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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: albie on May 10, 2021, 02:14:29 pm
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Word on the street is that Bozo is about to introduce the need for ID at polling stations, either a passport or Driving Licence.
Trouble is some estimate about 25% of people do not have either!
The number of offences of voter fraud last time was 2.
Good idea, or not?
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Definitely not for me, there is little evidence of voter fraud. It's just a way to stop those you don't want voting from voting, we did discuss this recently on another thread. He probably got the idea from the US.
''595 cases of alleged electoral fraud were investigated by the police. Of these, four led to a conviction and two individuals were given a police caution..
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/who-we-are-and-what-we-do/our-views-and-research/our-research/electoral-fraud-data/2019-electoral-fraud-data
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They should have made ID compulsory. It surprised me that so many supposedly don't carry ID. I wouldn't have been able to buy alcohol for the past 15 years without it.
I have said a number of times that I could turn up at a polling station and say my name is .... Without any check is crazy.
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I agree - some form of ID should be asked for - even if it is just a couple of bills proving their house address.
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I agree - some form of ID should be asked for - even if it is just a couple of bills proving their house address.
So should they stop postal votes - where clearly you cannot provide any other form of ID then the form you are filling in?
If so - how long in advance should an election be called to ensure people are at home on that day?
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Word on the street is that Bozo is about to introduce the need for ID at polling stations, either a passport or Driving Licence.
Trouble is about 25% of people do not have either!
The number of offences of voter fraud last time was 2.
Good idea, or not?
The article I read say photo ID would be needed.
For those who don’t have a passport or driving licence they can apply for a voters ID card.
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Completely unnecessary, at best solving a problem isn’t there. At worst the Tories wanting to edge things in their favour again.
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I agree - some form of ID should be asked for - even if it is just a couple of bills proving their house address.
So should they stop postal votes - where clearly you cannot provide any other form of ID then the form you are filling in?
If so - how long in advance should an election be called to ensure people are at home on that day?
I always thought postal voting has been dodgy. There's been blatant vote rigging in some Asian areas, whether that's just husbands voting behalf of wives, or even more widespread stuff where people have been collecting ballot papers from the community.
Demanding ID though is probably a strategy to boost Tory chances though.
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There's no need at all and it's a transparent attempt to suppress the vote. There's a reason this form of election fraud is a complete non-issue, and always has been. If someone wanted to fiddle an election walking into a polling station and pretending to be someone else is just about the worst way you could go about it.
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This is not a neutral move, as John Burn-Murdoch of the FT explains;
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1183734108582744064
The twitter links through to the main article, but the FT is paywalled.
Scroll down the twitter thread to get the key points.
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If they're going to introduce this, there should be a free of charge form of identification available to all of voting age.
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If they're going to introduce this, there should be a free of charge form of identification available to all of voting age.
That makes sense.
I would have no issue if everyone had to carry ID all the time.
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Biometric IDs by the back door?
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It is a profoundly undemocratic idea. Sledgehammer to smash a barely existent nut. And it will deter many on the margins of society from voting, which is of course the intention, on both sides of the Atlantic. There should be mass civil disobedience if this is enacted as it would be the greatest threat to the democratic franchise in over 200 years. But there won't be because most people will not care about it.
This is the Tories following in the steps of some of the worst aspects of what the Republicans have done in the USA. Too many blakc people voted for Democrats, so Republican-controlled states are systematically bringing in rules to make it harder for black people to vote.
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My driving licence hasn't got a photo on it, it's pink and made of paper
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Biometric IDs by the back door?
Never realised arseholes were unique.
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Completely unnecessary, at best solving a problem isn’t there. At worst the Tories wanting to edge things in their favour again.
Well said.
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I may be going barking mad here, but wasn't it the Labour party who were interested in introducing national ID cards for all UK citizens a few years back.....?
Can't personally see the problem with voters (those attending polls wilts...) taking some form of Identification along. I personally carry some ID all the time.
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I may be going barking mad here, but wasn't it the Labour party who were interested in introducing national ID cards for all UK citizens a few years back.....?
Can't personally see the problem with voters (those attending polls wilts...) taking some form of Identification along. I personally carry some ID all the time.
You are not barking MM.
Labour have talked about introducing ID cards since around 2002.
But that’s ok, let’s not enlarge on it.
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But with 4 yrs of trump and his cronies they can probably see the light now
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I agree - some form of ID should be asked for - even if it is just a couple of bills proving their house address.
