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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: ravenrover on July 02, 2021, 03:37:24 pm
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Don't come here just to keep fit or you're out.
Good to hear from RW
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/trialists-set-deadline-by-doncaster-rovers-boss-3293944
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Names revealed in the FP…
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/these-players-are-on-trial-with-doncaster-rovers-3295943
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Liam hoden just revealed who the trialists were on Twitter and has said that some will stay on with the squad and will be involved against Rosso, they will also most likely be joined by a new set of trialists aswell.
https://t.co/p4RJoGAupo
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In brief:
Trialists
EMYR HUWS
27-year-old Wales international midfielder who is a free agent after leaving Ipswich Town.
At his best, Huws is an exciting box-to-box midfielder with powerful drives through the middle of the park with a brilliant engine. But injuries have blighted an incredibly promising career, leaving him at a crossroads this summer.
OWEN BAILEY
Another player who has suffered injury setbacks in recent years, Bailey left Newcastle United at the end of last season.
The centre back, who can also play in midfield, was a promising member of the Magpies’ U23s set up - and skippered the side - which saw him included in the senior squad for a pre-season tour in China.
The 22-year-old left St James’ Park without making a senior competitive appearance, having been one of the leading figures to emerge from the club’s academy in recent years.
CHARLIE COLKETT
The 24-year-old midfielder is without a club after leaving Swedish side Östersunds.
An Academy product at Chelsea, Colkett won the FA Youth Cup and UEFA Youth League while at Stamford Bridge.
Colkett - who represented England to U20 level - had loan spells with Bristol Rovers, Vitesse, Shrewsbury Town and Swindon Town. His time at the County Ground was not during the managerial tenure of Richie Wellens
He failed to make a senior appearance for Chelsea before moving to Sweden where he made 52 appearances across two campaigns for Östersunds.
AIDAN BARLOW
The 21-year-old midfielder has been without a club since leaving Manchester United last summer.
Barlow joined Manchester United at the age of six and was a regular for the club’s U18s and U23s in recent years.
He had a loan spell in Norway with Tromsø in the latter part of 2019.
A versatile player, Barlow is more attack minded as a midfielder and can operate anywhere across the middle of the park.
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Yet another breath of fresh air. Knowing who the trialists are. But as stopped the annual guess who competition Ha
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Saw an article in the East Anglian Daily Times on Emyr Huws regarding his time at Ipswich.... so thought I would share. It appears he has had injury issues, but has been injury clear over the last two years. He's played at a higher level and may just need a new environment to ignite him....?
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/ipswich-town/emyr-huws-exit-interview-ipswich-7843706
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There is a YouTube vid from 4 weeks ago suggesting that ac Milan are after Charlie ??
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There is a YouTube vid from 4 weeks ago suggesting that ac Milan are after Charlie ??
He's been training with Coventry...
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/transfer-news/coventry-city-transfers-charlie-colkett-20548424
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I asked my Magpie mate, who is an experienced amateur coach in Newcastle about Owen Bailey... he responded "I know him well and I'm friends with his Dad Steve. He's a good player and had a bad injury at the wrong time in his career. I hope he does well and gets offered a contract.
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Emyr Huws is a great talent, if he can hold off injuries. There was a lot of disappointment from Wales fans when he was left out of the squad for Euro 2016 for the inclusion of the more experienced David Vaughan
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IMHO that is an impressive set of triallists. I wonder if that was at least part of what has prompted the someone must leave to bring someone in comments?
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There is a YouTube vid from 4 weeks ago suggesting that ac Milan are after Charlie ??
He's been training with Coventry...
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/transfer-news/coventry-city-transfers-charlie-colkett-20548424
Says that they are not offering him anything and it was a favour to get him fit, article was from May btw
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Having walked by Cantley Park this morning, I can confirm that, out of all the triallists, Huws is quite a tall lad and is the tallest of all 5 mentioned.
Apparently, although he’s had his fair share of injuries, the lad has been injury free for the past 2 seasons. Certainly, one to keep an eye on.
Now is common knowledge, I can also confirm Matt Smith was training with the lads this morning (easily spotted due to his locks).
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Another Trialist started with the team on Monday ball playing defender 22 ex West Ham. Tunji Akinola. The original four are going to be told today if they are required or not. Two more are joining before the game on Saturday.
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It will be interesting to see if the new lads are attackers, as we are light up top.
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I got the impression that our attack would be bolstered by the loan market, and it has been said that those players wouldn’t arrive for a while as they have a bit of pre season at their parent clubs first.
Do we run trials for loanees.?
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Another Trialist started with the team on Monday ball playing defender 22 ex West Ham. Tunji Akinola. The original four are going to be told today if they are required or not. Two more are joining before the game on Saturday.
Seems like this new trialist was a bit marmite at Leyton Orient last season - apparently is a good footballer, but doesn't like a tackle... one of the main requirements in a defender. He did play at centre back and right back last term for them. Perhaps a player to develop.
Just had a read on this thread that starts with criticism, but many thought he was good and would have signed him...
https://lofcforum.boards.net/thread/9375/akinola-vastly-overrated
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I got the impression that our attack would be bolstered by the loan market, and it has been said that those players wouldn’t arrive for a while as they have a bit of pre season at their parent clubs first.
Do we run trials for loanees.?
no I’m sure we don’t, as we will get all the dossier on then and the scouts so they will know all they need to know
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I got the impression that our attack would be bolstered by the loan market, and it has been said that those players wouldn’t arrive for a while as they have a bit of pre season at their parent clubs first.
Do we run trials for loanees.?
No I don’t think that happens. But look at the forward players we have now. Bogle Okenabirhie and Williams we also have an un fit Taylor so without forward Trialists whose going to play in preseason friendlies. We normally start 45 mins per eleven so we will need some forward Trialist players for the first two friendlies at least.
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Another Trialist started with the team on Monday ball playing defender 22 ex West Ham. Tunji Akinola. The original four are going to be told today if they are required or not. Two more are joining before the game on Saturday.
Seems like this new trialist was a bit marmite at Leyton Orient last season - apparently is a good footballer, but doesn't like a tackle... one of the main requirements in a defender. He did play at centre back and right back last term for them. Perhaps a player to develop.
Just had a read on this thread that starts with criticism, but many thought he was good and would have signed him...
https://lofcforum.boards.net/thread/9375/akinola-vastly-overrated
I don't know anything about Akinola, but there are different types of center backs, some of them don't make loads of tackles. You can have the type of defender that is aggressive and will throw himself in to challenges (occasionally recklessly) and blocks passes from getting through, ala Cameron John, but then on the otherside you can have played that like to sit, make interceptions, shot blocks, clearances and make the few calculated challenges here and there, that is more Joe Wright. This may be Akinola too. You can have players that are able to do both, and you can ask a player who is a stopper to play the cover role but he may not do this well due to lack of positional awareness, etc. The Leyton Orient fans may be accustomed to someone more aggressive before Akinola took that role, so if he's making less challenges it'll be noticeable, especially if he's paired with someone else who's more of a stopper.
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Another Trialist started with the team on Monday ball playing defender 22 ex West Ham. Tunji Akinola. The original four are going to be told today if they are required or not. Two more are joining before the game on Saturday.
Seems like this new trialist was a bit marmite at Leyton Orient last season - apparently is a good footballer, but doesn't like a tackle... one of the main requirements in a defender. He did play at centre back and right back last term for them. Perhaps a player to develop.
Just had a read on this thread that starts with criticism, but many thought he was good and would have signed him...
https://lofcforum.boards.net/thread/9375/akinola-vastly-overrated
I don't know anything about Akinola, but there are different types of center backs, some of them don't make loads of tackles. You can have the type of defender that is aggressive and will throw himself in to challenges (occasionally recklessly) and blocks passes from getting through, ala Cameron John, but then on the otherside you can have played that like to sit, make interceptions, shot blocks, clearances and make the few calculated challenges here and there, that is more Joe Wright. This may be Akinola too. You can have players that are able to do both, and you can ask a player who is a stopper to play the cover role but he may not do this well due to lack of positional awareness, etc. The Leyton Orient fans may be accustomed to someone more aggressive before Akinola took that role, so if he's making less challenges it'll be noticeable, especially if he's paired with someone else who's more of a stopper.
I think it was Bobby Moore who said if he had to make a tackle he'd already made a mistake....or words to that effect
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Another Trialist started with the team on Monday ball playing defender 22 ex West Ham. Tunji Akinola. The original four are going to be told today if they are required or not. Two more are joining before the game on Saturday.
Seems like this new trialist was a bit marmite at Leyton Orient last season - apparently is a good footballer, but doesn't like a tackle... one of the main requirements in a defender. He did play at centre back and right back last term for them. Perhaps a player to develop.
Just had a read on this thread that starts with criticism, but many thought he was good and would have signed him...
https://lofcforum.boards.net/thread/9375/akinola-vastly-overrated
I don't know anything about Akinola, but there are different types of center backs, some of them don't make loads of tackles. You can have the type of defender that is aggressive and will throw himself in to challenges (occasionally recklessly) and blocks passes from getting through, ala Cameron John, but then on the otherside you can have played that like to sit, make interceptions, shot blocks, clearances and make the few calculated challenges here and there, that is more Joe Wright. This may be Akinola too. You can have players that are able to do both, and you can ask a player who is a stopper to play the cover role but he may not do this well due to lack of positional awareness, etc. The Leyton Orient fans may be accustomed to someone more aggressive before Akinola took that role, so if he's making less challenges it'll be noticeable, especially if he's paired with someone else who's more of a stopper.
I think it was Bobby Moore who said if he had to make a tackle he'd already made a mistake....or words to that effect
Maldini that quote.
“If I have to make a tackle then I have already made a mistake.”
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Odd we have another Centre Back on trial. With 4 on the books already you would think we would be looking at the trialists being more attack minded.
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Not odd if we are going to be losing one in the not too distant future!
And, no, I don’t know anything. 2 players are going to be told (possibly today) that they are not required and 1 may be a CB or defender.
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Flanagan signed for HB Koge
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Flanagan signed for HB Koge
Is that the one in Norway or Denmark? :D
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Wellens said in an interview somewhere he'd like another CB. Which seems odd having just let Butler go.
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Flanagan signed for HB Koge
Good. We didn’t want or need him.
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DFP article today saying one of the trialists has done enough to earn a contract offer. Also that we're close on a forward loan. Seems talk of the DM target is thin on the ground, though.
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Surely it’s Barlow
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DFP article today saying one of the trialists has done enough to earn a contract offer. Also that we're close on a forward loan. Seems talk of the DM target is thin on the ground, though.
I though Darren Moore had left... :whistle:
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Barlow probably fits what Wellens is after
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I believe RW would like Williams to find another club which will allow him to bring in some squad players and the loans he wants. We are close to a loan forward but the GK is at a standstill. The DMid seems out of the reach of our budget at the moment. Whether RW can sign any of the Trialist we will wait and see. But squad is still thin and we will need players to cover for injuries ans suspensions.
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The budget definitely feels a mid table one this year as opposed to a top 6 one.
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DFP article today saying one of the trialists has done enough to earn a contract offer. Also that we're close on a forward loan. Seems talk of the DM target is thin on the ground, though.
Loan forward may be the lad from Blackburn.
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The budget definitely feels a mid table one this year as opposed to a top 6 one.
Explain?
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The budget definitely feels a mid table one this year as opposed to a top 6 one.
Explain?
I think it’s pretty self explanatory.
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The budget definitely feels a mid table one this year as opposed to a top 6 one.
Fair in this league? Without huge money you've no chance budget wise against Wigan, Ipswich, Sunderland, sheff wed etc.
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The budget definitely feels a mid table one this year as opposed to a top 6 one.
Fair in this league? Without huge money you've no chance budget wise against Wigan, Ipswich, Sunderland, sheff wed etc.
Isn't this what Gavin warned us about ?
Reduced budget this year while we pay back the Covid related costs (wages, tax bill etc.) and back to Top 6 next year when things pick up a bit.
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-new-boy-jordy-hiwula-capable-of-hitting-double-figures-this-season-3308067
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DFP article today saying one of the trialists has done enough to earn a contract offer. Also that we're close on a forward loan. Seems talk of the DM target is thin on the ground, though.
What about playing Tommy Rowe as the DM?
Saves his legs and he should be able to play the position with his eyes shut.
Leaves Horton playing left back.
Not ideal but it could make the most of our current crop of players and budget.
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The problem with that, Rugby, is we’re having to do that now, when everyone is fit and able, what the hell happens when we start getting injuries and suspensions?
We’re not ready yet and the squad is terribly thin!
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The budget definitely feels a mid table one this year as opposed to a top 6 one.
Explain?
I think it’s pretty self explanatory.
No it’s not actually, in fact I would say it was a very vague statement…
Are you saying the budget reflects the signings, and you feel these are lower budget players , hence not as good as higher priced players?
If so, which players are you not happy with , and why?
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I believe RW would like Williams to find another club which will allow him to bring in some squad players and the loans he wants. We are close to a loan forward but the GK is at a standstill. The DMid seems out of the reach of our budget at the moment. Whether RW can sign any of the Trialist we will wait and see. But squad is still thin and we will need players to cover for injuries ans suspensions.
If Williams has a year left on his contract you couldn't blame him for hanging around if he can't get another club to come up with something close to his current wages.
We might end up doing a mutual contract termination deal with him.
