in a sort of siege mentality. I'm not saying it's all about fist pumping, but more about belief in the whole club and striving to create a winning culture.

It almost seemed at times that this was DM's personal platform to develop players and tinker with his coaching ideas more than it was to unite the club, the fans and everyone involved and get the club going places. I'm sure that wasn't overtly the case, but it did feel a bit like it at times, especially with the loans policy.

I felt that McCann, for all his foibles as an individual, did a good job of creating that, and Butler would do well to add a bit of that ingredient into the mix as he takes over now. It's a mentality thing and I genuinely think it can be the difference between getting in the play-offs/going up and missing out.

Easy to forget how s very, very good squad saw results fade away at the end of 2018/19. We ended the season with this run:

P20 W7 D7 L6

That's about 10-11th place form over a season. And we frequently looked disjointed and lacking purpose. To me, the performance at Charlton was so notable because it was so very different from what we'd seen for the past few months. And even that wasn't enough because of our insipid performance in the home leg.

WAY too much credit is given to McCann in my opinion. Given the resources and support he had, he certainly didn't overachieve.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on March 01, 2021, 02:33:06 pm
As for Moore, the man has lost his marbles. As poisoned chalices go, this is full of hemlock and made of cyanide.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: mushRTID on March 01, 2021, 02:33:18 pm
Sorry if Iv missed it but how on earth has this happened so quickly and why was he allowed to manage the team on Saturday?

Good question, in my opinion he should have been relieved  of the position as soon as he made it clear he wanted to speak to them, it does explain the lack of urgency to get the ball forward in the closing minutes, it appears a sense of apathy crept through the squad

As he was standing in our dugout this must have all been at least 90/95 % agreed?

I think it’s a disgrace he stood in our dressing room and looked our lads in the eye getting them up for the game.

Excuses should have been made and let someone committed lead the team.

You can't do that.

The club were approached on Saturday but no decision had been made, you can't suspend the manager at that point.


Just watched Liam Hodens video on twitter and he says the approach was Friday and that BEFORE kick off on Saturday, Moore had told the club he wanted to talk to them.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Barmby Rover on March 01, 2021, 02:34:07 pm
Showing his good Christian values of course. "30 pieces of silver? No problem mate, what do you want me to do?"
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Lesonthewest on March 01, 2021, 02:37:56 pm
If he signs any of our players out of contract then that’s an utter disgrace

If the club allowed that to happen,  I'd be done.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: pib on March 01, 2021, 02:38:27 pm
Wow. Didn’t expect this, although dare I say there were signs beneath the surface. If you read between the lines of the tone of the VSC Twitter account and the tone of certain posters on here over the course of time then you can, in my opinion, draw conclusions around tensions that may be bubbling. Subtle digs / shifting of credit to Adam Henshall for success has been evident for a while.

Don’t want to get drawn into a slanging match but...

Darren Moore and Grant McCann. Two very different characters. Both jumped ship very quickly to a bigger club in turmoil.

If I was on the DRFC Board I’d at least want to have a look inwardly at the reasons why, and what we can learn. Have we just been unlucky? Maybe. Are we getting everything right? Some people will tell you yes, but probably not.

I think you're reading far too much into this. The VSC twitter account is handled by a couple of people, not me I hasten to add, and there is no discussion about what they can tweet about. Absolutely none.

As for the credit that Adam Henshall has been getting from people like me then that's only because he deserves that. He's been the one doing all the hard work on the recruitment front and yet supporters kept praising DM, I was just telling it as it is. When chatting about recruitment with the club it was Adam's name that always cropped up, not Darren's.

I understand if you don't want to answer SM but are you disappointed he has gone? In a playing sense that is.

No I'm not. The trouble with laid back managers is that the players, or maybe I should say certain players, take advantage of that. GM and DM were chalk and cheese in  that respect.

Have to say I agree with this. What I thought was so impressive with McCann was that he almost seemed to drive us to a play-off place by sheer force of will. He seemed relentless in that pursuit.

Whilst having admirable qualities and morals in terms of playing football the right way and focusing on performances over results, I didn't get a sense from DM that our results and league position bothered him as much as it maybe should. He very rarely showed any sort of emotion or gave anything away on the touchline or in interviews. Not that there is anything fundamentally wrong with that if that's your vibe, but as a supporter I personally find it easier to warm to a manager when they want to balance entertaining football with a drive to carry the whole club forward with them in a sort of siege mentality. I'm not saying it's all about fist pumping, but more about belief in the whole club and striving to create a winning culture.

It almost seemed at times that this was DM's personal platform to develop players and tinker with his coaching ideas more than it was to unite the club, the fans and everyone involved and get the club going places. I'm sure that wasn't overtly the case, but it did feel a bit like it at times, especially with the loans policy.

I felt that McCann, for all his foibles as an individual, did a good job of creating that, and Butler would do well to add a bit of that ingredient into the mix as he takes over now. It's a mentality thing and I genuinely think it can be the difference between getting in the play-offs/going up and missing out.

Easy to forget how s very, very good squad saw results fade away at the end of 2018/19. We ended the season with this run:

P20 W7 D7 L6

That's about 10-11th place form over a season. And we frequently looked disjointed and lacking purpose. To me, the performance at Charlton was so notable because it was so very different from what we'd seen for the past few months. And even that wasn't enough because of our insipid performance in the home leg.

WAY too much credit is given to McCann in my opinion. Given the resources and support he had, he certainly didn't overachieve.

Well we finished 15th the year before with largely the same group of players, and is the only manager to get us into the L1 play-offs since we came down from the Championship the second time around. Give him as little credit as you want but he clearly got something right, and had (by many accounts) very similar resources to the managers immediately before and after him.

Even so, not really the point I was making anyway.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Superspy on March 01, 2021, 02:38:40 pm
If he signs any of our players out of contract then that’s an utter disgrace

If the club allowed that to happen,  I'd be done.

How exactly do you think they could stop it?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Metalmicky on March 01, 2021, 02:39:34 pm
Well fook me - been busy at work all day and only just seen this.  I'm surprised, but not amazed.  What surprises me more is that he has left without a backward glance...
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: idler on March 01, 2021, 02:40:18 pm
You would think that after the way WBA got rid when they were near the top would have put him off managing a team in the bottom three.
Unless he thought Rovers would do the same as WBA with our bad run.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Metalmicky on March 01, 2021, 02:48:57 pm
Let's hope that the lads and Butts feel as let down by Moore's departure as our fans do, and that it galvanises them into taking this league by the scruff of the neck.   
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Bessie Red on March 01, 2021, 02:50:36 pm
The players only found at training this morning so I doubt it!
SM has this been going on a while ?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on March 01, 2021, 02:54:18 pm
Strangely I feel more confident going into these games now he’s gone

What we hear about DM behind the scenes doesn't paint a great picture and from what I understand AB has immediately put some things in place this morning at the Players meeting to redress the 'laid back' approach.

Someone mentioned about getting basics back into place and AB will certainly try to instill that.

Hopefully, he's got the other senior pros to back him up in Anderson and Copps. Indeed Bostock, who might feel a little aggrieved, will hopefully rally round and focus on the task in hand.

I'm sure we all wish AB all the best but let's recognise that making the transition from one of the boys to the 'Gaffer' is never easy.
What have we heard about DM behind the scenes?

Well S_M has eluded to some issues on this very thread and I have spoken to someone at the club this morning which supports S_Ms feedback.

You may also recall the hint of frustration with him over his transfer dealings and being uncomfortable when confronted by the press with certain difficult questions. I've always given him the benefit of doubt as long as he gets the team to perform however, it does appear he was a bit short of some of the standards you expect from a manager. That said, I understand the club are disappointed he's taken the decision to leave.