So should they stop postal votes - where clearly you cannot provide any other form of ID then the form you are filling in?
If so - how long in advance should an election be called to ensure people are at home on that day?
I always thought postal voting has been dodgy. There's been blatant vote rigging in some Asian areas, whether that's just husbands voting behalf of wives, or even more widespread stuff where people have been collecting ballot papers from the community.
Demanding ID though is probably a strategy to boost Tory chances though.
Has there? You would have thought the electoral commission would have had a look into that if you know about it?
I have used a postal vote twice because I was not at home on election day due to various circumstances. As I said before - how long in advance should an election be called to ensure you are able to vote - and not be abroad on holiday, on business, at a funeral etc? Or don't these people matter?
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I can’t see a problem with it but as Janso said it should be free
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Has anyone noticed the pattern of voter suppression now underway:
pointless ID scheme, reform of judicial review, continuation of policing bill to silence protests. They all expand the power of the Conservative government and undermine that which might challenge it.
https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1391692989911769095
put that together with the misinformation, press briefings, cronyism and corruption
I keep saying you are watching the emergence of facsism in power in this country, put people don't believe me.
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Desperate to get these IDs and passports in aren't they.
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Has anyone noticed the pattern of voter suppression now underway:
pointless ID scheme, reform of judicial review, continuation of policing bill to silence protests. They all expand the power of the Conservative government and undermine that which might challenge it.
https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1391692989911769095
put that together with the misinformation, press briefings, cronyism and corruption
I keep saying you are watching the emergence of facsism in power in this country, put people don't believe me.
Fascism with a small f to start with Wilts then grow it by getting/continuing the populace to turn on each other, then stop the not for profits from criticising the gov't under the threat of defunding, Australia and the UK conservatives import the worst aspects of government from each other.
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I said right at the beginning of the pandemic that because of the vaccination and lock down it would be the best chance of the government for cross referencing the actual population, and they will find out that there are a lot claiming benefits who don't exist or are living abroad.
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But may deter people from getting the vaccine?
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Syd, it is a massive fraud, they either do not exist or live in another country, are yo happy for it and other scams to carry on at the tax payers expense?
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It depends on what you see as worse, a continuing disruption to normal life and lives lost or damaged or stopping fraud of an unknown number.
This is what the government's thinking on vaccines which should be applauded.
''Covid: 'No deportation risk' for illegal migrants getting vaccination''
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-55978334
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I agree - some form of ID should be asked for - even if it is just a couple of bills proving their house address.
So should they stop postal votes - where clearly you cannot provide any other form of ID then the form you are filling in?
If so - how long in advance should an election be called to ensure people are at home on that day?
I always thought postal voting has been dodgy. There's been blatant vote rigging in some Asian areas, whether that's just husbands voting behalf of wives, or even more widespread stuff where people have been collecting ballot papers from the community.
Demanding ID though is probably a strategy to boost Tory chances though.
Has there? You would have thought the electoral commission would have had a look into that if you know about it?
I have used a postal vote twice because I was not at home on election day due to various circumstances. As I said before - how long in advance should an election be called to ensure you are able to vote - and not be abroad on holiday, on business, at a funeral etc? Or don't these people matter?
And don't forget the chronically ill and the elderly who can't leave their homes or care homes to vote!
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Syd, it is a massive fraud, they either do not exist or live in another country, are yo happy for it and other scams to carry on at the tax payers expense?
Is it as large a fraud, (in financial terms), as the Tories handing out billion pound deals to their mates? Oh and a cabinet member's local landlord?
Get your head out of the Daily Mail, selby!
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I may be going barking mad here, but wasn't it the Labour party who were interested in introducing national ID cards for all UK citizens a few years back.....?
Can't personally see the problem with voters (those attending polls wilts...) taking some form of Identification along. I personally carry some ID all the time.
You are not barking MM.
Labour have talked about introducing ID cards since around 2002.
But that’s ok, let’s not enlarge on it.
Absolutely, it was the coalition government that scrapped it.
The minister in charge of the scheme was asked this weekend if he still wanted to be labour party leader.....
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Here's a nice factoid.
The last successful prosecution for election fraud was against....Vote Leave.
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Kato, that's just business, happens with every labour council.
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Kato, that's just business, happens with every labour council.
