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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: BillyStubbsTears on September 18, 2021, 07:23:28 pm
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I said at the time we played them that they were a poor side. Take out our result and they have picked up 8 points in 6 games. Lower mid-table form.
If they really are paying an 8 figure wage bill for that squad, football has lost any mooring (sic) to any rational concept of value.
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I know someone mentioned it on another thread but how many of us were listening to grumble grumble on the way home & grinning away at the callers pulling their hair out over DM's slow tactics? Brilliant.
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I know someone mentioned it on another thread but how many of us were listening to grumble grumble on the way home & grinning away at the callers pulling their hair out over DM's slow tactics? Brilliant.
I was one grinning away on the motorway
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Twitter is amusing tonight, they are slowly losing patience.
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Honestly I cheered the same as if Rovers had scored a last minute winner when I heard Moore had left (I was alone working from home so I didn't embarrass myself in Tesco or anything like that).
I found his defensive, slow paced, pass between the back line and goalkeeper footballing tactics tedious, annoying and frustrating in the extreme even when we were doing well in the league. Basically we had what 5 to 6 moments of interest a match when we launched a (often very effective) lightening counter attack. And even these disappeared after Christmas last year.
A big reason why we're suffering now is due to his questionable activity in the transfer market and unwillingness to sign existing players up to new contracts.
We weren't great today by any means but it was a better watch than the majority of Moore's games even when we were winning.
SWFC are welcome to him. I hope he stays there a long time.
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Honestly I cheered the same as if Rovers had scored a last minute winner when I heard Moore had left (I was alone working from home so I didn't embarrass myself in Tesco or anything like that).
I found his slow paced, pass between the back line and goalkeeper footballing tactics tedious, annoying and frustrating in the extreme even when we were doing well in the league. Basically we had what 5 to 6 moments of interest a match when we launched a (often very effective) lightening counter attack. And even these disappeared after Christmas last year.
A big reason why we're suffering now is due to his questionable activity in the transfer market and unwillingness to sign existing players up to new contracts.
We weren't great today by any means but it was a better watch than the majority of Moore's games even when we were winning.
SWFC are welcome to him. I hope he stays there a long time.
He won’t be staying a long time. I’ll give it to Christmas before he gets sacked with Wednesday floundering somewhere between 10th place and 14th.
Well that’s my prediction anyway.
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Got 10 seconds into Darren's post match interview from today.
5 erms.
Erm.
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He won’t be staying a long time. I’ll give it to Christmas before he gets sacked with Wednesday floundering somewhere between 10th place and 14th.
Well that’s my prediction anyway.
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I agree with you. But the longer he stays the longer they flounder.
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Still, eh, as long as he gets things over lines…
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I know someone mentioned it on another thread but how many of us were listening to grumble grumble on the way home & grinning away at the callers pulling their hair out over DM's slow tactics? Brilliant.
I heard the Wednesday fans moaning about him and I don’t think he will get through the season with his job intact.
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Yes but he was the saviour 3 weeks ago
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What a disappointment DM is/was! I, like most of us was delighted when we appointed him but he was a disaster - one of our poorest manager's in the last 20 yrs! Boring football, poor decision making in terms of signings and contracts and then jumped ship when went wrong. Good luck SWFC, you'll need it!
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What a disappointment DM is/was! I, like most of us was delighted when we appointed him but he was a disaster - one of our poorest manager's in the last 20 yrs! Boring football, poor decision making in terms of signings and contracts and then jumped ship when went wrong. Good luck SWFC, you'll need it!
You missed out talked and sounded like an ermm halfwit all the time, the rest is spot on.
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Morecambe 1 Wednesday 0
Rovers 1 Morecambe 0
I know this means nothing but I don’t care.
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Praise or grumble is fantastic listening whether the Sheffield clubs win or lose.
Two defeats and they want to sack a manager, pull the ground down and pack it all in, two wins and they are on the verge of breaking into the Champions league.
Absolutely no realism or middle ground with either set of fans.
On way home today even my Grandson picked up on it regarding DM, saying that they wanted to build a statue of him a few weeks ago.
