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Title: Levelling up
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 20, 2021, 01:05:45 pm
£1.1bn for a project that resulted in two new tube stations in London.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-58621491

£18bn spent on Crossrail.

Crossrail 2 going ahead at an estimated £30-40bn.

And up here?
HS2 cancelled.
HS3 still at chattering stage.
East Mids mainline electrification postponed indefinitely.
South Yorks - Manchester motorway vaguely talked about as something for the second half of the century.

Levelling up, eh? Got a f**king long way to go.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on September 20, 2021, 10:28:53 pm
Looks like 'Levelling up' was just another aid to sales from the tories, get into government and make it up as you go along.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on October 22, 2021, 10:15:08 pm
Doncaster, back on the agenda again, levelling up two years after the promise, if you can eat a white paper, hang on it's coming.

''Levelling up: What does it mean for people in Yorkshire?''

The Labour mayors of West and South Yorkshire have warned that the Conservative's "levelling up" campaign needs to be more than just a slogan.

''Since appearing in the party's 2019 election-winning manifesto, the term has featured heavily in press releases, sound bites, interviews and social media posts.

Ahead of the Autumn Budget on Wednesday, BBC Yorkshire's Political Editor James Vincent takes a look to see if it's having any impact on the region and what it might mean in the long-term.

Levelling up was a huge deal during the 2019 General Election, helping the Conservatives win seats in Doncaster and Rotherham that they'd never won before.''

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-58985251

It's as vague as what brexit meant apparently.

Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: River Don on October 22, 2021, 11:11:50 pm
Whatever way you look at it there has been for a longtime a massive bias towards the south east.

Perhaps that's not so bad, so long as there is the opportunity for Northerners to move south.

Maybe the North is done? Maybe the rescources are gone? Maybe?

I'm not trying to provoke. It's just an observation.

And if that is reality, how does the North progress now?

The only reason I say this, is I know so many people who have moved South.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: Bentley Bullet on October 23, 2021, 12:00:28 am
RD, wouldn't you think the North/South divide would have evened up a little after nigh on half a century of being a member of the European block?
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 23, 2021, 12:21:34 am
RD, wouldn't you think the North/South divide would have evened up a little after nigh on half a century of being a member of the European block?

Theresa limited amount that membership of the EU can do to counteract sovereign domestic policies. But it can do something.

By the late 1990s, after a generation of the Tories being in power, South Yorkshire was one of the poorest regions in the whole EU. Which is why the EU gave us Objective One status and poured European money into our economy. That's why we got the Frenchgate Centre for example. And direct support to 11,000 businesses in South Yorkshire.

By the late 2000s, with £2.5bn of EU funds, supported by investment from the Labour Govt, South Yorkshire was well out of the list of poorest areas.

Then...Tory Austerity. And guess what? By 2020, we were back in the poorest group, and would have received £3.3bm from EU rich areas if we hadn't told them to shove it.

But sovereignty, eh? Doubtless, now that we've taken back control, Whitehall will be pouring money into South Yorkshire again...
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: River Don on October 23, 2021, 12:39:23 am
RD, wouldn't you think the North/South divide would have evened up a little after nigh on half a century of being a member of the European block?

I don't know.

I think the underlying problem is the North had a vast wealth of rescources, that helped spark the industrial revolution. But when that wealth diminished, because those rescources were becoming uncompetitive... Then what's left?

Geographically the area loses out. If it's better connected, then it might do a bit better. But it's not going to regain anything like its past glory I don't think. It was a moment in time.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on October 23, 2021, 01:39:25 am
For a long time in 'the north' lower earnings were offset by lower property prices, it didn't help much with social mobility as you couldn't sell a home around Donny and buy down south. Since property prices have outstripped wages all that has gone. Faster train services if unreliable and expensive put parts of 'the north' within commuter distance of the capital, again not helped when those south of the rio grand (watford gap servo) thought it was a good idea too.