Then it's your duty as a good citizen to report it to your bosses and get it stopped, or send me your proof and I'll do it
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Kato, that's just business, happens with every labour council.
selby, if you're justifying the Tory's fraud by saying it's OK because someone else is doing it then, by the same argument, you're justifying the very thing you were criticising in your earlier post! In fact, you're justifying ALL fraud by ANYONE by your logic!
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It can't be right that you just roll up at the polling station and say i'm xxx and live at xxx. I've always found this to be a bit of a joke.
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It can't be right that you just roll up at the polling station and say i'm xxx and live at xxx. I've always found this to be a bit of a joke.
Its been fine for 150 years - since they abolished hustings when you were either paid for voting the 'right' way or beaten up for voting the wrong way - if its been such a problem before why hasn't it been changed?
I notice that along with voter ID the proposed new legislation will extend voting to 3 million expats - who will all vote by post.
Why is extending the vote to non-British taxpayers abroad not subject to fraud - when British voters voting in the UK is?
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Just make it a single party state and save all the messing around, The Democratic Republic of England has a bit of a ring to it
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I may be going barking mad here, but wasn't it the Labour party who were interested in introducing national ID cards for all UK citizens a few years back.....?
Can't personally see the problem with voters (those attending polls wilts...) taking some form of Identification along. I personally carry some ID all the time.
https://www.politics.co.uk/reference/identity-cards/
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It can't be right that you just roll up at the polling station and say i'm xxx and live at xxx. I've always found this to be a bit of a joke.
Its been fine for 150 years - since they abolished hustings when you were either paid for voting the 'right' way or beaten up for voting the wrong way - if its been such a problem before why hasn't it been changed?
I notice that along with voter ID the proposed new legislation will extend voting to 3 million expats - who will all vote by post.
Why is extending the vote to non-British taxpayers abroad not subject to fraud - when British voters voting in the UK is?
Maybe there's more people nowadays who would try to fiddle the system? I fail to see what all the fuss is about? Turn up, show id, vote.
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A national ID card should have been rolled out years ago.
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If people want to vote they have to register.
I don’t see why it would be an issue if those same people had to register for a right to vote ID card if they didn’t have a driving licence or passport.
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Bozo must have shares in a ID making company
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Syd, it is a massive fraud, they either do not exist or live in another country, are yo happy for it and other scams to carry on at the tax payers expense?
When the cost of implementing and administrating voter ID is deducted from the cost of any benefit fraud, how much will that save the country?
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I don't know Glyn. nobody thought about your wages on the docks on night shift with the customs.
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Why are the majority of left leaning posters on here so angry about this?
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I don't know
The one and only correct answer. Tell him what he's won, Bob!
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nobody thought about your wages on the docks on night shift with the customs.
You've obviously not thought about it. Because it cost nothing.
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Why are the majority of left leaning posters on here so angry about this?
Because we want as many people as possible to vote.
I know exactly why the right-wing leaning posters are supportive of barriers to voting, I don't even need to ask the question.
"In a democracy, it is for the voters to decide who governs. It is not for the government to decides who votes".
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/voter-fraud-elections-queens-speech-photo-identification
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Was it a problem when labour wanted to bring it in thou? You have to have Id to buy beer to prove your 18 should that get scrapped?
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The big problem the left have is in 2023 when the constituency boundaries are changed especially in the London and South East.
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Was it a problem when labour wanted to bring it in thou? You have to have Id to buy beer to prove your 18 should that get scrapped?
To be fair it wasn't a popular move then either.
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There's plenty of evidence that lots of under 18s would break the law and buy alcohol without the requirement for ID. I certainly did.
There's no evidence that voter fraud is a serious problem without IDs.
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Was it a problem when labour wanted to bring it in thou? You have to have Id to buy beer to prove your 18 should that get scrapped?
The problem I had with the one Blunkett proposed was the ridiculous amount of money you would have had to pay to get one. If they're to be implemented they should be free, like a driving licence is when you change address.
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I heard on the bbc news today that the intention is to make the ID card free.
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I heard on the bbc news today that the intention is to make the ID card free.
Good. They should make it an ID that covers every other requirement for ID too - benefits and NHS entitlement, proof of ID if stopped by police, etc. - so that everybody has to have and carry one, even those people with driving licences and passports. One document fits all.
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Was it a problem when labour wanted to bring it in thou? You have to have Id to buy beer to prove your 18 should that get scrapped?
