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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Getridorit on April 05, 2021, 05:16:29 pm
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We need leadership at board level to sort this mess out.
They appointed butler in the blind hope it would work. This despite the rot already set in long before Moore left, nothing whatsoever suggested butler, a complete rookie could turn it around, especially with him being apart of the problem before.
He was the easy, and cheap option, no other reason
The club needs fresh managerial blood to shake it up. This was blatantly obvious before hand.
Charlton, Sunderland and pompey showed what should have been done.
How many other clubs would have appointed their part time ladies coach, with ZERO football league managerial experience, to take over when 5th in the table?!??
Absolutely f**king shambolic, and needs sorting NOW!
The way the club as a whole has thrown this season away is unforgivable.
Butler out now!
Get an experienced manager in who know what he's doing, and who can start planning now for next season.
I fear fans won't come back very quickly unless this is sorted ASAP, and I'll be thinking very hard about Wether to renew my season ticket unless more ambition, leadership and forward planning is shown by the club.
SORT IT NOW!!!!!!
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The board are content ! Clear out in the summer , reduce the wage bill get rid of high earners where possible. Recruit more loans and get in a young Manager who just wants to prove himself. So it’s Butlers job if he still fancies it !!
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The board are content ! Clear out in the summer , reduce the wage bill get rid of high earners where possible. Recruit more loans and get in a young Manager who just wants to prove himself. So it’s Butlers job if he still fancies it !!
If that's what pans out mate, then I'm done until it changes.
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The board don't give a f**k
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We need leadership at board level to sort this mess out.
They appointed butler in the blind hope it would work. This despite the rot already set in long before Moore left, nothing whatsoever suggested butler, a complete rookie could turn it around, especially with him being apart of the problem before.
He was the easy, and cheap option, no other reason
The club needs fresh managerial blood to shake it up. This was blatantly obvious before hand.
Charlton, Sunderland and pompey showed what should have been done.
How many other clubs would have appointed their part time ladies coach, with ZERO football league managerial experience, to take over when 5th in the table?!??
Absolutely f**king shambolic, and needs sorting NOW!
The way the club as a whole has thrown this season away is unforgivable.
Butler out now!
Get an experienced manager in who know what he's doing, and who can start planning now for next season.
I fear fans won't come back very quickly unless this is sorted ASAP, and I'll be thinking very hard about Wether to renew my season ticket unless more ambition, leadership and forward planning is shown by the club.
SORT IT NOW!!!!!!
Thanks Clem, I think you've touched on this before.
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Like has been said elsewhere, they put in a lot of money every season, but to me it is just money wasted at the minute. The whole strategy of the club needs a rethink.
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The board are content ! Clear out in the summer , reduce the wage bill get rid of high earners where possible. Recruit more loans and get in a young Manager who just wants to prove himself. So it’s Butlers job if he still fancies it !!
They better get prepared for a relegation scrap then..
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They're out in force tonight, now wasn't that expected!
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They're out in force tonight, now wasn't that expected!
Perhaps cos most fans are frustrated with the demise of our promising season... and poor decision making..
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Imagine if this was the start of a new season
https://thefishy.co.uk/formtable.php?table=3
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Before the start of the season Gavin tried to sell us the idea that plenty of loan deals was the way to go , and that he had done his home work and that most clubs that get out of this division had 5 loanees.
Well i've done my Home Work (3 mins) and as it stands right now the top 4 in L1 have a total of 10 loans between them , The top 2 only have 4 between them, with second place Peterborough only having 1 and he's from Huddersfield.
So IMHO it looks like he's placed to much faith in the high quality loan market and it's back fired massively. Let's see if gets his fingers burnt again next season.
I hope who ever is the new Manager makes a stand and limits the Loans to 3.
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Before the start of the season Gavin tried to sell us the idea that plenty of loan deals was the way to go , and that he had done his home work and that most clubs that get out of this division had 5 loanees.
Well i've done my Home Work (3 mins) and as it stands right now the top 4 in L1 have a total of 10 loans between them , The top 2 only have 4 between them, with second place Peterborough only having 1 and he's from Huddersfield.
So IMHO it looks like he's placed to much faith in the high quality loan market and it's back fired massively. Let's see if gets his fingers burnt again next season.
