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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: tyke1962 on September 26, 2021, 10:12:39 am
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Is Angela Rayner right to use those kind of words when talking about a Tory government placing economically challenged people in to yet more difficulty ?
In my opinion given what we know about how this government has spent taxpayers money and who has received it then parliamentary and political speak doesn't work for me .
This isn't some idle comment , the evidence is pretty clear .
This Tory government have given millions of pounds of taxpayers money to their donors and supporters with absolutely nothing back to the UK taxpayer in return whilst cutting universal credit .
Just exactly are you supposed to sugar coat that ? .
This isn't some Oxford University debating society this is real life ffs .
Comments like this demonstrate that Rayner is on the side of economically challenged people in society and that goes a long way with me .
The only wrong here is the actions of a government which led to such robust comments .
Every action leads to a reaction .
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Is Angela Rayner right to use those kind of words when talking about a Tory government placing economically challenged people in to yet more difficulty ?
In my opinion given what we know about how this government has spent taxpayers money and who has received it then parliamentary and political speak doesn't work for me .
This isn't some idle comment , the evidence is pretty clear .
This Tory government have given millions of pounds of taxpayers money to their donors and supporters with absolutely nothing back to the UK taxpayer in return whilst cutting universal credit .
Just exactly are you supposed to sugar coat that ? .
This isn't some Oxford University debating society this is real life ffs .
Comments like this demonstrate that Rayner is on the side of economically challenged people in society and that goes a long way with me .
The only wrong here is the actions of a government which led to such robust comments .
Every action leads to a reaction .
Yet you are still prepared to abstain your vote to enable them to carry on!
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Very strong reaction and passionate, which passion is severely lacking from current leadership. I agree with the comments but will it push away moderate voters?
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Is Angela Rayner right to use those kind of words when talking about a Tory government placing economically challenged people in to yet more difficulty ?
In my opinion given what we know about how this government has spent taxpayers money and who has received it then parliamentary and political speak doesn't work for me .
This isn't some idle comment , the evidence is pretty clear .
This Tory government have given millions of pounds of taxpayers money to their donors and supporters with absolutely nothing back to the UK taxpayer in return whilst cutting universal credit .
Just exactly are you supposed to sugar coat that ? .
This isn't some Oxford University debating society this is real life ffs .
Comments like this demonstrate that Rayner is on the side of economically challenged people in society and that goes a long way with me .
The only wrong here is the actions of a government which led to such robust comments .
Every action leads to a reaction .
Yet you are still prepared to abstain your vote to enable them to carry on!
Keith says he wouldn't have made those comments .
You not see the position that places me in ?
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I am quite prepared to believe that not all Tory members or voters are scum. In fact in the actual video she does specifically say Etonian ones.
I am also prepared to believe that not all Tory voters supported their decision to stop funding free school meals during a pandemic and reduce universal credit for the poorest in society in a time of rising inflation and massive fuel price hikes.
However some did. And you are judged by your actions. I doubt history will treat you well.
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Is Angela Rayner right to use those kind of words when talking about a Tory government placing economically challenged people in to yet more difficulty ?
In my opinion given what we know about how this government has spent taxpayers money and who has received it then parliamentary and political speak doesn't work for me .
This isn't some idle comment , the evidence is pretty clear .
This Tory government have given millions of pounds of taxpayers money to their donors and supporters with absolutely nothing back to the UK taxpayer in return whilst cutting universal credit .
Just exactly are you supposed to sugar coat that ? .
This isn't some Oxford University debating society this is real life ffs .
Comments like this demonstrate that Rayner is on the side of economically challenged people in society and that goes a long way with me .
The only wrong here is the actions of a government which led to such robust comments .
Every action leads to a reaction .
Yet you are still prepared to abstain your vote to enable them to carry on!
Keith says he wouldn't have made those comments .
You not see the position that places me in ?
The position you are in is the position you have chosen by choice, and that is to enable another Tory Govt by cutting your nose off to spite your face
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Her passion and honesty are commendable, she says what she thinks.