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Praise or grumble is fantastic listening whether the Sheffield clubs win or lose.
Two defeats and they want to sack a manager, pull the ground down and pack it all in, two wins and they are on the verge of breaking into the Champions league.
Absolutely no realism or middle ground with either set of fans.
On way home today even my Grandson picked up on it regarding DM, saying that they wanted to build a statue of him a few weeks ago.
In terms of statue construction, they’ll not get that one over the line lol!
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Just listened to the DM interview. Sounds like there was a dubious pelanty in the game.
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Just listened to the DM interview. Sounds like there was a dubious pelanty in the game.
It will be dodgy with that pronunciation lol!
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But they started off at a blistering pace, several times.
All I have to say to Owls fans You're welcome
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The first thing he said on the interview:
‘Yeah, no. It was a game of two halves.’
I miss his insight.
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So far Wednesday have played teams currently placed 16th, 18th, 22nd, 23rd and 24th in the table. Next week they play the 19th place. Only two sides in the top half so far, beat one, battered 0-3 at the other.
Suddenly that bright start doesn't seem quite so impressive as they slide from top spot to 12th.
And its best they make the most of the run up to Christmas as the fixtures don't look to be quite so benevolent after that.
In fairness they've built a much stronger squad than ours with the newly discovered magic magic money tree after being unable or unwilling to pay wages only a few weeks back.
Darren has no-where to hide if he slides further down the table. With 20,000+ gates he will soon be feeling the heat if he doesn't deliver. Expectations were raised early on. They won't accept excuses and bluster.
And is their still a threat of points deduction hanging over their heads?
I half feel sorry for him.
Nay, scratch that.
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They are terrible considering the players they have available.
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I always thought Darren wasn't the smartest tool in the box.
The more I hear from him....
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McCann not having the best of times at Hull either. I know you shouldn't but....
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I bet DM would be happy after 23 games with 48 pts as he was last year with us. Yes after that it all went pear shape but we had lost Whiteman by then and it appears he was considering his options.
To get to that level in the next 16 games we will need 44 pts.
So we can be critical of DM but for that tricky first period last season he did well with the players he had.
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Morecambe 1 Wednesday 0
Rovers 1 Morecambe 0
I know this means nothing but I don’t care.
Wedesday 2 Rovers 0. And your point is?
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Morecambe 1 Wednesday 0
Rovers 1 Morecambe 0
I know this means nothing but I don’t care.
Wedesday 2 Rovers 0. And your point is?
I think he's just said it means nothing.
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I bet DM would be happy after 23 games with 48 pts as he was last year with us. Yes after that it all went pear shape but we had lost Whiteman by then and it appears he was considering his options.
To get to that level in the next 16 games we will need 44 pts.
So we can be critical of DM but for that tricky first period last season he did well with the players he had.
I thought we were lucky in the 1st half of the season, scraping wins with backs to the wall performances. The writing was on the wall, I don't agree that he did well.
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Morecambe 1 Wednesday 0
Rovers 1 Morecambe 0
I know this means nothing but I don’t care.
Wedesday 2 Rovers 0. And your point is?
I think he's just said it means nothing.
Just waffle then cos yeah it means nothing...
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We arent in a position to have a dig at anyone yet we are bottom of the league. I'm not disappointed to see DM getting some stick at Wednesday but tbf they have had a big turn around of players. That will take time to gel and develop, similar to what hopefully will happen for us.
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Are they in a better position than Derby? if not the club might not last while Christmas if the owner gets fed up and a few more bills are dropped through the letter box.
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If you want cheering up, have a look at Ipswich"s 89th minute equaliser.
Wont be long before Moore will be on borrowed time.
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If you want cheering up, have a look at Ipswich"s 89th minute equaliser.
Wont be long before Moore will be on borrowed time.
Oh thank you baby Jesus! Made my day.
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Caught Radio Sheff first time for ages today and young Dazzy was on after their game at Ipswich. Listening to that bag of post match warm piss that we were also subjected to reminded me how detached he seems from the actual realities of the game. Its like some delusional parallel universe he's in.
