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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Branton Rover on April 06, 2021, 09:50:38 am
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I put the two senior managers first as I think they’ll be less likely to go due to potential tap ups like the two previous managers - not a scientific selection of names just out of work - please feel free to throw other names in for discussion
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I'd only consider 2 on that list.
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Getting a manager from the old guard just shouldn’t be the way we go. I like Brian Barry-Murphy at Rochdale. He’d be a name on my short list.
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None of them will come here and work for peanuts
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I’m not even voting on that list , it’s pointless
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None of them, for me.
Also, I only think one of them would apply (Wellens).
Voted Stendel for the sake of the poll.
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None of the above.
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So what is the point in this poll as the club won’t change the manager as we SHOULD all know
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David Artell.
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Micky Mouse and Donald Duck at least we could have a good laugh instead of crying
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The only thing about Wellens is he doesn’t know the players and he wouldn’t stand for shit
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This sums up a bit of the problem who is there to be attracted to the job?
I do like the Rochdale manager, good football and done ok, feel he'd do better at a bigger club (which we are) but then they are also bottom currently.
Wellens has a promotion less than a year ago but already has 3 clubs under his belt, strange one. Is he actually any good?
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Non. Stendel might be a shout but im far from convinced.
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Artell won’t come I’ve got it on good authority that he despises Donny
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Not a great choice if I'm honest. I'd just like to know when they will start the process as it'll take aaaaaaaaaaaaaages. At least we will have the euros to both build up and then dampen our national expectations just as quickly
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I'd be interested to see who would apply and after the appointments of McCann and Moore I would trust the board to appoint the right man. What I would prefer is that this is started sooner rather than later.
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Pathetic.
From hagiography to obloquy in the space of 3 weeks. Pathetic.
BobG
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Stendal is the closest style to McCann and I was very rarely board watching his team so that’s why I’m a Stendal man
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If Aidy Boothroyd took over we'd get relegated from League One next season.
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sorry cant vote from those
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No Fatty Evans on the list ?
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This sums up a bit of the problem who is there to be attracted to the job?
I do like the Rochdale manager, good football and done ok, feel he'd do better at a bigger club (which we are) but then they are also bottom currently.
Wellens has a promotion less than a year ago but already has 3 clubs under his belt, strange one. Is he actually any good?
look at them jobs tho. Oldham was always gonna be a tough ask for any manager and so it proved, He got Swindon promoted then lost his 3 best players (Yates, Anderson and Doyle) and the reason he got sacked from Salford was apparently because they wanted him to play more direct and he refused.
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Kenny Jackett I could see but as I've said elsewhere Brian McDermott would be my pick.
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Haven’t we still got a manager
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All those have failed as managers some at clubs at the same level as ourselves with lots more money to spend.
Our current manager has not failed as yet especially with a team of his own players that he could take the blame for, he has to have a transfer window for that, if not two.
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Just checking the contracts for the first team. 20 contracts expire before the end of may or June this year.
And to quote the club when DM left and AB was appointed:
Our ambitions remain to achieve a top-six finish and we hope and expect that Andy will use this time to put himself in the prime position to secure the role on a permanent basis at the end of the season.
“Andy’s first priority will be to halt the team’s recent run of poor form and put our season back on track
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Just checking the contracts for the first team. 20 contracts expire before the end of may or June this year.
And to quote the club when DM left and AB was appointed:
Our ambitions remain to achieve a top-six finish and we hope and expect that Andy will use this time to put himself in the prime position to secure the role on a permanent basis at the end of the season.
“Andy’s first priority will be to halt the team’s recent run of poor form and put our season back on track
As I've mentioned elsewhere the club, players and their agents, have all held discussions and decisions will be made later based on the various requirements that suit each individual situation. There's no disagreements, just that some players will wait and see what happens over the next few weeks. That suits us too.
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Just checking the contracts for the first team. 20 contracts expire before the end of may or June this year.
And to quote the club when DM left and AB was appointed:
Our ambitions remain to achieve a top-six finish and we hope and expect that Andy will use this time to put himself in the prime position to secure the role on a permanent basis at the end of the season.
“Andy’s first priority will be to halt the team’s recent run of poor form and put our season back on track
As I've mentioned elsewhere the club, players and their agents, have all held discussions and decisions will be made later based on the various requirements that suit each individual situation. There's no disagreements, just that some players will wait and see what happens over the next few weeks. That suits us too.
I was just casting my mind forward to the future SM. Player contracts for any manager, be it AB or a new incumbent is something that will need sorting as a priority.
I was also looking at contracts in the context of the club statement, relating to Andys position. The statement eludes to an expectation of him being around next season.
Interesting your ref to agents. Football would be a much better place without them don’t you think? I rate them the same as I rate estate agents. And that’s not very high.
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Aidy Boothroyd. Jesus wept. He'd make Saunders' football look like Barcelona.
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Aidy Boothroyd. Jesus wept. He'd make Saunders' football look like Barcelona.
Crazy that he was in the England setup!
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All those have failed as managers some at clubs at the same level as ourselves with lots more money to spend.
Our current manager has not failed as yet especially with a team of his own players that he could take the blame for, he has to have a transfer window for that, if not two.
Brian, as I've said in another thread, if this shocking run continues, and AB is still appointed for next season, we'd be struggling to sell 1000 season tickets.
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Just checking the contracts for the first team. 20 contracts expire before the end of may or June this year.
And to quote the club when DM left and AB was appointed:
Our ambitions remain to achieve a top-six finish and we hope and expect that Andy will use this time to put himself in the prime position to secure the role on a permanent basis at the end of the season.
“Andy’s first priority will be to halt the team’s recent run of poor form and put our season back on track
As I've mentioned elsewhere the club, players and their agents, have all held discussions and decisions will be made later based on the various requirements that suit each individual situation. There's no disagreements, just that some players will wait and see what happens over the next few weeks. That suits us too.
I was just casting my mind forward to the future SM. Player contracts for any manager, be it AB or a new incumbent is something that will need sorting as a priority.
I was also looking at contracts in the context of the club statement, relating to Andys position. The statement eludes to an expectation of him being around next season.
Interesting your ref to agents. Football would be a much better place without them don’t you think? I rate them the same as I rate estate agents. And that’s not very high.
A couple of points nr.
I think there's been some misunderstanding about AB and any responsibility for renewing contracts, I don't think it's ever been stated by the club that he would be doing it. He may have mentioned it himself but my understanding is that GB, DB and Adam Henshall are dealing with that side of things. It's a possibility of course that the club may want input from any new manager if one comes in, and that would make sense as well.
As for agents!! Jeez, they've caused this club more problems in the last few years than I care to mention. They get in players (and managers) ears and really upset the apple cart. They should be done away with.
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Steve, unlikely I know on current form but if and it's a big big if we do go on a run of wins to the end of the season and do sneak in the playoffs the same people wanting him sacked would kiss his ass who are asking for his head now, and it seems I have to include you in that number.
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All those have failed as managers some at clubs at the same level as ourselves with lots more money to spend.
Our current manager has not failed as yet especially with a team of his own players that he could take the blame for, he has to have a transfer window for that, if not two.
Brian, as I've said in another thread, if this shocking run continues, and AB is still appointed for next season, we'd be struggling to sell 1000 season tickets.
ss, I don't think that anybody has intimated that AB will be a permanent appointment.