It is what it is, and we have to move on so we should give Andy Butler all the support and encouragement.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: VikingRich on March 01, 2021, 02:55:25 pm
What odds will people give me that Moore says "wonderful" more than 8 times in his first interview.....wonderful opportunity, wonderful fans, wonderful club, wonderful players.......
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: RugbyRover on March 01, 2021, 02:56:46 pm
Our board must feel like one of those little old ladies who get hoodwinked by an odious despicable conman. She lets them inside her home, then gets duped into giving them have her life savings.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: silent majority on March 01, 2021, 02:57:05 pm
Sorry if Iv missed it but how on earth has this happened so quickly and why was he allowed to manage the team on Saturday?

Good question, in my opinion he should have been relieved  of the position as soon as he made it clear he wanted to speak to them, it does explain the lack of urgency to get the ball forward in the closing minutes, it appears a sense of apathy crept through the squad

As he was standing in our dugout this must have all been at least 90/95 % agreed?

I think it’s a disgrace he stood in our dressing room and looked our lads in the eye getting them up for the game.

Excuses should have been made and let someone committed lead the team.

You can't do that.

The club were approached on Saturday but no decision had been made, you can't suspend the manager at that point.


Just watched Liam Hodens video on twitter and he says the approach was Friday and that BEFORE kick off on Saturday, Moore had told the club he wanted to talk to them.

The initial enquiry was made on Friday, and was then officially made on Saturday morning. But we didn't give permission at that point. Permission was given later in the day.

I still don't see how you can suspend the manager before kick off bearing in mind that permission had not been given.

And at that point the board had not discussed it either.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Wiltshire Exile on March 01, 2021, 02:57:19 pm
How Darren became Owls’ maanager over the weekend, (from  their forum),

https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/298753-darren-moore-how-he-became-our-manager-over-the-weekend/
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Bessie Red on March 01, 2021, 03:00:32 pm
Silent Majority stated that this has been a big distraction behind the scenes which by implication suggests it has been going on a while. However reports are stating that they only made their official approach to speak to him on Friday. Is SM able to elaborate as it would be strangely comforting if we could lay our recent poor form squarely at the door of this issue rumbling on behind the scenes!  As that issue has now resolved itself we would hopefully be able to rediscover our mojo you would hope.
The players only found out at training this morning so I doubt it would have been going on before Saturday!
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Bessie Red on March 01, 2021, 03:08:00 pm
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2021/march/butler-appointed-manager-until-the-end-of-the-season/


Andy Butler takes over.


Martin - anything else you can tell us at this time?

Well, let me say I'm glad he's gone. It's been a complete distraction.

We have been adequately compensated and AB was always the contingency plan, which shows we were prepared if something like this did happen.



Has this affected recent performances then do you think?
Who knows. It’s possible.
It wont have done as the players only found out today at training & that's from a member of the first team squad.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: MachoMadness on March 01, 2021, 03:13:09 pm
Wow. Didn’t expect this, although dare I say there were signs beneath the surface. If you read between the lines of the tone of the VSC Twitter account and the tone of certain posters on here over the course of time then you can, in my opinion, draw conclusions around tensions that may be bubbling. Subtle digs / shifting of credit to Adam Henshall for success has been evident for a while.

Don’t want to get drawn into a slanging match but...

Darren Moore and Grant McCann. Two very different characters. Both jumped ship very quickly to a bigger club in turmoil.

If I was on the DRFC Board I’d at least want to have a look inwardly at the reasons why, and what we can learn. Have we just been unlucky? Maybe. Are we getting everything right? Some people will tell you yes, but probably not.

I think you're reading far too much into this. The VSC twitter account is handled by a couple of people, not me I hasten to add, and there is no discussion about what they can tweet about. Absolutely none.

As for the credit that Adam Henshall has been getting from people like me then that's only because he deserves that. He's been the one doing all the hard work on the recruitment front and yet supporters kept praising DM, I was just telling it as it is. When chatting about recruitment with the club it was Adam's name that always cropped up, not Darren's.

I understand if you don't want to answer SM but are you disappointed he has gone? In a playing sense that is.

No I'm not. The trouble with laid back managers is that the players, or maybe I should say certain players, take advantage of that. GM and DM were chalk and cheese in  that respect.
 

Do you know if he spoke to the players before he effed off Martin?

From what I understand he hasn't spoke to anybody at the club.

Gavin spoke to the players this morning at Cantley park.

Poor.

Just seeing the quotes coming out now in the media from his first interview. It is clear he did not even blink with the decision.

His regard for us seems to be very low indeed.
I agree with this. I've tried not to get too personal about it but this is very poor from him. Can see why there's a lot of bad feeling towards him at the club, which was barely disguised in Blunt's statement.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: wing commander on March 01, 2021, 03:13:27 pm
   As if by miracle his old mate Paul Williams was at SW6 on the training pitch for his first day today... That was a quick appointment for his backroom staff to say this only happened late yesterday..
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Barnie41 on March 01, 2021, 03:15:49 pm
Well, didn't see that move coming at all. Obviously I watch what happens at S6 and will be watching more closely now.
Hopefully Rovers will kick on again and use this as motivation to drive on to the end of the season.
I think he's really got his work cut out at Hillsborough. Rumours are rife over here as to how bad things are.
I wish him luck, but if you do what you need to (and can) you and our blue and white friends will be swapping leagues come May.

Good luck, let's have SUFC v DRFC derbies next season

⚽️⚔
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Lesonthewest on March 01, 2021, 03:15:55 pm
If he signs any of our players out of contract then that’s an utter disgrace

If the club allowed that to happen,  I'd be done.

How exactly do you think they could stop it?

By sorting out new contracts I would have thought.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Avsuptem on March 01, 2021, 03:16:03 pm
An extraordinary and appalling turn of events even by the diminished integrity standard of English football. The players have put their faith in DM and now Andy Butler has the daunting task of trying to rebuild team morale.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: ravenrover on March 01, 2021, 03:18:15 pm
Feel more sorry for the board and owners
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Superspy on March 01, 2021, 03:19:21 pm
If he signs any of our players out of contract then that’s an utter disgrace

If the club allowed that to happen,  I'd be done.

How exactly do you think they could stop it?

By sorting out new contracts I would have thought.

I thought that might be the implication, but it's not like the club can force a player to sign a new contract. If a player wants to run his contract down and move to SW on a free there's literally nothing "the club" can do about it.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Michael Gibson on March 01, 2021, 03:27:37 pm
These rolling contracts are a joke.... it’s obvious we get good managers and lose them as soon as we get going..... sorry but the board carry the can on this, they didn’t learn after McCann and now this....
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: pib on March 01, 2021, 03:29:40 pm
These rolling contracts are a joke.... it’s obvious we get good managers and lose them as soon as we get going..... sorry but the board carry the can on this, they didn’t learn after McCann and now this....

I don't really understand how it's the rolling contract that is the issue? Surely a contract with a constantly renewing expiration date gives the club more security than one that has a finite end date and allows the manager to run it down?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Lesonthewest on March 01, 2021, 03:32:06 pm
If he signs any of our players out of contract then that’s an utter disgrace

If the club allowed that to happen,  I'd be done.

How exactly do you think they could stop it?

By sorting out new contracts I would have thought.

I thought that might be the implication, but it's not like the club can force a player to sign a new contract. If a player wants to run his contract down and move to SW on a free there's literally nothing "the club" can do about it.
Yes I know, but they can be proactive & try, & I'm not suggesting for one minute they won't. If then the player refuses then fine.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Bollinger on March 01, 2021, 03:35:53 pm
These rolling contracts are a joke.... it’s obvious we get good managers and lose them as soon as we get going..... sorry but the board carry the can on this, they didn’t learn after McCann and now this....

