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Title: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: SydneyRover on July 29, 2021, 10:53:12 am
As of topic politics always appear to be fraught drama and especially when it comes to covid I thought I would post tada ........ The Challenge.

All you have to do is explain why the UK being one of the wealthiest groups of countries in the world has experienced one the of the worst death rates in the world. Please provide credible expert commentary and links to support your replies.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: SydneyRover on July 29, 2021, 11:07:32 am
I am hoping contestants will be honourable and behave as gentlemen filo  :)
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: Filo on July 29, 2021, 11:20:24 am
I am hoping contestants will be honourable and behave as gentlemen filo  :)

Why has your post been edited by admin, and where has my innocent reply gone?
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: SydneyRover on July 29, 2021, 11:24:40 am
You live and die by the rules and forum moderators filo, I wouldn't want the job.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: Filo on July 29, 2021, 11:27:33 am
You live and die by the rules and forum moderators filo, I wouldn't want the job.

I’ve done the job, I know, but my reply was nowhere near some of the grenades thrown by others
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: Campsall rover on July 29, 2021, 12:05:08 pm
We have been too slow to shut our borders down.

If we had done what New Zealand did in Feb / March 20 then we probably would have saved many lives.

Hindsight though is a wonderful thing and no one is going to tell me that if the Labour Party had been the government that they would have acted any faster or made any other decisions differently which would have saved lives.

We will never know of course. But hindsight and crystal balls eh. Wish we all had them. 
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: SydneyRover on July 29, 2021, 12:11:19 pm
We have been too slow to shut our borders down.

If we had done what New Zealand did in Feb / March 20 then we probably would have saved many lives.

Hindsight though is a wonderful thing and no one is going to tell me that if the Labour Party had been the government that they would have acted any faster or made any other decisions differently which would have saved lives.

We will never know of course. But hindsight and crystal balls eh. Wish we all had them.

But 205+ other countries did better CR, you can have another go if you want.

Correction out of 219 countries (or areas) UK was fifth worst by deaths per million, and you are trying to deflect blame to others CP.

For future contestants please try to restrict your answer to known facts not speculation.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: SydneyRover on July 29, 2021, 01:21:11 pm
Not a bad start, Campsall has said that the borders were not closed soon enough, fair point, true and easily checked, but there has to be more, who's next to take he challenge?

This could be the Off-Off topic inquiry, the one you have when you don't have an inquiry.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: bobjimwilly on July 29, 2021, 01:24:49 pm
All you have to do is explain why the UK being one of the wealthiest groups of countries in the world has experienced one the of the worst death rates in the world.

It's easy. We've got a whopper of a Prime Minister who doesn't have a clue and just wants to be king (his own words when he was a kid).
He's easily manipulated by others who do have a half a brain, who unfortunately cared more about the short-term economic loss that would have affected their own businesses. Add to that that he doesn't care about anyone but himself, and you have someone who is more than happy to spread covid around care homes and kill off the most vulnerable.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: belton rover on July 29, 2021, 02:27:43 pm
Sydney. Re. the title of your thread: that’s not how you spell ‘bored’.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: bobjimwilly on July 29, 2021, 02:28:35 pm
Sydney. Re. the title of your thread: that’s not how you spell ‘bored’.

you not going to have a go at the challenge?
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: Metalmicky on July 29, 2021, 02:47:48 pm
But 205+ other countries did better CR, you can have another go if you want.

Correction out of 219 countries (or areas) UK was fifth worst by deaths per million, and you are trying to deflect blame to others CP.

For future contestants please try to restrict your answer to known facts not speculation.

You stated that out of 219 countries (or areas)……. however, it's worth highlighting that only around 150 of these have a population above 1 million – so is it worth including these in your 'stats' – unless it’s to bolster the figures for effect?

Talking of which, I’m also not sure where you got your figures from - we are actually 20th worst by deaths per million and have the USA, Mexico, Chile and several others including Spain and France just on our tail.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I'd add that it would be foolish to accept the given figures of the likes of Russia, South Africa, Egypt, Iran, India etc, where large excess-mortality gaps exist, or even countries like Malaysia, Mongolia and the Philippines where 'negative' excess mortality rates have been recorded…

Saying all that, it has been a bit of a cluster all round...... many people and countries have failed, been under-prepared and made a balls up of things...   
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: belton rover on July 29, 2021, 04:06:35 pm
All you have to do is explain why the UK being one of the wealthiest groups of countries in the world has experienced one the of the worst death rates in the world.

