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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: BillyStubbsTears on July 15, 2021, 12:24:48 am
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You know when I say the Tory party is determined to whip up the Culture War issue because it's their best chance of securing support?
And it sounds like I'm ranting?
Here's one of their senior back benchers.
https://mobile.twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1414717570859610112
"Make no mistake: this culture war is the issue of our age. It is the struggle of our generation. Nothing matters more. This is our battle of Britain."
Nothing matters more.
Climate change? Nah, stupid!
The societal shock coming from AI? Pfft.
The huge wealth inequality that has developed over the last 40 years? Gimme a break!
Nothing matters more than Culture War for this gem.
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I mean, we're all gonna be dead from COVID soon ain't we?
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As the seagulls follow each other .................
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You're on the wrong forum Skippy....
https://www.northstandchat.com/forumdisplay.php?20-The-Big-Board
Bye!
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As seagulls fight over a chip
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As seagulls fight over a chip
Well, you've got me there Skippy, I can't compete with class lefty responses like that! I'm sure Billy will be thrilled with your reply!
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then you should read more of the Bentley Bulletin
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news
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f**king hell Skippy, even your boss isn't hanging around after that response!
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Skippy, why do you try to suck up so much to your leader as to try to answer questions that he can't even answer himself?
Just a little free snippet of advice there for you!
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All I need to know about you and your little troupe is the combined comments you made in support of our lads against racism bb
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As seagulls fight over a chip
Well, you've got me there Skippy, I can't compete with class lefty responses like that! I'm sure Billy will be thrilled with your reply!
It’s just his way of adding to the debate BB.
I also get the feeling that he is suggesting that some non left wing posters on here are racist.
All I need to know about you and your little troupe is the combined comments you made in support of our lads against racism bb
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Still talking b*llocks I see. I mean, we're all gonna be dead from COVID soon ain't we?
As seagulls fight over a chip
Well, you've got me there Skippy, I can't compete with class lefty responses like that! I'm sure Billy will be thrilled with your reply!
It’s just his way of adding to the debate BB.
I also get the feeling that he is suggesting that some non left wing posters on here are racist.
All I need to know about you and your little troupe is the combined comments you made in support of our lads against racism bb
dogs and fleas aye hound, should have read the whole thread first
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What the f**k has happened to this forum?
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What the f**k has happened to this forum?
It's been taken over by a left wing mafia and anyone with any views to the right of Che Guevara is a wacist, fascist or worse.
All debate has been stifled unless you tow the line they want you banned. Free speech at it's best.
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Doesn't help when the first response to a post point out a fact is one accusing me of "talking b*llocks again" but there you go. Left wing mafia.
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Doesn't help when the first response to a post point out a fact is one accusing me of "talking b*llocks again" but there you go. Left wing mafia.
Yes, left wing mafia, like on the Tyrone Mings thread where everyone ganged up on me because my views are common sense rather student common room politics.
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Doesn't help when the first response to a post point out a fact is one accusing me of "talking b*llocks again" but there you go. Left wing mafia.
I suggested it was b*llocks because culture wars are caused by people who don't accept other peoples opinions and will even go to such extremes as supporting the invalidation of the result of a democratic vote if it goes against their views.
Oh, and climate change won't be an issue because we're all gonna be dead from COVID soon ain't we?
It just seems like b*llocks coming from you.
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Doesn't help when the first response to a post point out a fact is one accusing me of "talking b*llocks again" but there you go. Left wing mafia.
Yes, left wing mafia, like on the Tyrone Mings thread where everyone ganged up on me because my views are common sense rather student common room politics.
I don't think the antagonistic conspiracy theory you put forward there was common sense.
The response it got wasn't lefties ganging up on you. It was a shocking statement that repulsed most people.
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Doesn't help when the first response to a post point out a fact is one accusing me of "talking b*llocks again" but there you go. Left wing mafia.
Yes, left wing mafia, like on the Tyrone Mings thread where everyone ganged up on me because my views are common sense rather student common room politics.
I don't think the antagonistic conspiracy theory you put forward there was common sense.
The response it got wasn't lefties ganging up on you. It was a shocking statement that repulsed most people.
It wasn't a shocking statement. It was a point of view and i know a lot of people who believe it may be true, especially as we all know the way the FA think and act nowadays. There was nothing racist in the view i put forward.
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Doesn't help when the first response to a post point out a fact is one accusing me of "talking b*llocks again" but there you go. Left wing mafia.
Yes, left wing mafia, like on the Tyrone Mings thread where everyone ganged up on me because my views are common sense rather student common room politics.
I don't think the antagonistic conspiracy theory you put forward there was common sense.
The response it got wasn't lefties ganging up on you. It was a shocking statement that repulsed most people.
It wasn't a shocking statement. It was a point of view and i know a lot of people who believe it may be true, especially as we all know the way the FA think and act nowadays. There was nothing racist in the view i put forward.
That you don't see it as a shocking statement, when most clearly do should tell you something.
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What the f**k has happened to this forum?
BB's shown up again and immediately started by ignoring the thread topic and instead abusing and provoking other forum users.
I don't know if you've noticed but it's been quite pleasant on here and there's been some decent discussions between people with different opinions since the last time he did exactly the same thing.
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What the f**k has happened to this forum?
It's been taken over by a left wing mafia and anyone with any views to the right of Che Guevara is a wacist, fascist or worse.
All debate has been stifled unless you tow the line they want you banned. Free speech at it's best.
Hmmm.... erm, no, don't think it's that.
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What the f**k has happened to this forum?
It's been taken over by a left wing mafia and anyone with any views to the right of Che Guevara is a wacist, fascist or worse.
All debate has been stifled unless you tow the line they want you banned. Free speech at it's best.
Hmmm.... erm, no, don't think it's that.
I think it is.
Ever since Brexit they've been crying and whinging like spoilt little brats who don't get their own way. Get a life.
It must be really depressing living in the land of wokism where there is no humour and nothing to laugh at because they are in constant fear of causing offence and upsetting someone or other.
News flash: LIFE ISN'T FAIR.
Deal with it.
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Feel you're not getting free speech?
News flash: LIFE ISN'T FAIR.
Deal with it. :silly:
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What the f**k has happened to this forum?
BB's shown up again and immediately started by ignoring the thread topic and instead abusing and provoking other forum users.
It's been quite pleasant on here since the last time he did exactly the same thing.
Coming from you, that is probably the most mirror-like description of one's self that has been brazenly used to describe another in the history of this forum.
Unless you were joking of course, in which case it is hilarious.
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I see Saint Marcus and his mate have just taken off on a private jet on a holiday laughing their heads off. They didn't look too upset to me. Maybe he should have spent the money on some school dinners rather demanding the hard working tax payer is bled dry.
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What the f**k has happened to this forum?
It's been taken over by a left wing mafia and anyone with any views to the right of Che Guevara is a wacist, fascist or worse.
All debate has been stifled unless you tow the line they want you banned. Free speech at it's best.
Hmmm.... erm, no, don't think it's that.
I think it is.
Ever since Brexit they've been crying and whinging like spoilt little brats who don't get their own way. Get a life.
It must be really depressing living in the land of wokism where there is no humour and nothing to laugh at because they are in constant fear of causing offence and upsetting someone or other.
News flash: LIFE ISN'T FAIR.
Deal with it.
I think it's become a place where folk can't see past the username posting and are so entrenched in their weird internet hatred for others, that they would rather spit bile and start arguments than actually discuss the topic. It's really tiresome and unreadable for people who would actually like to read and post in a reasonable and open-minded or light-hearted manner, rather than see it as split up into different "sides".
Think I'll just stop bothering with the site at all as every thread is now being de-railed by this crap.
I see Saint Marcus and his mate have just taken off on a private jet on a holiday laughing their heads off. They didn't look too upset to me. Maybe he should have spent the money on some school dinners rather demanding the hard working tax payer is bled dry.