We have a process for appointing managers, which has worked well so far, so put your faith in that.
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All those have failed as managers some at clubs at the same level as ourselves with lots more money to spend.
Our current manager has not failed as yet especially with a team of his own players that he could take the blame for, he has to have a transfer window for that, if not two.
I've not failed at a club at that level either, do you reckon they'd give me the job?
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All those have failed as managers some at clubs at the same level as ourselves with lots more money to spend.
Our current manager has not failed as yet especially with a team of his own players that he could take the blame for, he has to have a transfer window for that, if not two.
Brian, as I've said in another thread, if this shocking run continues, and AB is still appointed for next season, we'd be struggling to sell 1000 season tickets.
ss, I don't think that anybody has intimated that AB will be a permanent appointment.
We have a process for appointing managers, which has worked well so far, so put your faith in that.
OK, but why throw the season away in appointing someone with zero experience?
Someone who as a senior pro was part of the rot that set in before moore left, and still expect him to turn it around and finish in the play offs.
Surely you can admit it was a monumental mistake, based on blind faith and hope?
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All those have failed as managers some at clubs at the same level as ourselves with lots more money to spend.
Our current manager has not failed as yet especially with a team of his own players that he could take the blame for, he has to have a transfer window for that, if not two.
Brian, as I've said in another thread, if this shocking run continues, and AB is still appointed for next season, we'd be struggling to sell 1000 season tickets.
ss, I don't think that anybody has intimated that AB will be a permanent appointment.
We have a process for appointing managers, which has worked well so far, so put your faith in that.
OK, but why throw the season away in appointing someone with zero experience?
Someone who as a senior pro was part of the rot that set in before moore left, and still expect him to turn it around and finish in the play offs.
Surely you can admit it was a monumental mistake, based on blind faith and hope?
You don't learn much do you? There's a whole bunch of posters on this forum who seem to be understanding of the current situation, and then there's you, boring and monotonous.
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All those have failed as managers some at clubs at the same level as ourselves with lots more money to spend.
Our current manager has not failed as yet especially with a team of his own players that he could take the blame for, he has to have a transfer window for that, if not two.
Brian, as I've said in another thread, if this shocking run continues, and AB is still appointed for next season, we'd be struggling to sell 1000 season tickets.
ss, I don't think that anybody has intimated that AB will be a permanent appointment.
We have a process for appointing managers, which has worked well so far, so put your faith in that.
OK, but why throw the season away in appointing someone with zero experience?
Someone who as a senior pro was part of the rot that set in before moore left, and still expect him to turn it around and finish in the play offs.
Surely you can admit it was a monumental mistake, based on blind faith and hope?
It’s not blind faith and hope though is it. AB has worked in and around the club for years, done his coaching badges, coached at youth team level and managed the ladies team. This is a big step up, granted, but he knows the club.
People throw around examples of Portsmouth, Charlton and Sunderland as if we’re the only club in the history of the game to appoint a caretaker manager from within. Ironically, one of the managers on the aforementioned list (Adkins) started out at Scunthorpe because he was given a chance despite having little or no experience. He did okay and went on to have a good career. Every manager starts somewhere.
So far it’s not working for Butler, but he’ll learn and we’ll live. For me the biggest mistake was Butler not bringing in (or being discouraged from bringing in?) an assistant.
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All those have failed as managers some at clubs at the same level as ourselves with lots more money to spend.
Our current manager has not failed as yet especially with a team of his own players that he could take the blame for, he has to have a transfer window for that, if not two.
Brian, as I've said in another thread, if this shocking run continues, and AB is still appointed for next season, we'd be struggling to sell 1000 season tickets.
ss, I don't think that anybody has intimated that AB will be a permanent appointment.
We have a process for appointing managers, which has worked well so far, so put your faith in that.
I was just responding to Brian, Martin, as he seems to be keen on the idea of appointing AB for next season.
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Steve, unlikely I know on current form but if and it's a big big if we do go on a run of wins to the end of the season and do sneak in the playoffs the same people wanting him sacked would kiss his ass who are asking for his head now, and it seems I have to include you in that number.
Brian, if AB gets us into the play-offs, I'll kiss your ass, as well as his.
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Steve, unlikely I know on current form but if and it's a big big if we do go on a run of wins to the end of the season and do sneak in the playoffs the same people wanting him sacked would kiss his ass who are asking for his head now, and it seems I have to include you in that number.
Brian, if AB gets us into the play-offs, I'll kiss your ass, as well as his.
Legally binding.
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All those have failed as managers some at clubs at the same level as ourselves with lots more money to spend.
Our current manager has not failed as yet especially with a team of his own players that he could take the blame for, he has to have a transfer window for that, if not two.
Brian, as I've said in another thread, if this shocking run continues, and AB is still appointed for next season, we'd be struggling to sell 1000 season tickets.
ss, I don't think that anybody has intimated that AB will be a permanent appointment.
We have a process for appointing managers, which has worked well so far, so put your faith in that.
OK, but why throw the season away in appointing someone with zero experience?
Someone who as a senior pro was part of the rot that set in before moore left, and still expect him to turn it around and finish in the play offs.
Surely you can admit it was a monumental mistake, based on blind faith and hope?
We have always had a process of appointing a manager and it doesn't involve going out and appointing X Y or Z on a whim unless of course you count Dickov in No decent manager would be prepared to step in and take on this job for what remains of the season whilst we go through the aforementioned process which may or not result in said stand in manager being appointed. AB is in till the end of the season no matter what.whether he gets the job full time depends on the process, we will see come June July
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Just checking the contracts for the first team. 20 contracts expire before the end of may or June this year.
And to quote the club when DM left and AB was appointed:
Our ambitions remain to achieve a top-six finish and we hope and expect that Andy will use this time to put himself in the prime position to secure the role on a permanent basis at the end of the season.
“Andy’s first priority will be to halt the team’s recent run of poor form and put our season back on track
As I've mentioned elsewhere the club, players and their agents, have all held discussions and decisions will be made later based on the various requirements that suit each individual situation. There's no disagreements, just that some players will wait and see what happens over the next few weeks. That suits us too.
I was just casting my mind forward to the future SM. Player contracts for any manager, be it AB or a new incumbent is something that will need sorting as a priority.
I was also looking at contracts in the context of the club statement, relating to Andys position. The statement eludes to an expectation of him being around next season.
Interesting your ref to agents. Football would be a much better place without them don’t you think? I rate them the same as I rate estate agents. And that’s not very high.
A couple of points nr.
I think there's been some misunderstanding about AB and any responsibility for renewing contracts, I don't think it's ever been stated by the club that he would be doing it. He may have mentioned it himself but my understanding is that GB, DB and Adam Henshall are dealing with that side of things. It's a possibility of course that the club may want input from any new manager if one comes in, and that would make sense as well.
As for agents!! Jeez, they've caused this club more problems in the last few years than I care to mention. They get in players (and managers) ears and really upset the apple cart. They should be done away with.
SM, I never stated AB had responsibility for renewing contracts. I commented that AB or any manager incumbent would be needing to "sort" contracts as a priority, (be that renew or not). The club expressed that they expect AB to put himself in the prime position to secure the role on a permanent basis at the end of the season. That's pretty unambiguous to me and I expect to see AB as manager for next season. I find it hard to believe, whoever the manager is, that he will not be integral to contract talks.
Adam has left the club has'nt he for Villa?