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Caught Radio Sheff first time for ages today and young Dazzy was on after their game at Ipswich. Listening to that bag of post match warm piss that we were also subjected to reminded me how detached he seems from the actual realities of the game. Its like some delusional parallel universe he's in.
So far Wellens is only beating Moore at sounding less boring in interviews.
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Caught Radio Sheff first time for ages today and young Dazzy was on after their game at Ipswich. Listening to that bag of post match warm piss that we were also subjected to reminded me how detached he seems from the actual realities of the game. Its like some delusional parallel universe he's in.
So far Wellens is only beating Moore at sounding less boring in interviews.
Would you swap Richie for Darren for the rest of the season? I know I wouldn't.
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Caught Radio Sheff first time for ages today and young Dazzy was on after their game at Ipswich. Listening to that bag of post match warm piss that we were also subjected to reminded me how detached he seems from the actual realities of the game. Its like some delusional parallel universe he's in.
So far Wellens is only beating Moore at sounding less boring in interviews.
Would you swap Richie for Darren for the rest of the season? I know I wouldn't.
No I wouldn't. We're only 8 games in. However Moore overachieved with what he had to use. I didn't like how he left but I think the fact the way he did and the fact that he interviews poorly clouds people's vision.
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Caught Radio Sheff first time for ages today and young Dazzy was on after their game at Ipswich. Listening to that bag of post match warm piss that we were also subjected to reminded me how detached he seems from the actual realities of the game. Its like some delusional parallel universe he's in.
So far Wellens is only beating Moore at sounding less boring in interviews.
Would you swap Richie for Darren for the rest of the season? I know I wouldn't.
No I wouldn't. We're only 8 games in. However Moore overachieved with what he had to use. I didn't like how he left but I think the fact the way he did and the fact that he interviews poorly clouds people's vision.
Point is we seem to be going in the right direction under Richie, hopefully the results will reflect the performances. SW, under Darren, seem to be going the way we all saw here, he seems to be stuck in those ways.
On top of that, we get better interviews, what's not to like? Let's face it, they should be at least a tier above us, I don't see them bring too many places above us over the season.
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He's lucky to be managing a more talented and vastly more expensive group of players. He is where is. He attracted the owners of Wednesday to employ him and I wouldn't be surprised if he does OK come May. I still think his post match interviews are like being subjected to some automaton peddling out the least honest, fake, warm bag of piss I've ever heard. Slightly dented but still like him from when he wore the shirt.
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Morecambe 1 Wednesday 0
Rovers 1 Morecambe 0
I know this means nothing but I don’t care.
Wedesday 2 Rovers 0. And your point is?
I think he's just said it means nothing.
Just waffle then cos yeah it means nothing...
You struggle with a bit of humour and irony don’t you Exile?
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He's lucky to be managing a more talented and vastly more expensive group of players. He is where is. He attracted the owners of Wednesday to employ him and I wouldn't be surprised if he does OK come May. I still think his post match interviews are like being subjected to some automaton peddling out the least honest, fake, warm bag of piss I've ever heard. Slightly dented but still like him from when he wore the shirt.
are you suggesting he should be The Prime Minister or Leader of the Opposition ?
Looking at the image below one of them looks like a "retired heavyweight boxer" and the other's father was "said to be" a boxer - remember their teams "slugged it out" for the relegation spot, Wednesday being the winners.
BUT ....... After the midweek matches both Wednesday and Rovers will have ridiculously played 3 home games and 6 away so BOTH IN FALSE POSITIONS
Me thinx this fact about Wednesday has gone under the radar ... & regarding Rovers spy sports unbelievably have Rovers 2/1 ON for relegation
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Been reading their forum tonight.
They are not a happy bunch and are turning on him.
One thread even moaning he was laughing and joking with an Ipswich player at FT on Saturday haha.
A lot saying he won’t make it to Christmas.