As you said, life isn't fair.
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Doesn't help when the first response to a post point out a fact is one accusing me of "talking b*llocks again" but there you go. Left wing mafia.
Yes, left wing mafia, like on the Tyrone Mings thread where everyone ganged up on me because my views are common sense rather student common room politics.
Awww, didums.
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pib, do you think this forum would be better if it was left to the handful of lefties to spit their one-sided, hideously unbalanced, obsessive, people with opposing views despising, government hating venom without any opposition de-railing their agenda?
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Doesn't help when the first response to a post point out a fact is one accusing me of "talking b*llocks again" but there you go. Left wing mafia.
Yes, left wing mafia, like on the Tyrone Mings thread where everyone ganged up on me because my views are common sense rather student common room politics.
Awww, didums.
I don't give a shit mate. I'm just making the point of how the leftist mafia have taken over and shout down any other point of view. It must be such a shame for them that they are in the minority.
What is it now three general elections and a referendum? The majority of the real England are more in tune with my thinking.
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pib, do you think this forum would be better if it was left to the handful of lefties to spit their one-sided, hideously unbalanced, obsessive, people with opposing views despising, government hating venom without any opposition de-railing their agenda?
I think posts such as this are a massive part of the issue.
I'll leave you to it, because it's clearly not going to change.
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Pib. I’m afraid ‘light hearted’ is a thing of the very distant past. Light hearted threads usually fizzle out to nothing because too many only want to talk about what Kitsons Johnson et al are. Light hearted posts within other threads are almost always met with either accusations of personal attacks, or being childish.
I know this because I’m really funny, yet get no credit from the Tory haters. One of them thinks I’m so unfunny, he’s pretended to block me!
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pib, do you think this forum would be better if it was left to the handful of lefties to spit their one-sided, hideously unbalanced, obsessive, people with opposing views despising, government hating venom without any opposition de-railing their agenda?
I think posts such as this are a massive part of the issue.
I'll leave you to it, because it's clearly not going to change.
So lefty accusations such as the 'gammon' generation pulling up the wealth ladder or the constant use of the race card over the last six years isn't a massive part of the issue?
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Doesn't help when the first response to a post point out a fact is one accusing me of "talking b*llocks again" but there you go. Left wing mafia.
Yes, left wing mafia, like on the Tyrone Mings thread where everyone ganged up on me because my views are common sense rather student common room politics.
I don't think the antagonistic conspiracy theory you put forward there was common sense.
The response it got wasn't lefties ganging up on you. It was a shocking statement that repulsed most people.
It wasn't a shocking statement. It was a point of view and i know a lot of people who believe it may be true, especially as we all know the way the FA think and act nowadays. There was nothing racist in the view i put forward.
Would these people you know who think the same be other Millwall fans, don't forget you don't do friends.
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Dear me, if you think that criticising Boris makes you a lefty leaning loony or whatever then you haven't been reading the same articles as me.
You don't have to be far left to disagree with the government.
How many Tory MPs voted against the government this week.
Decrying everything makes you no better than the so called lefties that you are criticising.
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idler, are you referring to me?
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I am referring to everybody that thinks Boris is a fit person to represent my country BB. Irrespective of the party that he represents if he is the best that we can come up with then I truly despair. Never mind Labour having nobody better, what does it say about the Tory party?
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Dear me, if you think that criticising Boris makes you a lefty leaning loony or whatever then you haven't been reading the same articles as me.
You don't have to be far left to disagree with the government.
How many Tory MPs voted against the government this week.
Decrying everything makes you no better than the so called lefties that you are criticising.
Not all Boris critics are lefty leaning loonies, but all lefty leaning loonies are Boris critics.
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Guto Harri, a GB News presenter has been cancelled by right wing snowflakes. They've put out an apology for him taking a knee. :laugh:
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I am referring to everybody that thinks Boris is a fit person to represent my country BB. Irrespective of the party that he represents if he is the best that we can come up with then I truly despair. Never mind Labour having nobody better, what does it say about the Tory party?
As a complete political neutral, Idler, I can tell you exactly the reason why. The British public voted him in with an enormous 80 seat majority.
It's democracy, mate, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
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Guto Harri, a GB News presenter has been cancelled by right wing snowflakes. They've put out an apology for him taking a knee. :laugh:
This is the GB News Editorial Charter:
We stand for:
The independence of our journalism.
Putting facts first.
Respect for opinions and those expressing them.
The right of every individual to form and share their views.
Holding our leaders, our society and ourselves accountable.
Bringing clarity to complex and contentious issues.
Celebrating the potential and achievements of the individual and communities in
shaping their and our nation’s future.
Being one team, innovating side by side to bring the best out in each other.
Spot the BS. ;)
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I see Saint Marcus and his mate have just taken off on a private jet on a holiday laughing their heads off. They didn't look too upset to me. Maybe he should have spent the money on some school dinners rather demanding the hard working tax payer is bled dry.
You don’t half talk some shite
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This is pertinent.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2021/jul/15/boris-johnson-priti-patel-must-learn-when-politicians-play-fire-others-get-burned-england-euro-2020
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I am referring to everybody that thinks Boris is a fit person to represent my country BB. Irrespective of the party that he represents if he is the best that we can come up with then I truly despair. Never mind Labour having nobody better, what does it say about the Tory party?
As a complete political neutral, Idler, I can tell you exactly the reason why. The British public voted him in with an enormous 80 seat majority.
It's democracy, mate, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
I understand democracy but still find it hard that he is deemed the best leader to represent this country.
He doesn't even come anywhere near looking the part.
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I am referring to everybody that thinks Boris is a fit person to represent my country BB. Irrespective of the party that he represents if he is the best that we can come up with then I truly despair. Never mind Labour having nobody better, what does it say about the Tory party?
As a complete political neutral, Idler, I can tell you exactly the reason why. The British public voted him in with an enormous 80 seat majority.
It's democracy, mate, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
I understand democracy but still find it hard that he is deemed the best leader to represent this country.
He doesn't even come anywhere near looking the part.
Remember what he was up against at the time
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I fully understand that and never liked Corbin but to end up with this man in charge isn’t going to get this country on it’s feet any time soon.
If we had a poll of who was the best leader, Hitler or Stalin the winner wouldn’t suddenly become great. At best it would be the lesser of two evils
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This is pertinent.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2021/jul/15/boris-johnson-priti-patel-must-learn-when-politicians-play-fire-others-get-burned-england-euro-2020
this dispels any doubt the tories are a far right looney party, having a paid position within the party to foment racial hate.
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Guto Harri, a GB News presenter has been cancelled by right wing snowflakes. They've put out an apology for him taking a knee. :laugh:
This is the GB News Editorial Charter:
We stand for:
The independence of our journalism.
Putting facts first.
Respect for opinions and those expressing them.
The right of every individual to form and share their views.
Holding our leaders, our society and ourselves accountable.
Bringing clarity to complex and contentious issues.
Celebrating the potential and achievements of the individual and communities in
shaping their and our nation’s future.
Being one team, innovating side by side to bring the best out in each other.
Spot the BS. ;)
Now he's been suspended. GB News - The channel of free speech (when it aligns with our far right views).
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We have just gone through ( and not finished yet ) the biggest peace time crisis that the country and the world has faced. ( apart from Climate change ) which should have been dealt with 30 years ago.
So back to the point. If both the major parties would behave like sensible human beings ( impossible it would seem ) instead of slagging each other off and trying to score political points off each other then maybe we would all be in a better place and have some ( maybe a small amount) of respect for politicians.
Starmers support is dwindling not increasing because he has made himself look a complete hypocritical prat during this pandemic.
Good grief if he cannot gain support when up against Boris Johnson then when will he.
What we need is for the country to come together at this critical time for the good of its citizens.
Just seen 3 pigs fly overhead. Can we have some sensible middle ground politics in this country please.
Just seen 3 more pigs fly overhead.
