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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: swain_drfc on April 05, 2021, 09:43:56 am
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then Butler has to step down for me. These are one of the few sides in the league that are actually worse than us.
If we lose we need to accept that this just hasn’t worked and start the recruitment process to bring in a new man to start the rebuild now and work briefly alongside Adam to identify what we need in the summer.
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then Butler has to step down for me. These are one of the few sides in the league that are actually worse than us.
If we lose we need to accept that this just hasn’t worked and start the recruitment process to bring in a new man to start the rebuild now and work briefly alongside Adam to identify what we need in the summer.
Adam?
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then Butler has to step down for me. These are one of the few sides in the league that are actually worse than us.
If we lose we need to accept that this just hasn’t worked and start the recruitment process to bring in a new man to start the rebuild now and work briefly alongside Adam to identify what we need in the summer.
Adam?
Adam Henshall. I was under the impression he was leaving us at the end of the season. If he has already departed then that’s my mistake.
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then Butler has to step down for me. These are one of the few sides in the league that are actually worse than us.
If we lose we need to accept that this just hasn’t worked and start the recruitment process to bring in a new man to start the rebuild now and work briefly alongside Adam to identify what we need in the summer.
Adam?
Adam Henshall. I was under the impression he was leaving us at the end of the season. If he has already departed then that’s my mistake.
Yes he has already gone. To Aston Villa.
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then Butler has to step down for me. These are one of the few sides in the league that are actually worse than us.
If we lose we need to accept that this just hasn’t worked and start the recruitment process to bring in a new man to start the rebuild now and work briefly alongside Adam to identify what we need in the summer.
Adam?
Adam Henshall. I was under the impression he was leaving us at the end of the season. If he has already departed then that’s my mistake.
Yes he has already gone. To Aston Villa.
I stand corrected
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It is just turned spring lads he has just awakened after hibernation poor lad so please forgive him lol. Only joking swain sorry
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What happens when we win? Do we give him another week? Is it lose and lose ya job sort of thing?
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What happens when we win? Do we give him another week? Is it lose and lose ya job sort of thing?
You can't do that to AB. He's been given the job until the end of the season, lets see what happens.
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then Butler has to step down for me. These are one of the few sides in the league that are actually worse than us.
If we lose we need to accept that this just hasn’t worked and start the recruitment process to bring in a new man to start the rebuild now and work briefly alongside Adam to identify what we need in the summer.
So who takes over? We don't do knee jerk, so why start now?
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It is just turned spring lads he has just awakened after hibernation poor lad so please forgive him lol. Only joking swain sorry
Haha no need to be sorry Vicar. It has been our recent performances that have made me fall into a deep sleep :zzz:
Now awoke with the hope of us managing to win a game today :thumbsup: haha
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What happens when we win? Do we give him another week? Is it lose and lose ya job sort of thing?
If we win then of course it shows signs that maybe we are able to actually put together a performance even if only against the teams in the lower regions.
I know it sounds all a bit panicky and knee jerky but come on these we are playing today are shite. Are we really just going to accept that we are that bad without admitting that changes need to be made?
I will clarify though that I don’t want us to lose today just so there’s a chance that we see a change of manager. I could never actively hope that the Rovers lose a game. I’m wanting Butler to succeed as much as anybody.
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A fascinating game for the neutral . The two worst form teams of the league. Rovers 8/5 to get a win.
A loss today would be the new low point for this season IMO.We live in hope that the strikers find the net and the team can start gelling again.
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What happens when we win? Do we give him another week? Is it lose and lose ya job sort of thing?
You can't do that to AB. He's been given the job until the end of the season, lets see what happens.
Assuming he’s been given a contract until the end of the season, that will amount to a few weeks wages, he can be sacked at the drop of a hat without costing too much surely
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What happens when we win? Do we give him another week? Is it lose and lose ya job sort of thing?
You can't do that to AB. He's been given the job until the end of the season, lets see what happens.
I think we can all see how the season is panning out?
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What happens when we win? Do we give him another week? Is it lose and lose ya job sort of thing?
You can't do that to AB. He's been given the job until the end of the season, lets see what happens.
Sheer apathy then.
If they refuse to make a change when something is clearly wrong then it's either apathy or incompetence.
Butler was the easy and cheap option.
Charlton, Sunderland and pompey have shown how it should be done at a properly run club
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What happens when we win? Do we give him another week? Is it lose and lose ya job sort of thing?
You can't do that to AB. He's been given the job until the end of the season, lets see what happens.
Assuming he’s been given a contract until the end of the season, that will amount to a few weeks wages, he can be sacked at the drop of a hat without costing too much surely
Who mentioned money??
What you're suggesting is that we adopt a knee jerk reaction to a bad result at Bristol Rovers and then replace the manager for the last 9 games of the season, that's if we can find a decent manager to step in within the next 5 days or so.
As a club we have a reputation for doing things properly, it's one of the reasons that we are inundated with manager applications when we do advertise for a manager. That's a reputation that we need to maintain, the thought of abandoning all that on a gamble is a step too far.
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What happens when we win? Do we give him another week? Is it lose and lose ya job sort of thing?
You can't do that to AB. He's been given the job until the end of the season, lets see what happens.
Sheer apathy then.
If they refuse to make a change when something is clearly wrong then it's either apathy or incompetence.
Butler was the easy and cheap option.
Charlton, Sunderland and pompey have shown how it should be done at a properly run club
I'm not going to respond to any more of your WUM comments. You just keep repeating the same posts over and over again with no justification for any of them.