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Don’t know if anyone can remember the Baggies fan who came on here and gave us the lowdown on DM at WBA, at the time it seemed that Graeme Jones was responsible for the turgid play, obviously it wasn’t having seen how we played and wendies are now
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I was in theatre last night having an infection removed from my arthroscopy op from 3 weeks ago,
The anaesthetist’s assistant was a SWFC ticket holder…..he says there is a huge swell of non support for DMs ” tethering “ of quality players, and they reckon he will be gone if they aren’t op by XMAS…….
Then I fell into a black hole
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It was annoying when he left and the manner wasn’t ideal, but I don’t wish the guy any ill will. Clearly though he has a set template and it usually starts brightly then rapidly gets found out, and he doesn’t appear able to change said template. He’s got stacks of cash to burn at this level yet the Wednesday fans say his failings are exactly those we all saw. His interview style doesn’t help him either. Maybe like Steve McLaren and Brian Kidd he is a coach rather than a manager?
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Caught Radio Sheff first time for ages today and young Dazzy was on after their game at Ipswich. Listening to that bag of post match warm piss that we were also subjected to reminded me how detached he seems from the actual realities of the game. Its like some delusional parallel universe he's in.
So far Wellens is only beating Moore at sounding less boring in interviews.
Would you swap Richie for Darren for the rest of the season? I know I wouldn't.
It’s not about the manager with the players we have now. Comparing the midfield and forwards that Darren had until December/January they were better than we have now in the majority. Injury to Sims and the big loss of Whiteman was the turning point.
DM has a better level of player at Sheffield Weds now and if he doesn’t start to get them near the top the question will be and should be asked. We should get out of relegation but there’s no guarantee. It will depend whether the midfield and forwards that Richie has can improve and start winning games.
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I think we can all pretty much agree that the team is playing much better week on week, ok we are still ironing out a few errors that are amplified by our current position …
However, realistically we are a decent DM away from being a good solid unit, it will happen just got to be patient a bit longer….
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It’s easy to say DM doesn’t sound good in interviews, he’s a brummie, a man-mountain, who’s spent his career heading a football, how do you expect him to sound?
He massively overachieved here, then we sold our best player and things went tits up. He left because he received a better offer. Don’t like Sheff Wednesday so I can’t really wish him well there but will always remember him as a good player and a decent bloke and wish him all the best.
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Is all this poking fun at other clubs just to distract others from noticing how bad we ourselves are, and that we need a minimum of 4 points just to reach safety let alone stay out of the relegation zone?
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Is all this poking fun at other clubs just to distract others from noticing how bad we ourselves are, and that we need a minimum of 4 points just to reach safety let alone stay out of the relegation zone?
Yes. There's a highly-organised conspiracy. Thankfully you've exposed it though.
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Is all this poking fun at other clubs just to distract others from noticing how bad we ourselves are, and that we need a minimum of 4 points just to reach safety let alone stay out of the relegation zone?
Yes you’re right: no one has noticed how bad we are - not even in the multitude of posts over the last few weeks all analysing how bad we are.
Well spotted.
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Well yes we are in bottom place, how bad we are, not sure that is actually true.
No one has comprehensively beaten us in the league.
It is small margins. In the games we have lost the scores have been 1-0, 2-1 and 2-0 at worst.
In the game we lost 2-0 to Wednesday we were the better team for most of the match.
We are improving gradually as the team get to know each other and start gelling.
I am still very confident we will turn it round and why not tonight at a faltering Ipswich.
A couple of consecutive wins and we will be up and running.
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No bites lads, come on.
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Just to remind you chaps & chapesses ( for the 100th time f.f.fs.)
after tonights matches :-
both Wendies & Rovers will have played 50% more away matches than home
for those as thick as my avatar (and there are quite a few on here) that means both will have played 3 at home played 6* away ...
can anyone work out the implications of this ?
*currently 3+3=6
which reminds me ...
if you ask an account what does 1+1 equal .... the reply is "what do you want it to equal" ..... but that is the way of the modern world
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https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/304619-darren-moores-post-oxford-utd-thoughts-at-hillsborough/#comments
Familiar thread here for those of us who are enjoying our Darren’s struggles
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It was same again on Praise or Grumble, as it has been last few weeks. “Don’t understand why he always tries and plays it out from the back…always lose possession and put ourselves under pressure…too much tippy tappy from defenders playing out from the back.”