It's easy. We've got a whopper of a Prime Minister who doesn't have a clue and just wants to be king (his own words when he was a kid).
He's easily manipulated by others who do have a half a brain, who unfortunately cared more about the short-term economic loss that would have affected their own businesses. Add to that that he doesn't care about anyone but himself, and you have someone who is more than happy to spread covid around care homes and kill off the most vulnerable.

Bob. You forgot the credible expert commentary and the links.
Clearly you are not up to the challenge.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: Herbert Anchovy on July 29, 2021, 05:21:45 pm
As of topic politics always appear to be fraught drama and especially when it comes to covid I thought I would post tada ........ The Challenge.

All you have to do is explain why the UK being one of the wealthiest groups of countries in the world has experienced one the of the worst death rates in the world. Please provide credible expert commentary and links to support your replies.

I’m a welder in South East London Syd. I have absolutely no idea how to answer your question. I could google it but the Guardian will give me one answer and the Daily Mail a completely different answer. So, I can’t help you I’m afraid. However, I suspect that you already have your own answer in mind?
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: scawsby steve on July 29, 2021, 09:14:39 pm
Sydney. Re. the title of your thread: that’s not how you spell ‘bored’.

you not going to have a go at the challenge?

No, because he's probably bored, just like the rest of us.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: bobjimwilly on July 29, 2021, 09:51:24 pm
All you have to do is explain why the UK being one of the wealthiest groups of countries in the world has experienced one the of the worst death rates in the world.

It's easy. We've got a whopper of a Prime Minister who doesn't have a clue and just wants to be king (his own words when he was a kid).
He's easily manipulated by others who do have a half a brain, who unfortunately cared more about the short-term economic loss that would have affected their own businesses. Add to that that he doesn't care about anyone but himself, and you have someone who is more than happy to spread covid around care homes and kill off the most vulnerable.

Bob. You forgot the credible expert commentary and the links.
Clearly you are not up to the challenge.

here's exhibit #1 and #2



Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: belton rover on July 29, 2021, 10:07:28 pm
All you have to do is explain why the UK being one of the wealthiest groups of countries in the world has experienced one the of the worst death rates in the world.

It's easy. We've got a whopper of a Prime Minister who doesn't have a clue and just wants to be king (his own words when he was a kid).
He's easily manipulated by others who do have a half a brain, who unfortunately cared more about the short-term economic loss that would have affected their own businesses. Add to that that he doesn't care about anyone but himself, and you have someone who is more than happy to spread covid around care homes and kill off the most vulnerable.

Bob. You forgot the credible expert commentary and the links.
Clearly you are not up to the challenge.

here's exhibit #1 and #2





Case closed. Cheers, Bob.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: RobTheRover on July 29, 2021, 10:13:26 pm
All you have to do is explain why the UK being one of the wealthiest groups of countries in the world has experienced one the of the worst death rates in the world.

It's easy. We've got a whopper of a Prime Minister who doesn't have a clue and just wants to be king (his own words when he was a kid).
He's easily manipulated by others who do have a half a brain, who unfortunately cared more about the short-term economic loss that would have affected their own businesses. Add to that that he doesn't care about anyone but himself, and you have someone who is more than happy to spread covid around care homes and kill off the most vulnerable.

Bob. You forgot the credible expert commentary and the links.
Clearly you are not up to the challenge.

here's exhibit #1 and #2





Case closed!
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: SydneyRover on July 29, 2021, 10:58:04 pm
Unfortunately some are trying to make the thread political, but lets carry on regardless. Lots of people that knew everything before I posted the challenge suddenly appear to know nothing.

MM the UK were 5th worst but due to them being seventh richest and being able to afford vaccines the figures have improved. I have used the numbers of countries and areas shown on the worldometer that I have been quoting since it was first put up for viewing, I will continue to use it. Countries with pops less than one million have always been represented on the worldometer the numbers are adjusted.

PPE the lack of it to be precise was another major factor in the spread of the virus in health care facilities, it has been well documented and substantiated.

So we have so far

1/ failure to close the borders.
2/ lack of PPE.

Come on guys you're not trying, well some of you are aye?
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: SydneyRover on July 30, 2021, 06:40:32 am
As of topic politics always appear to be fraught drama and especially when it comes to covid I thought I would post tada ........ The Challenge.

All you have to do is explain why the UK being one of the wealthiest groups of countries in the world has experienced one the of the worst death rates in the world. Please provide credible expert commentary and links to support your replies.