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Really hope we can sort something out with Barlow
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Really hope we can sort something out with Barlow
Agreed but I wouldn’t be breaking the bank, he was awful for the first 15/20 minutes on Saturday until he got his first goal then he grew into the game… Dan Gardner looked very effective as well
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Yeah Richie stated in DFP that he needed cajoling for first 20minutes, bit sneaky or mercenary touching Gardners shot over line too. For the right deal and a manager who believes in him we could have one for the future
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The budget definitely feels a mid table one this year as opposed to a top 6 one.
Explain?
I think it’s pretty self explanatory.
I think that is right. When you look at who we have signed and the teeth sucking Wellens performs in every interview, we are running to a tight budget this season. Given how the other contenders are stacking up, Wellens has correctly set the bar for this season as consolidation and next season - when budget hopefully comes back up - we will be more competitive. That’s fine with me and I suspect plenty others, let him build something worth watching and we can finally get back into the ground. We are being properly outgunned in terms of how some others are spending though.
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Can see some tears being shed with the money being thrown about lots of points deductions coming this season that may even things up for us
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The budget definitely feels a mid table one this year as opposed to a top 6 one.
Explain?
I think it’s pretty self explanatory.
I think that is right. When you look at who we have signed and the teeth sucking Wellens performs in every interview, we are running to a tight budget this season. Given how the other contenders are stacking up, Wellens has correctly set the bar for this season as consolidation and next season - when budget hopefully comes back up - we will be more competitive. That’s fine with me and I suspect plenty others, let him build something worth watching and we can finally get back into the ground. We are being properly outgunned in terms of how some others are spending though.
CBCB, can you explain what you mean by "consolidation"? How can you consolidate, and then be more competitive the next season, when you'll lose most of your good players because they want to play at a higher level, as happens to us every season that we're not promoted?
It's a vicious circle.
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Way i see it we've signed 5 decent quality players this season on longer contracts so they'll be with us a while. Get new contracts sorted for those that perform well, earlier this time. Then next summer have a similar transfer window signing another 4-5 decent players and we've in theory built a side that is all Wellens players and with luck ,and a few loanees, can be in the playoffs. That's how i see consolidation.
Personally don't think we're that far off now. We should be better than last season if you compare like for like and we've not got the 4 loanees yet.
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It must be hard to plan out your results.
Win a few, lose a few and draw a few to ensure a mid table finish.
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Yeah Richie stated in DFP that he needed cajoling for first 20minutes, bit sneaky or mercenary touching Gardners shot over line too. For the right deal and a manager who believes in him we could have one for the future
His goals came from two tap-ins and a big deflection so hope his luck continues.
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I hope we get a striker who gets twenty tap ins this season.
It is all about being in the right place to tap them in.
Instinctive, no luck involved.
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The budget definitely feels a mid table one this year as opposed to a top 6 one.
Explain?
I think it’s pretty self explanatory.
I think that is right. When you look at who we have signed and the teeth sucking Wellens performs in every interview, we are running to a tight budget this season. Given how the other contenders are stacking up, Wellens has correctly set the bar for this season as consolidation and next season - when budget hopefully comes back up - we will be more competitive. That’s fine with me and I suspect plenty others, let him build something worth watching and we can finally get back into the ground. We are being properly outgunned in terms of how some others are spending though.
But does spending more money equal better quality players every time?
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We were slightly better off last season than how we are at the moment we are a Gk, DM, 2 attacking midfielders and utility defender short for me. Last season when transfer window closed we had 18 players including 5 loans back up with Williams and young lads. So far we have 13 players including 1 loan backed up by Williams and young lads. So even with 4 loanees we still wont have 18. If any of the Trialist are deemed good enough then we need them to pad out the squad.
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Way i see it we've signed 5 decent quality players this season on longer contracts so they'll be with us a while. Get new contracts sorted for those that perform well, earlier this time. Then next summer have a similar transfer window signing another 4-5 decent players and we've in theory built a side that is all Wellens players and with luck ,and a few loanees, can be in the playoffs. That's how i see consolidation.
Personally don't think we're that far off now. We should be better than last season if you compare like for like and we've not got the 4 loanees yet.
Longer contracts in them being 2 yes as opposed to 18mnths I agree with you. But next season those signed up other (other than close on an 3yr) will only have 1 Yr left meaning we will be in this continuous cycle of possibly loosing large numbers of players every season.
Agreed much better that they are not loans and happy with that but these are seasoned league 1 players in the main not really a gamble on them is it?
I just don't get it. The club tell us one thing but actions continuously say something else on certain things. E.g. if they had all signed 2.5 or 3yr deals that would tell me they are looking to build something.
I could be wrong but I don't think they have options for a further year on most brought in so far.
Like I say I struggle to see the long term plan so if anyone can enlighten me I would be greatful
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We are still short of players and I appreciate the season has not started yet. Comparing last year to this we still need at least 5 more players, if Williams goes we need 6. RW as mentioned needing 4 loans plus Trialists.
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Does anyone think we won’t sign another keeper? Put the youth team keeper on the bench? Then if we need to we can take advantage of the emergency loan?
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No that’s not the way to go we either need a full loan keeper or permanent I appreciate some of the players if not all may have slightly bigger wages. But we should have enough in the budget to get the loans and one or two Trialist that RW and the squad requires.
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We are building up a decent XI that can hold their own in the top half, definitely. Beyond that XI though it is a bit thin on experience. Perhaps we have to wait until next season to bulk the bench out a bit, either our younger lads getting more experience or we bring in seasoned League One players next year. The XI certainly looks useful though so far.
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We are building up a decent XI that can hold their own in the top half, definitely. Beyond that XI though it is a bit thin on experience. Perhaps we have to wait until next season to bulk the bench out a bit, either our younger lads getting more experience or we bring in seasoned League One players next year. The XI certainly looks useful though so far.
But we may not need seasoned League One players in the Championship.... :silly:
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People forgetting that players who are doing a good job can be offered a contract extension so if they are with us for 2 years that isn’t the maximum they’ll stay!
We’ve not done that enough recently or left it too late and it’s become a problem. Looking at the way Wellens has gone about things he’ll be more decisive in offering contracts before it’s too late
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I have taken a long time to learn to enjoy the road we are on at present and not allow the hope for a higher league status to spoil the journey; for the journey is what life is all about.
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Remember that we still have the loan market, I think 4 was mentioned in the FP, that starts to bulk up the bench.
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Yes we can sign 4 loans but we will still be short even though the budget is bigger. We have 13 players at the moment. We have three central midfield players we need at least one more especially a Defensive Midfield player. If Williams leaves we will need 2 more plus the 4 loans. Just to match the start from last season.
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Yes we can sign 4 loans but we will still be short even though the budget is bigger. We have 13 players at the moment. We have three central midfield players we need at least one more especially a Defensive Midfield player. If Williams leaves we will need 2 more plus the 4 loans. Just to match the start from last season.
We only need a DM, otherwise we're signing players for the sake of it and blocking the path for Hasani, Ravenhill and Greaves.
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Yes we can sign 4 loans but we will still be short even though the budget is bigger. We have 13 players at the moment. We have three central midfield players we need at least one more especially a Defensive Midfield player. If Williams leaves we will need 2 more plus the 4 loans. Just to match the start from last season.
We only need a DM, otherwise we're signing players for the sake of it and blocking the path for Hasani, Ravenhill and Greaves.
Depends if you want to be in a relegation battle an 18 and 19 are not going to compete in league one. Greaves has show this season what’s he’s got if anything. We will see how good they are if they play against Bradford tomorrow with others isolating
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Yes we can sign 4 loans but we will still be short even though the budget is bigger. We have 13 players at the moment. We have three central midfield players we need at least one more especially a Defensive Midfield player. If Williams leaves we will need 2 more plus the 4 loans. Just to match the start from last season.
We only need a DM, otherwise we're signing players for the sake of it and blocking the path for Hasani, Ravenhill and Greaves.
Depends if you want to be in a relegation battle an 18 and 19 are not going to compete in league one. Greaves has show this season what’s he’s got if anything. We will see how good they are if they play against Bradford tomorrow with others isolating
Where did I say they'd play every game?
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Yes we can sign 4 loans but we will still be short even though the budget is bigger. We have 13 players at the moment. We have three central midfield players we need at least one more especially a Defensive Midfield player. If Williams leaves we will need 2 more plus the 4 loans. Just to match the start from last season.
We only need a DM, otherwise we're signing players for the sake of it and blocking the path for Hasani, Ravenhill and Greaves.
Greaves is no where near good enough. I can’t comment on the other two as I’ve not seen either play enough
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I have taken a long time to learn to enjoy the road we are on at present and not allow the hope for a higher league status to spoil the journey; for the journey is what life is all about.
Spot on Brian.
As Frank Turner sings "If you're all about the destination, take a f**kin' flight"
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It doesn’t really matter whether we think Greaves, Hasani and Ravenhill are good enough because we’re not the ones with our heads on the block. RW has already seen them in training and has hinted that one or two will be going out on loan. That says it all, as far as I’m concerned.
In order to compete in this league, we’ll need lads who’ve been there and bought the T shirt. If we don’t get the right sort of quality in, then the writing’s on the wall. Minimum requirement, this next season, is to stay in league one. To drop down into league 2 and have to start again is not acceptable, particularly as we now have players on longer deals. Several Clubs have already set their stalls out - that they don’t intend staying in L1 much longer. Of course, not all of them will, but it leaves very little room in the top half of the table for a club on a very tight budget.
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Yes we can sign 4 loans but we will still be short even though the budget is bigger. We have 13 players at the moment. We have three central midfield players we need at least one more especially a Defensive Midfield player. If Williams leaves we will need 2 more plus the 4 loans. Just to match the start from last season.
We only need a DM, otherwise we're signing players for the sake of it and blocking the path for Hasani, Ravenhill and Greaves.
Greaves is no where near good enough. I can’t comment on the other two as I’ve not seen either play enough
"No where near good enough" is harsh IMO. He's a quality tackler who can read the opposition, which allows him to intercept and block passes. He just needs to improve his discipline so he's not a walking yellow card, but that'll come with experience. He could also do with improving his ball retention. Definitely fine as an understudy at DM.
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Agree I don’t think AJ deserves to be dismissed like that just yet and I would prefer it if we supported our youngsters. He is still improving and will hopefully learn quickly from RW, let’s give the lad a chance.
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Yes we can sign 4 loans but we will still be short even though the budget is bigger. We have 13 players at the moment. We have three central midfield players we need at least one more especially a Defensive Midfield player. If Williams leaves we will need 2 more plus the 4 loans. Just to match the start from last season.
We only need a DM, otherwise we're signing players for the sake of it and blocking the path for Hasani, Ravenhill and Greaves.
Greaves is no where near good enough. I can’t comment on the other two as I’ve not seen either play enough
"No where near good enough" is harsh IMO. He's a quality tackler who can read the opposition, which allows him to intercept and block passes. He just needs to improve his discipline so he's not a walking yellow card, but that'll come with experience. He could also do with improving his ball retention. Definitely fine as an understudy at DM.
I watched him in each of his games last season and a few times when he was on loan at Gainsborough. I agree he’s a decent tackler and puts in 100% effort but his main weakness is his passing. It’s no where near the level needed for league 1 level. A key role of the DM role now days is passing and this is where Greves gets found out. He was only making the bench at the end of his loan spell at Gainsborough which says it all for me.
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If Richie believed the three lads were ready for a squad role at league one level he wouldn’t be looking at midfield Trialist. He wouldn’t be talking about sending some out on loan for experience. He may have to use them if the funds are not available to bring in a DM player or another midfield player. Just because they come through the ranks of DRFC doesn’t mean they should be in the squad if they are not ready or at the level to contribute at league one
When we started last season we could put out a side plus substitutes with no young lads in the squad apart from injuries. This season we wouldn’t be able to do that even with 4 more loans.
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I don't get this writing off of young players. Is he even 20 yet? Who here was a dab hand in their own particular jobs at such a young age?
Give them time before we start saying they aren't good enough.
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Not writing them off and never said they werent good enough what I’m saying they aren’t ready for squad players at league 1 level now. It will be a learning curve for them and Richie throughout the season. Worse possible scenario is that we do not have a U23 side or good enough league at that level for them to show progression. If they were at a Cat 2 club they would have a better chance unfortunately that not us. Some will have to show their skills and attitude this season with pre arranged friendlies or if they get the chance in the first team squad.
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These days a 20 year old is usually experienced
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Richie hoping to have at least four of the Trialist for the Newcastle game. It’s whether they are patient as we can’t offer any of them a contract yet. Players have got to go to allow any in at the moment.
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Richie hoping to have at least four of the Trialist for the Newcastle game. It’s whether they are patient as we can’t offer any of them a contract yet. Players have got to go to allow any in at the moment.
Reed, Barlow, Harrison and Colkett.
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Richie hoping to have at least four of the Trialist for the Newcastle game. It’s whether they are patient as we can’t offer any of them a contract yet. Players have got to go to allow any in at the moment.
Reed, Barlow, Harrison and Colkett.
Mid-Counties Solicitors firm.
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Those 4 would give us much-needed depth to the squad, but it really depends how many we have to ship out?
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Those 4 would give us much-needed depth to the squad, but it really depends how many we have to ship out?
Yeah, unless Ed Williams is on 100K a week we'll have to ship out more than one to then have to replace them.
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I suspect Williams and or Cam John out and some youngsters out on loan will probably cover it
Cam John is just a hunch though
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Reed looks very good to me, spoke to a few Sheff Utd mates & they rated him in his time there, & surprised he didn't make it higher, made his debut at 16/17 I believe. Think Richie would get the best from him having played in a similar position.