I hope who ever is the new Manager makes a stand and limits the Loans to 3.
The club want to run a squad on loan signings and short term contracts for players we sign.
Can anyone give me any examples of other clubs where this model has been successful?
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I rarely find a need to criticise the board, but why Butler to this day is still without an assistant/colleague, call it what you will, is very suprising. The methods they employ to find managers are sound enough, but the inflexibility when things change is clearly hurting us. I feel they aren't flexible enough to try on capitalise on good positions in January, if and when they come about. Was there ever any plan b?
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Before the start of the season Gavin tried to sell us the idea that plenty of loan deals was the way to go , and that he had done his home work and that most clubs that get out of this division had 5 loanees.
Well i've done my Home Work (3 mins) and as it stands right now the top 4 in L1 have a total of 10 loans between them , The top 2 only have 4 between them, with second place Peterborough only having 1 and he's from Huddersfield.
So IMHO it looks like he's placed to much faith in the high quality loan market and it's back fired massively. Let's see if gets his fingers burnt again next season.
I hope who ever is the new Manager makes a stand and limits the Loans to 3.
They are probably spending way more than we can though. We have to accept loans will be important for us whoever the manager is. I think this season has to be a lesson in balancing it better.
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Before the start of the season Gavin tried to sell us the idea that plenty of loan deals was the way to go , and that he had done his home work and that most clubs that get out of this division had 5 loanees.
Well i've done my Home Work (3 mins) and as it stands right now the top 4 in L1 have a total of 10 loans between them , The top 2 only have 4 between them, with second place Peterborough only having 1 and he's from Huddersfield.
So IMHO it looks like he's placed to much faith in the high quality loan market and it's back fired massively. Let's see if gets his fingers burnt again next season.
I hope who ever is the new Manager makes a stand and limits the Loans to 3.
The club want to run a squad on loan signings and short term contracts for players we sign.
Can anyone give me any examples of other clubs where this model has been successful?
Blackpool got into the prem doing this.. Only the oywstons greed destroyed it.
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Before the start of the season Gavin tried to sell us the idea that plenty of loan deals was the way to go , and that he had done his home work and that most clubs that get out of this division had 5 loanees.
Well i've done my Home Work (3 mins) and as it stands right now the top 4 in L1 have a total of 10 loans between them , The top 2 only have 4 between them, with second place Peterborough only having 1 and he's from Huddersfield.
So IMHO it looks like he's placed to much faith in the high quality loan market and it's back fired massively. Let's see if gets his fingers burnt again next season.
I hope who ever is the new Manager makes a stand and limits the Loans to 3.
The club want to run a squad on loan signings and short term contracts for players we sign.
Can anyone give me any examples of other clubs where this model has been successful?
Blackpool got into the prem doing this.. Only the oywstons greed destroyed it.
Blackpool did do that but the quality of there loans were far better than we have got, they also signed Charlie Adam that year, loans are a good thing used correctly
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I rarely find a need to criticise the board, but why Butler to this day is still without an assistant/colleague, call it what you will, is very suprising. The methods they employ to find managers are sound enough, but the inflexibility when things change is clearly hurting us. I feel they aren't flexible enough to try on capitalise on good positions in January, if and when they come about. Was there ever any plan b?
that isn’t the boards fault, it was butlers choice not to appoint an assistant.
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Butler should be told when he needs an assistant. He's given a mandate from the people running the club, and if they gave him that much freedom its an incredible misstep.
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I do hope everybody who is contributing to the general ethos that the board don't care, and that they'll be cutting back and appointing a cheap manager, or appointing AB etc etc will be back on this form apologising when the board prove you wrong.
Your names are going on a list! ;)
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I do hope everybody who is contributing to the general ethos that the board don't care, and that they'll be cutting back and appointing a cheap manager, or appointing AB etc etc will be back on this form apologising when the board prove you wrong.
Your names are going on a list! ;)
When something happens to prove us wrong, then yes I'll apologise.
However, I have a feeling I may be waiting a while.
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Vot is your name?
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Don't tell him Pike!
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Ah! Pike!
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https://youtu.be/_YMVPXmaKds
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Before the start of the season Gavin tried to sell us the idea that plenty of loan deals was the way to go , and that he had done his home work and that most clubs that get out of this division had 5 loanees.