Cannot wait for the next Cricket match on Thursday at Scarborough V Surrey and Rovers v Newcastle Fri eve.
Politics it is no wonder so many people are turned off by it. Sad very sad
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We have just gone through ( and not finished yet ) the biggest peace time crisis that the country and the world has faced. ( apart from Climate change ) which should have been dealt with 30 years ago.
So back to the point. If both the major parties would behave like sensible human beings ( impossible it would seem ) instead of slagging each other off and trying to score political points off each other then maybe we would all be in a better place and have some ( maybe a small amount) of respect for politicians.
Starmers support is dwindling not increasing because he has made himself look a complete hypocritical prat during this pandemic.
Good grief if he cannot gain support when up against Boris Johnson then when will he.
What we need is for the country to come together at this critical time for the good of its citizens.
Just seen 3 pigs fly overhead. Can we have some sensible middle ground politics in this country please.
Just seen 3 more pigs fly overhead.
Cannot wait for the next Cricket match on Thursday at Scarborough V Surrey and Rovers v Newcastle Fri eve.
Politics it is no wonder so many people are turned off by it. Sad very sad
So come together and support and support the tories?
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We have just gone through ( and not finished yet ) the biggest peace time crisis that the country and the world has faced. ( apart from Climate change ) which should have been dealt with 30 years ago.
So back to the point. If both the major parties would behave like sensible human beings ( impossible it would seem ) instead of slagging each other off and trying to score political points off each other then maybe we would all be in a better place and have some ( maybe a small amount) of respect for politicians.
Starmers support is dwindling not increasing because he has made himself look a complete hypocritical prat during this pandemic.
Good grief if he cannot gain support when up against Boris Johnson then when will he.
What we need is for the country to come together at this critical time for the good of its citizens.
Just seen 3 pigs fly overhead. Can we have some sensible middle ground politics in this country please.
Just seen 3 more pigs fly overhead.
Cannot wait for the next Cricket match on Thursday at Scarborough V Surrey and Rovers v Newcastle Fri eve.
Politics it is no wonder so many people are turned off by it. Sad very sad
So come together and support and support the tories?
Sydney that comment just sums up the lefties.
Very constructive that is.
Did you not understand a word I was saying?
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Of course I did, but a lot of what you say is to support your team. when they are proven imbeciles and corrupt liars, and yet you want others to come together and support them, it doesn't quite work like that. You get your team in order first and I may think about it.
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Of course I did, but a lot of what you say is to support your team. when they are proven imbeciles and corrupt liars, and yet you want others to come together and support them, it doesn't quite work like that. You get your team in order first and I may think about it.
And the Labour Party are whiter than white.
As for my team. The two major parties are not my team thanks.
My teams just for clarification are DRFC, Yorks CCC & Featherstone Rovers. Oh and any team representing England or GB
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We have just gone through ( and not finished yet ) the biggest peace time crisis that the country and the world has faced. ( apart from Climate change ) which should have been dealt with 30 years ago.
So back to the point. If both the major parties would behave like sensible human beings ( impossible it would seem ) instead of slagging each other off and trying to score political points off each other then maybe we would all be in a better place and have some ( maybe a small amount) of respect for politicians.
Starmers support is dwindling not increasing because he has made himself look a complete hypocritical prat during this pandemic.
Good grief if he cannot gain support when up against Boris Johnson then when will he.
What we need is for the country to come together at this critical time for the good of its citizens.
Just seen 3 pigs fly overhead. Can we have some sensible middle ground politics in this country please.
Just seen 3 more pigs fly overhead.
Cannot wait for the next Cricket match on Thursday at Scarborough V Surrey and Rovers v Newcastle Fri eve.
Politics it is no wonder so many people are turned off by it. Sad very sad
THis "they are all as bad as each other" idea.
Look at this morning.
Govt: "Johnson and Sunak have both been close contacts of a COVID case but they won't be self isolating.
Literally EVERY opposition MP: "What the actual f**k! Get self isolated."
Govt: "Johnson and Sunak will be self-isolating."
Large proportion of the population: "All politicians are as bad as each other."
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Of course I did, but a lot of what you say is to support your team. when they are proven imbeciles and corrupt liars, and yet you want others to come together and support them, it doesn't quite work like that. You get your team in order first and I may think about it.
And the Labour Party are whiter than white.
As for my team. The two major parties are not my team thanks.
My teams just for clarification are DRFC, Yorks CCC & Featherstone Rovers. Oh and any team representing England or GB
I'm not sure this debate is going to go anywhere Campsall as your attempts at reconciliation always appear to be directed at those that don't support conservatives.
labour have not been in power for over 10 years and the economy is a wreck, the response to covid has been infantile at best and on top of that getting brexit done is nowhere near being done. Tell me I'm wrong.
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Of course I did, but a lot of what you say is to support your team. when they are proven imbeciles and corrupt liars, and yet you want others to come together and support them, it doesn't quite work like that. You get your team in order first and I may think about it.
The proven imbeciles and corrupt liars won a landslide in the last General Election.
What does that say about the Labour Party?
Do you think the British electorate are all completely off their rockers?
The Labour Party need to do some very inward looking and sort themselves out.
We need a strong Labour Party. We always need a strong opposition. That’s what democracy is about.
The current Labour party are still making the same mistakes and would still lose a General Election tomorrow by a considerable margin.
What does that say about the Labour Party Sydney given they up against imbeciles and corrupt liars?
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I thought you just said that neither were your team Campsall, that didn't last long did it?
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Of course I did, but a lot of what you say is to support your team. when they are proven imbeciles and corrupt liars, and yet you want others to come together and support them, it doesn't quite work like that. You get your team in order first and I may think about it.
And the Labour Party are whiter than white.
As for my team. The two major parties are not my team thanks.
My teams just for clarification are DRFC, Yorks CCC & Featherstone Rovers. Oh and any team representing England or GB
I'm not sure this debate is going to go anywhere Campsall as your attempts at reconciliation always appear to be directed at those that don't support conservatives.
labour have not been in power for over 10 years and the economy is a wreck, the response to covid has been infantile at best and on top of that getting brexit done is nowhere near being done. Tell me I'm wrong.
Think this debate is not going places Sydney because you know the Labour Party are a shambles of an opposition and are in deep shit.
This Tory government have had a desperate job to do in the last 16/17 months and at times have made a pigs ear of a job I agree.
Many mistakes have been made. Hindsight eh. Lots of hypocrisy going on. Mixed messages etc etc.
But you know of course the Labour Party would never have got anything wrong. They would have had this pandemic sorted in 6 months max. We would have had a vaccine by lat July at latest.
Sorry your in some sort of fantasy world out their in Aussie if you think the opposition party would have done a better job.
No this debate is going nowhere because it’s GB 3 Sydney 0 :) ;) :) ;) :) ;) Just joking OK.
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I thought you just said that neither were your team Campsall, that didn't last long did it?
What are you on about. Where just once have i said i am a Tory or even implied i am one.
Take your blinkers off please. Unbelievable Jeff.
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Of course I did, but a lot of what you say is to support your team. when they are proven imbeciles and corrupt liars, and yet you want others to come together and support them, it doesn't quite work like that. You get your team in order first and I may think about it.
And the Labour Party are whiter than white.
As for my team. The two major parties are not my team thanks.
My teams just for clarification are DRFC, Yorks CCC & Featherstone Rovers. Oh and any team representing England or GB
I'm not sure this debate is going to go anywhere Campsall as your attempts at reconciliation always appear to be directed at those that don't support conservatives.
labour have not been in power for over 10 years and the economy is a wreck, the response to covid has been infantile at best and on top of that getting brexit done is nowhere near being done. Tell me I'm wrong.
Think this debate is not going places Sydney because you know the Labour Party are a shambles of an opposition and are in deep shit.
This Tory government have had a desperate job to do in the last 16/17 months and at times have made a pigs ear of a job I agree.