Or we could, Ipswich Town style, hand out a 4 year contract to tie the manager in and then have to get shut 6 months later when the penny drops that you’re drifting sideways with no prospect of the situation changing anytime soon.

I don’t see the rolling contract as being the root of all evil. Dean Saunders was on a three 3 deal and he still sodded off at the earliest opportunity.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: wilts rover on March 01, 2021, 03:38:06 pm
These rolling contracts are a joke.... it’s obvious we get good managers and lose them as soon as we get going..... sorry but the board carry the can on this, they didn’t learn after McCann and now this....

Why, don't managers on a fixed term contract move then?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: wilts rover on March 01, 2021, 03:41:08 pm
Very disappointing - but then again to the people who have for the last few weeks been questioning the judgement of a bloke who has jsut taken the managers job at Wednesday - maybe you had a point.

Good luck Butts, hope you acn do enough in the next few weeks to get the job permanently. At least we know you are committed to Rovers.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Spud on March 01, 2021, 03:41:21 pm
Thinking from DM's CV point of view; seen to have done a good job for us, in a good position for promotion, no need to actually see the job through. Wednesday can't get much worse, he can only improve them in all probability, & even then they're expected to be relegated anyway. Then they're the biggest fish in league one, shouldn't be out of the question to gain a promotion.
In the meantime, big pay rise.

McCann history repeating, as shocked I am, we should all know better.

Let's hope everyone gets behind Butts, this could be a change we actually needed.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: idler on March 01, 2021, 03:44:16 pm
There’s no guarantee that they will stick with DM if relegated though judging by previous strategy.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Metalmicky on March 01, 2021, 03:53:07 pm
DM has a job on at Wednesday.  Just seen that after Rotherham on Wednesday the play Reading followed by Norwich and then have two derbies against Hudders and Barnsley....  I would love it if we swapped leagues.... would bloody love it.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: jmt23 on March 01, 2021, 04:17:30 pm
This is way worse than what Mcann did, a least we had some time to adapt - I get people feeling let down, and questioning his moral compass, but why swallow the rhetoric - it is false, and always will be from players to managers. If a bigger job comes form a bigger club, with more money, they go.

Its sad, and it beggars belief the club he has chosen to go too, given what is reported about them and the rediculous manager turnover. I hope he gets everything he deserves, he achieved nothing with us, we are no further forwards nor backwards.
:rtid:
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Pancho Regan on March 01, 2021, 04:21:15 pm

It is a massive shame that we can’t be in the ground tomorrow to show AB our support.
I think the atmosphere would have been great.


My thoughts exactly hound.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Filo on March 01, 2021, 04:22:30 pm
I’d like to hear Butlers thoughts, theres surely a pre match presser today
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: 5minstogo on March 01, 2021, 04:36:27 pm
   As if by miracle his old mate Paul Williams was at SW6 on the training pitch for his first day today... That was a quick appointment for his backroom staff to say this only happened late yesterday..

Hardest part is getting them over the line.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on March 01, 2021, 04:39:41 pm
I’d like to hear Butlers thoughts, theres surely a pre match presser today

He has been doing some press stuff. Just seen he's retired from playing.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Filo on March 01, 2021, 04:40:34 pm
   As if by miracle his old mate Paul Williams was at SW6 on the training pitch for his first day today... That was a quick appointment for his backroom staff to say this only happened late yesterday..

Hardest part is getting them over the line.

Sheff Wed didn’t find getting him over the line hard, in fact he was there before they finished asking him
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Woodhead Passer on March 01, 2021, 04:44:58 pm
It's written in the stars isn't it?

Doncaster Rovers v Hull City in the Play-off Final at Wembley. Andy Butler vs Grant McCann.

Coppinger scores the winner to take us up on his last ever professional game. Butler gets one over McCann after being shafted by him at the end of the 2018/19 season.

Whilst Darren Moore gets sacked by Sheffield Wednesday as he's unable to avoid relegation.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Jonathan on March 01, 2021, 04:48:44 pm
When players and managers leave it seems to spark an initial knee-jerk reaction amongst a club’s fanbase, which is understandable but some of it a little harsh. DM hasn’t suddenly become a bad manager, or a bad person, overnight. I’ll still hold him in high regard for everything he’s done for us on and off the pitch. He was always likely to be courted by a bigger club at some point. Much like McCann, he’s jumped at the first opportunity to go to a club in turmoil. It’s disappointing. I’d like to know why to some degree, but I can also understand it.

From a purely footballing perspective I think I miss Grant McCann more than I’ll miss Darren Moore. For me, the football we played under McCann has been bettered only by the very best times under O’Driscoll and Penney (in my lifetime). DM had us playing some nice stuff and getting some good results (at times) but it never fully took off in my opinion. Sometimes I was a bit bored watching us. I never felt that under McCann.

On the moral principle, I don’t see how we can lambast McCann and Moore for the nature of their departures, but not acknowledge the fact that Butler will immediately leave the Belles managerless. This is simply how the food chain works, isn’t it?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Fal on March 01, 2021, 04:50:38 pm
Like others i am shocked and disappointed by the news and can only assume it has impacted our recent poor run of form in some way shape or form.

I think my concern as a fan from the outside it just looks like there is something not right within the club (especially since the comments that Dickov mentioned) that is making these managers want to leave at the first sniff of another job? Now obviously i read all comments from SM and that reassures me but it is definitely concerning regarding the current trend in managers.

Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Superspy on March 01, 2021, 04:50:50 pm

From a purely footballing perspective I think I miss Grant McCann more than I’ll miss Darren Moore. For me, the football we played under McCann has been bettered only by the very best times under O’Driscoll and Penny (in my lifetime). DM had us playing some nice stuff and getting some good results (at times) but it never fully took off in my opinion. Sometimes I was a bit bored watching us. I never felt that under McCann.

I think you've just pretty much nailed why I feel so indifferent about DM leaving. I'm quite excited about the next match now.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Bentley Bullet on March 01, 2021, 04:55:15 pm
Could Butler's first job be to beef up the defence by bringing in some of the Belles players?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: jmt23 on March 01, 2021, 05:03:57 pm
I would actually play John just behind the midfield, and infant of the defence. Let them go wandering while John holds and break up play Makelele style.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: KeithMyath on March 01, 2021, 05:07:38 pm
I'm not shocked DM has gone to Wednesday, Just shocked at how quickly he has thrown the towel in here with little regard for the club and more importantly the owners who have backed him. If anyone would have said that I would be more dismayed on DM's conduct at leaving DRFC than his predecessor I would have laughed in their face. Where is the integrity?. Maybe this is what you get when you take on former players as managers, no allegiance to a club is greater than £££ it seems, welcome to the new norm...
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on March 01, 2021, 05:25:23 pm
To a point, it's the controversial owners making poor decisions that make the managerial merry go round even faster, throwing good money after bad.

From our perspective, I don't know what the answer is as whether it's a rolling contract or a fixed term, when another bigger club comes flashing the cash, the outcome is likely to be the same.

I certainly wouldn't be paying over the odds or what we can't afford to a manager until they've proven their worth. DM hasn't completed a season yet although the first one was out of his hands.

 
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: tyke1962 on March 01, 2021, 05:26:30 pm
I couldn't believe it when a lad at work told me this morning that Moore had done one to S6 .

What an absolute kick in the ballax for everyone connected to your club .

Why he wanted to leave to go there is anybody's guess , you wouldn't mind so much if he'd landed a decent job at a good club but feck me it's a train crash over there .

How's about finishing the one you started at Rovers Darren ?

Huge mistake on his part and if there's any justice you'll be swapping places with them at the end of the season .
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on March 01, 2021, 05:38:46 pm
Yep, appears there's very little incentive to actually achieve something.