Well i've done my Home Work (3 mins) and as it stands right now the top 4 in L1 have a total of 10 loans between them , The top 2 only have 4 between them, with second place Peterborough only having 1 and he's from Huddersfield.
So IMHO it looks like he's placed to much faith in the high quality loan market and it's back fired massively. Let's see if gets his fingers burnt again next season.
I hope who ever is the new Manager makes a stand and limits the Loans to 3.
The club want to run a squad on loan signings and short term contracts for players we sign.
Can anyone give me any examples of other clubs where this model has been successful?
Blackpool got into the prem doing this.. Only the oywstons greed destroyed it.
Blackpool did do that but the quality of there loans were far better than we have got, they also signed Charlie Adam that year, loans are a good thing used correctly
Among our loans we have:
A curent full International
A player signed by a PL club in 2019 for £2.5 million
A player from a PL club reputedly for sale at Christmas for £1.6million who has been our best player (when fit)
An England International at 3 Youth Levels
We could sign better than those for a fee could we?
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The board don't give a f**k
of all my years reading this board this statement is the biggest load of bs going....... Thr boards don't care,????Jesus.
If u was Terry I would walk away if the vilification gets any worse. Then watch us slide without any investment. How many of these so called supporters will follow us if we do.slide down.
Grow a pair
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The board are content ! Clear out in the summer , reduce the wage bill get rid of high earners where possible. Recruit more loans and get in a young Manager who just wants to prove himself. So it’s Butlers job if he still fancies it !!
If that's what pans out mate, then I'm done until it changes.
I agree . Yet based on the current drop off in performance and results it maybe too late to alter this current direction and it could be left to just play out .
Their Investment in the club isn’t in doubt but the board will not walk away , but could seek to sell on to another . We will all have to wait this one out ! But I stand by my opinion that if goes tits up they will draw in the purse strings .
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Before the start of the season Gavin tried to sell us the idea that plenty of loan deals was the way to go , and that he had done his home work and that most clubs that get out of this division had 5 loanees.
Well i've done my Home Work (3 mins) and as it stands right now the top 4 in L1 have a total of 10 loans between them , The top 2 only have 4 between them, with second place Peterborough only having 1 and he's from Huddersfield.
So IMHO it looks like he's placed to much faith in the high quality loan market and it's back fired massively. Let's see if gets his fingers burnt again next season.
I hope who ever is the new Manager makes a stand and limits the Loans to 3.
The club want to run a squad on loan signings and short term contracts for players we sign.
Can anyone give me any examples of other clubs where this model has been successful?
Blackpool got into the prem doing this.. Only the oywstons greed destroyed it.
Blackpool did do that but the quality of there loans were far better than we have got, they also signed Charlie Adam that year, loans are a good thing used correctly
Among our loans we have:
A curent full International
A player signed by a PL club in 2019 for £2.5 million
A player from a PL club reputedly for sale at Christmas for £1.6million who has been our best player (when fit)
An England International at 3 Youth Levels
We could sign better than those for a fee could we?
No , but i never said ditch the loans ,i said stick to 3 loans ,and i'd take the top 3 you mentioned no problem.
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Agree with that sign 3 top quality loans (Sims, Smith, Richards) and save the other loan places for Jan to support if there's injuries.
Question marks maybe over Richards been in the top 3 i've chose, after recent performances, but he's probably won us more points than anyone else this season
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We need leadership at board level to sort this mess out.
They appointed butler in the blind hope it would work. This despite the rot already set in long before Moore left, nothing whatsoever suggested butler, a complete rookie could turn it around, especially with him being apart of the problem before.
He was the easy, and cheap option, no other reason
The club needs fresh managerial blood to shake it up. This was blatantly obvious before hand.
Charlton, Sunderland and pompey showed what should have been done.
How many other clubs would have appointed their part time ladies coach, with ZERO football league managerial experience, to take over when 5th in the table?!??
Absolutely f**king shambolic, and needs sorting NOW!
The way the club as a whole has thrown this season away is unforgivable.
Butler out now!
Get an experienced manager in who know what he's doing, and who can start planning now for next season.