But to class Charlton, Sunderland and Portsmouth as properly run clubs is a clear sign you have no football knowledge at all, they've been 3 of the biggest basket case clubs that we've seen in English football over the last 10 years or so. Properly run? What a joke.
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A fascinating game for the neutral . The two worst form teams of the league. Rovers 8/5 to get a win.
A loss today would be the new low point for this season IMO.We live in hope that the strikers find the net and the team can start gelling again.
Strikers find the net, :lol: They've got to find their Boots first , it looks like they've been playing in Pit Boots for the last 2 month's.
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I hate posts which start with a negative, not helpful at all. My only difference is we change from the "honourable" position we are known for and look at established managers who can work within a budget successfully such as John Coleman at Accrington? Obviously asking permission etc.
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I hate posts which start with a negative, not helpful at all. My only difference is we change from the "honourable" position we are known for and look at established managers who can work within a budget successfully such as John Coleman at Accrington? Obviously asking permission etc.
You did see Accrington's last result?
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You could not possibly consider the replacement of AB to be a knee jerk reaction .
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What happens when we win? Do we give him another week? Is it lose and lose ya job sort of thing?
You can't do that to AB. He's been given the job until the end of the season, lets see what happens.
Sheer apathy then.
If they refuse to make a change when something is clearly wrong then it's either apathy or incompetence.
Butler was the easy and cheap option.
Charlton, Sunderland and pompey have shown how it should be done at a properly run club
yeah and those 3 clubs have all bee great at getting the right manager in the past haven’t they,yes sunderland have done really well getting Johnson this time round by the looks but he has had sun time there now.Charlton were nothing special last week and thought we were the better side until the last 3rd again like slot of games this season as for Pompey they shoukd of been doing better with the squad they have.
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This is why I don’t want legends becoming our manager as two many people turn against them then it’s legend over JUST LIKE IT WOULD BE WITH COPPS
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reading a lot this stuff I wouln't think he's want it Vicar.
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This is why I don’t want legends becoming our manager as two many people turn against them then it’s legend over JUST LIKE IT WOULD BE WITH COPPS
I don’t agree with that, Lampard failed at Chelsea and a lot of fans wanted him out but his legacy as a player is still in tact. Not that I would want Copps in charge right now given he’s never shown any inclination that he wants to go down that route.
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What happens when we win? Do we give him another week? Is it lose and lose ya job sort of thing?
You can't do that to AB. He's been given the job until the end of the season, lets see what happens.
Assuming he’s been given a contract until the end of the season, that will amount to a few weeks wages, he can be sacked at the drop of a hat without costing too much surely
Who mentioned money??
What you're suggesting is that we adopt a knee jerk reaction to a bad result at Bristol Rovers and then replace the manager for the last 9 games of the season, that's if we can find a decent manager to step in within the next 5 days or so.
As a club we have a reputation for doing things properly, it's one of the reasons that we are inundated with manager applications when we do advertise for a manager. That's a reputation that we need to maintain, the thought of abandoning all that on a gamble is a step too far.
Would hardly be a knee jerk reaction!!
Weve been dire for months, and butler clearly isn't the man.
If we lose today, it would just be further confirmation of what we already know
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What happens when we win? Do we give him another week? Is it lose and lose ya job sort of thing?
You can't do that to AB. He's been given the job until the end of the season, lets see what happens.
Sheer apathy then.
If they refuse to make a change when something is clearly wrong then it's either apathy or incompetence.
Butler was the easy and cheap option.
Charlton, Sunderland and pompey have shown how it should be done at a properly run club
I'm not going to respond to any more of your WUM comments. You just keep repeating the same posts over and over again with no justification for any of them.
But to class Charlton, Sunderland and Portsmouth as properly run clubs is a clear sign you have no football knowledge at all, they've been 3 of the biggest basket case clubs that we've seen in English football over the last 10 years or so. Properly run? What a joke.
What's it say about Rovers then?!
If they can recruit a proper manager within a decent time frame and we can't, it says alot doesn't it.
We were above all 3 clubs before this saga, now we are trailing behind them because of the insane decision not to appoint an experienced manager.
Purely because they know how to run football matters properly.
Cheap and easy option, no other reason.
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If we lose today I'm gonna have a few beers and drown my sorrows, but if we win I'm gonna have a few beers to celebrate.
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Wow, people on here several weeks ago having a go at DM for not honouring his contract with the club. Now some fans want the club to consider not adhering to the “ contract” we’ve given Andy. Incredible is one word that springs to mind. SM is correct, as some fans come on this site with so little knowledge of how the club is run or what goes off in the background. I appreciate it’s not sexy or exciting to look behind the scenes, but thankfully many of us do. If you want a team that throws money at things and gets it wrong time after time, then Donny ain’t for you. Portsmouth, Leeds, Bolton, Sunderland & Wendies spring to mind. Meanwhile I’ll put the kettle on, sit down and watch my little Donny Rovers in an hour or so, safe in the knowledge that the board had supported the club, previous managers & us as supporters by having a stable club that’s not looking at financial ruin unlike others. RTID.
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f**k me, I hope we win today just to get a few people off Butler's back. We're all disappointed with how the season has progressed but the vitriol directed at Butler and the board is ridiculous at times.
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Imagine if we’d brought in an experienced manager and still lost some games. The vsc forum would now be demanding a different experienced manager be appointed.