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I suspect Williams and or Cam John out and some youngsters out on loan will probably cover it
Cam John is just a hunch though
We'd need two center backs in then instead of one! :laugh:
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I suspect Williams and or Cam John out and some youngsters out on loan will probably cover it
Cam John is just a hunch though
Bogle & Bostock for me
(another firm of solicitors ?)
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Wellens seems quite high on both Bogle and Bostock so can't see them moving. Bostock in particular.
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Wellens seems quite high on both Bogle and Bostock so can't see them moving. Bostock in particular.
In fairness he's not going to say they are shit if he wants to move them on.
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Wellens seems quite high on both Bogle and Bostock so can't see them moving. Bostock in particular.
In fairness he's not going to say they are shit if he wants to move them on.
Bostock isn't shit.
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I suspect Williams and or Cam John out and some youngsters out on loan will probably cover it
Cam John is just a hunch though
Bogle & Bostock for me
(another firm of solicitors ?)
Agricultural Merchants.
The business was started by old Mr Bostock's grandfather.
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I suspect Williams and or Cam John out and some youngsters out on loan will probably cover it
Cam John is just a hunch though
Bogle & Bostock for me
(another firm of solicitors ?)
Agricultural Merchants.
The business was started by old Mr Bostock's grandfather.
and Bogle is very much a sleeping partner, letting everyone else doing the running about as he concentrates on a music career.
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Those 4 would give us much-needed depth to the squad, but it really depends how many we have to ship out?
I would’ve thought it would only be 1 of either Harrison and Barlow and then 1 of Colkett or Reed. Can’t see us signing all 4.
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Those 4 would give us much-needed depth to the squad, but it really depends how many we have to ship out?
I would’ve thought it would only be 1 of either Harrison and Barlow and then 1 of Colkett or Reed. Can’t see us signing all 4.
Maybe not but can someone tell me what's happened to this increased budget?
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We don’t have enough players as it is, we are very very thin on the playing side. I can’t see us getting through the whole season with the amount of squad we have
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When did the playing budget and squad size have anything to do with football fans?
Recruitment budgets are an agreement between a Manager and his boss,
we are fans and don’t need to sit up all night worrying about that extra 5% that can’t be accounted for…..
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I tend to agree with sha66y here....which doesn't happen often.. :blink:
I think we need to trust the manager and relax a little. Continually stressing about who is coming in/ going out and worrying about the number of players we have isn't going to influence the decisions made .......... I'd suggest we just chill.
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It is to do with everyone, if they can see the playing side is suffering, all fans that pay to go to games buy a shirt and lottery tickets etc. On comparison between fans and board on wealth, fans put in as much in to the club as anyone else does.
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I'm with sha66y and Metalmicky on this. We get what we get and the supporters grumbling about it will do nothing to change it. We have to trust those in control to be doing their best with the resources available.
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It’s ok saying that but we need more players, as we are cutting the squad size. They are expecting players to do more with no breaks because of fewer players. Then they wonder why players are collapsing on the pitch, we have had 2 in recent years doing that, and there will be more with the work load put on the lads
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It’s ok saying that but we need more players, as we are cutting the squad size. They are expecting players to do more with no breaks because of fewer players. Then they wonder why players are collapsing on the pitch, we have had 2 in recent years doing that, and there will be more with the work load put on the lads
a) More players will arrive.... as Wellens has indicated he is having to wait for progress on some due to Premiership/Championship teams delaying releasing and we are trying to sort other deals - perhaps depending on players going out. I'd sooner he took his time and got the players he wanted, than just bulk out the team with more bodies - better to wait and have quality over quantity.
b) The players that collapsed on the pitch did so because they had a congenital heart condition.......... not because they were knackered..!!
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What's been said above is right. Let the management get on with it. Only they will know how well the budget is being utilised. We are not in a position to judge that without scrutinising every players contract.
Only RW and GB will be at the front line of controlling that.
I'm sure they are well aware of the strength or weakness of the squad right now and will know what's doable now or in the next transfer window etc, which is likely to take into account revenue from sales etc and success on the pitch. As it should be.
Given the rebuild required on top of the ongoing covid situation, I would suggest we are in a good position right now.
I don't give a monkeys about other clubs, whether they're spending money they haven't got or otherwise.
All we, as every fan across the land can do, is judge on what we see on the pitch from the first fixture onwards. To judge anything prior to that is foolhardy.
It's quite a reset for us and one that some might find concerning but others find exciting.
The best way of supporting your club is to buy those tickets and let RW and the team entertain you!
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It is to do with everyone, if they can see the playing side is suffering, all fans that pay to go to games buy a shirt and lottery tickets etc. On comparison between fans and board on wealth, fans put in as much in to the club as anyone else does.
Exactly .
Feel the club have milked the fans dry .
They are even expecting the fans to pay for the tributes to copps .
Ridiculous
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It is to do with everyone, if they can see the playing side is suffering, all fans that pay to go to games buy a shirt and lottery tickets etc. On comparison between fans and board on wealth, fans put in as much in to the club as anyone else does.
Exactly .
Feel the club have milked the fans dry .
They are even expecting the fans to pay for the tributes to copps .
Ridiculous
And you'd sooner have the club go bust.
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It is to do with everyone, if they can see the playing side is suffering, all fans that pay to go to games buy a shirt and lottery tickets etc. On comparison between fans and board on wealth, fans put in as much in to the club as anyone else does.
Exactly .
Feel the club have milked the fans dry .
They are even expecting the fans to pay for the tributes to copps .
Ridiculous
Same old material. At least put some effort in.
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It is to do with everyone, if they can see the playing side is suffering, all fans that pay to go to games buy a shirt and lottery tickets etc. On comparison between fans and board on wealth, fans put in as much in to the club as anyone else does.
Exactly .
Feel the club have milked the fans dry .
They are even expecting the fans to pay for the tributes to copps .
Ridiculous
Same old material. At least put some effort in.
Have to agree - the quality of the trolling is going downhill on here...
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It is to do with everyone, if they can see the playing side is suffering, all fans that pay to go to games buy a shirt and lottery tickets etc. On comparison between fans and board on wealth, fans put in as much in to the club as anyone else does.
Exactly .
Feel the club have milked the fans dry .
They are even expecting the fans to pay for the tributes to copps .
Ridiculous
Same old material. At least put some effort in.
Have to agree - the quality of the trolling is going downhill on here...
It's no Watford Anne, that's for sure.
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It is to do with everyone, if they can see the playing side is suffering, all fans that pay to go to games buy a shirt and lottery tickets etc. On comparison between fans and board on wealth, fans put in as much in to the club as anyone else does.
Exactly .
Feel the club have milked the fans dry .
They are even expecting the fans to pay for the tributes to copps .
Ridiculous
Same old material. At least put some effort in.
Have to agree - the quality of the trolling is going downhill on here...
It's no Watford Anne, that's for sure.
Those were the days
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It is to do with everyone, if they can see the playing side is suffering, all fans that pay to go to games buy a shirt and lottery tickets etc. On comparison between fans and board on wealth, fans put in as much in to the club as anyone else does.
No Vicar it really isn’t!
Seeing were the money is spent has no indication of how successful we may be this year…what you and other kindred spirits should be doing is marvelling at the way Richie has gone about rebuilding a team from last seasons train wreck…..and one that should in his and the boards view be good enough to kick start whatever plan they have in mind …..
We should in my opinion only comment on the final product….not the unfinished article…
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Plenty jumped to the wrong conclusions during the first few games of SO'Ds tenure.
As for Redandwhite, the fans are the club. That's the whole f*cking point!
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It is to do with everyone, if they can see the playing side is suffering, all fans that pay to go to games buy a shirt and lottery tickets etc. On comparison between fans and board on wealth, fans put in as much in to the club as anyone else does.
Exactly .
Feel the club have milked the fans dry .
They are even expecting the fans to pay for the tributes to copps .
Ridiculous
And you'd sooner have the club go bust.
I have not said that, what I said is we are down to the bare bones as fare as players go. We was short staffed last season and we have got lost almost a full team since
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It is to do with everyone, if they can see the playing side is suffering, all fans that pay to go to games buy a shirt and lottery tickets etc. On comparison between fans and board on wealth, fans put in as much in to the club as anyone else does.
No Vicar it really isn’t!
Seeing were the money is spent has no indication of how successful we may be this year…what you and other kindred spirits should be doing is marvelling at the way Richie has gone about rebuilding a team from last seasons train wreck…..and one that should in his and the boards view be good enough to kick start whatever plan they have in mind …..
We should in my opinion only comment on the final product….not the unfinished article…
but if they won’t let him build anymore then this is the final card
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It is to do with everyone, if they can see the playing side is suffering, all fans that pay to go to games buy a shirt and lottery tickets etc. On comparison between fans and board on wealth, fans put in as much in to the club as anyone else does.
Exactly .
Feel the club have milked the fans dry .
They are even expecting the fans to pay for the tributes to copps .
Ridiculous
And you'd sooner have the club go bust.
I have not said that, what I said is we are down to the bare bones as fare as players go. We was short staffed last season and we have got lost almost a full team since
I meant Redandwhite not you mate.
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It’s ok saying that but we need more players, as we are cutting the squad size. They are expecting players to do more with no breaks because of fewer players. Then they wonder why players are collapsing on the pitch, we have had 2 in recent years doing that, and there will be more with the work load put on the lads
That has nothing to do with players collapsing on the pitch. They have pre existing heart conditions.
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It is to do with everyone, if they can see the playing side is suffering, all fans that pay to go to games buy a shirt and lottery tickets etc. On comparison between fans and board on wealth, fans put in as much in to the club as anyone else does.
No Vicar it really isn’t!
Seeing were the money is spent has no indication of how successful we may be this year…what you and other kindred spirits should be doing is marvelling at the way Richie has gone about rebuilding a team from last seasons train wreck…..and one that should in his and the boards view be good enough to kick start whatever plan they have in mind …..
We should in my opinion only comment on the final product….not the unfinished article…
but if they won’t let him build anymore then this is the final card
Where has it been stated that RW can’t build the squad anymore? We are hearing the same pre-season comments about the budget from our last 4 managers yet all managed to put a squad together and I’m sure RW will too.
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It is to do with everyone, if they can see the playing side is suffering, all fans that pay to go to games buy a shirt and lottery tickets etc. On comparison between fans and board on wealth, fans put in as much in to the club as anyone else does.
Exactly .
Feel the club have milked the fans dry .
They are even expecting the fans to pay for the tributes to copps .
Ridiculous
And you'd sooner have the club go bust.
I have not said that, what I said is we are down to the bare bones as fare as players go. We was short staffed last season and we have got lost almost a full team since
I meant Redandwhite not you mate.
ok mate sorry
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It is to do with everyone, if they can see the playing side is suffering, all fans that pay to go to games buy a shirt and lottery tickets etc. On comparison between fans and board on wealth, fans put in as much in to the club as anyone else does.
No Vicar it really isn’t!
Seeing were the money is spent has no indication of how successful we may be this year…what you and other kindred spirits should be doing is marvelling at the way Richie has gone about rebuilding a team from last seasons train wreck…..and one that should in his and the boards view be good enough to kick start whatever plan they have in mind …..
We should in my opinion only comment on the final product….not the unfinished article…
but if they won’t let him build anymore then this is the final card
Where has it been stated that RW can’t build the squad anymore? We are hearing the same pre-season comments about the budget from our last 4 managers yet all managed to put a squad together and I’m sure RW will too.
have they said or not players out before players in
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They have!
We’ve already got rid of more than what we’ve brought in.
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They have!
We’ve already got rid of more than what we’ve brought in.
The players who left won't be on like for like what the players coming in are on. So you can't go on numbers out.
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What ever it is we won’t survive if we get a few injured players as we have a couple of times in previous seasons if we don’t get people in. And our own are better than loans
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You’re right, of course, the new ones are probably on less wages!
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You’re right, of course, the new ones are probably on less wages!
Players like Close and Hiwula will not be on less than the players they are replacing. I would expect Rowe to be on the same or more than James, ditto Knoyle with Halliday, Close certainly will earn more than Madger Gomes did and Hiwula will be on more than Jason Lokilo was.
You cannot compare by numbers, the budget has been spent on more established players than those who have gone in some respects and will command good wages and good signing-on fees.
Loans will be similar outlay to last season's as well when all is said and done.
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You’re right, of course, the new ones are probably on less wages!
Players like Close and Hiwula will not be on less than the players they are replacing. I would expect Rowe to be on the same or more than James, ditto Knoyle with Halliday, Close certainly will earn more than Madger Gomes did and Hiwula will be on more than Jason Lokilo was.
You cannot compare by numbers, the budget has been spent on more established players than those who have gone in some respects and will command good wages and good signing-on fees.
Loans will be similar outlay to last season's as well when all is said and done.
I wouldn’t be so sure. Wellens went on record saying that Rowe had clearly not been financially motivated to come here based on the contract accepted. I’d expect James was one of the higher earners.
In any case it’s all conjecture. One thing for sure is there’s still a significant part of the rebuild yet to complete.
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I really do not know what the fuss is about. We have the basis of a decent squad and another 3/4 players of decent quality and we will have a stronger one much stronger than last season.
Another keeper, defensive midfielder and striker being the priority imo.
A left midfielder / front 3 player also and our squad will be very competitive.
Do not forget players like, Jones, Blythe, Horton, Greaves, Hasani and Ravenhill are all a year older and one more year experienced. They are all an integral part of the 1st team squad this season and are there because RW thinks they are good enough.
The negativity on this thread is so unwarranted.
RW has not finished rebuilding the squad and he will do so as and when he gets the players he thinks will be a good fit.
What is the point in numbers for numbers sake. Waste of time and money and will not get you a team which will compete in the top half of this league especially this season
This is a massively competitive League 1 we will be competing in this season imo.