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All those have failed as managers some at clubs at the same level as ourselves with lots more money to spend.
Our current manager has not failed as yet especially with a team of his own players that he could take the blame for, he has to have a transfer window for that, if not two.
Brian, as I've said in another thread, if this shocking run continues, and AB is still appointed for next season, we'd be struggling to sell 1000 season tickets.
ss, I don't think that anybody has intimated that AB will be a permanent appointment.
We have a process for appointing managers, which has worked well so far, so put your faith in that.
OK, but why throw the season away in appointing someone with zero experience?
Someone who as a senior pro was part of the rot that set in before moore left, and still expect him to turn it around and finish in the play offs.
Surely you can admit it was a monumental mistake, based on blind faith and hope?
You don't learn much do you? There's a whole bunch of posters on this forum who seem to be understanding of the current situation, and then there's you, boring and monotonous.
Please convince me, I'm struggling to regain faith here that the club have any plan.
I'm not wanting an argument, but it's not just this season.
I'm emotionally invested in this club, through 3 generations, and I just need something to convince me because I just don't see it.
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Covid OR results aside ..doesn't anybody not feel let down by the appointment of a Manager without any experience at L1 level and such a crucial time of the season.
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Given the current poor run, the board would be wise to start the interview process now and have a new manager in place before end of season so he can decide which players to keep or release before next season starts. Our season is over, best now prepare for next season. First starting with a new manager in place to have the Summer to sign the players he wants. If we wait until the end of season to look for a new manager, it will give him a shorter period to sign new players.
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And given the unlikely situation of it arising I will hold you to it. Lets hope for better things ahead.
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Just checking the contracts for the first team. 20 contracts expire before the end of may or June this year.
And to quote the club when DM left and AB was appointed:
Our ambitions remain to achieve a top-six finish and we hope and expect that Andy will use this time to put himself in the prime position to secure the role on a permanent basis at the end of the season.
“Andy’s first priority will be to halt the team’s recent run of poor form and put our season back on track
As I've mentioned elsewhere the club, players and their agents, have all held discussions and decisions will be made later based on the various requirements that suit each individual situation. There's no disagreements, just that some players will wait and see what happens over the next few weeks. That suits us too.
I was just casting my mind forward to the future SM. Player contracts for any manager, be it AB or a new incumbent is something that will need sorting as a priority.
I was also looking at contracts in the context of the club statement, relating to Andys position. The statement eludes to an expectation of him being around next season.
Interesting your ref to agents. Football would be a much better place without them don’t you think? I rate them the same as I rate estate agents. And that’s not very high.
A couple of points nr.
I think there's been some misunderstanding about AB and any responsibility for renewing contracts, I don't think it's ever been stated by the club that he would be doing it. He may have mentioned it himself but my understanding is that GB, DB and Adam Henshall are dealing with that side of things. It's a possibility of course that the club may want input from any new manager if one comes in, and that would make sense as well.
As for agents!! Jeez, they've caused this club more problems in the last few years than I care to mention. They get in players (and managers) ears and really upset the apple cart. They should be done away with.
Henshall SM?
Hasn’t he moved on now?
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Who ever does come in. Next season will be a complete rebuild. It’s looking increasingly likely that we will lose the likes of Wright, James and Taylor this summer. I still don’t understand why we are letting out better players contacts run down to the last month...
I heard a rumour this morning that Sheff Wed want Reece James for next season.
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We've got a year's extention on Taylor don't we?
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Henshaw will still help out in the short term
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Just checking the contracts for the first team. 20 contracts expire before the end of may or June this year.
And to quote the club when DM left and AB was appointed:
Our ambitions remain to achieve a top-six finish and we hope and expect that Andy will use this time to put himself in the prime position to secure the role on a permanent basis at the end of the season.
“Andy’s first priority will be to halt the team’s recent run of poor form and put our season back on track
As I've mentioned elsewhere the club, players and their agents, have all held discussions and decisions will be made later based on the various requirements that suit each individual situation. There's no disagreements, just that some players will wait and see what happens over the next few weeks. That suits us too.
I was just casting my mind forward to the future SM. Player contracts for any manager, be it AB or a new incumbent is something that will need sorting as a priority.
I was also looking at contracts in the context of the club statement, relating to Andys position. The statement eludes to an expectation of him being around next season.
Interesting your ref to agents. Football would be a much better place without them don’t you think? I rate them the same as I rate estate agents. And that’s not very high.
A couple of points nr.
I think there's been some misunderstanding about AB and any responsibility for renewing contracts, I don't think it's ever been stated by the club that he would be doing it. He may have mentioned it himself but my understanding is that GB, DB and Adam Henshall are dealing with that side of things. It's a possibility of course that the club may want input from any new manager if one comes in, and that would make sense as well.
As for agents!! Jeez, they've caused this club more problems in the last few years than I care to mention. They get in players (and managers) ears and really upset the apple cart. They should be done away with.
SM, I never stated AB had responsibility for renewing contracts. I commented that AB or any manager incumbent would be needing to "sort" contracts as a priority, (be that renew or not). The club expressed that they expect AB to put himself in the prime position to secure the role on a permanent basis at the end of the season. That's pretty unambiguous to me and I expect to see AB as manager for next season. I find it hard to believe, whoever the manager is, that he will not be integral to contract talks.
Adam has left the club has'nt he for Villa?
nr, I never said you did, it was a general observation that a few posters are under that impression.
I think if you look at what DB said about the appointment of AB until the end of the season he said that he hoped that AB would put himself into a strong position for consideration, meaning, how I see it, that he was hoping that AB would keep us firmly in the play-off spots meaning he would have a strong case for taking part in the interview process. It all depends on performance surely?
The club appear to be pretty relaxed about the contract situation, as I've mentioned before the players and club have agreements in place to conclude negotiations at a certain point in time, one that suits all parties. And, as you allude to it, they would obviously expect some input from a team manager, of which we don't have a permanent one as yet.
As for Adam, it was announced at the time, (by me I think) that he would be helping the club during the transition period. His work, because its always about forward planning, was already in place, so it makes sense for him to have input to that.
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We've got a year's extention on Taylor don't we?
Yes we do.
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All those have failed as managers some at clubs at the same level as ourselves with lots more money to spend.
Our current manager has not failed as yet especially with a team of his own players that he could take the blame for, he has to have a transfer window for that, if not two.
Brian, as I've said in another thread, if this shocking run continues, and AB is still appointed for next season, we'd be struggling to sell 1000 season tickets.
ss, I don't think that anybody has intimated that AB will be a permanent appointment.
We have a process for appointing managers, which has worked well so far, so put your faith in that.
It could be argued that the process hasn't been that successful as the last 3 managers all jumped ship at the first opportunity. Maybe the process doesn't look far enough into the personality of the applicants? Whilst the last 2 managers had a modicum of success neither was very trustworthy.
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Just checking the contracts for the first team. 20 contracts expire before the end of may or June this year.
And to quote the club when DM left and AB was appointed:
Our ambitions remain to achieve a top-six finish and we hope and expect that Andy will use this time to put himself in the prime position to secure the role on a permanent basis at the end of the season.
“Andy’s first priority will be to halt the team’s recent run of poor form and put our season back on track
As I've mentioned elsewhere the club, players and their agents, have all held discussions and decisions will be made later based on the various requirements that suit each individual situation. There's no disagreements, just that some players will wait and see what happens over the next few weeks. That suits us too.