Maybe we go game by game in future. Give the managers a chance and then when they lose swap them out for a new one.
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If we lose today I'm gonna have a few beers and drown my sorrows, but if we win I'm gonna have a few beers to celebrate.
What do you mean “if we lose”
Your crystal ball said 3-2 to Rovers BB No ifs and butts. ( no pun intended )
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Imagine if we’d brought in an experienced manager and still lost some games. The vsc forum would now be demanding a different experienced manager be appointed.
Maybe we go game by game in future. Give the managers a chance and then when they lose swap them out for a new one.
Pub pool rules. Winner stays on.
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If we don't win today, against the team 2nd bottom who are the only team lower than us in the form guide, I regrettably think the season is over.
However.... if we win, the play-offs are still in reach and we live to fight another day.
Don't you just love being a Rovers fan! :scarf:
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Charlton, Portsmouth and Sunderland keep on getting put forward as clubs that have changed managers all 3 are ex Premiership clubs and are a lot bigger than Doncaster Rovers and always will be. They are going attract the higher profile managers, but I would much be run like us than they have in the last dozen years or so, 3 car crash clubs
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4.57 pm will be the time Mr Gibson will on here if we lose.
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4.57 pm will be the time Mr Gibson will on here if we lose.
"Sack the board."
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Charlton, Portsmouth and Sunderland keep on getting put forward as clubs that have changed managers all 3 are ex Premiership clubs and are a lot bigger than Doncaster Rovers and always will be. They are going attract the higher profile managers, but I would much be run like us than they have in the last dozen years or so, 3 car crash clubs
Moore and Ferguson could be argued are much more high profile than the cowleys
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then Butler has to step down for me. These are one of the few sides in the league that are actually worse than us.
If we lose we need to accept that this just hasn’t worked and start the recruitment process to bring in a new man to start the rebuild now and work briefly alongside Adam to identify what we need in the summer.
if what your saying happens .. who takes over as “Interim Manager”?
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4.57 pm will be the time Mr Gibson will on here if we lose.
As late as that?
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What happens when we win? Do we give him another week? Is it lose and lose ya job sort of thing?
You can't do that to AB. He's been given the job until the end of the season, lets see what happens.
Assuming he’s been given a contract until the end of the season, that will amount to a few weeks wages, he can be sacked at the drop of a hat without costing too much surely
Who mentioned money??
What you're suggesting is that we adopt a knee jerk reaction to a bad result at Bristol Rovers and then replace the manager for the last 9 games of the season, that's if we can find a decent manager to step in within the next 5 days or so.
As a club we have a reputation for doing things properly, it's one of the reasons that we are inundated with manager applications when we do advertise for a manager. That's a reputation that we need to maintain, the thought of abandoning all that on a gamble is a step too far.
Doing things properly by appointing someone with zero experience, while other clubs around us hired experienced managers? Look how it has turned out.
And as for a gamble, Butler is a massive gamble.
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then Butler has to step down for me. These are one of the few sides in the league that are actually worse than us.
If we lose we need to accept that this just hasn’t worked and start the recruitment process to bring in a new man to start the rebuild now and work briefly alongside Adam to identify what we need in the summer.
So who takes over? We don't do knee jerk, so why start now?
I agree with you that the club don’t do knee jerk and I’m not advocating Butler being sacked on the back of one result.
If the board have decided that Butler is not their man then consideration needs to be given as to whether it is better to get somebody in now to either push for The playoffs and assess the squad or if better options are available in the summer. It shouldn’t depend on whether we win, lose or draw today.
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This is why I don’t want legends becoming our manager as two many people turn against them then it’s legend over JUST LIKE IT WOULD BE WITH COPPS
Never been a legend!!!
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Wow, people on here several weeks ago having a go at DM for not honouring his contract with the club. Now some fans want the club to consider not adhering to the “ contract” we’ve given Andy. Incredible is one word that springs to mind. SM is correct, as some fans come on this site with so little knowledge of how the club is run or what goes off in the background. I appreciate it’s not sexy or exciting to look behind the scenes, but thankfully many of us do. If you want a team that throws money at things and gets it wrong time after time, then Donny ain’t for you. Portsmouth, Leeds, Bolton, Sunderland & Wendies spring to mind. Meanwhile I’ll put the kettle on, sit down and watch my little Donny Rovers in an hour or so, safe in the knowledge that the board had supported the club, previous managers & us as supporters by having a stable club that’s not looking at financial ruin unlike others. RTID.
If you want a team that throws money at things and gets it wrong time after time, then Donny ain’t for you.
I think we would like a team ( directors) to throw money at things and actually get it right....not beyond the realms of feasible surely...
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At 2-1 I’d say that is game over. And season over. Happy to be proved wrong.
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Taxi for Butler !!
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At 2-1 I’d say that is game over. And season over. Happy to be proved wrong.
Yeah I’d have thought that’s it. Another match where we’ve failed to keep a clean sheet away from home.
What a disastrous end to the season
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If Butler is still manager next season then it tells you everything you need to know.
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Just had to remind myself Fej is actually playing today. He has been largely absent. The stats don’t make good reading either. Nearly half of all rovers passes incomplete. Just 3 shots on target as of 68 mins.
Richards taken off, who was showing the most promise going forward. ?
I suppose the diff today is BR were already rock bottom. Rovers still on the downward slide.
It can’t get any worse, can it?
McCormack hatrick I fear coming up.
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If Butler is still manager next season then it tells you everything you need to know.
What ?