At least McCann got us to the play off semi final. Had we have done the job and gone up then we might not be having this discussion. Then again.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: godlike1 on March 01, 2021, 05:39:07 pm
I couldn't believe it when a lad at work told me this morning that Moore had done one to S6 .

What an absolute kick in the ballax for everyone connected to your club .

Why he wanted to leave to go there is anybody's guess , you wouldn't mind so much if he'd landed a decent job at a good club but feck me it's a train crash over there .

How's about finishing the one you started at Rovers Darren ?

Huge mistake on his part and if there's any justice you'll be swapping places with them at the end of the season .

Agreed tyke. Given the level of press exposure across the country to this everyone seems to be scratching their heads.

If we did not get up this season I think, as fans we would expect DM to go and be headhunted and wish him all the best. Just seems that he has said screw you all to everyone at the club including the players he got in during the jan transfer window.

His move will unrest those out of contract for sure esp if he keeps Wednesday up which he is more than capable of doing. His move will have a much bigger impact. Its people like him n McCann that are actually the ones making me fall out of love with football.

What has been going on behind the scenes at drfc though? SM has made it seem there has been unrest for a while
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Janso on March 01, 2021, 05:46:35 pm
f**king cock.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: turnbull for england on March 01, 2021, 05:47:31 pm
I  can cope with him leaving on a football level, it was bound to happen eventually and a WBA fan at his appointment warned of lack of plan b  and odd decisions which appears to have been becoming true here so it might be a blessing . Im more pissed that I believed his shpeil about  club Doncaster  and the club ethos which is demonstrably b*llocks or  Wednesday wouldn't have got a look in . As others have said we know it's a short career and chances come and go , but if he didn't think there  was going to be anything better than them, maybe he's not the man we thought
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: tyke1962 on March 01, 2021, 05:50:04 pm
I've always had massive respect for Darren Moore and the job he did for us at centre back that kept us in the championship over  a decade ago .

I thought he was hard done by at WBA too when he got the sack with Albion still very much in the championship promotion race .

But I have to say he's gone down in my estimations today .

Shytehouse trick and gone to a shytehouse club .

Maybe they deserve one another .
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Juddy on March 01, 2021, 05:57:15 pm
There was me assuming Darren was an intelligent bloke! P v O thread Rotherham to win
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: VikingRich on March 01, 2021, 06:02:48 pm
"Intelligent" isn't a word I would use to describe him. A good footballing mind yes but intelligent - definitely not. Just listen to his interviews!
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: drfchound on March 01, 2021, 06:14:18 pm
It's written in the stars isn't it?

Doncaster Rovers v Hull City in the Play-off Final at Wembley. Andy Butler vs Grant McCann.

Coppinger scores the winner to take us up on his last ever professional game. Butler gets one over McCann after being shafted by him at the end of the 2018/19 season.

Whilst Darren Moore gets sacked by Sheffield Wednesday as he's unable to avoid relegation.

 :thumbsup:






In the words of the song.......Let it be, Let it be.......
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Janso on March 01, 2021, 06:16:57 pm
"Intelligent" isn't a word I would use to describe him. A good footballing mind yes but intelligent - definitely not. Just listen to his interviews!

I always felt like he used bigger words to try and make himself sound dead intelligent in interviews but he often came across as though he was waffling.

Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: JonWallsend on March 01, 2021, 06:18:55 pm
When players and managers leave it seems to spark an initial knee-jerk reaction amongst a club’s fanbase, which is understandable but some of it a little harsh. DM hasn’t suddenly become a bad manager, or a bad person, overnight. I’ll still hold him in high regard for everything he’s done for us on and off the pitch. He was always likely to be courted by a bigger club at some point. Much like McCann, he’s jumped at the first opportunity to go to a club in turmoil. It’s disappointing. I’d like to know why to some degree, but I can also understand it.

From a purely footballing perspective I think I miss Grant McCann more than I’ll miss Darren Moore. For me, the football we played under McCann has been bettered only by the very best times under O’Driscoll and Penney (in my lifetime). DM had us playing some nice stuff and getting some good results (at times) but it never fully took off in my opinion. Sometimes I was a bit bored watching us. I never felt that under McCann.

On the moral principle, I don’t see how we can lambast McCann and Moore for the nature of their departures, but not acknowledge the fact that Butler will immediately leave the Belles managerless. This is simply how the food chain works, isn’t it?

Agree with all of the above. Absolutely spot on.

Had me thinking and looking back on our last 11 league games, which is won 5, lost 5 and drawn 1

In two of those wins we were absolutely battered and moments of individual brilliance at either end got us over the line. I realise this is a way to win a game and may well have been a tactical  master plan from Darren. If it was, fair play to him but in the long term I will take the SOD long term mentality of performance every time.

The other three wins were achieved with extremely drab victories against teams currently in 18th, 20th and 22nd

In 4 of the 5 defeats we were absolutely abject, ironically the best we played was on Saturday at Ipswich when we actually deserved more than we got.

The draw needed a 101min, 25 yard worldie, from a 40 year old legend .

The truth is, and I really liked DM, it hasn't been good for a while
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: VikingRich on March 01, 2021, 06:34:45 pm
"Intelligent" isn't a word I would use to describe him. A good footballing mind yes but intelligent - definitely not. Just listen to his interviews!

I always felt like he used bigger words to try and make himself sound dead intelligent in interviews but he often came across as though he was waffling.



A bit like "wonderful"
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Bentley Bullet on March 01, 2021, 06:46:24 pm
"Intelligent" isn't a word I would use to describe him. A good footballing mind yes but intelligent - definitely not. Just listen to his interviews!

I always felt like he used bigger words to try and make himself sound dead intelligent in interviews but he often came across as though he was waffling.



Do you mean in terms of the way he tried to be fluent in terms of the way he put his interviews across, in terms of the content of his comments or in terms of the way he tried to get across his philosophy in terms of the way the game should be played?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Chris Black come back on March 01, 2021, 06:49:31 pm
One particular bug bear for me was the keeper situation. They are by and large a talented group and the latest guy has been great. But they are all young and often create as many problems as they solve. Lincoln away a case in point. For this position at least, can we have our own guy in goal in future?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Frankie Rennie on March 01, 2021, 06:51:31 pm
Shocked by this but not completely surprised by it. Darren’s done a super job with your club but it was probably obvious that a “bigger” club would come calling at some point and now one has. I don’t blame any manager for taking the opportunity to wake a sleeping giant and I believe Wednesday to be one of those and though it’s a sickener for fans it’s just what happens these days. Hopefully it won’t damage your promotion push and I can only wish you the best of luck.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Getridorit on March 01, 2021, 06:56:57 pm
The more I think about it, the more bat shit crazy this seems.
Why on earth would he go there?

Especially when it looks like its only til the end of the season.

Whats going on at Rovers?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: NickDRFC on March 01, 2021, 07:02:13 pm
The more I think about it, the more bat shit crazy this seems.
Why on earth would he go there?

Especially when it looks like its only til the end of the season.

Whats going on at Rovers?

Why does it have to be something wrong at Rovers? Wednesday are a massive club, in the doldrums but I’ve no doubt Moore is doubling/trebling his money with the promise of a big kitty if he keeps them up. I reckon most managers would struggle to believe that and see through Chansiri, but Moore doesn’t come across as the smartest tool so maybe he’s accepted it and been a bit shortsighted with it.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on March 01, 2021, 07:07:55 pm
The more I think about it, the more bat shit crazy this seems.
Why on earth would he go there?

Especially when it looks like its only til the end of the season.

Whats going on at Rovers?

Why does it have to be something wrong at Rovers? Wednesday are a massive club, in the doldrums but I’ve no doubt Moore is doubling/trebling his money with the promise of a big kitty if he keeps them up. I reckon most managers would struggle to believe that and see through Chansiri, but Moore doesn’t come across as the smartest tool so maybe he’s accepted it and been a bit shortsighted with it.