I was just casting my mind forward to the future SM. Player contracts for any manager, be it AB or a new incumbent is something that will need sorting as a priority.
I was also looking at contracts in the context of the club statement, relating to Andys position. The statement eludes to an expectation of him being around next season.
Interesting your ref to agents. Football would be a much better place without them don’t you think? I rate them the same as I rate estate agents. And that’s not very high.
A couple of points nr.
I think there's been some misunderstanding about AB and any responsibility for renewing contracts, I don't think it's ever been stated by the club that he would be doing it. He may have mentioned it himself but my understanding is that GB, DB and Adam Henshall are dealing with that side of things. It's a possibility of course that the club may want input from any new manager if one comes in, and that would make sense as well.
As for agents!! Jeez, they've caused this club more problems in the last few years than I care to mention. They get in players (and managers) ears and really upset the apple cart. They should be done away with.
SM, I never stated AB had responsibility for renewing contracts. I commented that AB or any manager incumbent would be needing to "sort" contracts as a priority, (be that renew or not). The club expressed that they expect AB to put himself in the prime position to secure the role on a permanent basis at the end of the season. That's pretty unambiguous to me and I expect to see AB as manager for next season. I find it hard to believe, whoever the manager is, that he will not be integral to contract talks.
Adam has left the club has'nt he for Villa?
nr, I never said you did, it was a general observation that a few posters are under that impression.
I think if you look at what DB said about the appointment of AB until the end of the season he said that he hoped that AB would put himself into a strong position for consideration, meaning, how I see it, that he was hoping that AB would keep us firmly in the play-off spots meaning he would have a strong case for taking part in the interview process. It all depends on performance surely?
The club appear to be pretty relaxed about the contract situation, as I've mentioned before the players and club have agreements in place to conclude negotiations at a certain point in time, one that suits all parties. And, as you allude to it, they would obviously expect some input from a team manager, of which we don't have a permanent one as yet.
As for Adam, it was announced at the time, (by me I think) that he would be helping the club during the transition period. His work, because its always about forward planning, was already in place, so it makes sense for him to have input to that.
Can you show me where to find what DB said about the appointment of AB?
I must have missed that.
Thanks
Edit.
It's OK, I've found it
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elude: escape from or avoid (a danger, enemy, or pursuer), typically in a skilful or cunning way
allude: suggest or call attention to indirectly; hint at.
BobG
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Jonathan sums up my thoughts perfectly;
For me the biggest mistake was Butler not bringing in (or being discouraged from bringing in?) an assistant.
This could have made all the difference. To try and do it all by himself was bordering on madness.
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I doubt it would have made any real difference. It's same as when a politician is told to get new advisers because their decisions are shit. You appoint a manager to do the job, not his assistant. Granted it would make his life a bit easier to have an assistant, but the decisions are still being made by the main man. It's not really that relevant.
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Question for SM, would we ever approach a manger currently in work at another club ?
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Agreed Maps. Having a number 2 would have allowed Butler to start some games if needed based on form. Now he doesn't have that option.
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I doubt it would have made any real difference. It's same as when a politician is told to get new advisers because their decisions are shit. You appoint a manager to do the job, not his assistant. Granted it would make his life a bit easier to have an assistant, but the decisions are still being made by the main man. It's not really that relevant.
Of course the final decision is always the Managers, but the right Assistant offers much needed support, a fresh pair of eyes perhaps, a different take and alternative ideas, they can complement the Manager's skills, act as a sounding board, offer advice, approach personnel issues from a different angle perhaps? Useful for any Manager, especially one who is new to the job and the pressures it brings.
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Question for SM, would we ever approach a manger currently in work at another club ?
No, it’s not our style, doesn’t fit with our process.
I realise that answer won’t suit everybody on this forum, but we have our standards and it makes us the club we are, respected in the game.
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I doubt it would have made any real difference. It's same as when a politician is told to get new advisers because their decisions are shit. You appoint a manager to do the job, not his assistant. Granted it would make his life a bit easier to have an assistant, but the decisions are still being made by the main man. It's not really that relevant.
Of course the final decision is always the Managers, but the right Assistant offers much needed support, a fresh pair of eyes perhaps, a different take and alternative ideas, they can complement the Manager's skills, act as a sounding board, offer advice, approach personnel issues from a different angle perhaps? Useful for any Manager, especially one who is new to the job and the pressures it brings.
I thought that was what Copps, and indeed other senior players, were doing?
BobG
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Question for SM, would we ever approach a manger currently in work at another club ?
No, it’s not our style, doesn’t fit with our process.
I realise that answer won’t suit everybody on this forum, but we have our standards and it makes us the club we are, respected in the game.
You could argue that being a “nice respected club” Is part of the reason we’re still a mid table league 1 team... we must be one of the only clubs in the country that adopt this policy. It’s time we became more ruthless on and off the pitch
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Question for SM, would we ever approach a manger currently in work at another club ?
No, it’s not our style, doesn’t fit with our process.
I realise that answer won’t suit everybody on this forum, but we have our standards and it makes us the club we are, respected in the game.
You could argue that being a “nice respected club” Is part of the reason we’re still a mid table league 1 team... we must be one of the only clubs in the country that adopt this policy. It’s time we became more ruthless on and off the pitch
You could also argue the opposite, that because we're well respected we get manager applications of the highest calibre, get loan players from good clubs, can negotiate good transfer deals and loan requirements. Players want to come here, any vacancy attracts hundreds of applications, we win awards for our approach to the community and fan engagement. We stand out from the crowd in our own way.
Were not really a mid table club though are we? Do you really think that poaching a manager from another club is the answer?
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It could be though, that a manager currently in a job could apply to our process, and we could in that scenario if he was the best candidate, still employ him? ie we don’t only accept applications from out of work managers.
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Question for SM, would we ever approach a manger currently in work at another club ?
No, it’s not our style, doesn’t fit with our process.
I realise that answer won’t suit everybody on this forum, but we have our standards and it makes us the club we are, respected in the game.
You could argue that being a “nice respected club” Is part of the reason we’re still a mid table league 1 team... we must be one of the only clubs in the country that adopt this policy. It’s time we became more ruthless on and off the pitch
You could also argue the opposite, that because we're well respected we get manager applications of the highest calibre, get loan players from good clubs, can negotiate good transfer deals and loan requirements. Players want to come here, any vacancy attracts hundreds of applications, we win awards for our approach to the community and fan engagement. We stand out from the crowd in our own way.
Were not really a mid table club though are we? Do you really think that poaching a manager from another club is the answer?
But is it managing to get the club progressed and promoted?
Whilst the community aspect and awards are something I'm proud of as a lifelong fan, the black and white of it all in football is that fans judge success by what happens on the football pitch and results.
Promotion brings more fans, more money, more prosperity to the town etc.
I do think they need to look at themselves as managers clearly see us as a stepping stone, which is fine in one way and understood but also massively damaging on the playing front if they bugger off at a moments notice.
I'd have more respect for the board if they could admit that they need a change of strategy be it approaching a club for a manager. If done in the right way there is no reason why it would harm our clubs reputation and if anything would show that they are still looking to choose the most talented people in the pool they have to go from. Plus is this Burnley strategy working?
They need to be honest with AB and say its clearly not working and start the application/poaching process now
Be proactive, on the front foot and not having to react all the time.