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I really do not know what the fuss is about. We have the basis of a decent squad and another 3/4 players of decent quality and we will have a stronger one much stronger than last season.
Another keeper, defensive midfielder and striker being the priority imo.
A left midfielder / front 3 player also and our squad will be very competitive.
Do not forget players like, Jones, Blythe, Greaves, Hasani and Ravenhill are all a year older and one more year experienced. They are all an integral part of the 1st team squad this season and are there because RW thinks they are good enough.
The negativity on this thread is so unwarranted.
RW has not finished rebuilding the squad and he will do so as and when he gets the players he thinks will be a good fit.
What is the point in numbers for numbers sake. Waste of time and money and will not get you a team which will compete in the top half of this league especially this season
This is a massively competitive League 1 we will be competing in this season imo.
yes Campsall we do have the basis of a good side but without the depth it stops there as the basic of a good side. I wonder how many forget two years on the trot we lost that many players we struggled to ease a side
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I really do not know what the fuss is about. We have the basis of a decent squad and another 3/4 players of decent quality and we will have a stronger one much stronger than last season.
Another keeper, defensive midfielder and striker being the priority imo.
A left midfielder / front 3 player also and our squad will be very competitive.
Do not forget players like, Jones, Blythe, Greaves, Hasani and Ravenhill are all a year older and one more year experienced. They are all an integral part of the 1st team squad this season and are there because RW thinks they are good enough.
The negativity on this thread is so unwarranted.
RW has not finished rebuilding the squad and he will do so as and when he gets the players he thinks will be a good fit.
What is the point in numbers for numbers sake. Waste of time and money and will not get you a team which will compete in the top half of this league especially this season
This is a massively competitive League 1 we will be competing in this season imo.
yes Campsall we do have the basis of a good side but without the depth it stops there as the basic of a good side. I wonder how many forget two years on the trot we lost that many players we struggled to ease a side
Dave question. Do you think RW knows what he is doing? Do you not think he will bring in 3 more players at least? Do you think the board will not back him?
Right 3 questions. I know the answer to all 3.
Why do so many people see so much negativity constantly. :zzz:
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I really do not know what the fuss is about. We have the basis of a decent squad and another 3/4 players of decent quality and we will have a stronger one much stronger than last season.
Another keeper, defensive midfielder and striker being the priority imo.
A left midfielder / front 3 player also and our squad will be very competitive.
Do not forget players like, Jones, Blythe, Greaves, Hasani and Ravenhill are all a year older and one more year experienced. They are all an integral part of the 1st team squad this season and are there because RW thinks they are good enough.
The negativity on this thread is so unwarranted.
RW has not finished rebuilding the squad and he will do so as and when he gets the players he thinks will be a good fit.
What is the point in numbers for numbers sake. Waste of time and money and will not get you a team which will compete in the top half of this league especially this season
This is a massively competitive League 1 we will be competing in this season imo.
Think you and I have different ideas of integral. Jones aside, I doubt any of those players make even double figures in terms of league starts, and perhaps not even double figures combined.
If we start the season with this squad of players then I think it would be fair to air concerns but I expect we’ll make more signings so it’s too early to be worrying about it now.
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I really do not know what the fuss is about. We have the basis of a decent squad and another 3/4 players of decent quality and we will have a stronger one much stronger than last season.
Another keeper, defensive midfielder and striker being the priority imo.
A left midfielder / front 3 player also and our squad will be very competitive.
Do not forget players like, Jones, Blythe, Greaves, Hasani and Ravenhill are all a year older and one more year experienced. They are all an integral part of the 1st team squad this season and are there because RW thinks they are good enough.
The negativity on this thread is so unwarranted.
RW has not finished rebuilding the squad and he will do so as and when he gets the players he thinks will be a good fit.
What is the point in numbers for numbers sake. Waste of time and money and will not get you a team which will compete in the top half of this league especially this season
This is a massively competitive League 1 we will be competing in this season imo.
Think you and I have different ideas of integral. Jones aside, I doubt any of those players make even double figures in terms of league starts, and perhaps not even double figures combined.
If we start the season with this squad of players then I think it would be fair to air concerns but I expect we’ll make more signings so it’s too early to be worrying about it now.
Nick all those players will be in a squad of around 22 players. None will be regular starters but they will be used as and when they are needed. So that makes them integral members of the 1st team squad from where i am sat.
Nick you love to have an argument don’t you. Your opinion is fine but by heck you love to argue. :)
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I really do not know what the fuss is about. We have the basis of a decent squad and another 3/4 players of decent quality and we will have a stronger one much stronger than last season.
Another keeper, defensive midfielder and striker being the priority imo.
A left midfielder / front 3 player also and our squad will be very competitive.
Do not forget players like, Jones, Blythe, Greaves, Hasani and Ravenhill are all a year older and one more year experienced. They are all an integral part of the 1st team squad this season and are there because RW thinks they are good enough.
The negativity on this thread is so unwarranted.
RW has not finished rebuilding the squad and he will do so as and when he gets the players he thinks will be a good fit.
What is the point in numbers for numbers sake. Waste of time and money and will not get you a team which will compete in the top half of this league especially this season
This is a massively competitive League 1 we will be competing in this season imo.
yes Campsall we do have the basis of a good side but without the depth it stops there as the basic of a good side. I wonder how many forget two years on the trot we lost that many players we struggled to ease a side
Dave question. Do you think RW knows what he is doing? Do you not think he will bring in 3 more players at least? Do you think the board will not back him?
Right 3 questions. I know the answer to all 3.
Why do so many people see so much negativity constantly. :zzz:
yes of course he does but bring players in is not down to him and he has been told players out before players in and that does not fill our player quota as at the moment if we get any injured we would struggle to fill them places
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I really do not know what the fuss is about. We have the basis of a decent squad and another 3/4 players of decent quality and we will have a stronger one much stronger than last season.
Another keeper, defensive midfielder and striker being the priority imo.
A left midfielder / front 3 player also and our squad will be very competitive.
Do not forget players like, Jones, Blythe, Greaves, Hasani and Ravenhill are all a year older and one more year experienced. They are all an integral part of the 1st team squad this season and are there because RW thinks they are good enough.
The negativity on this thread is so unwarranted.
RW has not finished rebuilding the squad and he will do so as and when he gets the players he thinks will be a good fit.
What is the point in numbers for numbers sake. Waste of time and money and will not get you a team which will compete in the top half of this league especially this season
This is a massively competitive League 1 we will be competing in this season imo.
yes Campsall we do have the basis of a good side but without the depth it stops there as the basic of a good side. I wonder how many forget two years on the trot we lost that many players we struggled to ease a side
Dave question. Do you think RW knows what he is doing? Do you not think he will bring in 3 more players at least? Do you think the board will not back him?
Right 3 questions. I know the answer to all 3.
Why do so many people see so much negativity constantly. :zzz:
im not usually this negative at the start of a season, and no they won’t back him that is why they are saying players out before players in. He would love to give the 4 players on trial but he in not allowed, they will go for cheap loans Maybe no where near as good as the 4
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I really do not know what the fuss is about. We have the basis of a decent squad and another 3/4 players of decent quality and we will have a stronger one much stronger than last season.
Another keeper, defensive midfielder and striker being the priority imo.
A left midfielder / front 3 player also and our squad will be very competitive.
Do not forget players like, Jones, Blythe, Greaves, Hasani and Ravenhill are all a year older and one more year experienced. They are all an integral part of the 1st team squad this season and are there because RW thinks they are good enough.
The negativity on this thread is so unwarranted.
RW has not finished rebuilding the squad and he will do so as and when he gets the players he thinks will be a good fit.
What is the point in numbers for numbers sake. Waste of time and money and will not get you a team which will compete in the top half of this league especially this season
This is a massively competitive League 1 we will be competing in this season imo.
yes Campsall we do have the basis of a good side but without the depth it stops there as the basic of a good side. I wonder how many forget two years on the trot we lost that many players we struggled to ease a side
Dave question. Do you think RW knows what he is doing? Do you not think he will bring in 3 more players at least? Do you think the board will not back him?
Right 3 questions. I know the answer to all 3.
Why do so many people see so much negativity constantly. :zzz:
yes of course he does but bring players in is not down to him and he has been told players out before players in and that does not fill our player quota as at the moment if we get any injured we would struggle to fill them places
Who says players out? He will not get rid of anyone he wants to keep.
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RW IN THE FREE PRESS
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I really do not know what the fuss is about. We have the basis of a decent squad and another 3/4 players of decent quality and we will have a stronger one much stronger than last season.
Another keeper, defensive midfielder and striker being the priority imo.
A left midfielder / front 3 player also and our squad will be very competitive.
Do not forget players like, Jones, Blythe, Greaves, Hasani and Ravenhill are all a year older and one more year experienced. They are all an integral part of the 1st team squad this season and are there because RW thinks they are good enough.
The negativity on this thread is so unwarranted.
RW has not finished rebuilding the squad and he will do so as and when he gets the players he thinks will be a good fit.
What is the point in numbers for numbers sake. Waste of time and money and will not get you a team which will compete in the top half of this league especially this season
This is a massively competitive League 1 we will be competing in this season imo.
Think you and I have different ideas of integral. Jones aside, I doubt any of those players make even double figures in terms of league starts, and perhaps not even double figures combined.
If we start the season with this squad of players then I think it would be fair to air concerns but I expect we’ll make more signings so it’s too early to be worrying about it now.
Nick all those players will be in a squad of around 22 players. None will be regular starters but they will be used as and when they are needed. So that makes them integral members of the 1st team squad from where i am sat.
Nick you love to have an argument don’t you. Your opinion is fine but by heck you love to argue. :)
How’s it an argument? It’s certainly not personal - I rarely even check the user name when I reply to stuff (although your posts are very easily identifiable).
I agree with most of what you said here but I don’t think a player who is filling a space in the squad and occasionally the bench is “integral”. That’s just not the right meaning of the word. Any footballer could play in training and fill the same role; unless they are having a significant impact on the squad it’s just not integral and I just don’t see any of those that you mentioned (Jones aside) having an impact like that. I’d love to be wrong as it would be great to see some young lads coming through consistently.
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Arguing over the word integral.
Any way let’s leave it at that. :)
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Ravenhill, Greaves, Blythe, and Hasani have as much chance of being loaned out into men's football in the lower leagues as playing first team football here, and as long as we have the recall situation covered for emergencies this year I think it is the best option for them to get experience and game time.
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I really do not know what the fuss is about. We have the basis of a decent squad and another 3/4 players of decent quality and we will have a stronger one much stronger than last season.
Another keeper, defensive midfielder and striker being the priority imo.
A left midfielder / front 3 player also and our squad will be very competitive.
Do not forget players like, Jones, Blythe, Greaves, Hasani and Ravenhill are all a year older and one more year experienced. They are all an integral part of the 1st team squad this season and are there because RW thinks they are good enough.
The negativity on this thread is so unwarranted.
RW has not finished rebuilding the squad and he will do so as and when he gets the players he thinks will be a good fit.
What is the point in numbers for numbers sake. Waste of time and money and will not get you a team which will compete in the top half of this league especially this season
This is a massively competitive League 1 we will be competing in this season imo.
yes Campsall we do have the basis of a good side but without the depth it stops there as the basic of a good side. I wonder how many forget two years on the trot we lost that many players we struggled to ease a side
Dave question. Do you think RW knows what he is doing? Do you not think he will bring in 3 more players at least? Do you think the board will not back him?
Right 3 questions. I know the answer to all 3.
Why do so many people see so much negativity constantly. :zzz:
im not usually this negative at the start of a season, and no they won’t back him that is why they are saying players out before players in. He would love to give the 4 players on trial but he in not allowed, they will go for cheap loans Maybe no where near as good as the 4
To say RW doesn't have a choice is poppycock. He will be acutely aware of what's doable and what's not and will have been involved in making those permanent signings on good contracts to get a decent core in place.
If you think he says right Gav, I wanna sign x y z and Gavin says, soz Richie, you've already spent your budget, you're taking things too literally.
As with any good management you have to manage players out as well as in to make sure you're not lumbered with players you don't want or will hardly play.
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Ok so if he has a choice then why can’t he sign the 4 players that he has earmarked out of all the players he got in on trial
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I'm sure if the club look at any of the loans and think , His wages over 3 years are 200k but we could sell home 750k I'm sure the money would be found , the boars always back the manager very well
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They have in the past, or have they as 4 managers on the trot have struggled with budgets and you cans say they haven’t.
And that is not a dig at the board as we would not have a club without them, and they can only afford so much
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A budget is a budget not an open ended cheque book.
Every manager/ceo struggles with budgets to try and maximise the value they can get. The higher up you go, the stakes are higher so it's all relative.
We go through this same old sh*t every season and folk refuse to listen and learn. Not necessarily you vicar but those who persistently have the knives out ready will take everything literally to insinuate the club don't have a pot to piss in.
It really isn't worth debating. Let's hope actual football takes centre stage very soon.
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Aidan Barlow offered a contract according to RW.
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Aidan Barlow offered a contract according to RW.
Did he play tonight...?
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RW would not be here if he thought he wasn’t going to be given a competitive budget.
He will get backed 100%
When i say that they are not going to throw money around of course but the board want a squad that can compete at the top end of the table just the same as RW does and all us supporters.
For crying out loud give Richie the time he needs to assemble his squad.
Quality not quantity is what we need.
We have 5/6 decent back up players who will make up our squad numbers and all have come through our youth system and we should all be celebrating that shouldn’t we.
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Aidan Barlow offered a contract according to RW.