That's probably nearer the truth. I hope DM has requested a fair share of his wedge up front rather than a credit note.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Getridorit on March 01, 2021, 07:08:26 pm
The more I think about it, the more bat shit crazy this seems.
Why on earth would he go there?

Especially when it looks like its only til the end of the season.

Whats going on at Rovers?

Why does it have to be something wrong at Rovers? Wednesday are a massive club, in the doldrums but I’ve no doubt Moore is doubling/trebling his money with the promise of a big kitty if he keeps them up. I reckon most managers would struggle to believe that and see through Chansiri, but Moore doesn’t come across as the smartest tool so maybe he’s accepted it and been a bit shortsighted with it.
Because of the pattern of how the last 3 managers have left, and also the comments made by dickov.

Add them together, and concerns arise.

We can attract the managers, but why don't they stay?

Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Getridorit on March 01, 2021, 07:11:29 pm
I even remember Ferguson commenting when he first joined that "somethings not right at the club"
 but he couldn't put his finger on it, and he didn't elaborate further.

Could this be a factor of why managers always jump ship at first opportunity?
Whatever it is.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: vaya on March 01, 2021, 07:13:34 pm
I even remember Ferguson commenting when he first joined that "somethings not right at the club"
 but he couldn't put his finger on it, and he didn't elaborate further.

Could this be a factor of why managers always jump ship at first opportunity?
Whatever it is.

A Poltergoost?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on March 01, 2021, 07:16:53 pm
Pib.
If you're saying that McCann was a big improvement on Ferguson, I've no argument with you. My point was that he inherited an excellent group of players and was supported to add significantly to that (Wilks, Kane, Sadlier, Downing and others) but by the end of the season we were performing like a mid-table side.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on March 01, 2021, 07:18:44 pm
I even remember Ferguson commenting when he first joined that "somethings not right at the club"
 but he couldn't put his finger on it, and he didn't elaborate further.

Could this be a factor of why managers always jump ship at first opportunity?
Whatever it is.

It's called "expectation management". You don't get many managers coming in saying "everything is perfect and if we don't succeed it'll be because I'm shite."
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: NickDRFC on March 01, 2021, 07:19:12 pm
Getridorit - McCann went to Hull & Moore has gone to Wednesday. Both clubs struggling at the wrong end of the table and owned by fruitcakes but they are (were) both Championship clubs, much bigger than Rovers and potential to go far with a bit of stability, not to mention a huge uplift in salary. If they had both left to go to a Swindon or a Northampton I’d be concerned but both moves have been up a division football-wise and probably two or three divisions financially.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Getridorit on March 01, 2021, 07:22:28 pm
Getridorit - McCann went to Hull & Moore has gone to Wednesday. Both clubs struggling at the wrong end of the table and owned by fruitcakes but they are (were) both Championship clubs, much bigger than Rovers and potential to go far with a bit of stability, not to mention a huge uplift in salary. If they had both left to go to a Swindon or a Northampton I’d be concerned but both moves have been up a division football-wise and probably two or three divisions financially.
I see your point, but disagree.
It was how quickly and easily they jumped ship.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Getridorit on March 01, 2021, 07:24:28 pm
I even remember Ferguson commenting when he first joined that "somethings not right at the club"
 but he couldn't put his finger on it, and he didn't elaborate further.

Could this be a factor of why managers always jump ship at first opportunity?
Whatever it is.

It's called "expectation management". You don't get many managers coming in saying "everything is perfect and if we don't succeed it'll be because I'm shite."
It wasnt really a case of that, he said it almost in a passing comment at the end of a sentence, and his body language suggested he genuinely couldn't put his finger on it at the time.
He was genuinely puzzled by it.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Campsall rover on March 01, 2021, 07:25:11 pm
Shocked by this but not completely surprised by it. Darren’s done a super job with your club but it was probably obvious that a “bigger” club would come calling at some point and now one has. I don’t blame any manager for taking the opportunity to wake a sleeping giant and I believe Wednesday to be one of those and though it’s a sickener for fans it’s just what happens these days. Hopefully it won’t damage your promotion push and I can only wish you the best of luck.
Thing is though they aren’t sleeping they are dormant.  A car crash of a Club. An owner who is clueless and has no affiliation to the City or the club. Just another mercenary.

What is the attraction. DM has made a massive error of judgement. If he had stayespd at Rovers and got us promoted he would have had a host of Clubs in a far better position financially to choose from.

This decision could almost end his managerial career at a top 2 division club. Possibly top 3 divisions.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Campsall rover on March 01, 2021, 07:28:53 pm
The more I think about it, the more bat shit crazy this seems.
Why on earth would he go there?

Especially when it looks like its only til the end of the season.

Whats going on at Rovers?


Why does it have to be something wrong at Rovers? Wednesday are a massive club, in the doldrums but I’ve no doubt Moore is doubling/trebling his money with the promise of a big kitty if he keeps them up. I reckon most managers would struggle to believe that and see through Chansiri, but Moore doesn’t come across as the smartest tool so maybe he’s accepted it and been a bit shortsighted with it.

That's probably nearer the truth. I hope DM has requested a fair share of his wedge up front rather than a credit note.
They are so massive that they have won the League cup once as their only success since 1935.
Massive compared to Morecambe they are massive, well almost.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: RedRover on March 01, 2021, 07:29:22 pm
Looks like we completely misjudged his character then.


Whats all this "we" business, I questioned it and his man management way back.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Jonathan on March 01, 2021, 07:35:35 pm
Pib.
If you're saying that McCann was a big improvement on Ferguson, I've no argument with you. My point was that he inherited an excellent group of players and was supported to add significantly to that (Wilks, Kane, Sadlier, Downing and others) but by the end of the season we were performing like a mid-table side.

When you talk about the considerable resource given to McCann, I can’t help but think you’re judging Kane and Wilks as the players they became rather than the ones that arrived. Kane had never played a game in senior football and was hardly a huge signing. Wilks was nowhere near the Leeds team and had just had a fairly inauspicious season at Accrington Stanley. Sadlier arrived from Ireland on a speculative 18 month deal. Downing, I’ll give you that he won’t have come cheap. But give McCann some credit. He got more out of the team and the individuals and did a fantastic job over the season, culminating in one of the best performances (and atmospheres) I’ve seen live at Charlton. By the end of the season we were performing like a play off team - that’s indisputable as that’s where we finished by the end of the season.

Even ahead of his departure he’d brought in Halliday and James who have turned out to be great signings. And Gomes has potential too. 

McCann did a top job here. Sadly Hull City and Sheffield Wednesday are far bigger clubs than us. Ask 100 established managers if they would rather manage Hull / SWFC or Doncaster then >90 would pick Hull / SWFC. The remaining 10% would be lacking confidence in their ability and not up to the job. The chance to have a go at a big club is bound to be tempting. The Belles’ manager has just walked out to take a short term chance at a bigger club. That’s football.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: SydneyRover on March 01, 2021, 07:36:13 pm
Getridorit - McCann went to Hull & Moore has gone to Wednesday. Both clubs struggling at the wrong end of the table and owned by fruitcakes but they are (were) both Championship clubs, much bigger than Rovers and potential to go far with a bit of stability, not to mention a huge uplift in salary. If they had both left to go to a Swindon or a Northampton I’d be concerned but both moves have been up a division football-wise and probably two or three divisions financially.

I would have thought you'd have to be a bit mad to own a football club in the first place, we are lucky we some of them looking after us.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: phil o sophical on March 01, 2021, 07:41:28 pm
Shocked by this but not completely surprised by it. Darren’s done a super job with your club but it was probably obvious that a “bigger” club would come calling at some point and now one has. I don’t blame any manager for taking the opportunity to wake a sleeping giant and I believe Wednesday to be one of those and though it’s a sickener for fans it’s just what happens these days. Hopefully it won’t damage your promotion push and I can only wish you the best of luck.