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Question for SM, would we ever approach a manger currently in work at another club ?
No, it’s not our style, doesn’t fit with our process.
I realise that answer won’t suit everybody on this forum, but we have our standards and it makes us the club we are, respected in the game.
You could argue that being a “nice respected club” Is part of the reason we’re still a mid table league 1 team... we must be one of the only clubs in the country that adopt this policy. It’s time we became more ruthless on and off the pitch
You could also argue the opposite, that because we're well respected we get manager applications of the highest calibre, get loan players from good clubs, can negotiate good transfer deals and loan requirements. Players want to come here, any vacancy attracts hundreds of applications, we win awards for our approach to the community and fan engagement. We stand out from the crowd in our own way.
Were not really a mid table club though are we? Do you really think that poaching a manager from another club is the answer?
But is it managing to get the club progressed and promoted?
Whilst the community aspect and awards are something I'm proud of as a lifelong fan, the black and white of it all in football is that fans judge success by what happens on the football pitch and results.
Promotion brings more fans, more money, more prosperity to the town etc.
I do think they need to look at themselves as managers clearly see us as a stepping stone, which is fine in one way and understood but also massively damaging on the playing front if they bugger off at a moments notice.
I'd have more respect for the board if they could admit that they need a change of strategy be it approaching a club for a manager. If done in the right way there is no reason why it would harm our clubs reputation and if anything would show that they are still looking to choose the most talented people in the pool they have to go from. Plus is this Burnley strategy working?
They need to be honest with AB and say its clearly not working and start the application/poaching process now
Be proactive, on the front foot and not having to react all the time.
They were proactive in immediately appointing Butler.
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It could be though, that a manager currently in a job could apply to our process, and we could in that scenario if he was the best candidate, still employ him? ie we don’t only accept applications from out of work managers.
I'm sure that anyone currently in a job and attracted to the Rovers position would have the wherewithal to find a way of applying for the position.
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Question for SM, would we ever approach a manger currently in work at another club ?
No, it’s not our style, doesn’t fit with our process.
I realise that answer won’t suit everybody on this forum, but we have our standards and it makes us the club we are, respected in the game.
You could argue that being a “nice respected club” Is part of the reason we’re still a mid table league 1 team... we must be one of the only clubs in the country that adopt this policy. It’s time we became more ruthless on and off the pitch
You could also argue the opposite, that because we're well respected we get manager applications of the highest calibre, get loan players from good clubs, can negotiate good transfer deals and loan requirements. Players want to come here, any vacancy attracts hundreds of applications, we win awards for our approach to the community and fan engagement. We stand out from the crowd in our own way.
Were not really a mid table club though are we? Do you really think that poaching a manager from another club is the answer?
But is it managing to get the club progressed and promoted?
Whilst the community aspect and awards are something I'm proud of as a lifelong fan, the black and white of it all in football is that fans judge success by what happens on the football pitch and results.
Promotion brings more fans, more money, more prosperity to the town etc.
I do think they need to look at themselves as managers clearly see us as a stepping stone, which is fine in one way and understood but also massively damaging on the playing front if they bugger off at a moments notice.
I'd have more respect for the board if they could admit that they need a change of strategy be it approaching a club for a manager. If done in the right way there is no reason why it would harm our clubs reputation and if anything would show that they are still looking to choose the most talented people in the pool they have to go from. Plus is this Burnley strategy working?
They need to be honest with AB and say its clearly not working and start the application/poaching process now
Be proactive, on the front foot and not having to react all the time.
Agree 100% especially with regard to paragraph 4. There is a parallel with managers using us as a stepping stone and having players on loan for them to progress their careers for someone else's benefit.
The best manager we have had in many years did not go through the the long process of having to apply for the job and then various interviews. John Ryan knew who he wanted and went and got him. SOD!!
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Question for SM, would we ever approach a manger currently in work at another club ?
No, it’s not our style, doesn’t fit with our process.
I realise that answer won’t suit everybody on this forum, but we have our standards and it makes us the club we are, respected in the game.
You could argue that being a “nice respected club” Is part of the reason we’re still a mid table league 1 team... we must be one of the only clubs in the country that adopt this policy. It’s time we became more ruthless on and off the pitch
You could also argue the opposite, that because we're well respected we get manager applications of the highest calibre, get loan players from good clubs, can negotiate good transfer deals and loan requirements. Players want to come here, any vacancy attracts hundreds of applications, we win awards for our approach to the community and fan engagement. We stand out from the crowd in our own way.
Were not really a mid table club though are we? Do you really think that poaching a manager from another club is the answer?
But is it managing to get the club progressed and promoted?
Whilst the community aspect and awards are something I'm proud of as a lifelong fan, the black and white of it all in football is that fans judge success by what happens on the football pitch and results.
Promotion brings more fans, more money, more prosperity to the town etc.
I do think they need to look at themselves as managers clearly see us as a stepping stone, which is fine in one way and understood but also massively damaging on the playing front if they bugger off at a moments notice.
I'd have more respect for the board if they could admit that they need a change of strategy be it approaching a club for a manager. If done in the right way there is no reason why it would harm our clubs reputation and if anything would show that they are still looking to choose the most talented people in the pool they have to go from. Plus is this Burnley strategy working?
They need to be honest with AB and say its clearly not working and start the application/poaching process now
Be proactive, on the front foot and not having to react all the time.
Agree 100% especially with regard to paragraph 4. There is a parallel with managers using us as a stepping stone and having players on loan for them to progress their careers for someone else's benefit.
The best manager we have had in many years did not go through the the long process of having to apply for the job and then various interviews. John Ryan knew who he wanted and went and got him. SOD!!
Equally, the last two managers to be appointed without going through an application process were Butler and Dickov, the latter appointed on the basis of proximity rather than ability.
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I doubt it would have made any real difference. It's same as when a politician is told to get new advisers because their decisions are shit. You appoint a manager to do the job, not his assistant. Granted it would make his life a bit easier to have an assistant, but the decisions are still being made by the main man. It's not really that relevant.
Of course the final decision is always the Managers, but the right Assistant offers much needed support, a fresh pair of eyes perhaps, a different take and alternative ideas, they can complement the Manager's skills, act as a sounding board, offer advice, approach personnel issues from a different angle perhaps? Useful for any Manager, especially one who is new to the job and the pressures it brings.
I thought that was what Copps, and indeed other senior players, were doing?
BobG
Not the same. For me, the assistant needs to be outwith the first team playing personnel. Especially as Butler came straight out of the squad. Needs that detachment, in my opinion.
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Question for SM, would we ever approach a manger currently in work at another club ?
No, it’s not our style, doesn’t fit with our process.
I realise that answer won’t suit everybody on this forum, but we have our standards and it makes us the club we are, respected in the game.
You could argue that being a “nice respected club” Is part of the reason we’re still a mid table league 1 team... we must be one of the only clubs in the country that adopt this policy. It’s time we became more ruthless on and off the pitch
You could also argue the opposite, that because we're well respected we get manager applications of the highest calibre, get loan players from good clubs, can negotiate good transfer deals and loan requirements. Players want to come here, any vacancy attracts hundreds of applications, we win awards for our approach to the community and fan engagement. We stand out from the crowd in our own way.
Were not really a mid table club though are we? Do you really think that poaching a manager from another club is the answer?
But is it managing to get the club progressed and promoted?