The problem I had with the one Blunkett proposed was the ridiculous amount of money you would have had to pay to get one. If they're to be implemented they should be free, like a driving licence is when you change address.
should defiantly be free, would not be fair any other way
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I heard on the bbc news today that the intention is to make the ID card free.
Good. They should make it an ID that covers every other requirement for ID too - benefits and NHS entitlement, proof of ID if stopped by police, etc. - so that everybody has to have and carry one, even those people with driving licences and passports. One document fits all.
Maybe it could also include COVID jab status.
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I heard on the bbc news today that the intention is to make the ID card free.
Good. They should make it an ID that covers every other requirement for ID too - benefits and NHS entitlement, proof of ID if stopped by police, etc. - so that everybody has to have and carry one, even those people with driving licences and passports. One document fits all.
Maybe it could also include COVID jab status.
I don't see why not. Governments aren't going to get away with adding extra bits to an existing ID card system, get it all done and covering everything in one go and have done with it.
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I wonder if in time all information will be instantly available by means of one's fingerprint?
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I wonder if in time all information will be instantly available by means of one's fingerprint?
Mmmm, maybe the chip that has been injected into us with the COVID jab could just be the start of that.
(Imagine a tongue in cheek emoji here!)
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1375055031163060224
Ahem.
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So that'll be one less Tory vote then. And with a bit of luck, he might choke on the f**ker.
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I don’t do Twitter but I bet there is a tweet from someone who supports the ID card idea.
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I don’t do Twitter but I bet there is a tweet from someone who supports the ID card idea.
But they ain't the person proposing to introduce one now.
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That was seventeen years ago though wasn’t it.
People are allowed to have a change of mind aren’t they.
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I heard on the bbc news today that the intention is to make the ID card free.
If it is free and sent out to every registered voter then I have no problem with it.
You should not have to apply for it. My mum wouldn't and I bet a lot of eldery and disabled voters, people without internet access wouldn't and couldn't.
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The Tories should have thought about this and brought in ration books after Brexit, everyone would have wanted one. Then they could have changed the title and said it was to save money using the same book to vote, clever eh.
It could even be used to make voting easier use the egg page for tory, and the bacon one for labour in case they give votes to the 16 year olds who cant read with a picture on the page.
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Syd, it is a massive fraud, they either do not exist or live in another country, are yo happy for it and other scams to carry on at the tax payers expense?
When the cost of implementing and administrating voter ID is deducted from the cost of any benefit fraud, how much will that save the country?
I still get mine selby.
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This is a massive fraud selby along with all the chummy toady contracts given out to mates that ordinary people are not privy too.
'' FCA investigates Greensill as David Cameron’s lobbying texts are made public
Regulator announces move as 56 of ex-PM’s messages to Rishi Sunak, Michael Gove and others released''
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/may/11/fca-greensill-david-cameron-lobbying-texts
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The Tories should have thought about this and brought in ration books after Brexit, everyone would have wanted one. Then they could have changed the title and said it was to save money using the same book to vote, clever eh.
It could even be used to make voting easier use the egg page for tory, and the bacon one for labour in case they give votes to the 16 year olds who cant read with a picture on the page.
The egg motif can be used for both parties, with Tory supporters having an egg on their page, and Labour supporters having an egg on their face.
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At least the bozo has worked out (or more likely he has been told) people are out of work because there are no worthwhile jobs rather than being feckless and drunk
''Boris Johnson has said the government "won't settle for going back to the way things were", as the UK emerges from the coronavirus pandemic.
He promised to end the "criminal waste of talent" in parts of the UK by spreading opportunity more evenly''
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We had New Labour under Blair, now we've got New Tory under Johnson. Talk of old Tory is just as archaic now as talk of old Labour was then.
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It's apt that johnson has chosen the 'one nation' tag
''because we one nation Conservatives''
One Nation is a racist far right party in Australia and struggle with shit and clay
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well perhaps you'd have been better staying here then?
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have you been taking selby's medication?
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If ever you decide you want a normal conversation about anything bb, happy to oblige.
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Skippy, I've told you time and time again, I don't want nor need back up from anybody to get my point across. I've learned in my old age an infallible trick when it comes to arguing, and that is there is a massive, MASSIVE advantage to behold when arguing, and that is to be right. You really should try it mate.
Then, you can walk alone, like me.
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I've always thought you walk alone bb, think alone and in fact a bit of a loner
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I walk alone, and think alone, mate, but I don't need to be on a forum from the other side of the world to not be alone.