All up it's going to be a busy time with thousands of coppers and nurses still to hired, 40 hospitals to be built, NHS to be funded and high wages for everyone. Oh and levelling up.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: BigH on October 23, 2021, 09:34:29 am
RD, wouldn't you think the North/South divide would have evened up a little after nigh on half a century of being a member of the European block?
You would and it was actually starting to happen as Objective One money was earmarked from the EU.

However Rees-Mogg and his nutty mates didn't like this one jot. For pretty obvious reasons. That's another reason why he's so pleased with the Brexit outcome. The control of the purse strings and which regions get what is now firmly with the UK Government. If you're a solid Labour-voting area you'll get diddly squat.

Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: wilts rover on October 23, 2021, 01:22:17 pm
What does levelling up mean to you?

To the Dept of Levelling Up it means assisting people to purchase a £9.5 million penthouse in Battersea:

https://twitter.com/AydinDikerdem/status/1451506455127920640
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: Metalmicky on October 23, 2021, 07:46:04 pm
This might help with the leveling up...... ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59017503
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: tyke1962 on October 23, 2021, 08:35:18 pm
Expecting any government to level up whether they be Tory or Labour is  in all honesty laughable .

The only way to get a fair piece of the crust respective to the sector you work in is through collectivism or joining a trade union .

There's a pretty solid reason London Tube Drivers get £60k plus per anum
and that's because the vast majority of em are members of the RMT .

Nobody in the Tory and very few in the  Labour party cares about the poorly paid .

They never have including Wilson , Callaghan and Blair .

Don't look to politicians to improve your lot you need to do that yourselves .
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: BigH on October 23, 2021, 08:39:35 pm
This might help with the leveling up...... ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59017503
It will but the big question that's still to be answered is when will there be a high speed rail link that broadly tracks the M62 corridor from Liverpool to Hull?

It would lead to a northern conurbation roughly on a par with the S East.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: tyke1962 on October 23, 2021, 09:37:48 pm
Burnham's just got a billion quid tonight for Manchester according to what I've read tonight .
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 23, 2021, 09:46:19 pm
This might help with the leveling up...... ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59017503

Compare that to what has already been agreed for Crossrail 2 alone.

£33bn.

London gets two state of the art underground railway lines. South Yorkshire gets a new roundabout in Barnsley and investment in a tram system used by under 3% of the SY population.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 23, 2021, 09:50:01 pm
Don't get me wrong. This is better than nothing. But when all the current investment is over, public transport in SY will be even further behind that in London than it is now.

That's not "levelling up". It's "Pulling further apart".
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: drfchound on October 23, 2021, 10:23:49 pm
If ever HS2 ever gets up to Yorkshire that will be another project that gets used by something like 3% of the SY population.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: tyke1962 on October 23, 2021, 11:08:28 pm
If ever HS2 ever gets up to Yorkshire that will be another project that gets used by something like 3% of the SY population.

Absolutely totally correct Hound .

The workers in your town who clock on at Amazon won't benefit directly one bit .

Same argument as free movement within the EU .

The capability to earn a living in the EU and enjoy all the trappings was limited to a very small percentage .

But lets not talk about class as it's the truth that isn't allowed to speak it's name .

Sat in your dining room working from home on a lap top is totally different to having to go in to work on a bus or train to do a shift at a care home or an Amazon facility with covid 19 around .

Nobody cares Hound with the two major party's .

Levelling up ?

I'm afraid the real people will have to do that themselves .

Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: Filo on October 23, 2021, 11:21:02 pm
If ever HS2 ever gets up to Yorkshire that will be another project that gets used by something like 3% of the SY population.

Absolutely totally correct Hound .

The workers in your town who clock on at Amazon won't benefit directly one bit .

Same argument as free movement within the EU .

The capability to earn a living in the EU and enjoy all the trappings was limited to a very small percentage .

But lets not talk about class as it's the truth that isn't allowed to speak it's name .

Sat in your dining room working from home on a lap top is totally different to having to go in to work on a bus or train to do a shift at a care home or an Amazon facility with covid 19 around .

Nobody cares Hound with the two major party's .

Levelling up ?

I'm afraid the real people will have to do that themselves .