Did he play tonight...?
No he was ill.
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Barlow being offered a deal suggests there is at least a little wiggle room in the budget, which doesn't surprise me. Wellens talking up having no money left is probably so the club don't look like they can offer big deals to prospective signings, and/or a motivator to fringe players who could be axed.
We are not far off now for squad depth 2-3 more signings will make a big difference be they permanents or loans.
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If we don’t offer Reed a contract soon he will definitely be snapped up by someone
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Wiggle room or not, some of the good players on show tonight are, quite simply, not ours and in about 2 weeks time, we can’t play trialist 1,2,3,4 or whatever!
We have to get our proverbial fingers out and make some positive decisions.
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If Barlow signs and we can offer Reed a deal we wont be far off. Would just need another option for the front three possibly a trialist or loan who can play off the right, goalkeeper and a centre back.
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Arguing over the word integral.
Any way let’s leave it at that. :)
Your a Strange cat campsall. It’s his opinion over the role of fringe players and their part to play in the squad, which will be minimal. Don’t get the argument issue and the passive aggression.
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Wellens has said last night that the young lads he doesn’t think are ready so will Be going on loan
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He’s also hoping to have the trialists he wants to keep offered deals by Wednesday, I hope to god one of them is Reed!
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He’s also hoping to have the trialists he wants to keep offered deals by Wednesday, I hope to god one of them is Reed!
We really can’t just let Reed walk off to another club. We have to do whatever it takes.
I feel the same with Harrison too, he looks quality.
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RW would not be here if he thought he wasn’t going to be given a competitive budget.
He will get backed 100%
When i say that they are not going to throw money around of course but the board want a squad that can compete at the top end of the table just the same as RW does and all us supporters.
For crying out loud give Richie the time he needs to assemble his squad.
Quality not quantity is what we need.
We have 5/6 decent back up players who will make up our squad numbers and all have come through our youth system and we should all be celebrating that shouldn’t we.
I hope he does mate as we need some quality bodies in as we are low on numbers
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He’s also hoping to have the trialists he wants to keep offered deals by Wednesday, I hope to god one of them is Reed!
We really can’t just let Reed walk off to another club. We have to do whatever it takes.
I feel the same with Harrison too, he looks quality.
Bang on there Mush.
Players have to look after themselves and if Reed (or anyone else we might want to,keep) gets an offer from another club by Tuesday will they take the risk of declining it and waiting to see if Rovers offer them anything on Wednesday.
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Anyone think that just maybe Richie is a wily character and is adept at playing the managerial game. It could all be part of the haggling with agents bit
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Which was Reid, was it the little lad with fair hair playing the deep lying role or the lad who came on as sub and got crocked and came off?
Have to say I was impressed by Smith but having said that I thought it was a very good performance as a team, we played some lovely football at times.
Quite excited about this season
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Arguing over the word integral.
Any way let’s leave it at that. :)
Your a Strange cat campsall.
It’s his opinion over the role of fringe players and their part to play in the squad, which will be minimal. Don’t get the argument issue and the passive aggression.
Sorry CC but Nick was telling me they are not an integral part of the squad and I think they are. So its the interpretation of integral, but what’s it got do with you. :zzz: Nothing. It’s sorted thanks. :)
Anyway some of those players imo will have quite possibly more than a minimal part to play.
Do you think we will not get any injuries this season or possibly suspensions. If we don’t it will be the first time ever.
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Which was Reid, was it the little lad with fair hair playing the deep lying role or the lad who came on as sub and got crocked and came off?
Have to say I was impressed by Smith but having said that I thought it was a very good performance as a team, we played some lovely football at times.
Quite excited about this season
Reed was the former, Colkett is the latter.
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RW would not be here if he thought he wasn’t going to be given a competitive budget.
He will get backed 100%
When i say that they are not going to throw money around of course but the board want a squad that can compete at the top end of the table just the same as RW does and all us supporters.
For crying out loud give Richie the time he needs to assemble his squad.
Quality not quantity is what we need.
We have 5/6 decent back up players who will make up our squad numbers and all have come through our youth system and we should all be celebrating that shouldn’t we.
I hope he does mate as we need some quality bodies in as we are low on numbers
Dave we have,
21 contracted players and 2 loans.
Yes that includes
Bottomley, Seamen, Blythe, Horton, Greaves, Ravenhill and Hasani.
3/4 of those will be required if we get a few injuries or suspensions. No question about that.
Greaves and Horton have showed they are able play at League 1 level last season and the others are well capable of doing a job from what I have seen of them. We will at times need to have 3/4 of them on the bench.
So we do need another 2/3 Experienced players. If Ed Williams goes then that free’s up some wages.
Another Keeper may only be brought in if Jones is injured or his form is deemed not good enough to hold down the no1 spot. So doing that will allow more funds for another body also.
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We won’t have the young lads as he is sending them out on loan as he said they are not ready ok mate. But, it is probably his way of getting the trialists signed so you can’t blame him for it
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We won%u2019t have the young lads as he is sending them out on loan as he said they are not ready ok mate. But, it is probably his way of getting the trialists signed so you can%u2019t blame him for it
All of them? Will be surprised if he does.
We will struggle to fill the bench if he does.
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Which was Reid, was it the little lad with fair hair playing the deep lying role or the lad who came on as sub and got crocked and came off?
Have to say I was impressed by Smith but having said that I thought it was a very good performance as a team, we played some lovely football at times.
Quite excited about this season
Reed was the former, Colkett is the latter.
Reed needs to be signed up.
I like what I’ve seen of Colkett too. Real shame about the injury. He looks to have great technique and excellent delivery.
Some impressive trialists that give lots to think about.
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It is to do with everyone, if they can see the playing side is suffering, all fans that pay to go to games buy a shirt and lottery tickets etc. On comparison between fans and board on wealth, fans put in as much in to the club as anyone else does.
Exactly .
Feel the club have milked the fans dry .
They are even expecting the fans to pay for the tributes to copps .
Ridiculous
what the f......milk us dry??????
Supporters do just that. We love the club and spend what we can. The club aren't milking....that's a lazy bs comment
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We won’t have the young lads as he is sending them out on loan as he said they are not ready ok mate. But, it is probably his way of getting the trialists signed so you can’t blame him for it
He didn't really specify it'd be all of them. We'd be daft having no cover at full backs so could see players like Seaman or Horton potentially staying.
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He’s also hoping to have the trialists he wants to keep offered deals by Wednesday, I hope to god one of them is Reed!
Yes, from Wellens interview you can tell he's playing it smart despite the persistent probing of the media.
He appears to be well on top of things and looks like a man relishing the job in hand.
His reference to Bruce at Newcastle having the same dilemmas like all managers do means this a just part of the job and we should have faith that he and the club know what they are doing.
The interview overall was very encouraging on a number of fronts! Definitely refreshing by comparison to his predecessor!
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RW would not be here if he thought he wasn’t going to be given a competitive budget.
He will get backed 100%
When i say that they are not going to throw money around of course but the board want a squad that can compete at the top end of the table just the same as RW does and all us supporters.
For crying out loud give Richie the time he needs to assemble his squad.
Quality not quantity is what we need.
We have 5/6 decent back up players who will make up our squad numbers and all have come through our youth system and we should all be celebrating that shouldn’t we.
I hope he does mate as we need some quality bodies in as we are low on numbers
Dave we have,
21 contracted players and 2 loans.
Yes that includes
Bottomley, Seamen, Blythe, Horton, Greaves, Ravenhill and Hasani.
3/4 of those will be required if we get a few injuries or suspensions. No question about that.
Greaves and Horton have showed they are able play at League 1 level last season and the others are well capable of doing a job from what I have seen of them. We will at times need to have 3/4 of them on the bench.
So we do need another 2/3 Experienced players. If Ed Williams goes then that free’s up some wages.
Another Keeper may only be brought in if Jones is injured or his form is deemed not good enough to hold down the no1 spot. So doing that will allow more funds for another body also.
I don’t think Richie sees it that way with the young lads I expect he will try get them out on loan he said in an interview that they need football to become stronger for this level. How many I am not sure but watching the Trialist last night they are all better quality than the young lads we have. Seaman Greaves and Horton could be part of the playing squad.
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Which was Reid, was it the little lad with fair hair playing the deep lying role or the lad who came on as sub and got crocked and came off?
Have to say I was impressed by Smith but having said that I thought it was a very good performance as a team, we played some lovely football at times.
Quite excited about this season
Reed was the former, Colkett is the latter.
Reed needs to be signed up.
I like what I’ve seen of Colkett too. Real shame about the injury. He looks to have great technique and excellent delivery.
Some impressive trialists that give lots to think about.
I think they are the best quality trialists I have ever seen come to our club. I did say that with Covid there was always going to be loads of quality players going for free as most clubs can’t afford to keep them with no money coming in for 17 month
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Hope Reed signs he's the Stock type player Wellens was after at the start. With him we'd have a very gifted midfield at this level which gives us a chance in most games to be on the front foot.
Gutting if we don't sign him because we've effectively got him match fit for another club (probably in our division). In our favour is that he came through at Sheff Utd and played for Chesterfield so signing for us wouldn't mean him upping sticks at all
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Hope Reed signs he's the Stock type player Wellens was after at the start. With him we'd have a very gifted midfield at this level which gives us a chance in most games to be on the front foot.
Gutting if we don't sign him because we've effectively got him match fit for another club (probably in our division). In our favour is that he came through at Sheff Utd and played for Chesterfield so signing for us wouldn't mean him upping sticks at all
Excuse my ignorance as I haven’t read the full thread, what is Reed’s first name?
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Louis
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Hope Reed signs he's the Stock type player Wellens was after at the start. With him we'd have a very gifted midfield at this level which gives us a chance in most games to be on the front foot.
Gutting if we don't sign him because we've effectively got him match fit for another club (probably in our division). In our favour is that he came through at Sheff Utd and played for Chesterfield so signing for us wouldn't mean him upping sticks at all
Excuse my ignorance as I haven’t read the full thread, what is Reed’s first name?
Louis Reed. Came through Sheff Utd around the same time as Whiteman and was seen as the better prospect from what i remember he got it the team a fair bit where as Whiteman didn't get much of a chance
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Louis
Thanks, just looking at him, quite impressive CV
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Shiny boots of leather as well.
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Shiny boots of leather as well.
You have just "transformed" this thread
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Why would Reed be a better fit than Bostock?
Genuine question having never seen Reed play......what does he offer that Bozzie doesn't?
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Why would Reed be a better fit than Bostock?
Genuine question having never seen Reed play......what does he offer that Bozzie doesn't?
Effort?
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Tenacity, tackling defending work rate
Not as technical as Bostock but the warhorse we need
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I would like Colkett to sign, he looked very good before being hacked down by Gayle. His distribution of the ball was great, and not the easy side to side stuff either.
He actually reminded me of a fit Martin Woods.
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The three I had down to leave were Butler, Bostock and Bogle.
Bostock despite recent warm words from Wellens still looks shaky, given the types of player that Wellens keeps bringing in to trial. Bogle maybe bit less so now.
The one who has come in quite a bit is Cam John. We are short on centre backs but it’s clear that Williams and Anderson are the pair Wellens wants. Rowe now seems nailed on as the left back / wing back and is clearly top quality. If you were Cam John you might be thinking do I want to be sat on bench all season.
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I believe last night Cam John came on and he played well he looked as good as Williams and he has pace just the same. Also Richie said he was excellent on Radio Sheffield interview. He’s done well since he was disregarded by Butler and showed he still good enough for our team if required.
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I believe last night Cam John came on and he played well he looked as good as Williams and he has pace just the same. Also Richie said he was excellent on Radio Sheffield interview. He’s done well since he was disregarded by Butler and showed he still good enough for our team if required.
Agreed. I’d like to think Cameron John will get plenty of chances to play at centre half this season. He’s a big part of the team and the squad.
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I believe last night Cam John came on and he played well he looked as good as Williams and he has pace just the same. Also Richie said he was excellent on Radio Sheffield interview. He’s done well since he was disregarded by Butler and showed he still good enough for our team if required.
Agreed. I’d like to think Cameron John will get plenty of chances to play at centre half this season. He’s a big part of the team and the squad.
I think he will be the surprise package. The only slight shame is that he’s left footed and Anderson likes to play on the left of the two CHs. That may end up being switched.
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You must all be mad, RW has made it clear TA & Williams are his first choice CB pairing, he won’t budge from that not unless either of them are massively out of form (very unlikely) or they pick up an injury. I feel for CJ, he’s one of the players I enjoy watching (when played in the correct position) but I feel he will have a frustrating season ahead with view to game time. Unless for some bizarre reason RW is to for some reason change to a back 3
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It doesn’t really matter if they’re his first choice, it’s not set in stone, if one of them has a few poor games then it’s upto John to take his chance.
That’s what football is all about, waiting for your chance and then trying to make it impossible for the manager to drop you
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It doesn’t really matter if they’re his first choice, it’s not set in stone, if one of them has a few poor games then it’s upto John to take his chance.
That’s what football is all about, waiting for your chance and then trying to make it impossible for the manager to drop you
Exactly. I think we all know that Anderson and Williams will start the season, but John will inevitably get chances to show how good he is.
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He’s also hoping to have the trialists he wants to keep offered deals by Wednesday, I hope to god one of them is Reed!
Aren’t they under an embargo? Boom tish.
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Louis Reed should be nailed on by Wednesday, RWs body language was assured as was his expression, …..unless he plays high stakes poker that is…
If Richie wants him and the case is there to give us a better chance of success than not having him….I just don’t see the board saying No!