But, she wants to lead the party and country, does she think that kind of language is language that will enable her to meet those objectives? I'm not convinced they are.
For me she makes some valid points but has a far too shouty aggressive attitude and like it or not that makes her sound stupid.
The problem I have with her saying this is it bleeds in to the supporters and incites yet more division. Great for the tribal masses but as I said on a post yesterday, she doesn't need to attract filo or Sydney, she needs to attract people like me.
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Is Angela Rayner right to use those kind of words when talking about a Tory government placing economically challenged people in to yet more difficulty ?
In my opinion given what we know about how this government has spent taxpayers money and who has received it then parliamentary and political speak doesn't work for me .
This isn't some idle comment , the evidence is pretty clear .
This Tory government have given millions of pounds of taxpayers money to their donors and supporters with absolutely nothing back to the UK taxpayer in return whilst cutting universal credit .
Just exactly are you supposed to sugar coat that ? .
This isn't some Oxford University debating society this is real life ffs .
Comments like this demonstrate that Rayner is on the side of economically challenged people in society and that goes a long way with me .
The only wrong here is the actions of a government which led to such robust comments .
Every action leads to a reaction .
Yet you are still prepared to abstain your vote to enable them to carry on!
Keith says he wouldn't have made those comments .
You not see the position that places me in ?
The position you are in is the position you have chosen by choice, and that is to enable another Tory Govt by cutting your nose off to spite your face
As I keep repeating to support the direction the current Labour are taking in my world lends itself to agreeing with it and I can't do that .
It's not a great position to be in and I do accept to a certain degree what you and others say .
I can't do it anymore because as I say to vote for it is to agree with it .
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Her passion and honesty are commendable, she says what she thinks.
But, she wants to lead the party and country, does she think that kind of language is language that will enable her to meet those objectives? I'm not convinced they are.
For me she makes some valid points but has a far too shouty aggressive attitude and like it or not that makes her sound stupid.
The problem I have with her saying this is it bleeds in to the supporters and incites yet more division. Great for the tribal masses but as I said on a post yesterday, she doesn't need to attract filo or Sydney, she needs to attract people like me.
Would you accept that the choice of words could lead to the sections of society who feel excluded actually having the motivation to vote for her .
A choice of words they connect with rather than the usual empty vessel suspects .
Millions don't vote let's not forget .
Not saying I'm right but something to discuss none the less .
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Is Angela Rayner right to use those kind of words when talking about a Tory government placing economically challenged people in to yet more difficulty ?
In my opinion given what we know about how this government has spent taxpayers money and who has received it then parliamentary and political speak doesn't work for me .
This isn't some idle comment , the evidence is pretty clear .
This Tory government have given millions of pounds of taxpayers money to their donors and supporters with absolutely nothing back to the UK taxpayer in return whilst cutting universal credit .
Just exactly are you supposed to sugar coat that ? .
This isn't some Oxford University debating society this is real life ffs .
Comments like this demonstrate that Rayner is on the side of economically challenged people in society and that goes a long way with me .
The only wrong here is the actions of a government which led to such robust comments .
Every action leads to a reaction .
Yet you are still prepared to abstain your vote to enable them to carry on!
Keith says he wouldn't have made those comments .
You not see the position that places me in ?
The position you are in is the position you have chosen by choice, and that is to enable another Tory Govt by cutting your nose off to spite your face
As I keep repeating to support the direction the current Labour are taking in my world lends itself to agreeing with it and I can't do that .
It's not a great position to be in and I do accept to a certain degree what you and others say .
I can't do it anymore because as I say to vote for it is to agree with it .
Sometimes a choice may not be ideal, in those cases you sometimes have to grit your teeth and go with the lesser of the two evils, If we are all honest there’s never a perfect candidate that fits anyones perfect profile. I too am a trade unionist 15 years a GMB representative on the shop floor, over that time the biggest lesson I learned was the ability to compromise, even when sometimes those compromises were hard to swallow, doing it for the greater good of the people you represent. Again I put it to you that your abstained vote is by default a vote for the people that you lambasted inyour opening post, a vote to keep them in power, do you really want that?