If you get a bus to work at amazon at the iport, its at least a 20 minute walk to the furthest warehouse, there are no bus stops anywhere at the iport
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on October 23, 2021, 11:25:26 pm
Aim low, then you'll never be disappointed.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: Sprotyrover on October 23, 2021, 11:33:57 pm
If ever HS2 ever gets up to Yorkshire that will be another project that gets used by something like 3% of the SY population.

Absolutely totally correct Hound .

The workers in your town who clock on at Amazon won't benefit directly one bit .

Same argument as free movement within the EU .

The capability to earn a living in the EU and enjoy all the trappings was limited to a very small percentage .

But lets not talk about class as it's the truth that isn't allowed to speak it's name .

Sat in your dining room working from home on a lap top is totally different to having to go in to work on a bus or train to do a shift at a care home or an Amazon facility with covid 19 around .

Nobody cares Hound with the two major party's .

Levelling up ?

I'm afraid the real people will have to do that themselves .


Surely that's an issue for Amazon, I doubt the VW workforce internal transport system is Government funded!
Just look up Volkswagen Karrie then start slagging off Bezzos rather than Boris!
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: tyke1962 on October 23, 2021, 11:57:42 pm
If ever HS2 ever gets up to Yorkshire that will be another project that gets used by something like 3% of the SY population.

Absolutely totally correct Hound .

The workers in your town who clock on at Amazon won't benefit directly one bit .

Same argument as free movement within the EU .

The capability to earn a living in the EU and enjoy all the trappings was limited to a very small percentage .

But lets not talk about class as it's the truth that isn't allowed to speak it's name .

Sat in your dining room working from home on a lap top is totally different to having to go in to work on a bus or train to do a shift at a care home or an Amazon facility with covid 19 around .

Nobody cares Hound with the two major party's .

Levelling up ?

I'm afraid the real people will have to do that themselves .


Surely that's an issue for Amazon, I doubt the VW workforce internal transport system is Government funded!
Just look up Volkswagen Karrie then start slagging off Bezzos rather than Boris!

In as much as it was an issue for Morgan Stanley , JP Morgan or Citigroup in Canary Wharf to contribute towards The Docklands Light Railway you mean ?
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on October 24, 2021, 12:26:18 am
I remember not so long ago many telling me that rail was never a good substitute for trucks to get containers off the roads, my argument was that the bulk of containers should be moved by rail and only the last bit by road. It saves building endless roads and leaves roads free for those without options. iport, I see only needs a fork trucks to move containers the last bit.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: Sprotyrover on October 24, 2021, 01:06:50 pm
I believe that was the idea behind inland rail ports, but the transport industry is so ingrained in moving stuff by road it's a joke, during the Second World War the roads were so poor that something like 80% of all goods went by Sea on the massive fleet of small coasters that existed hence the massive air and sea battles off The Kentish Coast. Then we turn to roads!
A few years ago it was mooted that it would make sense to load all of the containers which arrive at Felixstowe and Southampton, which have been at Sea for months onto same coasters and transport then virtually anywhere in the country via our excellent Canal Network.
The Don can take Euro Barges up to 700 tons as far as Rotherham and 400 tons up to Sheffield.
220 feet long by 20 feet wide. I bet that about 20 Containers on each barge.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: roversdude on October 24, 2021, 04:01:09 pm
Think the i port  is getting a new bridge for the bus service that’ll be all we get
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: scawsby steve on October 24, 2021, 08:40:14 pm
I believe that was the idea behind inland rail ports, but the transport industry is so ingrained in moving stuff by road it's a joke, during the Second World War the roads were so poor that something like 80% of all goods went by Sea on the massive fleet of small coasters that existed hence the massive air and sea battles off The Kentish Coast. Then we turn to roads!
A few years ago it was mooted that it would make sense to load all of the containers which arrive at Felixstowe and Southampton, which have been at Sea for months onto same coasters and transport then virtually anywhere in the country via our excellent Canal Network.
The Don can take Euro Barges up to 700 tons as far as Rotherham and 400 tons up to Sheffield.
220 feet long by 20 feet wide. I bet that about 20 Containers on each barge.