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It's a good job then it's not your forum nor have much a say in the matter so your prejudices can be ignored bb.
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It's very tory to try and have anyone with a different political view excluded, aye bb?
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The only prejudice I have is with people who I think are wrong.
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Of course there's a world of difference between thinking and knowing. goodnight bb
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The Tories should have thought about this and brought in ration books after Brexit, everyone would have wanted one. Then they could have changed the title and said it was to save money using the same book to vote, clever eh.
It could even be used to make voting easier use the egg page for tory, and the bacon one for labour in case they give votes to the 16 year olds who cant read with a picture on the page.
It's posts like yours, selby, that lead me to think that people should have to take an exam to determine their eligibility to vote!
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The only prejudice I have is with people who I think are wrong.
Don't look in the mirror then BB. :P
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The only prejudice I have is with people who I think are wrong.
Don't look in the mirror then BB. :P
Never read one-sided lefty rags, mate.
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Saw this and thought it was amusing.....
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Saw this and thought it was amusing.....
Haha. Brilliant.
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Why are the majority of left leaning posters on here so angry about this?
Because we want as many people as possible to vote.
I know exactly why the right-wing leaning posters are supportive of barriers to voting, I don't even need to ask the question.
"In a democracy, it is for the voters to decide who governs. It is not for the government to decides who votes".
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/voter-fraud-elections-queens-speech-photo-identification
The government aren't deciding who votes, they are just ensuring the people who do have the right to.
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Why are the majority of left leaning posters on here so angry about this?
Because we want as many people as possible to vote.
I know exactly why the right-wing leaning posters are supportive of barriers to voting, I don't even need to ask the question.
"In a democracy, it is for the voters to decide who governs. It is not for the government to decides who votes".
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/voter-fraud-elections-queens-speech-photo-identification
The government aren't deciding who votes, they are just ensuring the people who do have the right to.
And in doing so, they will disenfranchise several hundred thousand people who, for whatever reason, don't want to sign up for an ID. Like the colleague of mine who has psychological issues which mean that he is deeply suspicious of authority. He doesn't drive, has never had a passport and doesn't even have a TV because he's have had to sign up for a licence. He has voted all his life, but there is no way in a million years that he is going to sign up for a voter ID card. My brother in law who has Aspergers Syndrome is another one who will simply not sign up for a Voter ID card.
Hancock, when this sort of problem was pointed out to him yesterday, along with the fact that there have only been 6 proven cases of vote fraud said "6 cases is 6 too many". Which, in a competitive field may be the single most stupid shite that has ever left his lips. If we have that few cases, we do NOT have a problem that is worth disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of people.
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BST, surely though your colleague and bro in law have had to register to vote.
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BST, surly though your colleague and bro in law have had to register to vote.
Exactly that....?
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In the case of my brother in law, the family registers him. My colleague has registered because he wants to vote. His issue is with the principle of ID cards.
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It strikes me that some on here are happy for fraud to take place to help their chosen party get elected. The whole subject is a joke. No ID=No vote. The fairest way forward for all.
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What about the Australian way Syd, probably the best in the world.
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It strikes me that some on here are happy for fraud to take place to help their chosen party get elected. The whole subject is a joke. No ID=No vote. The fairest way forward for all.
6 cases of fraud were identified last year, in an electorate of 48 million. That's one vote in 8 million.
So if you pick a voter at random, they are 8 times less likely to have committed election fraud last year than they are to have been struck by lightning (1 person in every million are struck by lightning in the UK every year).
It is a non-problem. But it is going to be used to make it much harder for marginalised honest voters. It's the Tory party learning from the actions of the Republican party in the States that you cement your power by making it harder for your opponents to get their voters out.
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It strikes me that some on here are happy for fraud to take place to help their chosen party get elected. The whole subject is a joke. No ID=No vote. The fairest way forward for all.
My mum when she was alive had no ID the only thing with her name and photo on was a bus pass
She had a tin box under the bed in which she kept all her other paperwork NI card NHS card Tv licence birth cert Marriage cert (both of them) husbands death cert (both of them) how would she have been able to vote without an ID card? One piece of paperwork with photo NHS no NI no and a signature would have been the way to go as long as it was free
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It strikes me that some on here are happy for fraud to take place to help their chosen party get elected. The whole subject is a joke. No ID=No vote. The fairest way forward for all.