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Her passion and honesty are commendable, she says what she thinks.
But, she wants to lead the party and country, does she think that kind of language is language that will enable her to meet those objectives? I'm not convinced they are.
For me she makes some valid points but has a far too shouty aggressive attitude and like it or not that makes her sound stupid.
The problem I have with her saying this is it bleeds in to the supporters and incites yet more division. Great for the tribal masses but as I said on a post yesterday, she doesn't need to attract filo or Sydney, she needs to attract people like me.
I commend her passion and the fact she's made a solid career for herself despite leaving school early but it's just some of the language she uses will alienate some people and like you say is too aggressive. She isn't electable but she is a better candidate than Starmer, which says a lot. For me the best hope Labour have is Andy Burnham, he has the passion, he's composed and he has the leadership needed. What's your thoughts on Burnham as being someone who is more center/center-right?
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Her passion and honesty are commendable, she says what she thinks.
But, she wants to lead the party and country, does she think that kind of language is language that will enable her to meet those objectives? I'm not convinced they are.
For me she makes some valid points but has a far too shouty aggressive attitude and like it or not that makes her sound stupid.
The problem I have with her saying this is it bleeds in to the supporters and incites yet more division. Great for the tribal masses but as I said on a post yesterday, she doesn't need to attract filo or Sydney, she needs to attract people like me.
Would you accept that the choice of words could lead to the sections of society who feel excluded actually having the motivation to vote for her .
A choice of words they connect with rather than the usual empty vessel suspects .
Millions don't vote let's not forget .
Not saying I'm right but something to discuss none the less .
The mix is too complicated for me to answer that I have to be honest, but has it ever worked before? We saw under Corbyn how the leadership's personalities can turn voters away and does that language strike as leader of the country? For me no but maybe you're right and it is enough to attract 40% of voters. I'm sceptical on that.
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‘We all hate Tory scum’ doesn’t have the same ring to it, or the same nationwide approval as ‘we all hate Leeds scum’.
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Andy Burnham? A fully fledged member of the absolute t**t club.
Personally i will never vote Labour every again in my lifetime due to the Covid stuff. I have been desperate for a party to support who actively opposes much of the nonsensical, irrational, hypocritical Covid measures illegally foisted upon us by the Tories throughout this pandemic. Yet Labour didn't oppose, they agreed with the Tories and even wanted more severe restrictions. Quite bizarre.
Personally i suffered mentally and physically due to the Tories Covid policies and our generally useless NHS that is mistakenly held up as some beacon of reverence, and i also saw my kid suffer needlessly. I won't be forgetting that lot in a hurry.
Tories and Labour will never get my vote. Ever.
Raynor at least is aggressive and passionate but like pretty much all politicians, if she ever 'made it', she'd end up bent as a nine bob note.
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Her passion and honesty are commendable, she says what she thinks.
But, she wants to lead the party and country, does she think that kind of language is language that will enable her to meet those objectives? I'm not convinced they are.
For me she makes some valid points but has a far too shouty aggressive attitude and like it or not that makes her sound stupid.
The problem I have with her saying this is it bleeds in to the supporters and incites yet more division. Great for the tribal masses but as I said on a post yesterday, she doesn't need to attract filo or Sydney, she needs to attract people like me.
I commend her passion and the fact she's made a solid career for herself despite leaving school early but it's just some of the language she uses will alienate some people and like you say is too aggressive. She isn't electable but she is a better candidate than Starmer, which says a lot. For me the best hope Labour have is Andy Burnham, he has the passion, he's composed and he has the leadership needed. What's your thoughts on Burnham as being someone who is more center/center-right?
I could be brought round to Burnham but I would have to be brought round as I say .
I'd be paying his leadership pitch with some attention to say the least .
He'd have to improve his leadership campaign from his first leadership attempt because he was walloped by Corbyn along with the other Blairite Liz Kendal .