You're right about our excellent canal network.

BB and Wolfie were telling me about the time when the barges were pulled by horses.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on October 24, 2021, 09:23:32 pm
Containers could be floated up and the tow path used once again
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: River Don on October 24, 2021, 09:30:29 pm
There's a tanker that goes up the river Don regularly, carrying some sort of fuel I guess. That's the only real commercial traffic using it at the moment.

Tesco use the Manchester ship canal I believe.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on October 24, 2021, 10:12:00 pm
Burnley, not fc but just add a few more letters and you'll get the idea. I would think that there are areas large and small like this across the country. When Sunak brings down his budget have a think whether or not people the circumstances such as this will be helped.

''He has also seen a striking increase in alcoholism. “That’s due to the pandemic. Many, many people have lost money and relationships and businesses because of Covid. And the timeframe between when help’s needed and when people might get it – in that gap, people die. That’s something we see more of.”''

''“Because of the way things are sometimes portrayed and the way people think about the current prime minister, we think that they’ve been in power for two years,” he says. “But when they talk about levelling up … well, what we actually want are things that they took away.”''

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/oct/24/weve-been-hammered-on-the-breadline-in-burnley-covid-universal-credit
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on October 24, 2021, 10:49:59 pm
Thinking about the article I posted above about Burnley a good line for labour to throw at the tories would be ........... Build back what you broke!
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on November 02, 2021, 11:25:14 am
Thinking about the article I posted above about Burnley a good line for labour to throw at the tories would be ........... Build back what you broke!

And on the subject of building back what you broke ...............

''‘Levelling Up’ Fund Gives £1.25 Billion to Areas that Have Lost £25.5 Billion''
Sam Bright, Byline Times, 29 October 2021

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/10/29/levelling-up-fund-gives-1-25-billion-to-areas-that-have-lost-25-5-billion/
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 02, 2021, 12:37:58 pm
It does have a feeling of an abusive relationship. A man regularly slaps his wife about for a decade, then buys her fish and chips and she's supposed to think he has changed.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: wilts rover on November 02, 2021, 05:00:28 pm
This is from a parody twitter account:

Proud to announce we are levelling up the UK with a £2.6 billion fund which replaces the £4.5 billion fund you were getting from the EU. This means we are funding poorer regions to the tune of a whopping minus £1.9 billion! Isn't this brilliant?

https://twitter.com/GetBrexit_Done/status/1455289891579998213

Although as we now know, its not even all going to the poorer regions - quite a bit has been allocated to wealthy areas with connections to Tory ministers.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on November 12, 2021, 10:50:24 pm
Looks as though the government is in the dark as much as everyone else, I hope no one voted for it.

''Michael Gove's plan to end levelling-up confusion''

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-59259338
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: Metalmicky on January 30, 2022, 12:52:16 am
something happening.....?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60183453
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on January 30, 2022, 01:20:29 am
No nothing happening ........?

''Conservatives accused of ‘levelling up’ stunt to save Boris Johnson’s job''

''But after the Observer contacted senior sources at the Treasury to ask if its ministers had signed off on the promised £1.5bn, Gove’s department backtracked and confessed that the “new” fund was not new money at all but would be made up of levelling-up funds that had been announced by the chancellor, Rishi Sunak, in his spending review last autumn''

aw-shucks

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/conservatives-accused-of-levelling-up-stunt-to-save-boris-johnsons-job

Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on February 04, 2022, 03:28:57 am
To start levelling up this government first needs to get back to where it started back in 1979.

Since 2010 the number of emergency food parcels distributed by Trussell Trust food banks has risen from just over 40,000 to well over one and a half million – an increase of 3,900% in just 9 years.

https://www.charity-works.co.uk/food-bank-britain/#:~:text=Since%202010%20the%20number%20of,3%2C900%25%20in%20just%209%20years.