You honestly couldn’t make it up. Same tactic, same outcome. Must be easy for opposition managers to play against his sides. So predictable.
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It was same again on Praise or Grumble, as it has been last few weeks. “Don’t understand why he always tries and plays it out from the back…always lose possession and put ourselves under pressure…too much tippy tappy from defenders playing out from the back.”
You honestly couldn’t make it up. Same tactic, same outcome. Must be easy for opposition managers to play against his sides. So predictable.
Think it will end up worse for him there too as teams will be raising their games against Wednesday this season.
Just disappointed they caught us so early in the season.
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https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/304619-darren-moores-post-oxford-utd-thoughts-at-hillsborough/#comments
Familiar thread here for those of us who are enjoying our Darren’s struggles
Can’t deny that makes for quite an amusing read.
Sounds like they had a few of the old pelanty claims.
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CLH, they are losing home games though.
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Well yes we are in bottom place, how bad we are, not sure that is actually true.
No one has comprehensively beaten us in the league.
It is small margins. In the games we have lost the scores have been 1-0, 2-1 and 2-0 at worst.
In the game we lost 2-0 to Wednesday we were the better team for most of the match.
We are improving gradually as the team get to know each other and start gelling.
I am still very confident we will turn it round and why not tonight at a faltering Ipswich.
A couple of consecutive wins and we will be up and running.
We were better than Wednesday for almost the whole of the first half, due to one player, Bostock, ran the show.
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It was same again on Praise or Grumble, as it has been last few weeks. “Don’t understand why he always tries and plays it out from the back…always lose possession and put ourselves under pressure…too much tippy tappy from defenders playing out from the back.”
You honestly couldn’t make it up. Same tactic, same outcome. Must be easy for opposition managers to play against his sides. So predictable.
Think it will end up worse for him there too as teams will be raising their games against Wednesday this season.
Just disappointed they caught us so early in the season.
Don't worry, Mush; they've got to come to fortress Keepmoat yet.
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It was same again on Praise or Grumble, as it has been last few weeks. “Don’t understand why he always tries and plays it out from the back…always lose possession and put ourselves under pressure…too much tippy tappy from defenders playing out from the back.”
You honestly couldn’t make it up. Same tactic, same outcome. Must be easy for opposition managers to play against his sides. So predictable.
Think it will end up worse for him there too as teams will be raising their games against Wednesday this season.
Just disappointed they caught us so early in the season.
Don't worry, Mush; they've got to come to fortress Keepmoat yet.
Yes but will he make it to then?
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Not sure it's the case now but remember losing to us often resulted in a manager losing their job. Potentially that was more a championship thing but would be very sweet if it was the case with Moore.
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Know a few Wednesday fans who were waxing lyrical about Moore earlier in the season. I warned them what to expect and that nothings won in August, they've been very quiet of late. Having said that we're not in a position to talk but I'm quietly confident Richie Wellens is the right fit for us as manager
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Goal kicks were mentioned on football heaven 2 players in the box goalie passing to one of them :)
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Goal kicks were mentioned on football heaven 2 players in the box goalie passing to one of them :)
Lots of clubs doing that nowadays. We have on occasion too. I don’t really understand why it’s suddenly a fashion. If it ends up getting knocked long and coming back then those two players are playing everyone onside.
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Well yes we are in bottom place, how bad we are, not sure that is actually true.
No one has comprehensively beaten us in the league.
It is small margins. In the games we have lost the scores have been 1-0, 2-1 and 2-0 at worst.
In the game we lost 2-0 to Wednesday we were the better team for most of the match.
We are improving gradually as the team get to know each other and start gelling.
I am still very confident we will turn it round and why not tonight at a faltering Ipswich.
A couple of consecutive wins and we will be up and running.
We were better than Wednesday for almost the whole of the first half, due to one player, Bostock, ran the show.