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Any reason given for Bostock missing??? Definitely think there trying to offload, bit of strange one, on his day he’s probably the best midfielder in the league but that’s 1 in every 6 games can RW sort him out?? I doubt it, free funds up for Reid all day long
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Didn't Free Press say he was ill?
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Rumoured to be Covided.
BobG
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Sounds like Bostock was the player who had Covid
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Cheers
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Think Wellens said something along the lines of he is due next week. Think he needs the time to get back up to speed
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Wellens said in an interview somewhere he'd like another CB. Which seems odd having just let Butler go.
Do you think having of last season’s manager would be a good addition to Wellens squad ?
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Latest DFP article doesn’t read too positively RE the trialists signing up. New loan keeper nearly there though, guess would be it’s Matěj Kovář
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I don't particularly read it that way. Same message. It doesn't say the signing of further triallists won't happen. I guess it will depend how keen RW is to sign the players and if he thinks they are starting contenders that might push a contracted player down the pecking order. It's all part of managing the squad size. We can't afford to have contracted players sat on their arse.
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I don't particularly read it that way. Same message. It doesn't say the signing of further triallists won't happen. I guess it will depend how keen RW is to sign the players and if he thinks they are starting contenders that might push a contracted player down the pecking order. It's all part of managing the squad size. We can't afford to have contracted players sat on their arse.
If we sign a trialist they become a contracted player. If “we can’t afford to have contracted players sat on their arse” then we wouldn’t even fill a bench.
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“ If further additions are to be made, it will require contracted players to be moved on in order to free up funds.
Despite this, boss Richie Wellens is hopeful of working out an agreement with at least one more of the trialists that have been training with the club.”
Feels to me as if contracted players leaving is inevitable.
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I’m sure Barlow will sign today or tomorrow but my bet is today
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I don't particularly read it that way. Same message. It doesn't say the signing of further triallists won't happen. I guess it will depend how keen RW is to sign the players and if he thinks they are starting contenders that might push a contracted player down the pecking order. It's all part of managing the squad size. We can't afford to have contracted players sat on their arse.
If we sign a trialist they become a contracted player. If “we can’t afford to have contracted players sat on their arse” then we wouldn’t even fill a bench.
You know exactly what I mean!
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“ If further additions are to be made, it will require contracted players to be moved on in order to free up funds.
Despite this, boss Richie Wellens is hopeful of working out an agreement with at least one more of the trialists that have been training with the club.”
Feels to me as if contracted players leaving is inevitable.
Strange one isn't it. Saying players need to leave to free up budget but still hopeful of one MORE trialist agreeing a contract. Wonder if they've set aside some budget already to get the trialists signed up.......
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They've spoke about the young lads going on loan, them in total will potentially allow us to bring in one more then maybe Ed Williams going would bring us in another.
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Hopefully it’s Reed who we are trying to
Get in ticks boxes for what we need then it allows us to see how we are getting on and I still don’t expect Bostock to remain with us looking at his previous club hopping and Williams no doubt will pick a club up then another couple of loans in as I’m sure wellens won’t want more than 5
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Think Wellens said something along the lines of he is due next week. Think he needs the time to get back up to speed
Made me chuckle the above from dknward2, as we don't normally read the words 'Bostock' and 'Speed' in the same sentence!
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Depends who the contracted players is who leaves! If it’s Ed Williams, then we can sign a better replacement, from amongst the triallists. If it’s, say, Bostock, then we need to sign 2, such that we replace him and have a standby on the bench.
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“ If further additions are to be made, it will require contracted players to be moved on in order to free up funds.
Despite this, boss Richie Wellens is hopeful of working out an agreement with at least one more of the trialists that have been training with the club.”
Feels to me as if contracted players leaving is inevitable.
Aside from Williams, the moment you get past him you run into senior players. Been saying for ages that Bostock is a great player but a luxury and doesn’t immediately strike you as a Wellens player. He would also be on very good money, for us at least. Suspect he is the most likely after Williams. If Wellens said Williams’ wages could deliver two salaries for trialists, then Bostock must be at least the same. These two going would give us 2-3 of the trialists. We’ve then got a decent senior XI plus bench. Presuming the loans are beyond these.
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I'm a bit surprised that no one has made a bid for Tom Anderson tbh.
RW was talking him up as the best center back in the League. He's probably the last saleable asset in our squad who we could get a fee for. Wigan are in the market for a defender.
Should we cash in on Tom and sign more of these Trialists?
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Anderson's drop off in the second half of last season probably hurt his attraction to teams this summer. If he picks up again that will change, I'm sure.
From that article on the FP today, I'd imagine we are trying to sign Barlow and Reed and offload Ed Williams. If we do that, sign a goalkeeper, defender and forward on loan then we are well set for the season. Even if we only sign the two trialists and the GK I think we're alright as well providing some of the younger players step up.
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No we need him also we would have to replace him and that would not be cheap as none of the defensive Trialist come any where near him. Selling Tom like Whiteman last year would not be good for the team.
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We have already agreed a loan goalkeeper with a premier league club on a young lad
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I'm a bit surprised that no one has made a bid for Tom Anderson tbh.
RW was talking him up as the best center back in the League. He's probably the last saleable asset in our squad who we could get a fee for. Wigan are in the market for a defender.
Should we cash in on Tom and sign more of these Trialists?
In answer to your question… I rate Cameron John higher than Tom Anderson…( just my opinion)
.CJ has speed, good physical presence, and he can tackle,…Tom undoubtedly has many attributes too, but last season showed him to be a little slow and not that competent with the ball at his feet…
This isn’t a Tom bashing, I see him as a very saleable asset that is replaceable, and I see CJ as a defender who can do a bit more going forward….
But if no one comes calling we get to keep him a bit longer
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I'm a bit surprised that no one has made a bid for Tom Anderson tbh.
RW was talking him up as the best center back in the League. He's probably the last saleable asset in our squad who we could get a fee for. Wigan are in the market for a defender.
Should we cash in on Tom and sign more of these Trialists?
In a word NO imo. Who do we get to replace Anderson. Yes CJ could start and I too rate him highly as a centre back based on 2019/20 season. But we need TA for his experience and we need cover in that position
So to let him leave would not in any way be of benefit to us imo.
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And just who do you think we can get in to replace someone who RW claims is the best cb in L1?
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And just who do you think we can get in to replace someone who RW claims is the best cb in L1?
He's a 3rd Division centre back, it shouldn't be too hard :lol:
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I think that needs correcting, he is playing in a 3rd Div team but is very capable of playing at a higher level
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I think that needs correcting, he is playing in a 3rd Div team but is very capable of playing at a higher level
I agree, Tom is well capable of making the step up, i think last season tailed off for him and he never looked at his best after the smack in the chops from the loanee goalie.
Id like to think that this season the whole attitude at the club has been turned around and everyone will be the better for it come the first league game.
We needed a good shakeup in defence and the centre half positition now looks like it has some direct challange, another one thrown into the midst with CJ re-energised should see us start well.
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I'm a bit surprised that no one has made a bid for Tom Anderson tbh.
RW was talking him up as the best center back in the League. He's probably the last saleable asset in our squad who we could get a fee for. Wigan are in the market for a defender.
Should we cash in on Tom and sign more of these Trialists?
In answer to your question… I rate Cameron John higher than Tom Anderson…( just my opinion)
.CJ has speed, good physical presence, and he can tackle,…Tom undoubtedly has many attributes too, but last season showed him to be a little slow and not that competent with the ball at his feet…
This isn’t a Tom bashing, I see him as a very saleable asset that is replaceable, and I see CJ as a defender who can do a bit more going forward….
But if no one comes calling we get to keep him a bit longer
so if Tomis to slow and no good with the ball at his feet, then why should anyone come calling. In actual fact he is one of the best centre halves in this division if not the best
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Getting rid of big Tom would be a big mistake. He’s not only our captain and the commander at the back but he’s as RW said the best CB in the league and we would not be able to replace him, especially with the money that we would get (look at how much we got for Whiteman and we haven’t replaced him.
Yes Toms pace can let him down a bit but his reading of the game is quality and having him next to either Williams or John their pace will make up for that and will complement each other well.
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Maybe Richie is colouring his language regarding Tom because someone’s already sniffing?
It’s impossible to say how he compares to any of the Centre Backs in this league or indeed if he’s better than any of them at all,
however I hope he justifies this title of best CB bestowed upon him, it will make us stronger for it….
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I’m convinced we will be trying to do a deal for Harrison too. He looked excellent, Wellens has spoken well of him and he played the full 90 on Friday.
I also think we will need him with Fey and Taylor injured.
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Back to square 1 with the keeper, according to LH!
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Back to square 1 with the keeper, according to LH!
May be a blessing if it was Kovar as rumoured. He’s useless.
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May have been this guy:
Birmingham City have made an eighth summer signing by taking Montenegro keeper Matija Sarkic on loan from Premier League neighbours Wolves.
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Could we take a risk with the keeper and use the money to get one of the outfield trialists in (Reed/Harrison)?
I know it’s not ideal having no one to push Jones but for injuries we can get emergency loans. Will depend on how much Jones is trusted I guess
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Could we take a risk with the keeper and use the money to get one of the outfield trialists in (Reed/Harrison)?
I know it’s not ideal having no one to push Jones but for injuries we can get emergency loans. Will depend on how much Jones is trusted I guess
Agreed 100%
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Could we take a risk with the keeper and use the money to get one of the outfield trialists in (Reed/Harrison)?
I know it’s not ideal having no one to push Jones but for injuries we can get emergency loans. Will depend on how much Jones is trusted I guess
no
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Could we take a risk with the keeper and use the money to get one of the outfield trialists in (Reed/Harrison)?
I know it’s not ideal having no one to push Jones but for injuries we can get emergency loans. Will depend on how much Jones is trusted I guess
This is professional football not football manager on the PlayStation. You don’t take stupid risks.
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It's already a risk opting for the loan keeper route, said it from the start. We needed stability and a solid pair of goalkeepers and we haven't even gotten out of pre-season without massive uncertainty at the position.
I hope Jones kicks on this season but if he doesn't, it's going to be a big, big problem area for us.
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If Bottomley does not get the chance then we will not know how good he is
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I like Jones but he does make a few howlers at time
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Could we take a risk with the keeper and use the money to get one of the outfield trialists in (Reed/Harrison)?
I know it’s not ideal having no one to push Jones but for injuries we can get emergency loans. Will depend on how much Jones is trusted I guess
Is it really a risk?
We have Jones and a younger lad I believe,
if this is truly a season of “ let’s do our best” then in my opinion we can afford to be a bit cavalier, (I know everyone wants the “ ready-made” player) …but it’s a fine balancing act!
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So the loan keeper we could afford and the right ratchet payment falls through. Let’s see what we can come up with now that won’t cost us a lot of money. Jones will be given a go is he good enough??? The way I see it our attack will have score more because there won’t be many clean sheets. Our level of keeper as been declining for years we were lucky with Dieng was on loan.
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If Bottomley does not get the chance then we will not know how good he is
He’s 18 tell how many back up keepers are 18 and had no men’s football experience. We need better experience I wouldn’t want a young keeper from the Premier league with no league experience either.
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We don’t really need to rush as if Jones is injured we can always bring in an emergency loan keeper if needed
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Could we take a risk with the keeper and use the money to get one of the outfield trialists in (Reed/Harrison)?
I know it’s not ideal having no one to push Jones but for injuries we can get emergency loans. Will depend on how much Jones is trusted I guess
Shouldn’t be taking any risks. We had to sign a right back, left back, midfield player, centre half, left midfield and we need another midfield player and right side midfield. We also in the same priority need a GK. Last year supporters complained about too many loans so you have to get permanent players. Money should be available to make that happen to start getting our identity back. At the moment we have 14 permanent players over the age of 21 that includes Williams and the three that are injured or not available. We have 2 loans and 6 players under 21 non of them are good enough for league one even the ones that inept Butler gave a chance to last year. We are in a building stage it’s said let’s build with the right level of players.
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It's already a risk opting for the loan keeper route, said it from the start. We needed stability and a solid pair of goalkeepers and we haven't even gotten out of pre-season without massive uncertainty at the position.
I hope Jones kicks on this season but if he doesn't, it's going to be a big, big problem area for us.
This is the issue that arises when you use loans year after year to fill vital roles in the team, not just to provide cover or add to the squad.
I’d hoped, with the mooted increase in budget, that we may be set to rebalance the squad this summer. But it appears that the early talk hasn’t really materialised. The continued uncertainty, coupled with the HMRC debt, means this is understandable.
What we’ve got is a start. And hopefully it’s enough to keep us competitive over the season.
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Could we take a risk with the keeper and use the money to get one of the outfield trialists in (Reed/Harrison)?
I know it’s not ideal having no one to push Jones but for injuries we can get emergency loans. Will depend on how much Jones is trusted I guess
Shouldn’t be taking any risks. We had to sign a right back, left back, midfield player, centre half, left midfield and we need another midfield player and right side midfield. We also in the same priority need a GK. Last year supporters complained about too many loans so you have to get permanent players. Money should be available to make that happen to start getting our identity back. At the moment we have 14 permanent players over the age of 21 that includes Williams and the three that are injured or not available. We have 2 loans and 6 players under 21 non of them are good enough for league one even the ones that inept Butler gave a chance to last year. We are in a building stage it’s said let’s build with the right level of players.
"Last year supporters complained about too many loans so you have to get permanent players." Seriously? You honestly believe that the club are responding to complaints more than responding to keeping the club going in the wake of a global pandemic?
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Could we take a risk with the keeper and use the money to get one of the outfield trialists in (Reed/Harrison)?