I fear fans won't come back very quickly unless this is sorted ASAP, and I'll be thinking very hard about Wether to renew my season ticket unless more ambition, leadership and forward planning is shown by the club.
SORT IT NOW!!!!!!
Can't really disagree with any of that tbf.
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Slide without investment? We’re doing pretty well at sliding with it!
Root and branch overall of the entire ethos at the Club is required, if we’re going to learn anything from this catastrophic melt-down.
Someone made the choice to go with AB and that someone has yet to admit that it’s been a complete disaster. Take some responsibility for goodness sake.
The last 3 managers have not stayed long enough to make an impression, but all 3 have showed their capabilities during their time with us. We simply can’t seem to hang onto anyone, decent players or managers. I wonder why that is, because it’s becoming a bit of a trend!
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Before the start of the season Gavin tried to sell us the idea that plenty of loan deals was the way to go , and that he had done his home work and that most clubs that get out of this division had 5 loanees.
Well i've done my Home Work (3 mins) and as it stands right now the top 4 in L1 have a total of 10 loans between them , The top 2 only have 4 between them, with second place Peterborough only having 1 and he's from Huddersfield.
So IMHO it looks like he's placed to much faith in the high quality loan market and it's back fired massively. Let's see if gets his fingers burnt again next season.
I hope who ever is the new Manager makes a stand and limits the Loans to 3.
The club want to run a squad on loan signings and short term contracts for players we sign.
Can anyone give me any examples of other clubs where this model has been successful?
Blackpool got into the prem doing this.. Only the oywstons greed destroyed it.
Blackpool did do that but the quality of there loans were far better than we have got, they also signed Charlie Adam that year, loans are a good thing used correctly
Among our loans we have:
A curent full International
A player signed by a PL club in 2019 for £2.5 million
A player from a PL club reputedly for sale at Christmas for £1.6million who has been our best player (when fit)
An England International at 3 Youth Levels
We could sign better than those for a fee could we?
No , but i never said ditch the loans ,i said stick to 3 loans ,and i'd take the top 3 you mentioned no problem.
just like to had Bristol Rovers only have 3 loanees , of which only 1 played and guess what , he scored both goals today.
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One thing I’ve learnt from betting on football to a pretty serious level for 20 years is that teams that end seasons like we are currently end up in serious trouble the following season. The club may think this is an inconvenience that can be sorted in the summer and start a fresh, it doesn’t work like that I can assure you. That’s what Bristol Rovers thought in the summer and look at their league position. They brought in some pretty decent players but the rot had set in last season and it’s been like turning around an oil tanker for them.
Finding a way of at least attempting to turn this around in the short term is vital. I get a feeling that we will sleep walk to the summer, have to replace Butler, spend a month recruiting and be well behind the curve sorting out our summer business.
It’s not in anyone’s interest for the club to be flirting with L2 next season, not the fans, owners or the staff who’s jobs may be on the line.
Expecting just to be able to bring in 6 more loans, shuffle the players that are out of contract and likely to leave, rebuild the confidence of players that have had a torrid end to the season and build a new team to hit the ground running at the start of next season is a massive ask. The next 6 weeks are vital to next season, let’s hope Gavin realises that.
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It was a gamble to appoint Butler, presumably on the grounds of continuity and some semblance of having a Plan B at short notice. It hasn’t worked out but the board did move quickly and you have to maybe cut them some slack.
However, what cannot be forgiven is fannying around now. We have a massive job on our hands this summer but we have time to start this process now and probably a decent degree of certainty that we are not going to be troubling the play offs. The preparation needs to start now in early April so we have a solution lined up even if not announced, come the end of the season.
Given all the upheaval this summer will bring, we cannot be starting this process next month and concluding in June. That really would be unforgivable.
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Yep thats why double relegations happen and Sheff Utd were nailed on for relegation the way they finished last season. Momentum and confidence is everything in football.
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I think it would be short sighted of our supporters to think that the club are not aware of their current options.
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Again, looking on the brighter side, we are in control of the timetable here. Both Ferguson and McCann walked away in June, which was disastrous timing. We can get the right guy in now during early to mid May if we want. This is going to be essential for tying down any of the out of contract players we want to retain. Nobody is going to be signing a new deal until they know who they are playing for.
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I think it would be short sighted of our supporters to think that the club are not aware of their current options.