I think when DM scratches the surface rather than a sleeping giant he'll find the giant is in a coma and has been for a while
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: redandwhitearmy on March 01, 2021, 07:49:33 pm
Massive mistake this I think, I’m almost desperate for us to pass them on the way up now.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: pib on March 01, 2021, 08:05:33 pm
Pib.
If you're saying that McCann was a big improvement on Ferguson, I've no argument with you. My point was that he inherited an excellent group of players and was supported to add significantly to that (Wilks, Kane, Sadlier, Downing and others) but by the end of the season we were performing like a mid-table side.

I’m saying that McCann did a really good job here, with (by all accounts) very similar resources to both his predecessor and his successor. That’s exactly what I said in my post so I’m not quite sure why it needs any further clarification.

If you don’t agree, then fair enough. In my view, each of the last three managers we’ve had have all had similar resources on paper, and McCann is the only one that has delivered a top 6 finish, and I believe that to be down to getting the best out of the players he had, using his highly driven personality to push them further, and by using his resources better.

I’m not sure why the backing he had should somehow detract from that, as I think each of the last 3 managers we’ve had (including Moore) have received similar support. What... because he used his resources better than the others he should be marked down? Ferguson used his resources to bring in Rodney Kongolo whereas McCann used his to bring in Kane, for example. Isn’t that part of what management is about? Not quite sure why, in your logic, that is a reason why McCann WASN’T a success.

Our form over the last 20 games might have been mid-table form, but he got us to the playoffs and the 5th round of the cup over the course of a season. I’m not sure what your point is there because seasons aren’t 20 games long.

I’m not trying to hail McCann as the greatest
Manager ever to grace the Rovers dugout, but I believe that his drive and will to win was a significant factor in what we achieved that season, and for me that was an ingredient Moore seemed to be missing as our manager. If you disagree with that, no problem. If it’s that easy to get Rovers into the play offs, I look forward to it happening again year after year.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Janso on March 01, 2021, 08:10:36 pm
"Intelligent" isn't a word I would use to describe him. A good footballing mind yes but intelligent - definitely not. Just listen to his interviews!

I always felt like he used bigger words to try and make himself sound dead intelligent in interviews but he often came across as though he was waffling.



Do you mean in terms of the way he tried to be fluent in terms of the way he put his interviews across, in terms of the content of his comments or in terms of the way he tried to get across his philosophy in terms of the way the game should be played?
The first one.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: pib on March 01, 2021, 08:11:39 pm
The more I think about it, the more bat shit crazy this seems.
Why on earth would he go there?

Especially when it looks like its only til the end of the season.

Whats going on at Rovers?

Why does it have to be something wrong at Rovers? Wednesday are a massive club, in the doldrums but I’ve no doubt Moore is doubling/trebling his money with the promise of a big kitty if he keeps them up. I reckon most managers would struggle to believe that and see through Chansiri, but Moore doesn’t come across as the smartest tool so maybe he’s accepted it and been a bit shortsighted with it.
Because of the pattern of how the last 3 managers have left, and also the comments made by dickov.

Add them together, and concerns arise.

We can attract the managers, but why don't they stay?

Biggest shock of the day for me is that anybody on here holds any regard for what Paul Dickov has to say.

Absolute gobshite of the highest order, and should never have been anywhere near the Rovers job in the first place.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Colin C No.3 on March 01, 2021, 08:13:57 pm
We've given our last 3 managers a lifeline back into football when no one else was interested in them.

Fergie. In his 2nd spell at Peterborough he joined them in November 2011. He was sacked in February 2015 after they finished 15th in Lg1. We gave him an opportunity at Rovers in October 2015, a club he described on his appointment as 'A no brainer. A club held in high esteem in the footballing world & a board who are determined to bring the club & it's supporters success with all the backing that requires'. He pi**ed off leaving us high & dry & having finished the season 15th in Lg1 in late June 2018. He's currently in his 3rd term at P/boro & they're 'flying'. But we all know how quickly things spiral out of control with him as the 'finish line' draws close, so let's see where he trips up & misses out this time....as I'm in no doubt he will.

McCann. Became a first time manager at Peterborough after finishing his playing days with them in May 2016 on a 4 year contract! He was sacked in February 2018 after P/boro finished the season 15th in Lg1 (spooky I know!). We gave him an opportunity (when his c.v. must have looked as though someone had torn pages from it) in June 2018. He pi**ed off to Hull in June 2019 after having decimated the Rovers squad. Hull were relegated from the Championship that season under his tenure ship. They, along with Sunderland, have the largest budget in Lg1. They're blowing hot & cold & the supporters want him out. He could have tried & failed at Rovers with regards promotion to the Championship because he had the support of the board & the supporters. £££ + ego = Hull. Let's see if he takes them back to the 'promised land' of the Championship. I am just as sure he will fail as I am with Fergie & his lot.

Moore. Sacked by WBA after being in fourth place in the Championship in March 2019. Many in the footballing world thought that harsh. We (the supporters), the board the players were delighted when he was appointed manager in July 2019. But again, no other club was willing to take a chance on him. Oh how he 'bought into Club Doncaster' he espoused at his very first interview (He's shy with the media, he'll get better & if not surely as long as he get's his message across to the players is all that counts?). His interviews continued in the same vain. But, his 'little black book' would have top teams battering the doors down to send their players to us! And to some extent they did. But did he get the best out of them? Did we have a Wilks or Kane? We're suddenly on a sticky run where he now shows us he has what it takes to not only manage the team but the situation we find ourselves in. Does he stay with 'Club Doncaster'...no he pi**es off to The Owls who will be relegated this season, for sure.

So what have we/the board learned since Fergie & the other two joined then 'abandoned' us?

Dave Penney played for us during our Conference years & went on to bring us Trophy's & promotions & teams & winning nights as a manager we only dare dreamed of. Let's hope Andy Butler can grasp the mantle, surprise us all & give us a team, performances & success we again can only dare dream of. Like Penney (& unlike Ferguson, McCann & Moore), Butts is Rovers through& through. That's what the board see, let's get behind him & the team...full on!

RTID
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Draytonian III on March 01, 2021, 08:42:00 pm
Getridorit - McCann went to Hull & Moore has gone to Wednesday. Both clubs struggling at the wrong end of the table and owned by fruitcakes but they are (were) both Championship clubs, much bigger than Rovers and potential to go far with a bit of stability, not to mention a huge uplift in salary. If they had both left to go to a Swindon or a Northampton I’d be concerned but both moves have been up a division football-wise and probably two or three divisions financially.



That’s the best post of the day on any thread, it totally sums up today’s events
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Cramby10 on March 01, 2021, 08:43:38 pm
The more I think about it, the more bat shit crazy this seems.
Why on earth would he go there?

Especially when it looks like its only til the end of the season.

Whats going on at Rovers?

Why does it have to be something wrong at Rovers? Wednesday are a massive club, in the doldrums but I’ve no doubt Moore is doubling/trebling his money with the promise of a big kitty if he keeps them up. I reckon most managers would struggle to believe that and see through Chansiri, but Moore doesn’t come across as the smartest tool so maybe he’s accepted it and been a bit shortsighted with it.
Because of the pattern of how the last 3 managers have left, and also the comments made by dickov.

Add them together, and concerns arise.

We can attract the managers, but why don't they stay?

Biggest shock of the day for me is that anybody on here holds any regard for what Paul Dickov has to say.