HoC library

Food Banks in the UK

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8585/
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: KeithMyath on February 04, 2022, 08:14:41 am
Levelling up here in Cornwall or atleast parity to what the EU was handing over. Means this EU money average last 10 years , 106 million a year first year Cornwall applied to the initial Community Renewal Fund requesting the maximum 3 million and got 1 million. So 1 million instead of 106 million. Sunak and co said Cornwall would not lose out and so did the local conservative MPs here. Said it would be a mixture of levelling up and replacement EU money. No money has been given to Cornwall for levelling up, not a penny.

Shared Prosperity Fund, which is set to replace the Community Renewal Fund from 2022 has a maximum amount of 400 million going forward a year. For Cornwall to have parity with EU payments before Brexit. They would need roughly 25% of that pot every year. Never going to happen. It's expected to bring in lest than 20 million based on the share Cornwall got for the entire UK as it did from the EU.

So 20 million instead of 106 million a year, how is that levelling up. Already my local leisure centre is closing as has out local ambulance station. It's dire. Especially for those on low incomes who benefited the most from Council services who were struggling prior to Brexit, add the cost of living, the house prices up by 50 % in some areas and you can see why Cornwall is becoming a ghost town of holiday homes.

Must be the same all over the country, lied to our faces and they are still in power.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on February 04, 2022, 08:48:50 am
I'm sure someone will be along soon to explain why Keith.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: tyke1962 on February 04, 2022, 06:05:11 pm
To start levelling up this government first needs to get back to where it started back in 1979.

Since 2010 the number of emergency food parcels distributed by Trussell Trust food banks has risen from just over 40,000 to well over one and a half million – an increase of 3,900% in just 9 years.

https://www.charity-works.co.uk/food-bank-britain/#:~:text=Since%202010%20the%20number%20of,3%2C900%25%20in%20just%209%20years.

HoC library

Food Banks in the UK

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8585/

You've taken out the years between 1997 and 2010 Sydney .

You did say we need to go back to 1979 didn't you ? .
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: drfchound on February 04, 2022, 06:49:20 pm
To start levelling up this government first needs to get back to where it started back in 1979.

Since 2010 the number of emergency food parcels distributed by Trussell Trust food banks has risen from just over 40,000 to well over one and a half million – an increase of 3,900% in just 9 years.

https://www.charity-works.co.uk/food-bank-britain/#:~:text=Since%202010%20the%20number%20of,3%2C900%25%20in%20just%209%20years.

HoC library

Food Banks in the UK

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8585/

You've taken out the years between 1997 and 2010 Sydney .

You did say we need to go back to 1979 didn't you ? .

I can’t imagine why he might have done that?
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on February 04, 2022, 07:06:30 pm
To start levelling up this government first needs to get back to where it started back in 1979.

Since 2010 the number of emergency food parcels distributed by Trussell Trust food banks has risen from just over 40,000 to well over one and a half million – an increase of 3,900% in just 9 years.

https://www.charity-works.co.uk/food-bank-britain/#:~:text=Since%202010%20the%20number%20of,3%2C900%25%20in%20just%209%20years.

HoC library

Food Banks in the UK

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8585/

You've taken out the years between 1997 and 2010 Sydney .

You did say we need to go back to 1979 didn't you ? .

My mistake Albie. tyke
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on February 04, 2022, 07:10:50 pm
Tyke.

There's no point looking at food Bank data from 1997-2010 because food banks barely existed then.

THE biggest success of the Blair and Brown Govts was that they lifted more people out of poverty than any other Govt in our history. It is a stain in the nation that that success has been so massively overturned since 2010.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: tyke1962 on February 04, 2022, 08:10:55 pm
Tyke.

There's no point looking at food Bank data from 1997-2010 because food banks barely existed then.

THE biggest success of the Blair and Brown Govts was that they lifted more people out of poverty than any other Govt in our history. It is a stain in the nation that that success has been so massively overturned since 2010.

I wasn't the one analysing food bank data Billy .