I know it’s not ideal having no one to push Jones but for injuries we can get emergency loans. Will depend on how much Jones is trusted I guess
Shouldn’t be taking any risks. We had to sign a right back, left back, midfield player, centre half, left midfield and we need another midfield player and right side midfield. We also in the same priority need a GK. Last year supporters complained about too many loans so you have to get permanent players. Money should be available to make that happen to start getting our identity back. At the moment we have 14 permanent players over the age of 21 that includes Williams and the three that are injured or not available. We have 2 loans and 6 players under 21 non of them are good enough for league one even the ones that inept Butler gave a chance to last year. We are in a building stage it’s said let’s build with the right level of players.
"Last year supporters complained about too many loans so you have to get permanent players." Seriously? You honestly believe that the club are responding to complaints more than responding to keeping the club going in the wake of a global pandemic?
We have no more permanent players over 21 than we had last year, 2 more permanent players will not put the club out of business.
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Could we take a risk with the keeper and use the money to get one of the outfield trialists in (Reed/Harrison)?
I know it’s not ideal having no one to push Jones but for injuries we can get emergency loans. Will depend on how much Jones is trusted I guess
Shouldn’t be taking any risks. We had to sign a right back, left back, midfield player, centre half, left midfield and we need another midfield player and right side midfield. We also in the same priority need a GK. Last year supporters complained about too many loans so you have to get permanent players. Money should be available to make that happen to start getting our identity back. At the moment we have 14 permanent players over the age of 21 that includes Williams and the three that are injured or not available. We have 2 loans and 6 players under 21 non of them are good enough for league one even the ones that inept Butler gave a chance to last year. We are in a building stage it’s said let’s build with the right level of players.
"Last year supporters complained about too many loans so you have to get permanent players." Seriously? You honestly believe that the club are responding to complaints more than responding to keeping the club going in the wake of a global pandemic?
We have no more permanent players over 21 than we had last year, 2 more permanent players will not put the club out of business.
Once again you are getting hung up on silly statistics and quotas, …you are wanting quite a lot from the club, yet not taking a step back and looking at our current situation.
Jones is a decent keeper but seems to have the drive to want to be better, so in my opinion should be given a chance to establish his credentials.. however the defenders need to do their part in affording him cover
Has anyone asked Richie what size squad he would like to manage?
He may like someone earlier mentioned like to run with a smaller squad of players that he feels will get us from A to B….
I get the feeling that you have already lined up your “ BLAME CARDS” and are just waiting to slam them down…..( you are not alone)…… but thankfully most of us can see what a struggle the new season will bring and how our income streams have been affected by the pandemic….
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Richie said they’ve offered Barlow a contract and would like to sign one more so I’m saying no more that Richie would like. I’m not asking for a big squad just comparing it to last year.
I’m not going to blame any body by the way but as I’ve said before if it doesn’t work out then there will be plenty want to hand Richie out to dry.
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Richie said they’ve offered Barlow a contract and would like to sign one more so I’m saying no more that Richie would like. I’m not asking for a big squad just comparing it to last year.
I’m not going to blame any body by the way but as I’ve said before if it doesn’t work out then there will be plenty want to hand Richie out to dry.
Now there’s the crux….
We kind of know what to expect, so there really isn’t anything concrete that’s going to work out!
Most expect a lot of losses, a few draws and some memorable wins….
Most expect the team to commit to every game 100% …
Most will accept defeat and look for the plus points…
Most will remain as positive as possible whilst dissecting reasons for failure
and some will blame the owners, the manager, the lack of depth, the amount of young players and the weather….
I guess it’s about choosing what kind of supporter you want to be this year?
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Could we take a risk with the keeper and use the money to get one of the outfield trialists in (Reed/Harrison)?
I know it%u2019s not ideal having no one to push Jones but for injuries we can get emergency loans. Will depend on how much Jones is trusted I guess
Shouldn%u2019t be taking any risks. We had to sign a right back, left back, midfield player, centre half, left midfield and we need another midfield player and right side midfield. We also in the same priority need a GK. Last year supporters complained about too many loans so you have to get permanent players. Money should be available to make that happen to start getting our identity back. At the moment we have 14 permanent players over the age of 21 that includes Williams and the three that are injured or not available. We have 2 loans and 6 players under 21 non of them are good enough for league one even the ones that inept Butler gave a chance to last year. We are in a building stage it%u2019s said let%u2019s build with the right level of players.
"Last year supporters complained about too many loans so you have to get permanent players." Seriously? You honestly believe that the club are responding to complaints more than responding to keeping the club going in the wake of a global pandemic?
We have no more permanent players over 21 than we had last year, 2 more permanent players will not put the club out of business.
Get your cheque book out steve@dcfd.
Easy spending other peoples money isnt it?
Maybe RW is happy with a smaller squad as Sha66y has said.
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Could we take a risk with the keeper and use the money to get one of the outfield trialists in (Reed/Harrison)?
I know it%u2019s not ideal having no one to push Jones but for injuries we can get emergency loans. Will depend on how much Jones is trusted I guess
Shouldn%u2019t be taking any risks. We had to sign a right back, left back, midfield player, centre half, left midfield and we need another midfield player and right side midfield. We also in the same priority need a GK. Last year supporters complained about too many loans so you have to get permanent players. Money should be available to make that happen to start getting our identity back. At the moment we have 14 permanent players over the age of 21 that includes Williams and the three that are injured or not available. We have 2 loans and 6 players under 21 non of them are good enough for league one even the ones that inept Butler gave a chance to last year. We are in a building stage it%u2019s said let%u2019s build with the right level of players.
"Last year supporters complained about too many loans so you have to get permanent players." Seriously? You honestly believe that the club are responding to complaints more than responding to keeping the club going in the wake of a global pandemic?
We have no more permanent players over 21 than we had last year, 2 more permanent players will not put the club out of business.
Get your cheque book out steve@dcfd.
Easy spending other peoples money isnt it?
Maybe RW is happy with a smaller squad as Sha66y has said.
We’ve offered one of them a contract and he said he would like to sign of the other of the Trialists Campsall
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Interesting that it’s now several days since Wellens said we had offered the deal, but it’s not clear yet whether it has been signed. Given the lad was on trial, you would have thought he would have leapt on this.
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One will hope it could be announced tomorrow but we should see at the match tomorrow if any of the Trialist are still here as Richie said he would let them know if any could be offered a contract by Wednesday. Don’t know if that will before or after the game.
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Interesting that it’s now several days since Wellens said we had offered the deal, but it’s not clear yet whether it has been signed. Given the lad was on trial, you would have thought he would have leapt on this.
I suppose it depends on whether the offered deal is attractive enough for him to leap in and accept it.
If he has done enough to impress us he has probably impressed other clubs too.
Perhaps he has other deals to consider and might be talking to those other clubs and weighing things up.
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If that was the case then I would think Richie will remove our offer and try and look at another Trialist
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NEXT ?
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We never normally announce signings at start of a week anyway.
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Seems some of you have already made your mind up!
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Dan Crowley who plays for us the other night is playing on trial for Cheltenham tonight
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Barlow and Reed will sign
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Hoden now saying that “players” plural available for permanent transfer.
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Hoden now saying that “players” plural available for permanent transfer.
i think that if Wellens could terminate the contracts of Bogle, Bostock and Williams to free up funds to spend himself, he would.
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Agree with that. Said for ages Butler, Bogle and Bostock the three to leave. Williams now obviously on that list.
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Dan Crowley who plays for us the other night is playing on trial for Cheltenham tonight
Well that’s t we won’t be able to compete with Cheltenham on wages.
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Or maybe wellens doesn’t think we need him
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What Hoden said:
Rovers will listen to offers for certain senior players but have so far not received any concrete expressions of interest.
We know Ed Williams is one and that’s all we know! If ‘certain’ players don’t want to be here, then the best thing is, for everyone, they leave - pronto. The last thing we need is a repeat of what we had in the second half of last season, with factions in the squad and a lot of arguing and falling out. With, what looks like being, a very small squad, we need everyone on the same page.
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Dan Crowley who plays for us the other night is playing on trial for Cheltenham tonight
Well that’s t we won’t be able to compete with Cheltenham on wages.
Crikey any more negativity. Isn’t it obvious RW has told him he will not be offering him a contract.
Talk about doom and gloom.
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Dan Crowley who plays for us the other night is playing on trial for Cheltenham tonight
Well that’s t we won’t be able to compete with Cheltenham on wages.
Crikey any more negativity. Isn’t it obvious RW has told him he will not be offering him a contract.
Talk about doom and gloom.
I dont think it is obvious Camps.
Cheltenham might have indicated they are interested in him with a better deal if his trial goes well.
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Dan Crowley who plays for us the other night is playing on trial for Cheltenham tonight
Well that’s t we won’t be able to compete with Cheltenham on wages.
Crikey any more negativity. Isn’t it obvious RW has told him he will not be offering him a contract.
Talk about doom and gloom.
I dont think it is obvious Camps.
Cheltenham might have indicated they are interested in him with a better deal if his trial goes well.
Exactly. If they can pay him with something more than washers then they can blow us out of the water!
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Apparently he has a major attitude problem maybe that’s the reason why
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Liam Hoden has said in one of his latest stories that “Rovers will listen to offers for certain senior players but have so far not received any concrete expressions of interest.”
If this is true about there being multiple players then it will be interesting to see who the players are. Obviously Ed Williams will be one but not sure who the other will be, Bostock is the obvious one but I’ll wait to see if he’s involved tomorrow before I believe anything about him going because I think he can be a vital player for us this season. If he is one of the players tho it would make sense and free up a lot of wages because I can imagine he is one of the highest paid players at the club.
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You’re right, of course, the new ones are probably on less wages!
Players like Close and Hiwula will not be on less than the players they are replacing. I would expect Rowe to be on the same or more than James, ditto Knoyle with Halliday, Close certainly will earn more than Madger Gomes did and Hiwula will be on more than Jason Lokilo was.
You cannot compare by numbers, the budget has been spent on more established players than those who have gone in some respects and will command good wages and good signing-on fees.
Loans will be similar outlay to last season's as well when all is said and done.
Liam Hoden has backed this up in reply to someone Twitter asking about budget:
"Trust me, the wages the new contracted players are on outweigh those of the ones that have left."
Wellens has used his budget to sign players he feels are a higher ability, and we've had to pay to get them. He's now doing the balancing act to try and ensure the right level of squad depth. It was clear that the majority of our permanent signings this summer were going to be on equal or better wages to those they were replacing and it seems that is indeed the case.
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I really like how wellens has brough in better quality of permanent players even if it has meant they are on more money and it is quality over quantity. This is the start of the rebuild and he has his back 4 sorted now for this season and 3 of the 4 are under contract for next season so hopefully by this time next season we will be in a great position to bring in more quality players under long contracts and push for promotion then.
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You lot must be a nightmare to go to 4he pub with and talk rovers. All you do is argue, don't listen to each others view and think you all know best. I thought a forum was about friendly debate? I just see alot of anger on here all the time
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Barlow having a medical at Rovers today prior to signing.
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How do you know that Pancho?
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How do you know that Pancho?
DFP website.
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You’re right, of course, the new ones are probably on less wages!
Players like Close and Hiwula will not be on less than the players they are replacing. I would expect Rowe to be on the same or more than James, ditto Knoyle with Halliday, Close certainly will earn more than Madger Gomes did and Hiwula will be on more than Jason Lokilo was.
You cannot compare by numbers, the budget has been spent on more established players than those who have gone in some respects and will command good wages and good signing-on fees.
Loans will be similar outlay to last season's as well when all is said and done.
Liam Hoden has backed this up in reply to someone Twitter asking about budget:
"Trust me, the wages the new contracted players are on outweigh those of the ones that have left."
Wellens has used his budget to sign players he feels are a higher ability, and we've had to pay to get them. He's now doing the balancing act to try and ensure the right level of squad depth. It was clear that the majority of our permanent signings this summer were going to be on equal or better wages to those they were replacing and it seems that is indeed the case.
Exactly. Richie knows what he's doing. We needed a new core to provide some stability. Also signing good players on longer contracts helps attract other good players. Once again, we should be patient enough and accept that it might take a couple or more transfer windows to strengthen that core to the level he wants.
While other clubs may be taking bigger gambles, we go about things in more modest fashion.
I've been surprised just how many triallists are trying to earn contracts from Championship clubs down through the leagues. This is just how the market has evolved I guess and as a result some fans need to adjust their budget bashing radar.
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Hoden also saying Barlow likely to be playing tonight against Sheff Utd.
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Barlow to have medical and complete his contract today then play against Sheffield United.
DBR it’s not about bashing the budget as you put it. If we have paid more for the players we require to improve then we have to slightly adjust our sites. Richie as been more open with what he’s had to do to acquire the players. Last year we had to rely on second hand information this year supporters have had an insight into what the club have had to do with signing of players. When was the last time we signed 5/6 permanent players hopefully 7 in one transfer window. But that’s been forced on the club with players leaving.
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Fingers crossed, Reed follows on behind him!
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Barlow to have medical and complete his contract today then play against Sheffield United.
DBR it’s not about bashing the budget as you put it. If we have paid more for the players we require to improve then we have to slightly adjust our sites. Richie as been more open with what he’s had to do to acquire the players. Last year we had to rely on second hand information this year supporters have had an insight into what the club have had to do with signing of players. When was the last time we signed 5/6 permanent players hopefully 7 in one transfer window. But that’s been forced on the club with players leaving.
You know where I'm coming from. Those board baskets who insist that 2 + 2 must equal 5!