Many mistakes have been made. Hindsight eh. Lots of hypocrisy going on. Mixed messages etc etc.
But you know of course the Labour Party would never have got anything wrong. They would have had this pandemic sorted in 6 months max. We would have had a vaccine by lat July at latest.
Sorry your in some sort of fantasy world out their in Aussie if you think the opposition party would have done a better job.
No this debate is going nowhere because it’s GB 3 Sydney 0 :) ;) :) ;) :) ;) Just joking OK.
Don't answer the questions but don't expect to be taken seriously.
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Of course I did, but a lot of what you say is to support your team. when they are proven imbeciles and corrupt liars, and yet you want others to come together and support them, it doesn't quite work like that. You get your team in order first and I may think about it.
And the Labour Party are whiter than white.
As for my team. The two major parties are not my team thanks.
My teams just for clarification are DRFC, Yorks CCC & Featherstone Rovers. Oh and any team representing England or GB
I'm not sure this debate is going to go anywhere Campsall as your attempts at reconciliation always appear to be directed at those that don't support conservatives.
labour have not been in power for over 10 years and the economy is a wreck, the response to covid has been infantile at best and on top of that getting brexit done is nowhere near being done. Tell me I'm wrong.
Think this debate is not going places Sydney because you know the Labour Party are a shambles of an opposition and are in deep shit.
This Tory government have had a desperate job to do in the last 16/17 months and at times have made a pigs ear of a job I agree.
Many mistakes have been made. Hindsight eh. Lots of hypocrisy going on. Mixed messages etc etc.
But you know of course the Labour Party would never have got anything wrong. They would have had this pandemic sorted in 6 months max. We would have had a vaccine by lat July at latest.
Sorry your in some sort of fantasy world out their in Aussie if you think the opposition party would have done a better job.
No this debate is going nowhere because it’s GB 3 Sydney 0 :) ;) :) ;) :) ;) Just joking OK.
Don't answer the questions but don't expect to be taken seriously.
Oh dear Sydney which question is that please? I can’t be any more clear surely. I am neutral politically.
My eyes are wide open to the evils of the far right and the far left. Which neither of our 2 parties are thank goodness. But both are far from sensible middle road politics.
Right I think I have said my piece ok. GB 5 Sydney 0 ;)
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Camps. The last few posts clearly define how difficult it can be to post anything that isn’t liked by the more extreme left wing forum members.
No doubt two or three will be at me now.
Like busses, they will all come along together.
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Camps. The last few posts clearly define how difficult it can be to post anything that isn%u2019t liked by the more extreme left wing forum members.
No doubt two or three will be at me now.
Like busses, they will all come along together.
The thing is i am neither blue nor red and still Sydney is acting like i am defending the Tory party to the hilt.
He just cannot see that the British public will not vote for Kier Starmer until he comes up with some clear vision for Britain which will appeal to the wider public.
All he does is attack everything the Tory government does even after saying he will support the Government through this Covid 19 pandemic.
What Sydney cannot see ( let us face it he is 11,000 miles away ) is the hypocrisy of the Labour leader and that the British public are not stupid. They can see what is being said and will vote accordingly.
If he cannot win public support when the Prime Minister is quite frankly an eccentric buffoon at times ( Quite a likeable one I might add) yes he means well his heart is in the right place and he genuinely wants to build a better Britain but unfortunately he makes far too many blunders to ever achieve what he has set out to achieve.
I am banging my head against a brick wall hound. The blinkers are on and these hard core socialists cannot see what is in front of them or maybe they do not want to see.
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Canpsall.
Starmer clearly irks you. Which of these blunders do you think are the worst?
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Canpsall.
Starmer clearly irks you. Which of these blunders do you think are the worst?
No Starmer clearly irks many Traditional Labour voters. Talk to them BST. Seriously he will not win any popularity contests right now.
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So. These blunders?
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Of course I did, but a lot of what you say is to support your team. when they are proven imbeciles and corrupt liars, and yet you want others to come together and support them, it doesn't quite work like that. You get your team in order first and I may think about it.
And the Labour Party are whiter than white.
As for my team. The two major parties are not my team thanks.
My teams just for clarification are DRFC, Yorks CCC & Featherstone Rovers. Oh and any team representing England or GB
I'm not sure this debate is going to go anywhere Campsall as your attempts at reconciliation always appear to be directed at those that don't support conservatives.
labour have not been in power for over 10 years and the economy is a wreck, the response to covid has been infantile at best and on top of that getting brexit done is nowhere near being done. Tell me I'm wrong.
The questions I posed here would be a good place to start, the three biggest topics this government has faced for the 10 years plus it has been in government and has failed them all.
The economy weaker that it should have been due to Austerity
Brexit just about the worst deal possible
Covid death and destruction
Any time you have a spare moment Campsall. (you can phone a duck for help)
Added: (please don't use this to avoid answering the questions above)
On comment 48 you appeared to want to claim some sort of neutrality and have us all sing kumbaya where we support the government and you take umbrage at the suggestion that you're not, to show faith when you have answered the questions above pop a few links to show posts where you support labour in any way.
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So. These blunders?
What blunders BST.
The word was never mentioned by me.
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If he (Starmer) cannot win public support when the Prime Minister is quite frankly an eccentric buffoon at times ( Quite a likeable one I might add) yes he means well his heart is in the right place and he genuinely wants to build a better Britain but unfortunately he makes far too many blunders to ever achieve what he has set out to achieve.
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Of course I did, but a lot of what you say is to support your team. when they are proven imbeciles and corrupt liars, and yet you want others to come together and support them, it doesn't quite work like that. You get your team in order first and I may think about it.
The proven imbeciles and corrupt liars won a landslide in the last General Election.
What does that say about the Labour Party?
Do you think the British electorate are all completely off their rockers?
The Labour Party need to do some very inward looking and sort themselves out.
We need a strong Labour Party. We always need a strong opposition. That’s what democracy is about.
The current Labour party are still making the same mistakes and would still lose a General Election tomorrow by a considerable margin.
What does that say about the Labour Party Sydney given they up against imbeciles and corrupt liars?
Welcome to the party Campsall as I know your not a regular visitor to this section of the board .
Clearly you see the fault lines that exist within the Labour Party and yet your view is trashed by the usual incumbents which isn't unsurprising .
It's impossible to compromise with these people that much I do know personally .
Just let them get on with it mate .
The chips fall where they fall .
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Of course I did, but a lot of what you say is to support your team. when they are proven imbeciles and corrupt liars, and yet you want others to come together and support them, it doesn't quite work like that. You get your team in order first and I may think about it.
And the Labour Party are whiter than white.
As for my team. The two major parties are not my team thanks.
My teams just for clarification are DRFC, Yorks CCC & Featherstone Rovers. Oh and any team representing England or GB
I'm not sure this debate is going to go anywhere Campsall as your attempts at reconciliation always appear to be directed at those that don't support conservatives.
labour have not been in power for over 10 years and the economy is a wreck, the response to covid has been infantile at best and on top of that getting brexit done is nowhere near being done. Tell me I'm wrong.
The questions I posed here would be a good place to start, the three biggest topics this government has faced for the 10 years plus it has been in government and has failed them all.
The economy weaker that it should have been due to Austrerity
Brexit just about the worst deal possible
Covid death and destruction
Any time you have a spare moment Campsall. (you can phone a duck for help)
So Covid was the Tory governments fault. Brilliant.
The government has had to borrow billions to help its people financially through this pandemic.
Should they not have bothered then. Just let everyone starve, loose their homes and jobs.
Yes austerity was taken too far agreed. I have already said that.
I don’t think the Cameron government did a good job for the country. They speeded the life out of the economy imo.
But the Gordon Brown government had made a terrible mess of their time in power and that mess had to be cleaned up or we were on a slippery path.
Brexit as I have already stated was not what I voted for.