I just observed 13 years that weren't accounted for in Sydney's research .
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on February 04, 2022, 08:58:34 pm
Levelling up here in Cornwall or atleast parity to what the EU was handing over. Means this EU money average last 10 years , 106 million a year first year Cornwall applied to the initial Community Renewal Fund requesting the maximum 3 million and got 1 million. So 1 million instead of 106 million. Sunak and co said Cornwall would not lose out and so did the local conservative MPs here. Said it would be a mixture of levelling up and replacement EU money. No money has been given to Cornwall for levelling up, not a penny.

Shared Prosperity Fund, which is set to replace the Community Renewal Fund from 2022 has a maximum amount of 400 million going forward a year. For Cornwall to have parity with EU payments before Brexit. They would need roughly 25% of that pot every year. Never going to happen. It's expected to bring in lest than 20 million based on the share Cornwall got for the entire UK as it did from the EU.

So 20 million instead of 106 million a year, how is that levelling up. Already my local leisure centre is closing as has out local ambulance station. It's dire. Especially for those on low incomes who benefited the most from Council services who were struggling prior to Brexit, add the cost of living, the house prices up by 50 % in some areas and you can see why Cornwall is becoming a ghost town of holiday homes.

Must be the same all over the country, lied to our faces and they are still in power.

The forgotten other parts, This headline goes to what you are saying Keith ................. we don't hear much from the pointy bit and I assume many think that it's all lovely and Rick Sein down there.

''The Tories won’t ‘level up’ the north while they’re in thrall to London''

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/04/tories-level-up-north-london-michael-gove
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: River Don on February 04, 2022, 09:01:38 pm
Tyke.

There's no point looking at food Bank data from 1997-2010 because food banks barely existed then.

THE biggest success of the Blair and Brown Govts was that they lifted more people out of poverty than any other Govt in our history. It is a stain in the nation that that success has been so massively overturned since 2010.

There are now more food banks than McDonalds.

Let that sink in.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: River Don on February 04, 2022, 09:06:04 pm
Are we all ready to listen to the BoE and embrace big real terms wage cuts to keep inflation under control then?
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: tyke1962 on February 04, 2022, 09:16:27 pm
There are some massively selective memories going on right now on this topic .

I remember only too well the amount of charity shops that opened in Barnsley town centre and the surrounding villages , Wombwell and Hoyland were and still are full of them .

I remember how popular the second hand market was on Barnsley Market on a Tuesday , there were more people there than on a normal market day .

Funny thing is we had a Labour government at the time .

Funny old world isn't it ?
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on February 04, 2022, 09:30:32 pm
You didn't open the link I posted yesterday then tyke? look at the graph

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8585/
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: tyke1962 on February 04, 2022, 09:39:46 pm
You didn't open the link I posted yesterday then tyke? look at the graph

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8585/

You can put up what you want Sydney , knock yourself out kiddo .

Where as I have lived a life in my town and seen it with my own eyes .
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on February 04, 2022, 09:41:15 pm
you tories are all the same
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on February 04, 2022, 09:45:20 pm
Don't give me facts. I've got opinions!
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: tyke1962 on February 04, 2022, 09:55:37 pm
Don't give me facts. I've got opinions!

What could be more factual than actually seeing it with your own eyes Billy ?

I don't dispute faith in the markets produces winners .

My concerns aren't ever about the winners who by definition don't need anyone to look out for them .

My concerns are about the losers and will always be so .

Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on February 04, 2022, 09:59:07 pm
As far as food banks go you have false memory syndrome tyke
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: tyke1962 on February 04, 2022, 09:59:59 pm
you tories are all the same

It's uncomfortable isn't it but none the less you need to be reminded of it .

You didn't lose the red wall because of Brexit , you lost it way way before that because basically you couldn't give a feck about towns like Barnsley .

That's a fact .
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: tyke1962 on February 04, 2022, 10:01:45 pm
As far as food banks go you have false memory syndrome tyke

How would you know ?
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on February 04, 2022, 10:03:43 pm
because it's all on your say so, unsupported is all
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: tyke1962 on February 04, 2022, 10:17:44 pm
because it's all on your say so, unsupported is all

Actually not my say so Sydney .