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What happens when we win? Do we give him another week? Is it lose and lose ya job sort of thing?
You can't do that to AB. He's been given the job until the end of the season, lets see what happens.
Assuming he’s been given a contract until the end of the season, that will amount to a few weeks wages, he can be sacked at the drop of a hat without costing too much surely
Who mentioned money??
What you're suggesting is that we adopt a knee jerk reaction to a bad result at Bristol Rovers and then replace the manager for the last 9 games of the season, that's if we can find a decent manager to step in within the next 5 days or so.
As a club we have a reputation for doing things properly, it's one of the reasons that we are inundated with manager applications when we do advertise for a manager. That's a reputation that we need to maintain, the thought of abandoning all that on a gamble is a step too far.
Knee Jerk? Knee Jerk? Have you seen our form.. we have blown a fantastic position in the league.. all the fans I go with are fed up.. nothing is knee jerk.. our form and performances are woeful... and I for one wanted Butler to be successful but in the last month we've had a number of winnable fixtures and not won one.. and look devoid of ideas... the board will have to get out of their comfort zone before the end of the season and make a decision given our dreadful run of results!
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What happens when we win? Do we give him another week? Is it lose and lose ya job sort of thing?
You can't do that to AB. He's been given the job until the end of the season, lets see what happens.
Assuming he’s been given a contract until the end of the season, that will amount to a few weeks wages, he can be sacked at the drop of a hat without costing too much surely
Who mentioned money??
What you're suggesting is that we adopt a knee jerk reaction to a bad result at Bristol Rovers and then replace the manager for the last 9 games of the season, that's if we can find a decent manager to step in within the next 5 days or so.
As a club we have a reputation for doing things properly, it's one of the reasons that we are inundated with manager applications when we do advertise for a manager. That's a reputation that we need to maintain, the thought of abandoning all that on a gamble is a step too far.
Knee Jerk? Knee Jerk? Have you seen our form.. we have blown a fantastic position in the league.. all the fans I go with are fed up.. nothing is knee jerk.. our form and performances are woeful... and I for one wanted Butler to be successful but in the last month we've had a number of winnable fixtures and not won one.. and look devoid of ideas... the board will have to get out of their comfort zone before the end of the season and make a decision given our dreadful run of results!
100% Butler will still be the manager next season.
We didn't sack Ferguson when he got us relegated.
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From 3rd with three games in hand to this. I wonder how this rates in Rovers history regarding collapses in form?
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Perhaps it’s a micro collapse. But it still hurts
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Harlan looks a good centre forward.
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Our form.. W 2 D 2 L 5 under Butler.. since 6th Feb including Moore.. W 2 D 3 L9... nothing is knee jerk.. its not good enough.. time for the board to dust off the cobwebs, get out there armchair and demonstrate to fans that results and performances do matter and we are an ambitious club otherwise fans will think twice to get season tickets and all the vicious circle that leads to with less revenue, lower wages etc. Time to show some strong decision making, demonstrate leadership and give fans a team to look forward to seeing post pandemic and hope of brighter times to come, including a manager who can get results and take us forward in league one.
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We are totally shit no confidence keep giving the ball away no fight in them at all
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The headline should have read , WHEN we lose today
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I know there are plenty happy to dismiss this, but surely this is a huge cause for concern.
We have kept 7 clean sheets all season.
The bottom four in League One?
Bristol Rovers - 7
AFC Wimbledon - 7
Wigan Athletic - 8
Rochdale - 7
This is very poor.
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Clueless
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I'd definitely start the application process after that. Give people 2 weeks to apply, that gives the players 4 games to show if they want Butler or not.
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There's many warning lights flashing and they can't be ignored. Having said that, they may as well wait for the summer now to replace Butler, the season is over. Can't turn this around.
But in the background that process must be underway, don't wait until May to start it and it take 4 weeks wasting half the off season.
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That’s a poor performance. Plain and simple. BR wanted it more. Looking at the 5abke you can see why. It’s like Rovers have just given up. When they levelled the commentator on iplayer remarked that was the risk, and so it was.
Lokilo and bogle both poor. Richards showed spark and was taken off oddly. The stats speak for themselves. Very few shots on target. No aggressive attacking play from anyone. Far, far too many incomplete passes. No leadership on the field at all.
I’m not blaming Butler. I blame the players.
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I wouldn’t be too bothered if a few this load of dross don’t sign another contract, and that Richards and bogel lazy or what , a 40 year old player was the first one behind the ball every time
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There’s no money to retain the players we’ve got for next season, they’re being offered relative peanuts, there’s no money for a so called ‘high profile’ manager and if there was he’d have his hands tied, in fact he’d be in a straight jacket.
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No wonder we can’t keep hold of a manager
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There’s no money to retain the players we’ve got for next season, they’re being offered relative peanuts, there’s no money for a so called ‘high profile’ manager and if there was he’d have his hands tied, in fact he’d be in a straight jacket.
And so it begins. :silly:
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People thinking it was odd that Richards went off...the lad isn't bothered when he's on the pitch.
He gives away at bare minimum 6 foul every game that are just him booting an opposition player. He runs down blind alleys at every opportunity. I was amazed he passed to Copps for our goal because he almost always tries an ill-advised shot from that position, but it was business as usual after that.
He probably was better than any one of Lokilo, Bogle or Fey but that is saying very, very little of those three today. He's a liability and he cost us the game with his utterly stupid error for their second goal. He should have been taken off there and then.