I’m a welder in South East London Syd. I have absolutely no idea how to answer your question. I could google it but the Guardian will give me one answer and the Daily Mail a completely different answer. So, I can’t help you I’m afraid. However, I suspect that you already have your own answer in mind?

You make plenty of sensible comments HA, your work is skilled and has taken you to different places and you have wide experience, a couple of ways to deal with complex issues is to start by chunking, breaking down the problem into manageable bits that are more easily dealt with, such as welding into a corner where two surfaces meet at right angles with a plate on the base, you'd have to plan it in stages to so that distortion is kept to a minimum, what is the material made from, what welding techniques would I use, would you weld into the corner or start in and work out all these sort of things. That's what I'm proposing here, to build a case with information readily available. Also when you run up against a problem that you cannot solve right away sometimes it's good to sleep on it and go back to it the next day, like a cryptic crossword clue, it's where the diffuse brain comes into play. Quite often you'll realise what the answer is later.

Rome wasn't built in a day and if one doesn't speak up when when the chance is there it's no good complaining if you disagree with the findings, aye?

Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: Metalmicky on July 30, 2021, 08:57:24 am
Unfortunately some are trying to make the thread political, but lets carry on regardless. Lots of people that knew everything before I posted the challenge suddenly appear to know nothing.

MM the UK were 5th worst but due to them being seventh richest and being able to afford vaccines the figures have improved. I have used the numbers of countries and areas shown on the worldometer that I have been quoting since it was first put up for viewing, I will continue to use it. Countries with pops less than one million have always been represented on the worldometer the numbers are adjusted.

PPE the lack of it to be precise was another major factor in the spread of the virus in health care facilities, it has been well documented and substantiated.

So we have so far

1/ failure to close the borders.
2/ lack of PPE.

Come on guys you're not trying, well some of you are aye?

Well I was trying to correct you, but you chose to ignore/disregard most of what I wrote...... so I'll not be bothering again. 

As for making it political....:lol: :lol: ........ It's perhaps best not to criticise others for a fault that you quite obviously have yourself..
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: SydneyRover on July 30, 2021, 09:01:25 am
Unfortunately some are trying to make the thread political, but lets carry on regardless. Lots of people that knew everything before I posted the challenge suddenly appear to know nothing.

MM the UK were 5th worst but due to them being seventh richest and being able to afford vaccines the figures have improved. I have used the numbers of countries and areas shown on the worldometer that I have been quoting since it was first put up for viewing, I will continue to use it. Countries with pops less than one million have always been represented on the worldometer the numbers are adjusted.

PPE the lack of it to be precise was another major factor in the spread of the virus in health care facilities, it has been well documented and substantiated.

So we have so far

1/ failure to close the borders.
2/ lack of PPE.

Come on guys you're not trying, well some of you are aye?

Well I was trying to correct you, but you chose to ignore/disregard most of what I wrote...... so I'll not be bothering again. 

As for making it political....:lol: :lol: ........ It's perhaps best not to criticise others for a fault that you quite obviously have yourself..

Firstly show mw where I am incorrect and as I said earlier in the thread or suggested, leave your politics at the doo on this thread.

Participate of you want to, I think it will be interesting to see if we as a group get anywhere close to the official inquiry.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: bobjimwilly on July 30, 2021, 10:34:50 am
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All you have to do is explain why the UK being one of the wealthiest groups of countries in the world has experienced one the of the worst death rates in the world

Don't my exhibits answer this question? Both pictures paint more than 1000 words IMO.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: SydneyRover on July 30, 2021, 10:54:47 am
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All you have to do is explain why the UK being one of the wealthiest groups of countries in the world has experienced one the of the worst death rates in the world

Don't my exhibits answer this question? Both pictures paint more than 1000 words IMO.

Well they could bob but that would be putting the cart first and if the thread is to remain A-political if you are correct or not it will come out anyway as the topics of the thread are collated and evaluated and the outcomes present themselves. Wouldn't want to be seen as biased at all aye?

I think Track & Trace should go on the list next. There is stacks of info out there and when all these contributing factors are listed they can be looked at in more depth. Such as why a brand new system was set up, why it was closed down again in the space of only a few months, those sorts of things, it will be good to get it all in one place I think.

You contributions are much appreciated bob as are any others. Haven't heard back from MM as yet, I assume he agrees with what I wrote, happy to be corrected MM.



Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: Ldr on July 30, 2021, 10:59:52 am
It’s fair to say the country was not prepared, has been caught with its pants down over this. The NHS has adapted fantastically to cope at the cost of routine work, that’s triage in action.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: SydneyRover on July 30, 2021, 12:19:08 pm
1/ failure to close the borders.
2/ lack of PPE.
3/NHS
4/Cygnus
5/Test & Trace

thanks Ldr when considering around 600 health care workers lost their lives it's astonishing what they achieved.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: selby on July 30, 2021, 12:20:27 pm
  Covid19 was not recognised until well past the date it became fairly well spread in this country, I am convinced I had it, sat in the car after a game at Rotherham wondering if I should really set off back home I felt that unwell, and also developed a shortness of breath and dizziness especially at night on more than one occasion,  and was really concerned all well before knowledge of any pandemic was known.
  A couple of months later all hell is let go and I was left wondering if I had it or not        ( personally I am sure myself I had) and the whole world is a different place.
  Every country was caught out.
 
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: SydneyRover on July 30, 2021, 12:24:23 pm
  Covid19 was not recognised until well past the date it became fairly well spread in this country, I am convinced I had it, sat in the car after a game at Rotherham wondering if I should really set off back home I felt that unwell, and also developed a shortness of breath and dizziness especially at night on more than one occasion,  and was really concerned all well before knowledge of any pandemic was known.
  A couple of months later all hell is let go and I was left wondering if I had it or not        ( personally I am sure myself I had) and the whole world is a different place.
  Every country was caught out.
 

True but as the title says some managed better than others, what do you put that down to selby?
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: selby on July 30, 2021, 01:19:47 pm
  people making money out of it.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: SydneyRover on July 30, 2021, 01:23:00 pm
  people making money out of it.

Is this overall across the board or specific areas do you think, how can I include it in my list as a factor?
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: dickos1 on July 30, 2021, 01:36:52 pm
  people making money out of it.

Is this overall across the board or specific areas do you think, how can I include it in my list as a factor?

As has been pointed out, you’ve changed the figures to suit your point of view.
So because of that, I’m out
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: SydneyRover on July 30, 2021, 01:44:06 pm
  people making money out of it.

Is this overall across the board or specific areas do you think, how can I include it in my list as a factor?

As has been pointed out, you’ve changed the figures to suit your point of view.
So because of that, I’m out

What are you talking about dickos, be a bit more specific please.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: selby on July 30, 2021, 01:50:51 pm
 Factor in the price of the Moderna, Pfizer and other pharma vaccines compared with the Astra Zenica vaccines prices and the countries especially in Europe that will not use it so much when you compare costs Syd, is it good management to over pay because of pride and jealousy, which the EU unelected bureaucrats have shown in abundance.
   The actual figures of fatality are another bone of contention with countries having different ways of accepting the deaths, as we consider deaths with Covid mainly due to other factors, France and Germany do not, is it even correct to have a success table so to speak, which is always open to manipulation by government, France being a prime example.
 I'l let you decide that, no doubt you will have your own slant on it.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: SydneyRover on July 30, 2021, 01:59:10 pm
Factor in the price of the Moderna, Pfizer and other pharma vaccines compared with the Astra Zenica vaccines prices and the countries especially in Europe that will not use it so much when you compare costs Syd, is it good management to over pay because of pride and jealousy, which the EU unelected bureaucrats have shown in abundance.
   The actual figures of fatality are another bone of contention with countries having different ways of accepting the deaths, as we consider deaths with Covid mainly due to other factors, France and Germany do not, is it even correct to have a success table so to speak, which is always open to manipulation by government, France being a prime example.
 I'l let you decide that, no doubt you will have your own slant on it.

Are you saying the cost of the vaccines contributed to the numbers of deaths in the UK? I'm going to have to put mire staff on I can see that.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: SydneyRover on July 30, 2021, 02:02:22 pm
1/ failure to close the borders.
2/ lack of PPE.
3/NHS
4/Cygnus
5/Test & Trace
6/Cronyism tbd

Have put down item '6' but as with most it will have to be flesh out.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: dickos1 on July 30, 2021, 03:47:00 pm
  people making money out of it.

Is this overall across the board or specific areas do you think, how can I include it in my list as a factor?

As has been pointed out, you’ve changed the figures to suit your point of view.
So because of that, I’m out

What are you talking about dickos, be a bit more specific please.