Take a look at the votes lost from the Labour Party from 97 to 2010 in the red wall towns .

Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on February 04, 2022, 10:22:05 pm
now you are being silly tyke
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: tyke1962 on February 04, 2022, 11:39:04 pm
now you are being silly tyke

You've got a competitive vote share currently and in history because you aren't Thatcher/ Major  or Johnson today .

But you've never changed the country in a way that's badly needed in my opinion .

Your complicit in today's shyte show , you've had a massive hand in It .

You aren't the Tories but you need to have a seriously good look at yourselves .

Your the next best thing as in  Crewe have more league points than a in a Rovers kind of way .

The foodbanks won't be subsided , the charity shops and second hand markets will do brisk business .

The Labour Party will be in power .

You'd hardly know the difference other than a credible liar replacing one who is not .



Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on February 04, 2022, 11:56:28 pm
but nothing at all to do with the numbers of food banks, which begs the question how good are you as a reliable witness?
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on February 05, 2022, 08:34:39 am
Oops

''BARNSLEY town centre's first food bank is set to open its doors to people in crisis.

The bank will be distributing food every Thursday from 11am to 1pm at Gateway Church, Mottram Hall, on Mottram Street.

People using the service need a voucher available from Barnsley Citizens' Advice Bureau, Berneslai Homes, Barnsley Council's Connexions service or the council's Homeless Prevention Service''

18/02/2013

https://www.wearebarnsley.com/news/1691/food-bank-opens-its-doors
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: tyke1962 on February 05, 2022, 10:02:05 am
Oops

''BARNSLEY town centre's first food bank is set to open its doors to people in crisis.

The bank will be distributing food every Thursday from 11am to 1pm at Gateway Church, Mottram Hall, on Mottram Street.

People using the service need a voucher available from Barnsley Citizens' Advice Bureau, Berneslai Homes, Barnsley Council's Connexions service or the council's Homeless Prevention Service''

18/02/2013

https://www.wearebarnsley.com/news/1691/food-bank-opens-its-doors

My dear Sydney if a town's economy is strong it doesn't see a growth in charity shops , second hand markets , budget supermarkets , Poundshops and race to the bottom jobs .

All of which opened by the week during the Blair and Brown years .

Poverty isn't totally defined by food banks and poverty didn't begin in Barnsley in 2013 .

It's always existed and didn't stop during the years 1997 to 2010 .
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on February 05, 2022, 10:33:07 am
''One of the earliest known charity shops in the United Kingdom was set up by the Wolverhampton Society for the Blind (now called the Beacon Centre for the Blind) in 1899 to sell goods made by blind people to raise money for the Society''

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charity_shop

feckin labour
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: Colin C No.3 on February 05, 2022, 11:31:01 am
The Secretary for Levelling Up.

Given Goves’s past dabbling with coke, wouldn’t a more apt title for him be The Secretary for Lining Up?
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on May 02, 2022, 12:08:52 am
''The United Kingdom is an unparalleled success story – a multi-cultural,
multi-national, multi-ethnic state with the world’s best broadcaster; a vibrantly
creative arts sector; a National Health Service which guarantees care for every
citizen; charities and voluntary groups which perform a million acts of kindness
daily; globally renowned scientists extending the boundaries of knowledge
every year; entrepreneurs developing the products and services which bring joy
and jobs to so many; and millions of citizens whose kindness and compassion
has been so powerfully displayed during the COVID-19 pandemic.''

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Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: drfchound on May 02, 2022, 12:12:18 am
Hard to understand why some people wouldn’t want to live here.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on May 02, 2022, 12:14:49 am
What does levelling up mean to you?

The depth of the shit we're in.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on May 02, 2022, 12:24:43 am
That is the opening paragraph to the executive summary of the Levelling Up white paper.

The tory party championing all the bits they are trying to destroy.

''a multi-cultural, multi-national, multi-ethnic state''

If it's so good why the culture wars, Windrush and brexit?

''the world’s best broadcaster''

Then why are you breaking it up and selling it off?

a National Health Service which guarantees care for every citizen.