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Richards is really quite possibly the worst foul giver in recent history. He may as well give the ref a little note before each game telegraphing the fouls he is going to make. So obvious every single time.
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That second goal is more than half his doing, imo. Why did he f**k about with that free kick rather than let Horton take it? what the f**k was he trying to achieve? why did he then play a shite ball across the pitch that was nowhere near strong enough? who the f**k does he think he is?
I don't really rate Lokilo but I thought he had a better game than Richards. At least Lokilo looked threatening, and very nearly scored. Richards seems to think he's a legend and can stroll through everyone every single week then score a worldy.
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There’s no money to retain the players we’ve got for next season, they’re being offered relative peanuts, there’s no money for a so called ‘high profile’ manager and if there was he’d have his hands tied, in fact he’d be in a straight jacket.
Evidence?
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There’s no money to retain the players we’ve got for next season, they’re being offered relative peanuts, there’s no money for a so called ‘high profile’ manager and if there was he’d have his hands tied, in fact he’d be in a straight jacket.
Evidence?
He hasn't got any.
Somebody is telling him things, that I can guarantee, but the information he's getting is from a certain side of the dressing room. Not one that will be here much longer.
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There’s no money to retain the players we’ve got for next season, they’re being offered relative peanuts, there’s no money for a so called ‘high profile’ manager and if there was he’d have his hands tied, in fact he’d be in a straight jacket.
Evidence?
He hasn't got any.
Somebody is telling him things, that I can guarantee, but the information he's getting is from a certain side of the dressing room. Not one that will be here much longer.
Seems to be a common story though doesn't from people who leave the club?
Dickov one example.
How many more people have to say it before it has some significance?
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There’s no money to retain the players we’ve got for next season, they’re being offered relative peanuts, there’s no money for a so called ‘high profile’ manager and if there was he’d have his hands tied, in fact he’d be in a straight jacket.
Evidence?
He hasn't got any.
Somebody is telling him things, that I can guarantee, but the information he's getting is from a certain side of the dressing room. Not one that will be here much longer.
Seems to be a common story though doesn't from people who leave the club?
Dickov one example.
How many more people have to say it before it has some significance?
What is it that people are saying? What is this common theme?
Tell me what Dickov had to say because I can't think of anything.
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There’s no money to retain the players we’ve got for next season, they’re being offered relative peanuts, there’s no money for a so called ‘high profile’ manager and if there was he’d have his hands tied, in fact he’d be in a straight jacket.
Evidence?
There was an interview that did the rounds about 18 months ago when he spoke about his time at the club and how there was no way he could achieve the goals the club wanted with the budget given.
He hasn't got any.
Somebody is telling him things, that I can guarantee, but the information he's getting is from a certain side of the dressing room. Not one that will be here much longer.
Seems to be a common story though doesn't from people who leave the club?
Dickov one example.
How many more people have to say it before it has some significance?
What is it that people are saying? What is this common theme?
Tell me what Dickov had to say because I can't think of anything.
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There’s no money to retain the players we’ve got for next season, they’re being offered relative peanuts, there’s no money for a so called ‘high profile’ manager and if there was he’d have his hands tied, in fact he’d be in a straight jacket.
Evidence?
He hasn't got any.
Somebody is telling him things, that I can guarantee, but the information he's getting is from a certain side of the dressing room. Not one that will be here much longer.
Seems to be a common story though doesn't from people who leave the club?
Dickov one example.
How many more people have to say it before it has some significance?
What is it that people are saying? What is this common theme?
Tell me what Dickov had to say because I can't think of anything.
There was an interview that did the rounds about 18 months ago when he spoke about his time at the club and how there was no way he could achieve the goals the club wanted with the budget given.
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There’s no money to retain the players we’ve got for next season, they’re being offered relative peanuts, there’s no money for a so called ‘high profile’ manager and if there was he’d have his hands tied, in fact he’d be in a straight jacket.
Evidence?
He hasn't got any.
Somebody is telling him things, that I can guarantee, but the information he's getting is from a certain side of the dressing room. Not one that will be here much longer.
Seems to be a common story though doesn't from people who leave the club?
Dickov one example.
How many more people have to say it before it has some significance?
What is it that people are saying? What is this common theme?
Tell me what Dickov had to say because I can't think of anything.
There was an interview that did the rounds about 18 months ago when he spoke about his time at the club and how there was no way he could achieve the goals the club wanted with the budget given.
Two sides to that equation
1) The budget
2) Dickov's ability
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Add to that some of the players who've left over the last few years, and what they had to say about the new contracts they were offered.
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There’s no money to retain the players we’ve got for next season, they’re being offered relative peanuts, there’s no money for a so called ‘high profile’ manager and if there was he’d have his hands tied, in fact he’d be in a straight jacket.
Evidence?
He hasn't got any.
Somebody is telling him things, that I can guarantee, but the information he's getting is from a certain side of the dressing room. Not one that will be here much longer.
Seems to be a common story though doesn't from people who leave the club?
Dickov one example.
How many more people have to say it before it has some significance?
What is it that people are saying? What is this common theme?
Tell me what Dickov had to say because I can't think of anything.
There was an interview that did the rounds about 18 months ago when he spoke about his time at the club and how there was no way he could achieve the goals the club wanted with the budget given.
So, firstly that's not evidence. And secondly a manager leaves a club and blames the size of the budget, what's new?
The thing that surprises me though, is why we have a certain element of our supporters who always believe that the club MUST be at fault and spend their whole time looking for something. They'd rather believe somebody the club has sacked rather than the club they say they support. Why is that?