Absolute gobshite of the highest order, and should never have been anywhere near the Rovers job in the first place.
ha ha ha. Beautiful job. Made me proper smile did that. Couldn’t have put it better myself!
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: MachoMadness on March 01, 2021, 08:49:14 pm
Hopefully Butler is a bit less keen on the boozy team nights out than Penney was though!
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: StocksArmy on March 01, 2021, 09:06:35 pm
Its exciting times for this club in my opinion. From what SM has said in terms of the manager being laid back had shone through in the teams performances since he walked through the door. I go back to how many first halves of football we have wasted? I think as time ticks on you will see DM go back into coaching then management. I think hes been extremely lucky to have had the backing he has from the club and the work from who seems to be a mastermind in recruitment. Its almost as though the work was done for him and his job was to use these tools out on the pitch. To me he didnt do that on a number of occasions. In a good position yes we are but I feel the team is still underperforming. Its very capable of reaching those automatics. I just hope the players who signed for the Moorefactor pull in the right direction for AB.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Campsall rover on March 01, 2021, 09:07:13 pm
We've given our last 3 managers a lifeline back into football when no one else was interested in them.

Fergie. In his 2nd spell at Peterborough he joined them in November 2011. He was sacked in February 2015 after they finished 15th in Lg1. We gave him an opportunity at Rovers in October 2015, a club he described on his appointment as 'A no brainer. A club held in high esteem in the footballing world & a board who are determined to bring the club & it's supporters success with all the backing that requires'. He pi**ed off leaving us high & dry & having finished the season 15th in Lg1 in late June 2018. He's currently in his 3rd term at P/boro & they're 'flying'. But we all know how quickly things spiral out of control with him as the 'finish line' draws close, so let's see where he trips up & misses out this time....as I'm in no doubt he will.

McCann. Became a first time manager at Peterborough after finishing his playing days with them in May 2016 on a 4 year contract! He was sacked in February 2018 after P/boro finished the season 15th in Lg1 (spooky I know!). We gave him an opportunity (when his c.v. must have looked as though someone had torn pages from it) in June 2018. He pi**ed off to Hull in June 2019 after having decimated the Rovers squad. Hull were relegated from the Championship that season under his tenure ship. They, along with Sunderland, have the largest budget in Lg1. They're blowing hot & cold & the supporters want him out. He could have tried & failed at Rovers with regards promotion to the Championship because he had the support of the board & the supporters. £££ + ego = Hull. Let's see if he takes them back to the 'promised land' of the Championship. I am just as sure he will fail as I am with Fergie & his lot.

Moore. Sacked by WBA after being in fourth place in the Championship in March 2019. Many in the footballing world thought that harsh. We (the supporters), the board the players were delighted when he was appointed manager in July 2019. But again, no other club was willing to take a chance on him. Oh how he 'bought into Club Doncaster' he espoused at his very first interview (He's shy with the media, he'll get better & if not surely as long as he get's his message across to the players is all that counts?). His interviews continued in the same vain. But, his 'little black book' would have top teams battering the doors down to send their players to us! And to some extent they did. But did he get the best out of them? Did we have a Wilks or Kane? We're suddenly on a sticky run where he now shows us he has what it takes to not only manage the team but the situation we find ourselves in. Does he stay with 'Club Doncaster'...no he pi**es off to The Owls who will be relegated this season, for sure.

So what have we/the board learned since Fergie & the other two joined then 'abandoned' us?

Dave Penney played for us during our Conference years & went on to bring us Trophy's & promotions & teams & winning nights as a manager we only dare dreamed of. Let's hope Andy Butler can grasp the mantle, surprise us all & give us a team, performances & success we again can only dare dream of. Like Penney (& unlike Ferguson, McCann & Moore), Butts is Rovers through& through. That's what the board see, let's get behind him & the team...full on!

RTID
Great post Colin C
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Getridorit on March 01, 2021, 10:03:24 pm
Getridorit - McCann went to Hull & Moore has gone to Wednesday. Both clubs struggling at the wrong end of the table and owned by fruitcakes but they are (were) both Championship clubs, much bigger than Rovers and potential to go far with a bit of stability, not to mention a huge uplift in salary. If they had both left to go to a Swindon or a Northampton I’d be concerned but both moves have been up a division football-wise and probably two or three divisions financially.



That’s the best post of the day on any thread, it totally sums up today’s events
Think hes massively oversimplyfing it there, and probably not aware of all the details.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Getridorit on March 01, 2021, 10:05:42 pm
The more I think about it, the more bat shit crazy this seems.
Why on earth would he go there?

Especially when it looks like its only til the end of the season.

Whats going on at Rovers?

Why does it have to be something wrong at Rovers? Wednesday are a massive club, in the doldrums but I’ve no doubt Moore is doubling/trebling his money with the promise of a big kitty if he keeps them up. I reckon most managers would struggle to believe that and see through Chansiri, but Moore doesn’t come across as the smartest tool so maybe he’s accepted it and been a bit shortsighted with it.
Because of the pattern of how the last 3 managers have left, and also the comments made by dickov.

Add them together, and concerns arise.

We can attract the managers, but why don't they stay?

Biggest shock of the day for me is that anybody on here holds any regard for what Paul Dickov has to say.

Absolute gobshite of the highest order, and should never have been anywhere near the Rovers job in the first place.
Aye, mature contribution to an important discussion.
Think of dickov what you want, his comments added to how the last 3 managers left makes cause for concern.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: BobG on March 01, 2021, 10:06:59 pm
What you think, Getridorit, has as much or as little merit as the thinking of anyone else. But given human nature Nick's point has far more to commend it than your vapour ware. Just what "details" are you aware of that make Nick's point "over simplified"?  If you would care to share them, your assertions might attract significantly more credibility.

Cheers

BobG
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Janso on March 01, 2021, 10:08:49 pm
Getridorit - McCann went to Hull & Moore has gone to Wednesday. Both clubs struggling at the wrong end of the table and owned by fruitcakes but they are (were) both Championship clubs, much bigger than Rovers and potential to go far with a bit of stability, not to mention a huge uplift in salary. If they had both left to go to a Swindon or a Northampton I’d be concerned but both moves have been up a division football-wise and probably two or three divisions financially.



That’s the best post of the day on any thread, it totally sums up today’s events
Think hes massively oversimplyfing it there, and probably not aware of all the details.

Very few of us are aware of all the details but it always seems to be the ones spouting shite that think they know it all.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: pib on March 01, 2021, 10:12:12 pm
The more I think about it, the more bat shit crazy this seems.
Why on earth would he go there?

Especially when it looks like its only til the end of the season.

Whats going on at Rovers?

Why does it have to be something wrong at Rovers? Wednesday are a massive club, in the doldrums but I’ve no doubt Moore is doubling/trebling his money with the promise of a big kitty if he keeps them up. I reckon most managers would struggle to believe that and see through Chansiri, but Moore doesn’t come across as the smartest tool so maybe he’s accepted it and been a bit shortsighted with it.
Because of the pattern of how the last 3 managers have left, and also the comments made by dickov.

Add them together, and concerns arise.

We can attract the managers, but why don't they stay?

Biggest shock of the day for me is that anybody on here holds any regard for what Paul Dickov has to say.

Absolute gobshite of the highest order, and should never have been anywhere near the Rovers job in the first place.
Aye, mature contribution to an important discussion.
Think of dickov what you want, his comments added to how the last 3 managers left makes cause for concern.

If you say so.

I'll rephrase it in a more "mature" way for you if you like - I don't hold Paul Dickov's comments in particularly high esteem, and do not regard him as a trustworthy source of information on the club. Partly due to the tumultuous nature of the club during his time here (very little, if any of which was the fault of the current board), and also for Dickov's tendency, in my view, to be something of a self-promotion expert and a purveyor of questionable "truths".
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: idler on March 01, 2021, 10:33:30 pm
How many managers accept blame for relegation, missing out on promotion or losing a cup final?
Have you heard one say well I bought the players and pick the team so ultimately I am to blame. It's regularly excuses or innuendo about board interference, lack of investment or ambition. That's the way they keep getting back on the managerial merry go round.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Getridorit on March 01, 2021, 10:49:42 pm
The more I think about it, the more bat shit crazy this seems.
Why on earth would he go there?