Metalmickey has already spelt it out to you
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: selby on July 30, 2021, 04:40:36 pm
 One in four hospitalisations with Covid are admitted for other medical reasons originally.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: wilts rover on July 30, 2021, 06:55:52 pm
Factor in the price of the Moderna, Pfizer and other pharma vaccines compared with the Astra Zenica vaccines prices and the countries especially in Europe that will not use it so much when you compare costs Syd, is it good management to over pay because of pride and jealousy, which the EU unelected bureaucrats have shown in abundance.
   The actual figures of fatality are another bone of contention with countries having different ways of accepting the deaths, as we consider deaths with Covid mainly due to other factors, France and Germany do not, is it even correct to have a success table so to speak, which is always open to manipulation by government, France being a prime example.
 I'l let you decide that, no doubt you will have your own slant on it.

You sure about that Selby? I thought the UK only counted death within 28 days of a test - where France and Germany counted any death with covid?
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: SydneyRover on July 30, 2021, 11:14:20 pm
  people making money out of it.

Is this overall across the board or specific areas do you think, how can I include it in my list as a factor?

As has been pointed out, you’ve changed the figures to suit your point of view.
So because of that, I’m out

What are you talking about dickos, be a bit more specific please.

Metalmickey has already spelt it out to you

Oh that, MM has demanded that he changes the way the worldometer has been set up since its inception, I don't want to change anything that has been used the same way since the virus his, what happens if someone else comes along and demands change because he doesn't agree with how deaths are recorded or what colour the sky is, we can make a note at the end that reflects on how many countries have populations lower than 1m as you can offer what you think a fair factor of adjustment would be for population densities against all the other countries on the list.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: dickos1 on July 30, 2021, 11:27:57 pm
No,
You said we had the 5th highest death rate, when in reality it’s the 20th.
Anyhow you have duly edited your post now in acknowledgement of your error.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: SydneyRover on July 30, 2021, 11:35:52 pm
No,
You said we had the 5th highest death rate, when in reality it’s the 20th.
Anyhow you have duly edited your post now in acknowledgement of your error.

Yes it is now but we have to decide when the cut off point is, 5th was the worst it ever got to and if you care to read the title of the thread it tells you exactly what the thread is about, if you don't wish to lend your expertise to a non political thread, your choice dickos but you can see already that political angst is not a part of it 
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: Colemans Left Hook on July 30, 2021, 11:39:32 pm
time to claim my £5

about 8 years ago I remember a Rovers fan (broad Yorkshire accent) who claimed to be a  "train driver" ringing Radio Sheffield as he was emigrating to Sydney .

Surely there can't be two of you time to claim my £5 me thinx
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: SydneyRover on July 30, 2021, 11:44:23 pm
time to claim my £5

about 8 years ago I remember a Rovers fan (broad Yorkshire accent) who claimed to be a  "train driver" ringing Radio Sheffield as he was emigrating to Sydney .

Surely there can't be two of you time to claim my £5 me thinx

You got me bang to rights CLH I did have a train set years ago.

added, was it living in yorkshire and having a yorkshire accent that exposed me?
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: dickos1 on July 31, 2021, 12:10:13 am
There’s only one chap who likes to turn every subject into a party political borefest.

There should never be a cut off point, the only point when it would be a good time to look back and see who managed the chaos better than the next country is when it’s all over.
There are countries that won’t even have found the peak of their cases yet, Australia for example.
Choosing a cut off point so it fits your point of view  doesn’t work I’m afraid.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: SydneyRover on July 31, 2021, 12:24:57 am
There’s only one chap who likes to turn every subject into a party political borefest.

There should never be a cut off point, the only point when it would be a good time to look back and see who managed the chaos better than the next country is when it’s all over.
There are countries that won’t even have found the peak of their cases yet, Australia for example.
Choosing a cut off point so it fits your point of view  doesn’t work I’m afraid.

And then there is dickos forever apologising for an inept government that can't or won't face the truth. I'm trying to keep this a-political you are trying your best not to have a thread on the subject at all.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: dickos1 on July 31, 2021, 07:49:39 am
I’m not apologising for anyone!
But how can you dissect and analyse something when we’re still in the middle of it.
As I said the only time to look back and analyse which countries managed the whole thing better than or worse than anyone else is when it’s all over, not in the midst of it all.

Who knows what state each country will be in next year.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: drfchound on July 31, 2021, 07:51:26 am
That is far too logical Dickos.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: SydneyRover on July 31, 2021, 08:20:09 am
I’m not apologising for anyone!
But how can you dissect and analyse something when we’re still in the middle of it.
As I said the only time to look back and analyse which countries managed the whole thing better than or worse than anyone else is when it’s all over, not in the midst of it all.