So scrap postal voting for everybody. Armed services, ex-pats, people with holidays booked or working abroad - everybody.
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"I think in terms of this particular part of the Queen's Speech, I think it's total b*****ks, and I think it's trying to give a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, and that makes it politics as performance.
"And I think that given where we are and the year we've had, we've got real problems to solve in this country, and the idea that this is some sort of legislative priority I think is for the birds."
says prominent Tory politician:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ruth-davidson-savages-tories-total-24098370
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What about the Australian way Syd, probably the best in the world.
You don't have to register here selby
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You do have to vote though or get fined.
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There are penalties but it's so easy to arrange a postal vote or an early vote. You need a valid excuse if you didn't, if you are registered in the first place. Many don't bother to register when they reach 18.
First time offence for not voting $50.
https://www.aec.gov.au/about_aec/publications/backgrounders/compulsory-voting.htm
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Syd on Talkradio they discussed this topic yesterday and according to that programme an independent world authority rated the Australian voting system the best and the American 57th in the world didn't hear the UK for voter fraud and population participation.
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the 2019 election, more people get murdered in the UK than those convicted for voter fraud, in fact an average of 2 people per year die by lighting strike which is also more than those prosecuted.
595 cases of alleged electoral fraud were investigated by the police. Of these, four led to a conviction and two individuals were given a police caution.
there are no valid reasons for ID cards it's only designed as a way of disenfranchising part of the electorate, I'll leave it to you to figure out which bit it's aimed at selby.
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/who-we-are-and-what-we-do/our-views-and-research/our-research/electoral-fraud-data/2019-electoral-fraud-data
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Direct to you from country with the best electoral system in the world, apparently
''How bad is voter fraud in Australia?
Not as bad as conservatives would have you believe''
''While the AEC does recommend a Queensland-style voter ID requirement and an electronic database to mark voters off as they go, the stats provided by the AEC to the joint standing committee revealed that, excluding the 42 cases in Herbert, there were only 76 cases of multiple voting referred to the AFP for further investigation, following 18,000 instances of people having their name marked off the roll more than once''
There you go, every day's a school day, I didn't know they asked for voter ID in Qld.
Look at the graph selby zero prosecutions 2010-2016
https://www.crikey.com.au/2017/02/15/how-bad-is-voter-fraud-in-australia/
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Syd on Talkradio they discussed this topic yesterday and according to that programme an independent world authority rated the Australian voting system the best and the American 57th in the world didn't hear the UK for voter fraud and population participation.
What were the terms of reference of their rating sustem?
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Syd, I have no real thoughts on whether ID cards should be imposed or not, but am old enough to realise that just because the voter fraud numbers being caught are low, does not mean that it does not go on in far higher numbers possibly.
When my father died by the way I found his ID card, so they have been in place in the past.
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We had them for the duration of the first world war, and from 1939 t0 1952 so the Labour party were for them after the war. They were stopped because of population unease apparently.
But world wide population movement has moved on quite a bit since then.
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What did you do in the war dad?
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He was trained enough to rattle your cage until he was about 80years old Syd.
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He was trained enough to rattle your cage until he was about 80years old Syd.
Shouldn't you be doing it from the outside?
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Here's a simple question, that demands a simple answer:
Would you rather:
a) live with approx. 6 people a year committing voter fraud
b) disenfranchise 1000s of voters, charge the public purse £millions to process and produce ID cards and reduce the overall effectiveness of our proud democracy
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I see Trump has waded in saying we are doing the right thing bringing in Voter ID.
Choose which side you are on folks.
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When you look at the increasingly low voter turnouts, will a voter ID card really make much difference anyway.
The people who want to vote would go out and get an ID card and the bigger proportion of the public, those that don’t vote for whatever reason, won’t bother to get an ID card as they aren’t going to vote anyway.
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An extract from a bit of research on the topic. Are all these areas wrong?
https://www.nccivitas.org/civitas-review/fact-check-international-voter-id-laws/
Norway mandates that voters present a photo ID, including a “passport, driving license, or bank card that includes a photo,” to vote.
Voters in Northern Ireland must present an “acceptable photo identification” to cast an in-person ballot.
Germany requires that voters bring a state-issued voter identification card, but they can substitute another form of ID for that card if they fail to deliver it at the polls.
Ballots in Switzerland are issued by mail, and voters who return their ballots in person are required to show an ID and a state-issued polling card to do so.
France requires a voter ID.