In the long term it may turn out to be very beneficial for the UK but it will be 5/10 years before we see the benefits imo.
So you see i am not a Tory. I vote for the party which i consider will do the least damage to this country.
The Labour Party are not and haven’t been that party for a very long time.
If they had made David Milliband leader instead of his brother then who knows they may just have been the ruling party even to this day.
But no they press the self destruct button and appoint Ed instead and then Corbyn who would have been a complete disaster for this country and now Starmer who is so inept he is unable to win a popularity contest against Boris who is making blunder after blunder.
Open your eyes. Look at where the Labour Party is right now and stop pretending they know how to run this country. They have no more idea than the Tories. In fact far less. What are their policies? They have 3 different factions within the same party.
Someone tell me what the Labour Party stand for because I haven’t a clue.
What is their identity. Tens of millions are asking the same question.
We need a strong opposition it is vital for democracy in this country.
I would be delighted to see the Labour party sort themselves out and give the electorate a serious choice to make at the next GE.
As it stands the Conservatives will win again without having to try very hard.
I am saying no more on this because I have said all I need to say and if you hard core Socialists can’t get it then that’s your problem quite frankly not mine.
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So. These blunders?
You mis read my post BST
I said Boris Had made blunders. Happy now I take it. Or maybe not as the case maybe.
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My apologies for the misunderstanding Campsall. Your sentence started off talking about Starmer. I assumed he was the one you were talking about after the divergence of mentioing what he was up against..
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My apologies for the misunderstanding Campsall. Your sentence started off talking about Starmer. I assumed he was the one you were talking about after the divergence of mentioing what he was up against..
Apology accepted.
Can I ask you BST do you agree with anything i have said.
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Of course I did, but a lot of what you say is to support your team. when they are proven imbeciles and corrupt liars, and yet you want others to come together and support them, it doesn't quite work like that. You get your team in order first and I may think about it.
And the Labour Party are whiter than white.
As for my team. The two major parties are not my team thanks.
My teams just for clarification are DRFC, Yorks CCC & Featherstone Rovers. Oh and any team representing England or GB
I'm not sure this debate is going to go anywhere Campsall as your attempts at reconciliation always appear to be directed at those that don't support conservatives.
labour have not been in power for over 10 years and the economy is a wreck, the response to covid has been infantile at best and on top of that getting brexit done is nowhere near being done. Tell me I'm wrong.
The questions I posed here would be a good place to start, the three biggest topics this government has faced for the 10 years plus it has been in government and has failed them all.
The economy weaker that it should have been due to Austrerity
Brexit just about the worst deal possible
Covid death and destruction
Any time you have a spare moment Campsall. (you can phone a duck for help)
.
The government has had to borrow billions to help its people financially through this pandemic.
Should they not have bothered then. Just let everyone starve, loose their homes and jobs.
Yes austerity was taken too far agreed. I have already said that.
Austerity should never have been contemplated it was a financial dud from beginning to end that left the economy in a weaker position to tackle covid. Where is the evidence to show it was a sound fiscal policy, not just taken too far, it was tory ideology plain and simple.
I don’t think the Cameron government did a good job for the country. They speeded the life out of the economy imo.
But the Gordon Brown government had made a terrible mess of their time in power and that mess had to be cleaned up or we were on a slippery path.
Brexit as I have already stated was not what I voted for.
In the long term it may turn out to be very beneficial for the UK but it will be 5/10 years before we see the benefits imo.
Please show what you mean rather than include generalisations, where and who would benefit and when is the impossible likely to happen, impossible meaning that being taken out of the richest market on earth would deliver financial benefit.
So you see i am not a Tory. I vote for the party which i consider will do the least damage to this country.
The Labour Party are not and haven’t been that party for a very long time.
When have you voted for labour? if not a tory why is it that you only appear to ask 'lefty' supporters to take political discussions off topic?
If they had made David Milliband leader instead of his brother then who knows they may just have been the ruling party even to this day.
But no they press the self destruct button and appoint Ed instead and then Corbyn who would have been a complete disaster for this country and now Starmer who is so inept he is unable to win a popularity contest against Boris who is making blunder after blunder.
Open your eyes. Look at where the Labour Party is right now and stop pretending they know how to run this country. They have no more idea than the Tories. In fact far less. What are their policies? They have 3 different factions within the same party.
Someone tell me what the Labour Party stand for because I haven’t a clue.
What is their identity. Tens of millions are asking the same question.
We need a strong opposition it is vital for democracy in this country.
Agreed.
I would be delighted to see the Labour party sort themselves out and give the electorate a serious choice to make at the next GE.
As it stands the Conservatives will win again without having to try very hard.
I am saying no more on this because I have said all I need to say and if you hard core Socialists can’t get it then that’s your problem quite frankly not mine.
You have said in the past that the tories are not a far right wing party but a party that employs a person to stir up racial hatred with policies to deter voters getting to the polls smack of the far right would you not agree?
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Campsall
I agree that Starmer is not cutting through. absolutely. The rest, I've no idea because you don't say much beyond generalities. Regarding Brown's "terrible mess", you and I have been through that before and I still do not understand what your actual criticism is.
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Campsall
I agree that Starmer is not cutting through. absolutely. The rest, I've no idea because you don't say much beyond generalities. Regarding Brown's "terrible mess", you and I have been through that before and I still do not understand what your actual criticism is.
Brown spent a fortune. On what though. Did he help the poorest in our society? I don’t see it.
At least this government have borrowed with a clear objective. The hadn’t a choice the pandemic chose it for them.
Which party has taken the lowest paid out of taxation the most in the last 30/40 years. Personal allowances were increase far more under Conservative governments than Blair or Brown ever did.
They claim to be the party of the working class. Don’t make me laugh, what in the last 40 years both in opposition and power have they done for the working class in this country? Please tell me.
Any way the working class is now an almost redundant term as so many traditional Labour voting families are earning decent salaries in good jobs that they don’t see themselves as working class any more.
It’s a term i hate and is not relevant in our modern society imo.
Labour have lost their heartland so they better get their act together and find their new identity or the could possibly be banished to the history books. Lib Dem could take their place. Would have been laughable to say that even 4/5 years ago but it could happen if the find some seriously strong leadership.
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Of course I did, but a lot of what you say is to support your team. when they are proven imbeciles and corrupt liars, and yet you want others to come together and support them, it doesn't quite work like that. You get your team in order first and I may think about it.
And the Labour Party are whiter than white.
As for my team. The two major parties are not my team thanks.
My teams just for clarification are DRFC, Yorks CCC & Featherstone Rovers. Oh and any team representing England or GB
I'm not sure this debate is going to go anywhere Campsall as your attempts at reconciliation always appear to be directed at those that don't support conservatives.
labour have not been in power for over 10 years and the economy is a wreck, the response to covid has been infantile at best and on top of that getting brexit done is nowhere near being done. Tell me I'm wrong.
The questions I posed here would be a good place to start, the three biggest topics this government has faced for the 10 years plus it has been in government and has failed them all.
The economy weaker that it should have been due to Austrerity
Brexit just about the worst deal possible
Covid death and destruction
Any time you have a spare moment Campsall. (you can phone a duck for help)
.
The government has had to borrow billions to help its people financially through this pandemic.
Should they not have bothered then. Just let everyone starve, loose their homes and jobs.
Yes austerity was taken too far agreed. I have already said that.
Austerity should never have been contemplated it was a financial dud from beginning to end that left the economy in a weaker position to tackle covid. Where is the evidence to show it was a sound fiscal policy, not just taken too far, it was tory ideology plain and simple.
I don’t think the Cameron government did a good job for the country. They speeded the life out of the economy imo.
But the Gordon Brown government had made a terrible mess of their time in power and that mess had to be cleaned up or we were on a slippery path.
Brexit as I have already stated was not what I voted for.
In the long term it may turn out to be very beneficial for the UK but it will be 5/10 years before we see the benefits imo.