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Add to that some of the players who've left over the last few years, and what they had to say about the new contracts they were offered.
Is that evidence?
Players leave all the time and I've yet to hear one who said the offer he had was good enough but he still wanted to leave. Or that his demands were far beyond the club. It does happen you know, players do ask for far more than they're worth!!
And yet, somehow this is the clubs fault?
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There’s no money to retain the players we’ve got for next season, they’re being offered relative peanuts, there’s no money for a so called ‘high profile’ manager and if there was he’d have his hands tied, in fact he’d be in a straight jacket.
Evidence?
He hasn't got any.
Somebody is telling him things, that I can guarantee, but the information he's getting is from a certain side of the dressing room. Not one that will be here much longer.
Seems to be a common story though doesn't from people who leave the club?
Dickov one example.
How many more people have to say it before it has some significance?
What is it that people are saying? What is this common theme?
Tell me what Dickov had to say because I can't think of anything.
There was an interview that did the rounds about 18 months ago when he spoke about his time at the club and how there was no way he could achieve the goals the club wanted with the budget given.
So, firstly that's not evidence. And secondly a manager leaves a club and blames the size of the budget, what's new?
The thing that surprises me though, is why we have a certain element of our supporters who always believe that the club MUST be at fault and spend their whole time looking for something. They'd rather believe somebody the club has sacked rather than the club they say they support. Why is that?
Dickov is just one example.
Some recent ex players have said similar, in terms of pay cuts, etc.
What i'd really like to know is why the club is intent on the model of short term contracts for its own players and over reliance on loan signings. And why we don't replace the assets we sell (Marquis, Whiteman, Marosi, etc) As posted elsewhere, the top four teams have ten loan players between them.
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There’s no money to retain the players we’ve got for next season, they’re being offered relative peanuts, there’s no money for a so called ‘high profile’ manager and if there was he’d have his hands tied, in fact he’d be in a straight jacket.
Evidence?
He hasn't got any.
Somebody is telling him things, that I can guarantee, but the information he's getting is from a certain side of the dressing room. Not one that will be here much longer.
That is very revealing SM. Does this mean we have a divided dressing room? We all know what happened when the 2011/12 squad was basically split down the middle.
Very concerning to read and perhaps an indicator of why our performances and results have gone off a cliff?
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The loan lads. Some more committed than others I would have thought.
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There’s no money to retain the players we’ve got for next season, they’re being offered relative peanuts, there’s no money for a so called ‘high profile’ manager and if there was he’d have his hands tied, in fact he’d be in a straight jacket.
Evidence?
He hasn't got any.
Somebody is telling him things, that I can guarantee, but the information he's getting is from a certain side of the dressing room. Not one that will be here much longer.
That is very revealing SM. Does this mean we have a divided dressing room? We all know what happened when the 2011/12 squad was basically split down the middle.
Very concerning to read and perhaps an indicator of why our performances and results have gone off a cliff?
I remember being at Cantley Park at the back end of that season.
Our own players in one group and the experiment lads clearly keeping themselves 8n another one.
There was little interchange between the two.
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There’s no money to retain the players we’ve got for next season, they’re being offered relative peanuts, there’s no money for a so called ‘high profile’ manager and if there was he’d have his hands tied, in fact he’d be in a straight jacket.
Evidence?
He hasn't got any.
Somebody is telling him things, that I can guarantee, but the information he's getting is from a certain side of the dressing room. Not one that will be here much longer.
There you go again, passing on blame. Insinuating that certain players are to blame for this situation and there are trouble causers in the ranks.
Who implements the structure that possibly causes things like this? Who recruited the players? Who is behind the want for high player turnover and turbulent summers every year allow no real stability?
You constantly try to deflect issues away from potential issues with the clubs structure and mistakes the may have made/ still be making.
We all know the owners do an amazing job parting with their hard earned money keeping the club afloat. That doesn’t mean they are immune to criticism and do everything right.
The way you defend everything they have done in nearly every post and try and deflect things away is hilarious.
The board didn’t make a mistake appointing Butler, the players are the issue.
Henshall was brilliant at his job yet the players are the issue.
The loan system is great yet the players are the issue.
Players contracts allowed to run down and causing them to spend the end of the season in limbo... that was Moores fault.
Your painting certain players, that won’t be here next season, as trouble makers... who would that be? Richards? Balcombe? Simoes? Lokilo? Smith? James? Robertson? Gomes? All were involved today. Do you know some of them are trouble and Butler doesn’t? Surely if they were a major issue he wouldn’t have them around the squad.
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There’s no money to retain the players we’ve got for next season, they’re being offered relative peanuts, there’s no money for a so called ‘high profile’ manager and if there was he’d have his hands tied, in fact he’d be in a straight jacket.
Evidence?
He hasn't got any.
Somebody is telling him things, that I can guarantee, but the information he's getting is from a certain side of the dressing room. Not one that will be here much longer.
What?!
Your saying he has no evidence, but also confirm he's getting information from a player?!
What is it? Because you've just contradicted yourself.
But I can tell you from the outside looking in, it certainly looks like he's spot on in what he's saying, it makes perfect sense.
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There’s no money to retain the players we’ve got for next season, they’re being offered relative peanuts, there’s no money for a so called ‘high profile’ manager and if there was he’d have his hands tied, in fact he’d be in a straight jacket.
Evidence?
He hasn't got any.