Israel requires a voter ID.
Mexico requires a voter ID.
Iceland requires a voter ID.
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It's their choice pud, maybe they have more voter fraud and there is 195 countries in the world which we could ask the same question. The thing is as I have pointed out, more people die from lighting strike than are convicted/fined for voter fraud in the UK
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Haven't you realised yet Pud, if you don't agree with anything Billy and the disciples think you are going to get reams and reams of posts trying to make you think the same as they do. If you don't the pack instinct will kick in., and if what you write anything that looks like you are not against anything the Tory Party want to introduce, well that starts a frenzy, and you could well be accused of being a Nazi.
It's easier just to throw a hook in with Syd and watch this space.
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Haven't you realised yet Pud, if you don't agree with anything Billy and the disciples think you are going to get reams and reams of posts trying to make you think the same as they do. If you don't the pack instinct will kick in., and if what you write anything that looks like you are not against anything the Tory Party want to introduce, well that starts a frenzy, and you could well be accused of being a Nazi.
It's easier just to throw a hook in with Syd and watch this space.
And yet here you are again replying and handing out gratuitous advice that you don't follow yourself, I note Leeds had a big win on the weekend and could well finish in the top half?
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There you go the last word machine, told ya just a hook. Only a tiddler again though.
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There you go the last word machine, told ya just a hook. Only a tiddler again though.
Here's a video of selby fishing....
(https://i.imgur.com/rjsWk76.gif)
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There you go the last word machine, told ya just a hook. Only a tiddler again though.
Here's a video of selby fishing....
(https://i.imgur.com/rjsWk76.gif)
It can’t be selby there NNK.
That looks nothing like Askern lake.
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I like that Kato, made me laugh. Can't say that any of the tiddlers I have caught have ever made anything like a bang like that, more of a wee wee if anything.
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Government rejects petition against compulsory ID for voting because everyone hould have some form of photo ID.
Government rejects petition against ID for social media because 3.5 million people don't have photo ID
https://twitter.com/josiahmortimer/status/1416690797605527554
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Government rejects petition against compulsory ID for voting because everyone hould have some form of photo ID.
Government rejects petition against ID for social media because 3.5 million people don't have photo ID
https://twitter.com/josiahmortimer/status/1416690797605527554
You couldn’t make it up could you?
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Government rejects petition against compulsory ID for voting because everyone hould have some form of photo ID.
Government rejects petition against ID for social media because 3.5 million people don't have photo ID
https://twitter.com/josiahmortimer/status/1416690797605527554
You couldn’t make it up could you?
Our caring , sharing government look after us really well and make sure that we don't have to resort to making anything up ourselves.
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Government rejects petition against compulsory ID for voting because everyone hould have some form of photo ID.
Government rejects petition against ID for social media because 3.5 million people don't have photo ID
https://twitter.com/josiahmortimer/status/1416690797605527554
George Orwell. 1984. Definition of Doublespeak.
"To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed."
We are actually there aren't we?
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..... yes and I dont think "our only hope lies with the Proles"
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Should have realised last year.
(https://static.politico.com/dims4/default/f70095b/2147483647/resize/1160x%3E/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2F0e%2Fdf%2Fc6662ce14a57a8ccf422d1f93fe1%2F200418-matt-hancock-ap-773.jpg)
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Government rejects petition against compulsory ID for voting because everyone hould have some form of photo ID.
Government rejects petition against ID for social media because 3.5 million people don't have photo ID
https://twitter.com/josiahmortimer/status/1416690797605527554
George Orwell. 1984. Definition of Doublespeak.
"To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed."
We are actually there aren't we?
Rewriting history because it doesn't fit in with todays trendy ideas?
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No AL. I don;t think that is a definition of Doublespeak. Good try though.
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No AL. I don;t think that is a definition of Doublespeak. Good try though.
Sorry, i was referring to the general gist of 1984. Not an easy read is it? I was depressed after i'd finished reading it.
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Government rejects petition against compulsory ID for voting because everyone hould have some form of photo ID.
Government rejects petition against ID for social media because 3.5 million people don't have photo ID
https://twitter.com/josiahmortimer/status/1416690797605527554
George Orwell. 1984. Definition of Doublespeak.
"To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed."
We are actually there aren't we?
Rewriting history because it doesn't fit in with todays trendy ideas?
That's the Ministry Of Truth. History rewritten by those in power to keep power.