Whilst the community aspect and awards are something I'm proud of as a lifelong fan, the black and white of it all in football is that fans judge success by what happens on the football pitch and results.
Promotion brings more fans, more money, more prosperity to the town etc.
I do think they need to look at themselves as managers clearly see us as a stepping stone, which is fine in one way and understood but also massively damaging on the playing front if they bugger off at a moments notice.
I'd have more respect for the board if they could admit that they need a change of strategy be it approaching a club for a manager. If done in the right way there is no reason why it would harm our clubs reputation and if anything would show that they are still looking to choose the most talented people in the pool they have to go from. Plus is this Burnley strategy working?
They need to be honest with AB and say its clearly not working and start the application/poaching process now
Be proactive, on the front foot and not having to react all the time.
Agree 100% especially with regard to paragraph 4. There is a parallel with managers using us as a stepping stone and having players on loan for them to progress their careers for someone else's benefit.
The best manager we have had in many years did not go through the the long process of having to apply for the job and then various interviews. John Ryan knew who he wanted and went and got him. SOD!!
Equally, the last two managers to be appointed without going through an application process were Butler and Dickov, the latter appointed on the basis of proximity rather than ability.
I would say Butler is more of a stand in manager as he only been given the job until the end of the season.
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Question for SM, would we ever approach a manger currently in work at another club ?
No, it’s not our style, doesn’t fit with our process.
I realise that answer won’t suit everybody on this forum, but we have our standards and it makes us the club we are, respected in the game.
You could argue that being a “nice respected club” Is part of the reason we’re still a mid table league 1 team... we must be one of the only clubs in the country that adopt this policy. It’s time we became more ruthless on and off the pitch
You could also argue the opposite, that because we're well respected we get manager applications of the highest calibre, get loan players from good clubs, can negotiate good transfer deals and loan requirements. Players want to come here, any vacancy attracts hundreds of applications, we win awards for our approach to the community and fan engagement. We stand out from the crowd in our own way.
Were not really a mid table club though are we? Do you really think that poaching a manager from another club is the answer?
I agree with all of that , it's just a shame that we can't get 11 player's that want to play as a team at present.
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We accused Grant McCann and Darren Moore of treachery and then try to use the same means to attract a manager ourselves? That is hypocrisy unless it is done in the right way.
I would imagine we would them expect undying loyalty from the man we have poached.
Managers moving upwards like players do is a way of life. I have no issue about McCann or Moore improving their lot but it’s the way they left the club that hurts and maybe reflects on their characters somewhat.
I think that our three options for a new manager are, one that might have managed at a higher level but is out of work, a manager from a lower placed team that sees us as a step up or a rookie manager starting out after a long playing career with the relevant coaching qualifications.
What we can offer any new manager as a club is stability, no interference from the board and great ground and training ground facilities.
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We accused Grant McCann and Darren Moore of treachery and then try to use the same means to attract a manager ourselves? That is hypocrisy unless it is done in the right way.
I would imagine we would them expect undying loyalty from the man we have poached.
Managers moving upwards like players do is a way of life. I have no issue about McCann or Moore improving their lot but it’s the way they left the club that hurts and maybe reflects on their characters somewhat.
I think that our three options for a new manager are, one that might have managed at a higher level but is out of work, a manager from a lower placed team that sees us as a step up or a rookie manager starting out after a long playing career with the relevant coaching qualifications.
What we can offer any new manager as a club is stability, no interference from the board and great ground and training ground facilities.
The manner in which DM left the club reflects not only on him, but his agent also. Don’t forget, agents are a very integral, and often driving force behind these moves.
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Question for SM, would we ever approach a manger currently in work at another club ?
No, it’s not our style, doesn’t fit with our process.
I realise that answer won’t suit everybody on this forum, but we have our standards and it makes us the club we are, respected in the game.
You could argue that being a “nice respected club” Is part of the reason we’re still a mid table league 1 team... we must be one of the only clubs in the country that adopt this policy. It’s time we became more ruthless on and off the pitch
You could also argue the opposite, that because we're well respected we get manager applications of the highest calibre, get loan players from good clubs, can negotiate good transfer deals and loan requirements. Players want to come here, any vacancy attracts hundreds of applications, we win awards for our approach to the community and fan engagement. We stand out from the crowd in our own way.
Were not really a mid table club though are we? Do you really think that poaching a manager from another club is the answer?
But is it managing to get the club progressed and promoted?
Whilst the community aspect and awards are something I'm proud of as a lifelong fan, the black and white of it all in football is that fans judge success by what happens on the football pitch and results.
Promotion brings more fans, more money, more prosperity to the town etc.
I do think they need to look at themselves as managers clearly see us as a stepping stone, which is fine in one way and understood but also massively damaging on the playing front if they bugger off at a moments notice.
I'd have more respect for the board if they could admit that they need a change of strategy be it approaching a club for a manager. If done in the right way there is no reason why it would harm our clubs reputation and if anything would show that they are still looking to choose the most talented people in the pool they have to go from. Plus is this Burnley strategy working?
They need to be honest with AB and say its clearly not working and start the application/poaching process now
Be proactive, on the front foot and not having to react all the time.
Agree 100% especially with regard to paragraph 4. There is a parallel with managers using us as a stepping stone and having players on loan for them to progress their careers for someone else's benefit.
The best manager we have had in many years did not go through the the long process of having to apply for the job and then various interviews. John Ryan knew who he wanted and went and got him. SOD!!
Equally, the last two managers to be appointed without going through an application process were Butler and Dickov, the latter appointed on the basis of proximity rather than ability.
Dickov was part of a shortlist and a lengthy interview process.
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Dickov was mates with John Ryan.
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We accused Grant McCann and Darren Moore of treachery and then try to use the same means to attract a manager ourselves? That is hypocrisy unless it is done in the right way.
I would imagine we would them expect undying loyalty from the man we have poached.
Managers moving upwards like players do is a way of life. I have no issue about McCann or Moore improving their lot but it’s the way they left the club that hurts and maybe reflects on their characters somewhat.
I think that our three options for a new manager are, one that might have managed at a higher level but is out of work, a manager from a lower placed team that sees us as a step up or a rookie manager starting out after a long playing career with the relevant coaching qualifications.
What we can offer any new manager as a club is stability, no interference from the board and great ground and training ground facilities.
I agree with your point on McCann & Moore - we weren't given the same degree of respect by this two - but we shouldn't lower ourselves. Fair enough that they left to 'better' themselves - but it's the manner that irks most folk.
I think our new manager options will be many and varied - there are always managers on the conveyor belt and I am sure we will find a new man (or woman... that would shock a few on here.. :ohmy: :lol:!!) who meets the criteria set out by the board.... let's be honest, they have a pretty good track record. We shouldn't forget that the reason we have been left manager-less twice in recent times was because the manager's were doing well.
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Dickov was mates with John Ryan.
Allegedly. More like neighbours.
He was still part of a shortlist and lengthy interview process.
There was a lengthy list of attributes published on dros that the candidate should have possessed.
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The man must have had a silver tongue to get the job
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I doubt it would have made any real difference. It's same as when a politician is told to get new advisers because their decisions are shit. You appoint a manager to do the job, not his assistant. Granted it would make his life a bit easier to have an assistant, but the decisions are still being made by the main man. It's not really that relevant.