Please show what you mean rather than include generalisations, where and who would benefit and when is the impossible likely to happen, impossible meaning that being taken out of the richest market on earth would deliver financial benefit.
So you see i am not a Tory. I vote for the party which i consider will do the least damage to this country.
The Labour Party are not and haven’t been that party for a very long time.
When have you voted for labour? if not a tory why is it that you only appear to ask 'lefty' supporters to take political discussions off topic?
If they had made David Milliband leader instead of his brother then who knows they may just have been the ruling party even to this day.
But no they press the self destruct button and appoint Ed instead and then Corbyn who would have been a complete disaster for this country and now Starmer who is so inept he is unable to win a popularity contest against Boris who is making blunder after blunder.
Open your eyes. Look at where the Labour Party is right now and stop pretending they know how to run this country. They have no more idea than the Tories. In fact far less. What are their policies? They have 3 different factions within the same party.
Someone tell me what the Labour Party stand for because I haven’t a clue.
What is their identity. Tens of millions are asking the same question.
We need a strong opposition it is vital for democracy in this country.
Agreed.
I would be delighted to see the Labour party sort themselves out and give the electorate a serious choice to make at the next GE.
As it stands the Conservatives will win again without having to try very hard.
I am saying no more on this because I have said all I need to say and if you hard core Socialists can’t get it then that’s your problem quite frankly not mine.
You have said in the past that the tories are not a far right wing party but a party that employs a person to stir up racial hatred with policies to deter voters getting to the polls smack of the far right would you not agree?
Sydney what are you ranting on about. “Deter people from getting to the polls” sorry which socialist rag are you reading in Aussie to come up with that statement.
You are so anti Tory that you don’t seem to be able to distinguish fact from fiction.
Right enough is enough I am off to bed just noticed the time and I need my Beauty sleep. Now that’s fiction.
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Of course I did, but a lot of what you say is to support your team. when they are proven imbeciles and corrupt liars, and yet you want others to come together and support them, it doesn't quite work like that. You get your team in order first and I may think about it.
And the Labour Party are whiter than white.
As for my team. The two major parties are not my team thanks.
My teams just for clarification are DRFC, Yorks CCC & Featherstone Rovers. Oh and any team representing England or GB
I'm not sure this debate is going to go anywhere Campsall as your attempts at reconciliation always appear to be directed at those that don't support conservatives.
labour have not been in power for over 10 years and the economy is a wreck, the response to covid has been infantile at best and on top of that getting brexit done is nowhere near being done. Tell me I'm wrong.
The questions I posed here would be a good place to start, the three biggest topics this government has faced for the 10 years plus it has been in government and has failed them all.
The economy weaker that it should have been due to Austrerity
Brexit just about the worst deal possible
Covid death and destruction
Any time you have a spare moment Campsall. (you can phone a duck for help)
.
The government has had to borrow billions to help its people financially through this pandemic.
Should they not have bothered then. Just let everyone starve, loose their homes and jobs.
Yes austerity was taken too far agreed. I have already said that.
Austerity should never have been contemplated it was a financial dud from beginning to end that left the economy in a weaker position to tackle covid. Where is the evidence to show it was a sound fiscal policy, not just taken too far, it was tory ideology plain and simple.
I don’t think the Cameron government did a good job for the country. They speeded the life out of the economy imo.
But the Gordon Brown government had made a terrible mess of their time in power and that mess had to be cleaned up or we were on a slippery path.
Brexit as I have already stated was not what I voted for.
In the long term it may turn out to be very beneficial for the UK but it will be 5/10 years before we see the benefits imo.
Please show what you mean rather than include generalisations, where and who would benefit and when is the impossible likely to happen, impossible meaning that being taken out of the richest market on earth would deliver financial benefit.
So you see i am not a Tory. I vote for the party which i consider will do the least damage to this country.
The Labour Party are not and haven’t been that party for a very long time.
When have you voted for labour? if not a tory why is it that you only appear to ask 'lefty' supporters to take political discussions off topic?
If they had made David Milliband leader instead of his brother then who knows they may just have been the ruling party even to this day.
But no they press the self destruct button and appoint Ed instead and then Corbyn who would have been a complete disaster for this country and now Starmer who is so inept he is unable to win a popularity contest against Boris who is making blunder after blunder.
Open your eyes. Look at where the Labour Party is right now and stop pretending they know how to run this country. They have no more idea than the Tories. In fact far less. What are their policies? They have 3 different factions within the same party.
Someone tell me what the Labour Party stand for because I haven’t a clue.
What is their identity. Tens of millions are asking the same question.
We need a strong opposition it is vital for democracy in this country.
Agreed.
I would be delighted to see the Labour party sort themselves out and give the electorate a serious choice to make at the next GE.
As it stands the Conservatives will win again without having to try very hard.
I am saying no more on this because I have said all I need to say and if you hard core Socialists can’t get it then that’s your problem quite frankly not mine.
You have said in the past that the tories are not a far right wing party but a party that employs a person to stir up racial hatred with policies to deter voters getting to the polls smack of the far right would you not agree?
Sydney what are you ranting on about. “Deter people from getting to the polls” sorry which socialist rag are you reading in Aussie to come up with that statement.
You are so anti Tory that you don’t seem to be able to distinguish fact from fiction.
Right enough is enough I am off to bed just noticed the time and I need my Beauty sleep. Now that’s fiction.
If that gets you out of answering any questions have a good sleep, questions to sleep on .... have you ever A/ voted and B/ voted for labour
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Of course I did, but a lot of what you say is to support your team. when they are proven imbeciles and corrupt liars, and yet you want others to come together and support them, it doesn't quite work like that. You get your team in order first and I may think about it.
And the Labour Party are whiter than white.
As for my team. The two major parties are not my team thanks.
My teams just for clarification are DRFC, Yorks CCC & Featherstone Rovers. Oh and any team representing England or GB
I'm not sure this debate is going to go anywhere Campsall as your attempts at reconciliation always appear to be directed at those that don't support conservatives.
labour have not been in power for over 10 years and the economy is a wreck, the response to covid has been infantile at best and on top of that getting brexit done is nowhere near being done. Tell me I'm wrong.
The questions I posed here would be a good place to start, the three biggest topics this government has faced for the 10 years plus it has been in government and has failed them all.
The economy weaker that it should have been due to Austrerity
Brexit just about the worst deal possible
Covid death and destruction
Any time you have a spare moment Campsall. (you can phone a duck for help)
.
The government has had to borrow billions to help its people financially through this pandemic.
Should they not have bothered then. Just let everyone starve, loose their homes and jobs.
Yes austerity was taken too far agreed. I have already said that.
Austerity should never have been contemplated it was a financial dud from beginning to end that left the economy in a weaker position to tackle covid. Where is the evidence to show it was a sound fiscal policy, not just taken too far, it was tory ideology plain and simple.
I don’t think the Cameron government did a good job for the country. They speeded the life out of the economy imo.
But the Gordon Brown government had made a terrible mess of their time in power and that mess had to be cleaned up or we were on a slippery path.
Brexit as I have already stated was not what I voted for.
In the long term it may turn out to be very beneficial for the UK but it will be 5/10 years before we see the benefits imo.
Please show what you mean rather than include generalisations, where and who would benefit and when is the impossible likely to happen, impossible meaning that being taken out of the richest market on earth would deliver financial benefit.
So you see i am not a Tory. I vote for the party which i consider will do the least damage to this country.
The Labour Party are not and haven’t been that party for a very long time.
When have you voted for labour? if not a tory why is it that you only appear to ask 'lefty' supporters to take political discussions off topic?
If they had made David Milliband leader instead of his brother then who knows they may just have been the ruling party even to this day.
But no they press the self destruct button and appoint Ed instead and then Corbyn who would have been a complete disaster for this country and now Starmer who is so inept he is unable to win a popularity contest against Boris who is making blunder after blunder.