Somebody is telling him things, that I can guarantee, but the information he's getting is from a certain side of the dressing room. Not one that will be here much longer.
This is interesting.
Taylor?
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There’s no money to retain the players we’ve got for next season, they’re being offered relative peanuts, there’s no money for a so called ‘high profile’ manager and if there was he’d have his hands tied, in fact he’d be in a straight jacket.
Evidence?
He hasn't got any.
Somebody is telling him things, that I can guarantee, but the information he's getting is from a certain side of the dressing room. Not one that will be here much longer.
What?!
Your saying he has no evidence, but also confirm he's getting information from a player?!
What is it? Because you've just contradicted yourself.
But I can tell you from the outside looking in, it certainly looks like he's spot on in what he's saying, it makes perfect sense.
The statement was there is no money to retain the players we've got for next season, that is what there is no evidence for. SM agrees somebody may be stirring things, try reading what is said before diving in, from the outside looking in it's talking bo!!ocks again
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There’s no money to retain the players we’ve got for next season, they’re being offered relative peanuts, there’s no money for a so called ‘high profile’ manager and if there was he’d have his hands tied, in fact he’d be in a straight jacket.
Evidence?
He hasn't got any.
Somebody is telling him things, that I can guarantee, but the information he's getting is from a certain side of the dressing room. Not one that will be here much longer.
What?!
Your saying he has no evidence, but also confirm he's getting information from a player?!
What is it? Because you've just contradicted yourself.
But I can tell you from the outside looking in, it certainly looks like he's spot on in what he's saying, it makes perfect sense.
The statement was there is no money to retain the players we've got for next season, that is what there is no evidence for. SM agrees somebody may be stirring things, try reading what is said before diving in, from the outside looking in it's talking bo!!ocks again
Thanks ravenrover, I'm glad that my post was understood the way it was written. I really hate it when posters challenge what I write without bothering to read what I've written, their desperation to prove me wrong is too apparent.
But yes, it was about finances and having evidence to support the argument that we're offering peanuts to existing players, none of which is true. There's an agreement between the club, players and their agents, as there has been all season, that contract negotiations can wait for a while.
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Michael Gibson : Interim fan.
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There’s no money to retain the players we’ve got for next season, they’re being offered relative peanuts, there’s no money for a so called ‘high profile’ manager and if there was he’d have his hands tied, in fact he’d be in a straight jacket.
Evidence?
He hasn't got any.
Somebody is telling him things, that I can guarantee, but the information he's getting is from a certain side of the dressing room. Not one that will be here much longer.
What?!
Your saying he has no evidence, but also confirm he's getting information from a player?!
What is it? Because you've just contradicted yourself.
But I can tell you from the outside looking in, it certainly looks like he's spot on in what he's saying, it makes perfect sense.
Ha ha, S_Ms a witch, burn him! Butlers a witch too, burn him. The board are all witches, burnt the lot of them!
They're all out to get us. They're all evil. Burn them! Burn them!!!!
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Letting our better players get to the last few months of their contracts is a disgrace.
We may have agreements with the player and his agent but that’s not going to stop other clubs offering them contracts.
It’s negligence
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Letting our better players get to the last few months of their contracts is a disgrace.
We may have agreements with the player and his agent but that’s not going to stop other clubs offering them contracts.
It’s negligence
If you say so, you being the expert on contracts and stuff.
What you forget of course is that this season has been very different for all kinds of reasons, Covid had a major impact and the players themselves have been helping where they can, they've all deferred a portion of their wages to help the club get through. Part of that agreement has been to look at contract renewals and establish a timeline that suits both parties.
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Other clubs have offered contracts to players and I’m in no doubt other clubs will be offering contracts to our players.
If we lose some of them then it’s been very poor from our point of view
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There’s no money to retain the players we’ve got for next season, they’re being offered relative peanuts, there’s no money for a so called ‘high profile’ manager and if there was he’d have his hands tied, in fact he’d be in a straight jacket.
Evidence?
He hasn't got any.
Somebody is telling him things, that I can guarantee, but the information he's getting is from a certain side of the dressing room. Not one that will be here much longer.
There you go again, passing on blame. Insinuating that certain players are to blame for this situation and there are trouble causers in the ranks.
Who implements the structure that possibly causes things like this? Who recruited the players? Who is behind the want for high player turnover and turbulent summers every year allow no real stability?
You constantly try to deflect issues away from potential issues with the clubs structure and mistakes the may have made/ still be making.
We all know the owners do an amazing job parting with their hard earned money keeping the club afloat. That doesn’t mean they are immune to criticism and do everything right.
The way you defend everything they have done in nearly every post and try and deflect things away is hilarious.
The board didn’t make a mistake appointing Butler, the players are the issue.
Henshall was brilliant at his job yet the players are the issue.
The loan system is great yet the players are the issue.
Players contracts allowed to run down and causing them to spend the end of the season in limbo... that was Moores fault.
Your painting certain players, that won’t be here next season, as trouble makers... who would that be? Richards? Balcombe? Simoes? Lokilo? Smith? James? Robertson? Gomes? All were involved today. Do you know some of them are trouble and Butler doesn’t? Surely if they were a major issue he wouldn’t have them around the squad.
Hmm, there I go again?
I think you misinterpret a lot of what I say on purpose, and you also credit me with things I haven't said. The points you've made above are proof of that.
I also think you should just listen to the JC interview after the game yesterday and then re-read my post. It's that simple.