And you know why that was the case, because not one Wednesday player bothered to try and close him down. There was always 10 yards of space in front of him so he could do what he wanted and he did spray the ball around with some great passing. He never moved more than 10 yards in front of his own back 4.
Same at Rotherham. Sat deep plenty of space to pass the ball. 2nd half not in the game because they stood on him.
2nd half in both games they got wise to it and he was anonymous. Close him down and he struggles.
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Goal kicks were mentioned on football heaven 2 players in the box goalie passing to one of them :)
Lots of clubs doing that nowadays. We have on occasion too. I don’t really understand why it’s suddenly a fashion. If it ends up getting knocked long and coming back then those two players are playing everyone onside.
Due to the rule change that allows players to come into the area for goalkicks and get possession. Theory being you suck their forwards in which should create space in the midfield.
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Goal kicks were mentioned on football heaven 2 players in the box goalie passing to one of them :)
Lots of clubs doing that nowadays. We have on occasion too. I don’t really understand why it’s suddenly a fashion. If it ends up getting knocked long and coming back then those two players are playing everyone onside.
It's a response to the organised banks of defence that were perfected in the 2010s.
Play it well, as we did in the first half of 20/21, and you draw the press onto you, then hit hard with quick accurate passes into the space created between the opposition front line and midfield.
We won several games last year doing that. But it needs players like Whiteman and Sims (when fit) and Richards to work.
The most impressive thing about our performance today was that we were disciplined enough to let MK play that tactic, without drawing us in and losing our shape too much. So for all their possession, they rarely were able to find gaps between our lines.
EDIT. Sorry DBR, I hadn't read your post when I sent this one.
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Not sure it's the case now but remember losing to us often resulted in a manager losing their job. Potentially that was more a championship thing but would be very sweet if it was the case with Moore.
Paul Hart at Barnsley springs to mind after they refused to get changed in the changing room at OBV and got ready on their team coach. We spanked them heavily (4-0 IIRC) and he was sacked by the morning after.
I think PDX Rover called him a "cheap-shoed bas**rd" and that made me laugh a lot.
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Not sure it's the case now but remember losing to us often resulted in a manager losing their job. Potentially that was more a championship thing but would be very sweet if it was the case with Moore.
Paul Hart at Barnsley springs to mind after they refused to get changed in the changing room at OBV and got ready on their team coach. We spanked them heavily (4-0 IIRC) and he was sacked by the morning after.
I think PDX Rover called him a "cheap-shoed bas**rd" and that made me laugh a lot.
Was that the same game where Doolan scored a belter and then got right in Paul Hart's face as part of his celebration, just to add insult to injury? All over him crocking McPhail in the prior fixture at Oakwell wasn't it? Loved Doolan, loved those days.
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Well yes we are in bottom place, how bad we are, not sure that is actually true.
No one has comprehensively beaten us in the league.
It is small margins. In the games we have lost the scores have been 1-0, 2-1 and 2-0 at worst.
In the game we lost 2-0 to Wednesday we were the better team for most of the match.
We are improving gradually as the team get to know each other and start gelling.
I am still very confident we will turn it round and why not tonight at a faltering Ipswich.
A couple of consecutive wins and we will be up and running.
We were better than Wednesday for almost the whole of the first half, due to one player, Bostock, ran the show.
And you know why that was the case, because not one Wednesday player bothered to try and close him down. There was always 10 yards of space in front of him so he could do what he wanted and he did spray the ball around with some great passing. He never moved more than 10 yards in front of his own back 4.
Same at Rotherham. Sat deep plenty of space to pass the ball. 2nd half not in the game because they stood on him.
2nd half in both games they got wise to it and he was anonymous. Close him down and he struggles.
But that would have been his remit, sit there & dictate play, & that's exactly what he did, as he did first half on Saturday, getting us up the pitch, tracking back, & breaking up play. Wednesday were better all over the pitch second half, as were MK, so it wasn't just stopping Bostock playing. You can also see he is still not 100% yet.
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Scraping a draw against Mansfield Papa John