Who knows what state each country will be in next year.

You sound more like the government every day dickos, let's not have an inquiry we're much too busy, but not too busy to introduce voting ID, not too busy to introduce protest restrictions, not too busy ............ etc I get the feeling it will be like the inquiry into blood plasma scandal and Hillsborough, kick into the long grass aye?

If you need any help with your answers, hound is always just a comment away dickos.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: dickos1 on July 31, 2021, 08:54:03 am
There u go again!
Where did I say anything about an enquiry?
I think you’re getting yourself in a muddle.

An enquiry into what we could’ve done better is not analysing which country has done better than another.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: SydneyRover on July 31, 2021, 09:21:23 am
There u go again!
Where did I say anything about an enquiry?
I think you’re getting yourself in a muddle.

An enquiry into what we could’ve done better is not analysing which country has done better than another.

Come on dickos keep up, I've been calling for an inquiry and as it's not forthcoming I'm having an Off Off topic one.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: Metalmicky on July 31, 2021, 09:23:25 am
Can I suggest we leave Sydney to his little thread................. his utterly pointless little thread.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: SydneyRover on July 31, 2021, 09:26:51 am
You didn't get back to me MM I assume you got it incorrect.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: dickos1 on July 31, 2021, 12:00:08 pm
You didn't get back to me MM I assume you got it incorrect.

There’s plenty of things you never get back to people on once you realise you’re spouting nonsense
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: SydneyRover on July 31, 2021, 12:16:56 pm
hound speaks for you, you speak for pud and MM, no thoughts of your own?
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: Sprotyrover on July 31, 2021, 12:26:46 pm
We are the victims of greed, 20 years ago with the likes of SARS we sat back smugly and laughed because it was on the other side of the world, then The University's cottoned on to the Chinese rush for higher education in English speaking countries, they were pouring in,My son worked at the home office and tells me of everybody having to down tools in various departments and man the visa desks to cope with the September 'Gold Rush' as the registration of Chinese students was called. When Covid Pooped up in China we were all caught on the wrong foot as we assumed it would run out its course in China, within days it was here and spreading its merry way around the country.45,000 flying in from China every week.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: dickos1 on July 31, 2021, 01:36:09 pm
hound speaks for you, you speak for pud and MM, no thoughts of your own?


 :lol: :lol:
You’re crackers mate

Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: drfchound on July 31, 2021, 02:51:53 pm
hound speaks for you, you speak for pud and MM, no thoughts of your own?


 :lol: :lol:
You’re crackers mate






Desperation creeping in. 
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: DonnyNoel on July 31, 2021, 05:24:18 pm
As of topic politics always appear to be fraught drama and especially when it comes to covid I thought I would post tada ........ The Challenge.

All you have to do is explain why the UK being one of the wealthiest groups of countries in the world has experienced one the of the worst death rates in the world. Please provide credible expert commentary and links to support your replies.


Sorry mate but this is tiresome and embarrassing. I'm of above average intelligence yet I do look to this forum and another football forum to try and get up to speed on Covid (maybe that's where I'm going wrong) but not only do I have to wade through 10 posts on the main Covid thread to glean one useful piece of information due to backbiting on both sides but now you've starting another goady thread for people to have a sub-battle. I'm not disagreeing on your overall stance but what a pointless thread.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: SydneyRover on July 31, 2021, 09:50:15 pm
The thread has done it's job the findings are there for all to see, it was to confirm those that were never interesting in the truth and sorting out a few sheep from goats, those that pretend to want the truth but do everything to thwart it coming out, but thank for you comment.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: belton rover on August 01, 2021, 05:25:25 pm
The thread has done it's job the findings are there for all to see, it was to confirm those that were never interesting in the truth and sorting out a few sheep from goats, those that pretend to want the truth but do everything to thwart it coming out, but thank for you comment.

It certainly confirms something, but not what you’d like to think.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: DonnyNoel on August 01, 2021, 06:29:55 pm
The thread has done it's job the findings are there for all to see, it was to confirm those that were never interesting in the truth and sorting out a few sheep from goats, those that pretend to want the truth but do everything to thwart it coming out, but thank for you comment.

Shark. Jumped.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: drfchound on August 01, 2021, 10:58:18 pm
Amen to that.
Title: Re: The Off-Off topic Challenge ..... Are you bold enough
Post by: SydneyRover on August 01, 2021, 11:29:06 pm
Amen to that.

You saw my comment early hound you were one of the first, why don't you PM you little buddies and tell what was there before it got modded?