Especially when it looks like its only til the end of the season.

Whats going on at Rovers?

Why does it have to be something wrong at Rovers? Wednesday are a massive club, in the doldrums but I’ve no doubt Moore is doubling/trebling his money with the promise of a big kitty if he keeps them up. I reckon most managers would struggle to believe that and see through Chansiri, but Moore doesn’t come across as the smartest tool so maybe he’s accepted it and been a bit shortsighted with it.
Because of the pattern of how the last 3 managers have left, and also the comments made by dickov.

Add them together, and concerns arise.

We can attract the managers, but why don't they stay?

Biggest shock of the day for me is that anybody on here holds any regard for what Paul Dickov has to say.

Absolute gobshite of the highest order, and should never have been anywhere near the Rovers job in the first place.
Aye, mature contribution to an important discussion.
Think of dickov what you want, his comments added to how the last 3 managers left makes cause for concern.

If you say so.

I'll rephrase it in a more "mature" way for you if you like - I don't hold Paul Dickov's comments in particularly high esteem, and do not regard him as a trustworthy source of information on the club. Partly due to the tumultuous nature of the club during his time here (very little, if any of which was the fault of the current board), and also for Dickov's tendency, in my view, to be something of a self-promotion expert and a purveyor of questionable "truths".
Your calling him a liar, based on what?
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Getridorit on March 01, 2021, 10:55:05 pm
What you think, Getridorit, has as much or as little merit as the thinking of anyone else. But given human nature Nick's point has far more to commend it than your vapour ware. Just what "details" are you aware of that make Nick's point "over simplified"?  If you would care to share them, your assertions might attract significantly more credibility.

Cheers

BobG
If your not aware, then I guess you haven't followed the club as closely as I have over the last 20 years.

If you think it wasn't oversimplified, then I can't help you with that.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: BobG on March 01, 2021, 10:59:31 pm
I note, in common with conmen everywhere, despite being offered oppotunity, you refuse to say anything other than smoke. Your word is as worthless as the orifice it presumably comes out of. You claim lots. And know nothing.

regards

BobG
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: NewDonny on March 01, 2021, 11:07:21 pm
Pib.
If you're saying that McCann was a big improvement on Ferguson, I've no argument with you. My point was that he inherited an excellent group of players and was supported to add significantly to that (Wilks, Kane, Sadlier, Downing and others) but by the end of the season we were performing like a mid-table side.

When you talk about the considerable resource given to McCann, I can’t help but think you’re judging Kane and Wilks as the players they became rather than the ones that arrived. Kane had never played a game in senior football and was hardly a huge signing. Wilks was nowhere near the Leeds team and had just had a fairly inauspicious season at Accrington Stanley. Sadlier arrived from Ireland on a speculative 18 month deal. Downing, I’ll give you that he won’t have come cheap. But give McCann some credit. He got more out of the team and the individuals and did a fantastic job over the season, culminating in one of the best performances (and atmospheres) I’ve seen live at Charlton. By the end of the season we were performing like a play off team - that’s indisputable as that’s where we finished by the end of the season.

Even ahead of his departure he’d brought in Halliday and James who have turned out to be great signings. And Gomes has potential too. 

McCann did a top job here. Sadly Hull City and Sheffield Wednesday are far bigger clubs than us. Ask 100 established managers if they would rather manage Hull / SWFC or Doncaster then >90 would pick Hull / SWFC. The remaining 10% would be lacking confidence in their ability and not up to the job. The chance to have a go at a big club is bound to be tempting. The Belles’ manager has just walked out to take a short term chance at a bigger club. That’s football.

He had also lined up Ben Sheaf on loan as well who is now a regular in the Championship with Coventry & he had also lined up Washington, now at Charlton and Taylor who did come in from Rotherham.

Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Getridorit on March 01, 2021, 11:08:33 pm
I note, in common with conmen everywhere, despite being offered oppotunity, you refuse to say anything other than smoke. Your word is as worthless as the orifice it presumably comes out of. You claim lots. And know nothing.

regards

BobG

Aye, that's right. Lose the argument and shout liar!
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: Bailey Vickerage on March 01, 2021, 11:20:41 pm
One particular bug bear for me was the keeper situation. They are by and large a talented group and the latest guy has been great. But they are all young and often create as many problems as they solve. Lincoln away a case in point. For this position at least, can we have our own guy in goal in future?
Last season Lawlor was first choice at the start (our keeper) but didn’t have the best of starts and then Dieng came on against Grimsby and made a few good saves and kept Lawlor out the side.

This season we’ve had loans but the reason for that was because Jones is the backup and they wanted him to get experience in the cup games to then hopefully go on to become first choice next season.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: SydneyRover on March 01, 2021, 11:32:42 pm
How many managers accept blame for relegation, missing out on promotion or losing a cup final?
Have you heard one say well I bought the players and pick the team so ultimately I am to blame. It's regularly excuses or innuendo about board interference, lack of investment or ambition. That's the way they keep getting back on the managerial merry go round.

It's certainly a high pressure job that few could do, with criticism and advice from anywhere and everywhere and it all boils down to the simplest formula ............ adored if they win and bagged if they don't. I am greatly disappointed that DM has left and we are unlikely to know all the reasons ever. Butts won't be with us forever either all we can do is support who we have and when we have them.
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: BobG on March 01, 2021, 11:41:20 pm
I note, in common with conmen everywhere, despite being offered oppotunity, you refuse to say anything other than smoke. Your word is as worthless as the orifice it presumably comes out of. You claim lots. And know nothing.

regards

BobG

Aye, that's right. Lose the argument and shout liar!
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That is just about the best post I have ever seen Getridorit!  I will leave it to the many on here with both more brain, and, more wisdom than you to enjoy it.

Best wishes Getridorit. That has quite made my evening!

BobG
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: roversdude on March 02, 2021, 07:28:11 am
Getridorit
Think you’re on a loser there, BobG has probably forgot more than what most of us will ever know
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: baggie192 on March 02, 2021, 12:27:01 pm
I've always had massive respect for Darren Moore and the job he did for us at centre back that kept us in the championship over  a decade ago .

I thought he was hard done by at WBA too when he got the sack with Albion still very much in the championship promotion race .

But I have to say he's gone down in my estimations today .

Shytehouse trick and gone to a shytehouse club .

Maybe they deserve one another .

I got slammed on here when he left WBA. It was partly Dave doing though, as He'd has been secure if he hadn't turned the Jones sacking into he goes I go situation. For those who don't know. Things were going well but the club wanted him to have an asisstant manager. He Graeme Jones at the time No.2 for Belgium. It cost us £2m and was a HUGE mistake. As soon as he came he was chasing the luton job. He made non sensical tactics changes during matches overriding Moore. Quickly hated by fans, management and players. As soon as he contacted  Luton to enquire about the manager job he was sacked. When Moore found out it seems it was if he goes I go. Hence sacked when we were fourth. I don't get the wednesday move, though, could understand it if he had a window. But when he took over here he had Premier league players.   
Title: Re: Darren Moore - gone!
Post by: roversdude on March 02, 2021, 01:06:44 pm
Good insight baggie, I remember you giving us your take when DM took over. Despite mentioning the ethos of the club at every juncture he still bailed out at the first sight of a few more pounds.
Maybe he wanted to be nearer home I don’t know.
Personally I was gutted when I heard the news but there seemed something missing over the last couple of months (in hindsight) particularly passion. Hopefully Butler has the full backing of the team and can drive us on