If you live long enough! If it's so good why has it been starved of funding for most of the time since 2010 well short staffed and waiting lists the length of the country?

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Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on May 02, 2022, 12:31:32 am
This contemporary Medici model, our twenty-frst century recipe for a new
Industrial Revolution, depends on harnessing an array of interventions and
catalysing a range of sectors. Levelling up will require us to:

a. boost productivity, pay, jobs and living standards by growing the private
sector, especially in those places where they are lagging;

b. spread opportunities and improve public services, especially in those places
where they are weakest;

c. restore a sense of community, local pride and belonging, especially in those
places where they have been lost; and

d. empower local leaders and communities, especially in those places lacking
local agency

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Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on May 02, 2022, 01:03:47 am
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To the casual observer the last 12 years or so may look like we have been trying to wreck the joint, but that's just our way of tearing it down so we can rebuild it in our image.

Remember, if you want us to complete what we started be sure to get out and vote on Thursday.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: River Don on May 02, 2022, 08:23:46 am
Hard to understand why some people wouldn’t want to live here.

The shite weather?
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: drfchound on May 02, 2022, 02:38:09 pm
Hard to understand why some people wouldn’t want to live here.

The shite weather?

It’s England RD.
If you don’t like English weather, just hang on a minute.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: i_ateallthepies on May 02, 2022, 05:35:05 pm
"If you don't like English weather, just hang on a minute" and you'll get some more English weather.  Your contributions to debate, Hound are Leg-endary.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: drfchound on May 02, 2022, 05:45:48 pm
"If you don't like English weather, just hang on a minute" and you'll get some more English weather.  Your contributions to debate, Hound are Leg-endary.

You would enjoy life more if you hadn’t had your sense of humour bypass.
I feel so sorry for you.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: i_ateallthepies on May 02, 2022, 09:34:25 pm
Nowt wrong with my sense of humour, Hound.  It's just your idea of humour that doesn't cut it.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: normal rules on May 02, 2022, 09:44:52 pm
Hard to understand why some people wouldn’t want to live here.

The shite weather?

We are blessed with a temperate climate in the uk.
We get a bit of everything granted. Sometimes when it’s not welcome.
I’ve just spent the weekend in North Norfolk.
Glorious spring weather. So much so I got burnt whilst out walking.
Fields full of flowering rape seed.
Big blue skies.
Light sea breezes.

The press will be moaning at the end of the month it’s been too dry.


Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: Bentley Bullet on May 02, 2022, 09:57:28 pm
Sunny and warm with no rain in Bentley yesterday. I was expecting a hosepipe ban today.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: drfchound on May 02, 2022, 10:01:51 pm
Nowt wrong with my sense of humour, Hound.  It's just your idea of humour that doesn't cut it.

Maybe not to you but having read some of your trolling of my posts I can understand why you don’t find many things funny.
You are one very serious boy.
Plenty of other posters understand.
Anyway, we are all different aren’t we.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: Bentley Bullet on May 02, 2022, 10:10:55 pm
Don't worry Hound, he seems to diss-pies my material too!
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on May 02, 2022, 11:51:10 pm
Sunny and warm with no rain in Bentley yesterday. I was expecting a hosepipe ban today.

balmy most of the time
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on May 09, 2022, 06:19:20 am
I read in the Guardian there was some grilled moggy on the menu in Andrew Neil's new talk show where the cost of living got a guernsey.
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: ravenrover on May 09, 2022, 08:24:09 am
Did anyone watch Neil v Smogg? We are away with no tv
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on May 09, 2022, 09:09:50 am
I watched a clip of it on youtube Raven
Title: Re: Levelling up
Post by: SydneyRover on May 10, 2022, 06:47:53 am
the Queen refuses to compromise herself and shoves the right-charlie out with a pointed stick

''In a move to reinstate measures thrown out by the House of Lords in January, the government will announce new offences to stop protesters from “locking on” to infrastructure, extend stop and search powers, and make it illegal to obstruct transport projects''

Does this mean they will hand themselves in to the nearest copshop over HS2?