I don't think the approach is any different from the club however, we have a manager who is more assured with how he goes about his business what he's talking about with the media.
When I spoke someone at the club shortly after Richies appointment, they said he was like "A breath of fresh air".
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Could we take a risk with the keeper and use the money to get one of the outfield trialists in (Reed/Harrison)?
I know it’s not ideal having no one to push Jones but for injuries we can get emergency loans. Will depend on how much Jones is trusted I guess
This is professional football not football manager on the PlayStation. You don’t take stupid risks.
How is it any different to last season though? We had Balcome/Buirsk on loan and Jones who had never played as back up. In the end Bursik got injured and we were able to bring in Lumbley who was probably the best keeper we had all season.
It depends how much Wellens trusts Jones if there are question marks then of course we need another but if it’s cover for injuries I’d take the risk if it meant signing Reed
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Could we take a risk with the keeper and use the money to get one of the outfield trialists in (Reed/Harrison)?
I know it’s not ideal having no one to push Jones but for injuries we can get emergency loans. Will depend on how much Jones is trusted I guess
This is professional football not football manager on the PlayStation. You don’t take stupid risks.
FM isn't available in PlayStation. ;)
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Fingers crossed, Reed follows on behind him!
The fact he's still here is a huge boost imo. He obviously wants to be here. Wellens obviously wants him. Let's just hope we can get a contract on the table soon.
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So it looks like there could still be 3/4 Trialists playing tonight. Hoping to offer Reed a contract. But must like the other two aswell but they might be a step to far. Also a new trialist if he’s prepared to play.
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I think we'll have a situation similar to the last few January's where all of a sudden money will be found. This summer is probably a really good time to sign up players on cheaper deals than before. Lot's a clubs cutting back evident by the quality of players we've had on trial.
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Reed is of interest.... although may have gone early with his report as he thinks the friendly with Sheffield United has already happened.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-have-real-interest-in-signing-trialist-louis-reed-3326519
While Rovers boss Wellens was originally looking for a deep-lying midfielder with different attributes to the 24-year-old, particularly someone more combative. But he has been convinced that Reed - who was expected to feature again in last night’s friendly against Sheffield United - can slot into his system.
LH has just changed it to tonight's friendly. :thumbsup:
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This was also an interesting line.
“There are two or three senior players for whom the Rovers boss would listen to offers, as well as seeking to send out younger members of the squad on loan.”
If you exclude players that we have given contract extensions or have signed this summer or Wellens has confirmed are central to his plans - you are down to literally five possible candidates including Williams.
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It must be a small number. If we assume not the youngsters you're really down to Bostock, Bogle, Williams, John.
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It must be a small number. If we assume not the youngsters you're really down to Bostock, Bogle, Williams, John.
Okenabirhie and maybe Seaman?
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It must be a small number. If we assume not the youngsters you're really down to Bostock, Bogle, Williams, John.
Okenabirhie and maybe Seaman?
He won’t want Fej and John to go surely. They are both very good.
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But there’s been no interest in any of the players Liam has said so unless things change we are snookered in bringing anybody in apart from a goal keeper loan.
I don’t see how young players going out on loan will save us money but should help with their development one would hope.
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We're not in THAT bad shape IMO, but we do need 3 more probably IMO. This is excluding the younger lads who will be loaned out, and Ed Williams...
GK: Jones
RB: Knoyle, Seaman
CB: Anderson, RS-Williams, John
LB: Rowe, Horton
CM: Close, Bostock, Smith
RW: Taylor, Barlow?
ST: Okenabirhie, Bogle
LW: Cukur, Hiwula
To me we look OK in defensive areas. Probably need another midfield option, definitely a GK, and the wide areas look a bit thin on the ground, that's where I'm getting the 3 from.
We'll need a bit of luck with injuries/suspensions and will probably require the likes of John, Rowe, Hiwula to be versatile but with finances tight I don't think we're in a disastrous position. We've got a couple there for most positions, we just need that bit more depth.
Edit - agree with the above on Fej/John as well. We'd be mad to let those two go.
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I think he sees Bostock as a big player for us, but maybe he's on a big wedge. Surely Bogle is one he's willing to let leave though.
Agree with the above, Fej and John are 2 of our better players.
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If he really wants Reed and all other trialists go I think the board might give him the money
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I would not be letting the young lad Seaman go, he looked very composed against Newcastle, and rapid! Only a short glimpse in to what he can do, but he looked assured.
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I think he sees Bostock as a big player for us, but maybe he's on a big wedge. Surely Bogle is one he's willing to let leave though.
Agree with the above, Fej and John are 2 of our better players.
I don’t think Bostock is on that much. He commented on one of his YouTube videos when he signed saying his wage wasn’t what he was hoping for and was a drop on what he thought he would get but was just happy to be back in football.
I honestly think Bostock will excel playing under Wellens and the type of football we plan on playing
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I think he sees Bostock as a big player for us, but maybe he's on a big wedge. Surely Bogle is one he's willing to let leave though.
Agree with the above, Fej and John are 2 of our better players.
I don’t think Bostock is on that much. He commented on one of his YouTube videos when he signed saying his wage wasn’t what he was hoping for and was a drop on what he thought he would get but was just happy to be back in football.
I honestly think Bostock will excel playing under Wellens and the type of football we plan on playing
That statement doesn’t mean he isn’t on a fairly high salary for us, just not in his eyes
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I think he sees Bostock as a big player for us, but maybe he's on a big wedge. Surely Bogle is one he's willing to let leave though.
Agree with the above, Fej and John are 2 of our better players.
I don’t think Bostock is on that much. He commented on one of his YouTube videos when he signed saying his wage wasn’t what he was hoping for and was a drop on what he thought he would get but was just happy to be back in football.
I honestly think Bostock will excel playing under Wellens and the type of football we plan on playing
He might have wanted 10k a week but we've offered him 4k a week.
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First time I saw Reed play last night and although it was only one match, I don't see why people are tugging themselves into a coma over him.
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First time I saw Reed play last night and although it was only one match, I don't see why people are tugging themselves into a coma over him.
Who’s been doing that?
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Had a decent game against The Toon that's why. Very poor last night though
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I’m not sure Reed was “very poor.” I’d say he was exposed physically and not as controlled with the ball as he was in the previous game. He did some good things, but it was a very difficult game for the whole team.
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He was left for dead on several occasions, they just ran past him. On that performance he certainly is not the mester that RW wants in front of the back four something he alluded to in his presser
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He’s a good and tidy player who would at League One level no doubt be a useful addition, but he’s a luxury frankly as we need a type of player in the midfield that is not him. It was mystifying how on the basis of one friendly people were getting so worked up about signing up up. A good player and nice to have, but he will not be our most important signing in this window to say the least.
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Wouldn't be pre season without fans getting carried away with a player based on one pre season game. I remember thinking Rachid Bouhenna was a world beater after seeing him play once in a friendly. I was on magic mushrooms at the time though.
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Wouldn't be pre season without fans getting carried away with a player based on one pre season game. I remember thinking Rachid Bouhenna was a world beater after seeing him play once in a friendly. I was on magic mushrooms at the time though.
To be fair, there's a bigger chance Bouhenna was a drug-induced hallucination than a player though.
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Richard Naylor kicked Bouhenna up in the air - further than the ball, in fact - in a friendly and crocked the poor lad for good.
Also proved that Naylor's legs had well and truly deserted him.
Mind you, he was about 56 at the time.
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Bouheenna is now playing in the Romanian top tier with cluj
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Bouheenna is now playing in the Romanian top tier with cluj
That’s a great spot. I see that CFR Cluj are through to the Third Qualifying Round for the Champions League, where they play Young Boys next Tuesday in the first leg. So far he has played in both their previous qualifying round games. If they are successful against Young Boys, they are in the play off round. Win that and we see our man Rachid in the Group Stages.
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There's a lad called Jacob that was training today. Trialist. I know nothing but that sadly!
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There's a lad called Jacob that was training today. Trialist. I know nothing but that sadly!
Gardiner-Smith perhaps.
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Butterfield?
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Yeah, Mellis and Butterfield are free agents.
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There's a lad called Jacob that was training today. Trialist. I know nothing but that sadly!
Gardiner-Smith perhaps.
Bit of trivia on him.
His father is Barry Gardener Labour MP for Brent North constituency.
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Yeah, Mellis and Butterfield are free agents.
No thanks not convinced they are what we need as think they are probably both well past their best days.
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There's a lad called Jacob that was training today. Trialist. I know nothing but that sadly!
Gardiner-Smith perhaps.
Bit of trivia on him.
His father is Barry Gardener Labour MP for Brent North constituency.
Don't think it'll be him, he's not had a club for over a year.
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Butterfield would be easy to recognise. Long hair and big beard now. Been playing for Melbourne Victory, he was poor.
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Madger Gomes is on trial at Charlton
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There's a lad called Jacob that was training today. Trialist. I know nothing but that sadly!
Did he have a kit of many colours on? :)
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Madger Gomes is on trial at Charlton
Will surely find him guilty.
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Madger Gomes is on trial at Charlton
Will surely find him guilty.
Trial by ducking stool
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There's a lad called Jacob that was training today. Trialist. I know nothing but that sadly!
Did he have a kit of many colours on? :)
Any dream will do. :P
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Butterfield would be easy to recognise. Long hair and big beard now. Been playing for Melbourne Victory, he was poor.
I didn't get anything other than a name. I don't want to get anyone into bother, but I was merely told there's a lad turned up today training called Jacob. I got nothing else.
If it is Butterfield, I think we'd be doing well. He's played 300 games at Championship level according to soccerbase, only just gone 31 and is a Yorkshire lad. Not sure where others' expectation levels are at, but he's the sort of centre mid I'd be begging to have at Rovers. Only a few years ago he was a £5,000,000 signing and scoring goals with Derby in the playoffs. We're Rovers in L1 with about three centre mids. :silly:
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There's a lad called Jacob that was training today. Trialist. I know nothing but that sadly!
Did he have a kit of many colours on? :)
Any dream will do. :P
Think your getting mixed up lads :lol:
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Gomez was on trial at Pompey and told they didn’t want him
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Madger Gomes is on trial at Charlton
Been offered a year at Shrewsbury.
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There's a lad called Jacob that was training today. Trialist. I know nothing but that sadly!
Gardiner-Smith perhaps.
Bit of trivia on him.
His father is Barry Gardener Labour MP for Brent North constituency.
Don't think it'll be him, he's not had a club for over a year.
same as Barlow been out a year
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Bouheenna is now playing in the Romanian top tier with cluj
That’s a great spot. I see that CFR Cluj are through to the Third Qualifying Round for the Champions League, where they play Young Boys next Tuesday in the first leg. So far he has played in both their previous qualifying round games. If they are successful against Young Boys, they are in the play off round. Win that and we see our man Rachid in the Group Stages.
Cluj went one up in the first five mins, but conceded a 93rd minute equaliser. Away goals don’t count ‘extra’ any more but they will be annoyed at that late slip. Bouhenna played the full 90mins.
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One of the triallist set to receive a deal, cant say that isn't a disappointment, you would think it would be Reed, Harrison and Gardner at a minimum, I also have a feeling it will be Gardner who will get the deal and not Reed as everyone seems to think
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One of the triallist set to receive a deal, cant say that isn't a disappointment, you would think it would be Reed, Harrison and Gardner at a minimum, I also have a feeling it will be Gardner who will get the deal and not Reed as everyone seems to think
Agreed. Guessing Williams has turned down the loan move meaning we can't offer any more deals out and the board won't provide any more money to make it happen
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Swindon have signed Louis Reed on a permanent deal.
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I don’t think Richie was ever truly convinced with him
Good luck to the lad
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Plenty were getting very worked up about him, but he didn’t seem the right fit for what we need.
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Need a more physical player
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All the Trialist have left the club now including Harrison who’s been offered a contract elsewhere.
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In brief:
Trialists
EMYR HUWS
27-year-old Wales international midfielder who is a free agent after leaving Ipswich Town.
At his best, Huws is an exciting box-to-box midfielder with powerful drives through the middle of the park with a brilliant engine. But injuries have blighted an incredibly promising career, leaving him at a crossroads this summer.
OWEN BAILEY
Another player who has suffered injury setbacks in recent years, Bailey left Newcastle United at the end of last season.
The centre back, who can also play in midfield, was a promising member of the Magpies’ U23s set up - and skippered the side - which saw him included in the senior squad for a pre-season tour in China.
The 22-year-old left St James’ Park without making a senior competitive appearance, having been one of the leading figures to emerge from the club’s academy in recent years.
CHARLIE COLKETT
The 24-year-old midfielder is without a club after leaving Swedish side Östersunds.
An Academy product at Chelsea, Colkett won the FA Youth Cup and UEFA Youth League while at Stamford Bridge.
Colkett - who represented England to U20 level - had loan spells with Bristol Rovers, Vitesse, Shrewsbury Town and Swindon Town. His time at the County Ground was not during the managerial tenure of Richie Wellens
He failed to make a senior appearance for Chelsea before moving to Sweden where he made 52 appearances across two campaigns for Östersunds.
AIDAN BARLOW
The 21-year-old midfielder has been without a club since leaving Manchester United last summer.
Barlow joined Manchester United at the age of six and was a regular for the club’s U18s and U23s in recent years.
He had a loan spell in Norway with Tromsø in the latter part of 2019.
A versatile player, Barlow is more attack minded as a midfielder and can operate anywhere across the middle of the park.
Emyr Huws has finally found a club. Joined Colchester United in League Two on a deal until end of this season.
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Along with the other 7 ex Ipswich players
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Colkett going to Cheltenham