Open your eyes. Look at where the Labour Party is right now and stop pretending they know how to run this country. They have no more idea than the Tories. In fact far less. What are their policies? They have 3 different factions within the same party.
Someone tell me what the Labour Party stand for because I haven’t a clue.
What is their identity. Tens of millions are asking the same question.
We need a strong opposition it is vital for democracy in this country.
Agreed.
I would be delighted to see the Labour party sort themselves out and give the electorate a serious choice to make at the next GE.
As it stands the Conservatives will win again without having to try very hard.
I am saying no more on this because I have said all I need to say and if you hard core Socialists can’t get it then that’s your problem quite frankly not mine.
You have said in the past that the tories are not a far right wing party but a party that employs a person to stir up racial hatred with policies to deter voters getting to the polls smack of the far right would you not agree?
Sydney what are you ranting on about. “Deter people from getting to the polls” sorry which socialist rag are you reading in Aussie to come up with that statement.
You are so anti Tory that you don’t seem to be able to distinguish fact from fiction.
Right enough is enough I am off to bed just noticed the time and I need my Beauty sleep. Now that’s fiction.
If that gets you out of answering any questions have a good sleep, questions to sleep on .... have you ever A/ voted and B/ voted for labour
Not answered any questions! Come on your the one who is not answering, not me.
Yes I always vote and since 1973 when I was first eligible to vote, I have never voted Labour but I haven’t always voted Conservative either.
I will not vote for anyone who I think will do a job worse than another party.
Wilson I didn’t like, Callaghan was in the pockets of the Unions and Blair was the nearest Labour leader I came to voting for but thought it too much of a gamble.
David Milliband would probably have got my vote but Ed my own Doncaster North MP who misguidedly made leader was far too left wing to even contemplate voting for.
Corbyn was unelectable for reasons we all know, too many to mention.
So yes I have voted for another party with yellow rosettes more than once.
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Of course I did, but a lot of what you say is to support your team. when they are proven imbeciles and corrupt liars, and yet you want others to come together and support them, it doesn't quite work like that. You get your team in order first and I may think about it.
And the Labour Party are whiter than white.
As for my team. The two major parties are not my team thanks.
My teams just for clarification are DRFC, Yorks CCC & Featherstone Rovers. Oh and any team representing England or GB
I'm not sure this debate is going to go anywhere Campsall as your attempts at reconciliation always appear to be directed at those that don't support conservatives.
labour have not been in power for over 10 years and the economy is a wreck, the response to covid has been infantile at best and on top of that getting brexit done is nowhere near being done. Tell me I'm wrong.
The questions I posed here would be a good place to start, the three biggest topics this government has faced for the 10 years plus it has been in government and has failed them all.
The economy weaker that it should have been due to Austrerity
Brexit just about the worst deal possible
Covid death and destruction
Any time you have a spare moment Campsall. (you can phone a duck for help)
.
The government has had to borrow billions to help its people financially through this pandemic.
Should they not have bothered then. Just let everyone starve, loose their homes and jobs.
Yes austerity was taken too far agreed. I have already said that.
Austerity should never have been contemplated it was a financial dud from beginning to end that left the economy in a weaker position to tackle covid. Where is the evidence to show it was a sound fiscal policy, not just taken too far, it was tory ideology plain and simple.
I don’t think the Cameron government did a good job for the country. They speeded the life out of the economy imo.
But the Gordon Brown government had made a terrible mess of their time in power and that mess had to be cleaned up or we were on a slippery path.
Brexit as I have already stated was not what I voted for.
In the long term it may turn out to be very beneficial for the UK but it will be 5/10 years before we see the benefits imo.
Please show what you mean rather than include generalisations, where and who would benefit and when is the impossible likely to happen, impossible meaning that being taken out of the richest market on earth would deliver financial benefit.
So you see i am not a Tory. I vote for the party which i consider will do the least damage to this country.
The Labour Party are not and haven’t been that party for a very long time.
When have you voted for labour? if not a tory why is it that you only appear to ask 'lefty' supporters to take political discussions off topic?
If they had made David Milliband leader instead of his brother then who knows they may just have been the ruling party even to this day.
But no they press the self destruct button and appoint Ed instead and then Corbyn who would have been a complete disaster for this country and now Starmer who is so inept he is unable to win a popularity contest against Boris who is making blunder after blunder.
Open your eyes. Look at where the Labour Party is right now and stop pretending they know how to run this country. They have no more idea than the Tories. In fact far less. What are their policies? They have 3 different factions within the same party.
Someone tell me what the Labour Party stand for because I haven’t a clue.
What is their identity. Tens of millions are asking the same question.
We need a strong opposition it is vital for democracy in this country.
Agreed.
I would be delighted to see the Labour party sort themselves out and give the electorate a serious choice to make at the next GE.
As it stands the Conservatives will win again without having to try very hard.
I am saying no more on this because I have said all I need to say and if you hard core Socialists can’t get it then that’s your problem quite frankly not mine.
You have said in the past that the tories are not a far right wing party but a party that employs a person to stir up racial hatred with policies to deter voters getting to the polls smack of the far right would you not agree?
Sydney what are you ranting on about. “Deter people from getting to the polls” sorry which socialist rag are you reading in Aussie to come up with that statement.
You are so anti Tory that you don’t seem to be able to distinguish fact from fiction.
Right enough is enough I am off to bed just noticed the time and I need my Beauty sleep. Now that’s fiction.
If that gets you out of answering any questions have a good sleep, questions to sleep on .... have you ever A/ voted and B/ voted for labour
Not answered any questions! Come on your the one who is not answering, not me.
Yes I always vote and since 1973 when I was first eligible to vote, I have never voted Labour but I haven’t always voted Conservative either.
I will not vote for anyone who I think will do a job worse than another party.
Wilson I didn’t like, Callaghan was in the pockets of the Unions and Blair was the nearest Labour leader I came to voting for but thought it too much of a gamble.
David Milliband would probably have got my vote but Ed my own Doncaster North MP who misguidedly made leader was far too left wing to even contemplate voting for.
Corbyn was unelectable for reasons we all know, too many to mention.
So yes I have voted for another party with yellow rosettes more than once.
So you are prepared to vote for grossly imperfect parties as long as they are not labour.
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Campsall as you have stated you have never once in 50+ years voted labour but not always tory, from the number of times you have voted how many times have you not voted tory?
You may think this a tad impertinent but all I'm trying to do is establish your debating bona fides, your voting record shows you have never once voted labour, this tells me in all probability you are unlikely ever to do that. Therefore all your arguments saying labour needs to do this or that are academic as there is never going to be a time when labour will match the criteria that you lay down as being worthy of your vote. It appears you want to offer magnanimity towards labour and labour supporters but never want them to gain power. I don't have a problem with your political position I just prefer a bit of honesty within a debate that I see as important is all.
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Some people just prefer the conservative (small c) approach to handling the countries economy. If he prefers less spending of tax money, more privatisation, etc then that's his personal choice and voting Labour, a party that believes in welfare statism, won't get him that result.
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Sydney how many times have you ever voted Conservative?
Maybe a silly question if you live in Australia.
Would you ever vote Conservative or are you so anti Tory you could not even consider them.
I have an open mind and then vote accordingly.
If that’s a crime I am guilty along with millions of others. My hands are held up.
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Sydney how many times have you ever voted Conservative?
Maybe a silly question if you live in Australia.
Would you ever vote Conservative or are you so anti Tory you could not even consider them.
I have an open mind and then vote accordingly.
If that’s a crime I am guilty along with millions of others. My hands are held up.
Not a crime at all Campsall and not the question either, I have never voted tory wherever I have been but neither am I trying to portray myself as anything else. Not a difficult question for someone across the issues.
The question was how many times have you not voted tory?
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Sydney how many times have you ever voted Conservative?
Maybe a silly question if you live in Australia.