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I have heard via a reliable-ish source that the there is a split in the team. Apparently the players split into groups by race. (On the team bus for example)
It may make sense as people are drawn to similar people (homophily) and it may be a crock of shit
However after watching the ‘performance’ yesterday I am tempted to believe it.
No team cohesion and some players can’t pass water at the moment
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I have heard via a reliable-ish source that the there is a split in the team. Apparently the players split into groups by race. (On the team bus for example)
It may make sense as people are drawn to similar people (homophily) and it may be a crock of shit
However after watching the ‘performance’ yesterday I am tempted to believe it.
No team cohesion and some players can’t pass water at the moment
Players will be closer to some players more than others, Richards probably has more in common with TJJ than Coppinger as they're similar ages and grew up together, probably play FIFA, etc. The only thing that matters is that they're giving 100% on the field and if they're not then Greaves, Horton, Ravenhill can come in for them.
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I know there are plenty happy to dismiss this, but surely this is a huge cause for concern.
We have kept 7 clean sheets all season.
The bottom four in League One?
Bristol Rovers - 7
AFC Wimbledon - 7
Wigan Athletic - 8
Rochdale - 7
This is very poor.
And yet again. No clean sheet yet again. Simple ball into the box that the defence failed to deal with again. Time and time again.
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And another one. Yet again from a corner. Same as all season.
Repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat.
Nothing ever changes with our defensive unit. Terrible.
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I like this new defending a corner tactic we are using. For those that haven’t seen it I will summarise... we watch the ball and the attacking team to see what they can create then shout at each other when it’s in the net. Pure class to watch as a fan!
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What's going on with this squad. Completely thrown the towel in. Shambolic.
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I've been saying this for ages and ages now. This defensive unit is terrible, absolutely terrible. Totally unable to keep a clean sheet. I haven't checked the stats this week but I think we may have kept the fewest clean sheets in League One.
It's no good people saying defending is a team game and we need to press all over the pitch. This defensive unit is dreadful at defending simple balls into the box and absolutely risible at defending corners.
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This is laughable if it wasn't so serious !!
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Things will just keep getting worse until someone takes charge .
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Total powderpuff defending yet again. They walked through the defence for the third. Not even a semblance of a tackle. Nothing.
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Players with one eye on their next contract and a manager incapable of doing anything about it.
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If I was Butler I'd remind them that these are the performance that they are remembered for if they are looking for contracts else where they won't get them
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This thread needs re titling. When we lose again today.
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When was the last time we went in at half time 3-0 down at home in the league?
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When was the last time we went in at half time 3-0 down at home in the league?
Sunderland away. It's 3-1 now though, at least.
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When was the last time we went in at half time 3-0 down at home in the league?
Sunderland away. It's 3-1 now though, at least.
True but my question was at home in the league. Better reworded anyway as having conceded three at home in the first half at home.
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When was the last time we went in at half time 3-0 down at home in the league?
Sunderland away. It's 3-1 now though, at least.
LoL.
Soz MM, have to giggle at that reply.
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Nine of the away teams are winning at half time today in lge one. Bizarre.
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I missed the at home bit, but then I am peering out from behind my fingers watching our defending so you can't really blame me!
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We have now kept one clean sheet in our last sixteen games.
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I've been saying this for ages and ages now. This defensive unit is terrible, absolutely terrible. Totally unable to keep a clean sheet. I haven't checked the stats this week but I think we may have kept the fewest clean sheets in League One.
It's no good people saying defending is a team game and we need to press all over the pitch. This defensive unit is dreadful at defending simple balls into the box and absolutely risible at defending corners.
22. Wimbledon - 7
23. Doncaster - 7
24. Swindon - 4
That's as things stand. There's a few teams on 8, including Wigan.
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I've been saying this for ages and ages now. This defensive unit is terrible, absolutely terrible. Totally unable to keep a clean sheet. I haven't checked the stats this week but I think we may have kept the fewest clean sheets in League One.
It's no good people saying defending is a team game and we need to press all over the pitch. This defensive unit is dreadful at defending simple balls into the box and absolutely risible at defending corners.
22. Wimbledon - 7
23. Doncaster - 7
24. Swindon - 4
That's as things stand. There's a few teams on 8, including Wigan.
That is pretty dreadful really.
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I've been saying this for ages and ages now. This defensive unit is terrible, absolutely terrible. Totally unable to keep a clean sheet. I haven't checked the stats this week but I think we may have kept the fewest clean sheets in League One.
It's no good people saying defending is a team game and we need to press all over the pitch. This defensive unit is dreadful at defending simple balls into the box and absolutely risible at defending corners.
22. Wimbledon - 7
23. Doncaster - 7
24. Swindon - 4
That's as things stand. There's a few teams on 8, including Wigan.
That is pretty dreadful really.
8th worst shots against per game too.
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This is the worst defensive unit we have had since ATS, MacKenzie and McCullough.
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This is the worst defensive unit we have had since ATS, MacKenzie and McCullough.
Best in L1 apparently.
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We have now kept one clean sheet in our last sixteen games.
And we have our best defender stood on the touch line playing manager.
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There’s no money to retain the players we’ve got for next season, they’re being offered relative peanuts, there’s no money for a so called ‘high profile’ manager and if there was he’d have his hands tied, in fact he’d be in a straight jacket.
Evidence?
He hasn't got any.
Somebody is telling him things, that I can guarantee, but the information he's getting is from a certain side of the dressing room. Not one that will be here much longer.
This.