I am sure they are and I still have some faith. I can absolutely see why fans are asking some questions right now though. It's been a turbulent through seasons, the strategy of the number of loan and short term signings is questionable. Players have been sold, managers left and there isn't much really said about the current position. So it is very much understanding that a touch of apathy has set in.
I am not sure it's fair to stick the boot in like.some have, equally I can see why questions are being posed as it's not a good position right now. If you looked at drfc from.an external point you'd be questioning what the hell is going on.with much uncertainty. A very big 6 weeks ahead I feel.
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We don’t need to change much at all, but we do need to change.
Loan players are great, but let’s have a smaller number and have them regularly involved adding value, rather than padding out the squad. The ‘try before you buy’ model isn’t working. Only John has signed. We have missed out on the vast majority of those we have loaned.
We could probably push the boat out with at least a a few long term deals for consistently high performers, not least so we get value in a Whiteman sale situation. An example is I think we gave Anderson a two year extension. Why not three? Nothing massive but that added layer of security.
The loans cannot be keepers. This serves no purpose at all. They have been good but not great and any benefit is outweighed by the disruption. Our new defence needs to have a good solid keeper investment.
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We don’t need to change much at all, but we do need to change.
Loan players are great, but let’s have a smaller number and have them regularly involved adding value, rather than padding out the squad. The ‘try before you buy’ model isn’t working. Only John has signed. We have missed out on the vast majority of those we have loaned.
We could probably push the boat out with at least a a few long term deals for consistently high performers, not least so we get value in a Whiteman sale situation. An example is I think we gave Anderson a two year extension. Why not three? Nothing massive but that added layer of security.
The loans cannot be keepers. This serves no purpose at all. They have been good but not great and any benefit is outweighed by the disruption. Our new defence needs to have a good solid keeper investment.
what about signing the likes of Sharp, Whiteman, Anderson, Rowe, Alcock, Lokilo probably others aswell.
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My guess is that AB will be invited to apply for the job for next season when it is advertised. Who actually gets the job will be down to which other applicants put themselves forward. The Board have seen how things have developed, they are not stupid. My guess is we will have a new man at the helm for pre-season whether man is AB we need to wait and see
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We don’t need to change much at all, but we do need to change.
Loan players are great, but let’s have a smaller number and have them regularly involved adding value, rather than padding out the squad. The ‘try before you buy’ model isn’t working. Only John has signed. We have missed out on the vast majority of those we have loaned.
We could probably push the boat out with at least a a few long term deals for consistently high performers, not least so we get value in a Whiteman sale situation. An example is I think we gave Anderson a two year extension. Why not three? Nothing massive but that added layer of security.
The loans cannot be keepers. This serves no purpose at all. They have been good but not great and any benefit is outweighed by the disruption. Our new defence needs to have a good solid keeper investment.
what about signing the likes of Sharp, Whiteman, Anderson, Rowe, Alcock, Lokilo probably others aswell.
Sharp had played over 150 league games when we signed him. Alcock 200. Anderson was 25 and had been on loan eight times. Rowe was 28 and had played nearly 300 league games. Our current model is to 'try before you buy' with very young and unproven players from the Premier League. Very different.
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We don’t need to change much at all, but we do need to change.
Loan players are great, but let’s have a smaller number and have them regularly involved adding value, rather than padding out the squad. The ‘try before you buy’ model isn’t working. Only John has signed. We have missed out on the vast majority of those we have loaned.
We could probably push the boat out with at least a a few long term deals for consistently high performers, not least so we get value in a Whiteman sale situation. An example is I think we gave Anderson a two year extension. Why not three? Nothing massive but that added layer of security.
The loans cannot be keepers. This serves no purpose at all. They have been good but not great and any benefit is outweighed by the disruption. Our new defence needs to have a good solid keeper investment.
what about signing the likes of Sharp, Whiteman, Anderson, Rowe, Alcock, Lokilo probably others aswell.
Sharp had played over 150 league games when we signed him. Alcock 200. Anderson was 25 and had been on loan eight times. Rowe was 28 and had played nearly 300 league games. Our current model is to 'try before you buy' with very young and unproven players from the Premier League. Very different.
Exactly this.
About time we went back to the previous model.