Of course the final decision is always the Managers, but the right Assistant offers much needed support, a fresh pair of eyes perhaps, a different take and alternative ideas, they can complement the Manager's skills, act as a sounding board, offer advice, approach personnel issues from a different angle perhaps? Useful for any Manager, especially one who is new to the job and the pressures it brings.
I thought that was what Copps, and indeed other senior players, were doing?
BobG
Not the same. For me, the assistant needs to be outwith the first team playing personnel. Especially as Butler came straight out of the squad. Needs that detachment, in my opinion.
Thanks Maps. There is an argument for 'independance' though in the context of a team squad I'm not sure how independant an assistant manager can be from either his boss or his squad - with both of whom he lives cheek by jowel on a daily basis. But if you don't agree that Copps and the senior players can offer, and I quote "much needed support, a fresh pair of eyes perhaps, a different take and alternative ideas, they can complement the Manager's skills, act as a sounding board, offer advice, approach personnel issues from a different angle perhaps more specifically", then what is their role in th current set up supposed to be please?
Cheers
BobG
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Bob, if it’s that unnecessary why does any club have an assistant manager? Why doesn’t every club just use their senior players for that?
I’d rather our players concentrated on playing and our coaches concentrated on coaching.
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Dickov was mates with John Ryan.
Wasnt he is next door neighbour also, or have I imagined that?
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Question for SM, would we ever approach a manger currently in work at another club ?
No, it’s not our style, doesn’t fit with our process.
I realise that answer won’t suit everybody on this forum, but we have our standards and it makes us the club we are, respected in the game.
You could argue that being a “nice respected club” Is part of the reason we’re still a mid table league 1 team... we must be one of the only clubs in the country that adopt this policy. It’s time we became more ruthless on and off the pitch
You could also argue the opposite, that because we're well respected we get manager applications of the highest calibre, get loan players from good clubs, can negotiate good transfer deals and loan requirements. Players want to come here, any vacancy attracts hundreds of applications, we win awards for our approach to the community and fan engagement. We stand out from the crowd in our own way.
Were not really a mid table club though are we? Do you really think that poaching a manager from another club is the answer?
But is it managing to get the club progressed and promoted?
Whilst the community aspect and awards are something I'm proud of as a lifelong fan, the black and white of it all in football is that fans judge success by what happens on the football pitch and results.
Promotion brings more fans, more money, more prosperity to the town etc.
I do think they need to look at themselves as managers clearly see us as a stepping stone, which is fine in one way and understood but also massively damaging on the playing front if they bugger off at a moments notice.
I'd have more respect for the board if they could admit that they need a change of strategy be it approaching a club for a manager. If done in the right way there is no reason why it would harm our clubs reputation and if anything would show that they are still looking to choose the most talented people in the pool they have to go from. Plus is this Burnley strategy working?
They need to be honest with AB and say its clearly not working and start the application/poaching process now
Be proactive, on the front foot and not having to react all the time.
Agree 100% especially with regard to paragraph 4. There is a parallel with managers using us as a stepping stone and having players on loan for them to progress their careers for someone else's benefit.
The best manager we have had in many years did not go through the the long process of having to apply for the job and then various interviews. John Ryan knew who he wanted and went and got him. SOD!!
Equally, the last two managers to be appointed without going through an application process were Butler and Dickov, the latter appointed on the basis of proximity rather than ability.
Dickov was part of a shortlist and a lengthy interview process.
Absolute b*llocks.
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Bob, if it’s that unnecessary why does any club have an assistant manager? Why doesn’t every club just use their senior players for that?
I’d rather our players concentrated on playing and our coaches concentrated on coaching.
Nick. I'm in favour of an Assistant Manager too. But the information that was released was that the senior players would handle things. What got me curious was just what Maps thinks they are doing if it is not "much needed support, a fresh pair of eyes perhaps, a different take and alternative ideas, they can complement the Manager's skills, act as a sounding board, offer advice, approach personnel issues from a different angle perhaps more specifically".
Cheers
BobG
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Dickov was mates with John Ryan.
Allegedly. More like neighbours.
He was still part of a shortlist and lengthy interview process.
There was a lengthy list of attributes published on dros that the candidate should have possessed.
If Brian Flynn's to be believed, he was basically told Dickov was getting it with a few games to go regardless of how the season ended.
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The main thing we need is a team of players who want to play for the shirt and club and have some pride in their own performances, and I want Butler although limited in numbers to be ruthless and sort some of them out, if they don't want to play for us don't play them I can stick a team of tryers like Greaves, Horton and Amos a lot more than players who think they are too good to perform for me and our club.
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Making an official approach for a manager isn’t the same as poaching a manager.
It’s how football works and it’s how you get good managers, if you only ever appoint out of work managers then you’re setting yourself up for a fall.
The most successful period in recent times was all down to making an official approach for a manager
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So employing the likes of Howe, Wenger or Wilder etc by a club is setting themselves up for a fall????
By the way we wont be offering either of them the job just to get that out of the way
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Question for SM, would we ever approach a manger currently in work at another club ?
No, it’s not our style, doesn’t fit with our process.
I realise that answer won’t suit everybody on this forum, but we have our standards and it makes us the club we are, respected in the game.
You could argue that being a “nice respected club” Is part of the reason we’re still a mid table league 1 team... we must be one of the only clubs in the country that adopt this policy. It’s time we became more ruthless on and off the pitch
You could also argue the opposite, that because we're well respected we get manager applications of the highest calibre, get loan players from good clubs, can negotiate good transfer deals and loan requirements. Players want to come here, any vacancy attracts hundreds of applications, we win awards for our approach to the community and fan engagement. We stand out from the crowd in our own way.
Were not really a mid table club though are we? Do you really think that poaching a manager from another club is the answer?
But is it managing to get the club progressed and promoted?
Whilst the community aspect and awards are something I'm proud of as a lifelong fan, the black and white of it all in football is that fans judge success by what happens on the football pitch and results.
Promotion brings more fans, more money, more prosperity to the town etc.
I do think they need to look at themselves as managers clearly see us as a stepping stone, which is fine in one way and understood but also massively damaging on the playing front if they bugger off at a moments notice.
I'd have more respect for the board if they could admit that they need a change of strategy be it approaching a club for a manager. If done in the right way there is no reason why it would harm our clubs reputation and if anything would show that they are still looking to choose the most talented people in the pool they have to go from. Plus is this Burnley strategy working?
They need to be honest with AB and say its clearly not working and start the application/poaching process now
Be proactive, on the front foot and not having to react all the time.
Agree 100% especially with regard to paragraph 4. There is a parallel with managers using us as a stepping stone and having players on loan for them to progress their careers for someone else's benefit.
The best manager we have had in many years did not go through the the long process of having to apply for the job and then various interviews. John Ryan knew who he wanted and went and got him. SOD!!
Equally, the last two managers to be appointed without going through an application process were Butler and Dickov, the latter appointed on the basis of proximity rather than ability.
Dickov was part of a shortlist and a lengthy interview process.
Absolute b*llocks.
Only person talking b*llocks is YOU.
Here ya go, it also mentions the 18point criteria I said earlier
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2013/may/paul-dickov-confirmed-as-manager/
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So employing the likes of Howe, Wenger or Wilder etc by a club is setting themselves up for a fall????
By the way we wont be offering either of them the job just to get that out of the way
There’s quite a difference between out of work premier league managers and out of work league one managers.
It’s a policy that all it does is make things more difficult for yourself.