Would you ever vote Conservative or are you so anti Tory you could not even consider them.
I have an open mind and then vote accordingly.
If that%u2019s a crime I am guilty along with millions of others. My hands are held up.
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Not a crime at all Campsall and not the question either, I have never voted tory wherever I have been but neither am I trying to portray myself as anything else. Not a difficult question for someone across the issues.
The question was how many times have you not voted tory?
That is a personal question is it not, but if you read my previous posts I have answered that already.
Not voted Labour because their manifestos were less preferable to one or more of the other parties at the time or the Leader was imo not fit to run this great nation of ours. Or both of course.
It is as simple as that.
Would I ever vote Labour. Yes I would if both of those two criteria were met. Looks like I am having to wait an awful long time.
How honest do you want me to be. I cannot spell it out any clearer than that.
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Not interested why you don't vote labour Campsall, there a whole load of pundits on here telling the world why they don't vote labour.
You are claiming honest broker status as a neutral, you have already said you have never voted labour all I'm interested is as you know is how many time you haven't voted tory.
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Not interested why you don't vote labour Campsall, there a whole load of pundits on here telling the world why they don't vote labour.
You are claiming honest broker status as a neutral, you have already said you have never voted labour all I'm interested is as you know is how many time you haven't voted tory.
No harm done Campsall, I think a can guess close to the answer anyway. I like your football comments if that's any consolation.
Hound is always in need of a friend if you need to chat.
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I see Katie Hopkins is on her way home, rumours are she has been offered the job as cultural advisor to the tory party.
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Not interested why you don't vote labour Campsall, there a whole load of pundits on here telling the world why they don't vote labour.
You are claiming honest broker status as a neutral, you have already said you have never voted labour all I'm interested is as you know is how many time you haven't voted tory.
No harm done Campsall, I think a can guess close to the answer anyway. I like your football comments if that's any consolation.
Hound is always in need of a friend if you need to chat.
Oh believe me Sydney we do. Thanks for that.
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No problem Campsall
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Not interested why you don't vote labour Campsall, there a whole load of pundits on here telling the world why they don't vote labour.
You are claiming honest broker status as a neutral, you have already said you have never voted labour all I'm interested is as you know is how many time you haven't voted tory.
No harm done Campsall, I think a can guess close to the answer anyway. I like your football comments if that's any consolation.
Hound is always in need of a friend if you need to chat.
For the attention of Filo.
I just logged in and came across this post by your mate SR.
That last line is one of the antagonistic things that you regularly accuse me of doing.
No doubt it is ok for SR to do it because he is one of your own.
I don’t think for one minute you will be chastising him for shit stirring.
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Well I think we have established that the Labour Party are in a bit of a pickle at the present.
I think BST has surrendered and Sydney will be having nightmares as it is 03.10 in Sydney right now.
Oh I hope I have not opened another can of worms.
:evil: :chair: :chair: :chair:
Ooh that was very naughty Campsall rover.
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Not interested why you don't vote labour Campsall, there a whole load of pundits on here telling the world why they don't vote labour.
You are claiming honest broker status as a neutral, you have already said you have never voted labour all I'm interested is as you know is how many time you haven't voted tory.
No harm done Campsall, I think a can guess close to the answer anyway. I like your football comments if that's any consolation.
Hound is always in need of a friend if you need to chat.
For the attention of Filo.
I just logged in and came across this post by your mate SR.
That last line is one of the antagonistic things that you regularly accuse me of doing.
No doubt it is ok for SR to do it because he is one of your own.
I don’t think for one minute you will be chastising him for shit stirring.
Now you're telling porkies just like your government hound, you were logged in as I wrote it, your name was along side mine along the top. If we put all your niggling childish little posts end to end they would be about the same length as bb's aye?
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Not interested why you don't vote labour Campsall, there a whole load of pundits on here telling the world why they don't vote labour.
You are claiming honest broker status as a neutral, you have already said you have never voted labour all I'm interested is as you know is how many time you haven't voted tory.
No harm done Campsall, I think a can guess close to the answer anyway. I like your football comments if that's any consolation.
Hound is always in need of a friend if you need to chat.
For the attention of Filo.
I just logged in and came across this post by your mate SR.
That last line is one of the antagonistic things that you regularly accuse me of doing.
No doubt it is ok for SR to do it because he is one of your own.
I don’t think for one minute you will be chastising him for shit stirring.
Now you're telling porkies just like your government hound, you were logged in as I wrote it, your name was along side mine along the top. If we put all your niggling childish little posts end to end they would be about the same length as bb's aye?
I was logged in for a short time this morning SR but that doesn’t mean I read your antagonistic and childish post.
I didn’t as it happens and I resent you calling me a liar.
You are probably the most obnoxious poster on the forum and I sense that you delight in trying to wind people up.
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If you don't log out or close the page you will still be seen as online/logged on even if you don't look on the forum 4 12 hours or longer, glad to have been of assistance
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Always value your assistance bp, forever in your debt.
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Hope your well anyway, are you in a lockdown area?
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If you don't log out or close the page you will still be seen as online/logged on even if you don't look on the forum 4 12 hours or longer, glad to have been of assistance
I never do log out bpool but wasn’t aware that it always showed as logged in.
I thought that the green online thing only showed when I was actually reading stuff.
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Hope your well anyway, are you in a lockdown area?
yes, all of Sydney is in lockdown with tighter restrictions in the southwest area, generally high migrant areas.
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If you don't log out or close the page you will still be seen as online/logged on even if you don't look on the forum 4 12 hours or longer, glad to have been of assistance
I never do log out bpool but wasn’t aware that it always showed as logged in.
I thought that the green online thing only showed when I was actually reading stuff.
no don't think so mate, unless you actually click off the page it will still show as if online
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Hope your well anyway, are you in a lockdown area?
yes, all of Sydney is in lockdown with tighter restrictions in the southwest area, generally high migrant areas.
Hope your well anyway, are you in a lockdown area?
yes, all of Sydney is in lockdown with tighter restrictions in the southwest area, generally high migrant areas.
Hope your well anyway, are you in a lockdown area?
yes, all of Sydney is in lockdown with tighter restrictions in the southwest area, generally high migrant areas.
Hope your well anyway, are you in a lockdown area?
yes, all of Sydney is in lockdown with tighter restrictions in the southwest area, generally high migrant areas.
Hope your well anyway, are you in a lockdown area?
yes, all of Sydney is in lockdown with tighter restrictions in the southwest area, generally high migrant areas.
oh dear hopefully won't last to long for you, clearly your government has done a good job in dealing with the virus, do you think that you will get a big enough vaccine uptake to keep the numbers down when you open air travel back up or will they just wait until the numbers are low throughout the world?
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Sorry just realised not in coronavirus thread
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Not interested why you don't vote labour Campsall, there a whole load of pundits on here telling the world why they don't vote labour.
You are claiming honest broker status as a neutral, you have already said you have never voted labour all I'm interested is as you know is how many time you haven't voted tory.
No harm done Campsall, I think a can guess close to the answer anyway. I like your football comments if that's any consolation.
Hound is always in need of a friend if you need to chat.
For the attention of Filo.
I just logged in and came across this post by your mate SR.
That last line is one of the antagonistic things that you regularly accuse me of doing.
No doubt it is ok for SR to do it because he is one of your own.
I don’t think for one minute you will be chastising him for shit stirring.
Now you're telling porkies just like your government hound, you were logged in as I wrote it, your name was along side mine along the top. If we put all your niggling childish little posts end to end they would be about the same length as bb's aye?
I was logged in for a short time this morning SR but that doesn’t mean I read your antagonistic and childish post.
I didn’t as it happens and I resent you calling me a liar.
You are probably the most obnoxious poster on the forum and I sense that you delight in trying to wind people up.
this is extremely disappointing and uncharitable hound (remind you of your schooldays?) as you know I always treat your comments and yourself with the appropriate respect.