We should be employing the best manager we can get regardless of if they’re in a job or not as we did with sod
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Question for SM, would we ever approach a manger currently in work at another club ?
No, it’s not our style, doesn’t fit with our process.
I realise that answer won’t suit everybody on this forum, but we have our standards and it makes us the club we are, respected in the game.
You could argue that being a “nice respected club” Is part of the reason we’re still a mid table league 1 team... we must be one of the only clubs in the country that adopt this policy. It’s time we became more ruthless on and off the pitch
You could also argue the opposite, that because we're well respected we get manager applications of the highest calibre, get loan players from good clubs, can negotiate good transfer deals and loan requirements. Players want to come here, any vacancy attracts hundreds of applications, we win awards for our approach to the community and fan engagement. We stand out from the crowd in our own way.
Were not really a mid table club though are we? Do you really think that poaching a manager from another club is the answer?
But is it managing to get the club progressed and promoted?
Whilst the community aspect and awards are something I'm proud of as a lifelong fan, the black and white of it all in football is that fans judge success by what happens on the football pitch and results.
Promotion brings more fans, more money, more prosperity to the town etc.
I do think they need to look at themselves as managers clearly see us as a stepping stone, which is fine in one way and understood but also massively damaging on the playing front if they bugger off at a moments notice.
I'd have more respect for the board if they could admit that they need a change of strategy be it approaching a club for a manager. If done in the right way there is no reason why it would harm our clubs reputation and if anything would show that they are still looking to choose the most talented people in the pool they have to go from. Plus is this Burnley strategy working?
They need to be honest with AB and say its clearly not working and start the application/poaching process now
Be proactive, on the front foot and not having to react all the time.
Agree 100% especially with regard to paragraph 4. There is a parallel with managers using us as a stepping stone and having players on loan for them to progress their careers for someone else's benefit.
The best manager we have had in many years did not go through the the long process of having to apply for the job and then various interviews. John Ryan knew who he wanted and went and got him. SOD!!
Equally, the last two managers to be appointed without going through an application process were Butler and Dickov, the latter appointed on the basis of proximity rather than ability.
Dickov was part of a shortlist and a lengthy interview process.
Absolute b*llocks.
Only person talking b*llocks is YOU.
Here ya go, it also mentions the 18point criteria I said earlier
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2013/may/paul-dickov-confirmed-as-manager/
Oh, ok then.
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So employing the likes of Howe, Wenger or Wilder etc by a club is setting themselves up for a fall????
By the way we wont be offering either of them the job just to get that out of the way
There’s quite a difference between out of work premier league managers and out of work league one managers.
It’s a policy that all it does is make things more difficult for yourself.
We should be employing the best manager we can get regardless of if they’re in a job or not as we did with sod
100%. Having a policy where you only employ out of work mangers because we want a reputation of being a “nice club” is bonkers. This is why we need more people who understand football at our club
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Question for SM, would we ever approach a manger currently in work at another club ?
No, it’s not our style, doesn’t fit with our process.
I realise that answer won’t suit everybody on this forum, but we have our standards and it makes us the club we are, respected in the game.
You could argue that being a “nice respected club” Is part of the reason we’re still a mid table league 1 team... we must be one of the only clubs in the country that adopt this policy. It’s time we became more ruthless on and off the pitch
You could also argue the opposite, that because we're well respected we get manager applications of the highest calibre, get loan players from good clubs, can negotiate good transfer deals and loan requirements. Players want to come here, any vacancy attracts hundreds of applications, we win awards for our approach to the community and fan engagement. We stand out from the crowd in our own way.
Were not really a mid table club though are we? Do you really think that poaching a manager from another club is the answer?
But is it managing to get the club progressed and promoted?
Whilst the community aspect and awards are something I'm proud of as a lifelong fan, the black and white of it all in football is that fans judge success by what happens on the football pitch and results.
Promotion brings more fans, more money, more prosperity to the town etc.
I do think they need to look at themselves as managers clearly see us as a stepping stone, which is fine in one way and understood but also massively damaging on the playing front if they bugger off at a moments notice.
I'd have more respect for the board if they could admit that they need a change of strategy be it approaching a club for a manager. If done in the right way there is no reason why it would harm our clubs reputation and if anything would show that they are still looking to choose the most talented people in the pool they have to go from. Plus is this Burnley strategy working?
They need to be honest with AB and say its clearly not working and start the application/poaching process now
Be proactive, on the front foot and not having to react all the time.
Agree 100% especially with regard to paragraph 4. There is a parallel with managers using us as a stepping stone and having players on loan for them to progress their careers for someone else's benefit.
The best manager we have had in many years did not go through the the long process of having to apply for the job and then various interviews. John Ryan knew who he wanted and went and got him. SOD!!
Equally, the last two managers to be appointed without going through an application process were Butler and Dickov, the latter appointed on the basis of proximity rather than ability.
Dickov was part of a shortlist and a lengthy interview process.
Absolute b*llocks.
Only person talking b*llocks is YOU.
Here ya go, it also mentions the 18point criteria I said earlier
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2013/may/paul-dickov-confirmed-as-manager/
Oh, ok then.
Oh dear.
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Question for SM, would we ever approach a manger currently in work at another club ?
No, it’s not our style, doesn’t fit with our process.
I realise that answer won’t suit everybody on this forum, but we have our standards and it makes us the club we are, respected in the game.
You could argue that being a “nice respected club” Is part of the reason we’re still a mid table league 1 team... we must be one of the only clubs in the country that adopt this policy. It’s time we became more ruthless on and off the pitch
You could also argue the opposite, that because we're well respected we get manager applications of the highest calibre, get loan players from good clubs, can negotiate good transfer deals and loan requirements. Players want to come here, any vacancy attracts hundreds of applications, we win awards for our approach to the community and fan engagement. We stand out from the crowd in our own way.
Were not really a mid table club though are we? Do you really think that poaching a manager from another club is the answer?
But is it managing to get the club progressed and promoted?
Whilst the community aspect and awards are something I'm proud of as a lifelong fan, the black and white of it all in football is that fans judge success by what happens on the football pitch and results.
Promotion brings more fans, more money, more prosperity to the town etc.
I do think they need to look at themselves as managers clearly see us as a stepping stone, which is fine in one way and understood but also massively damaging on the playing front if they bugger off at a moments notice.
I'd have more respect for the board if they could admit that they need a change of strategy be it approaching a club for a manager. If done in the right way there is no reason why it would harm our clubs reputation and if anything would show that they are still looking to choose the most talented people in the pool they have to go from. Plus is this Burnley strategy working?
They need to be honest with AB and say its clearly not working and start the application/poaching process now
Be proactive, on the front foot and not having to react all the time.
Agree 100% especially with regard to paragraph 4. There is a parallel with managers using us as a stepping stone and having players on loan for them to progress their careers for someone else's benefit.
The best manager we have had in many years did not go through the the long process of having to apply for the job and then various interviews. John Ryan knew who he wanted and went and got him. SOD!!
Equally, the last two managers to be appointed without going through an application process were Butler and Dickov, the latter appointed on the basis of proximity rather than ability.
Dickov was part of a shortlist and a lengthy interview process.
Absolute b*llocks.
Only person talking b*llocks is YOU.
Here ya go, it also mentions the 18point criteria I said earlier
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2013/may/paul-dickov-confirmed-as-manager/
Oh, ok then.
Oh dear.
Naive, at best.