His time as Mayor of Manchester and covid have increased his popularity no doubt .
I was also impressed with his work with the Hillsborough families .
I wouldn't dismiss him I'll say that .
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Burnham's entire career has been WAY to the right of Starmer.
What exactly DO you want? Just someone who speaks with a northern accent?
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Burnham's entire career has been WAY to the right of Starmer.
What exactly DO you want? Just someone who speaks with a northern accent?
What part of brought round with a leadership campaign aren't you understanding ?
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If Rayner wants to privately say or think that the Tories (or certain ones) are scum that's fine; if private individuals, on here for instance, want to say the Tories are scum that's fine too.
But for a leading member of the Labour Party to say this publicly is crass stupidity.
To win an election you need to gain the votes of floating voters i.e. those who have voted Tory in the past or are considering doing so.
By calling the Tories scum these voters will believe you are implying they, by considering to vote Tory, are either stupid or scum themselves for doing so. For the electorate who mainly aren't impassioned about politics and as aware of what Johnson, for instance, has said or done in the past, using such language just makes you look nasty.
The only people impressed by Rayner's 'passion' in making such remarks are died-in-the-wool Labour supporters whose vote can be relied upon anyway.
Labour needs to focus on the policies of the Tories and explaining why these are wrong and what Labour would do differently rather than making childish personal attacks. They have plenty to go on. In footballing parlance 'play the ball not the man'. Let people come to their on conclusions on whether the Tories are 'scum' or at least not credible enough in their politics to be allowed back into Government.
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Why don't you party at war members just accept that the more right you go the more chance you have of gaining more votes?
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It’s not the first time she has used this term. She used it in the hoc last October.
I don’t care what political party you lean towards.
This language is unacceptable, and should not be dressed up as passion or commitment.
If I called someone this in my profession I would be in trouble. Big time.
She is a potty mouth. This will do her cause and that of her party no good.
Her true colours have come to the surface again.
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It’s not the first time she has used this term. She used it in the hoc last October.
I don’t care what political party you lean towards.
This language is unacceptable, and should not be dressed up as passion or commitment.
If I called someone this in my profession I would be in trouble. Big time.
She is a potty mouth. This will do her cause and that of her party no good.
Her true colours have come to the surface again.
Don't get me wrong she's definitely in marmite territory to say the least .
So was bloody Thatcher who came in from the opposite direction and it didn't do her any harm .
Plenty of folk like to hear it said how it is and leave the political speak to the moderates .
We don't live in moderate times , it's toxic out there and sometimes this kind of talk can cut through .
It's a risk I won't lie but ............
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It’s not the first time she has used this term. She used it in the hoc last October.
I don’t care what political party you lean towards.
This language is unacceptable, and should not be dressed up as passion or commitment.
If I called someone this in my profession I would be in trouble. Big time.
She is a potty mouth. This will do her cause and that of her party no good.
Her true colours have come to the surface again.
Don't get me wrong she's definitely in marmite territory to say the least .
So was bloody Thatcher who came in from the opposite direction and it didn't do her any harm .
Plenty of folk like to hear it said how it is and leave the political speak to the moderates .
We don't live in moderate times , it's toxic out there and sometimes this kind of talk can cut through .
It's a risk I won't lie but ............
To me, Rayner is the modern day equivalent of John Prescott. Someone who wears her working class credentials on her sleeve and doesn't really care who she upsets. Even the propensity for mangling the English language offers an uncanny similarity.
But Prescott was never Prime Minister material and he knew it. He also knew that a lot of people who voted Labour didn't do so because of him. However, in the 1997 election he dialled it down a bit and came across as a measured and composed politician, contributing to the 'mission', namely, winning an election.
Rayner could learn a thing or two.
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It’s not the first time she has used this term. She used it in the hoc last October.
I don’t care what political party you lean towards.
This language is unacceptable, and should not be dressed up as passion or commitment.
If I called someone this in my profession I would be in trouble. Big time.
She is a potty mouth. This will do her cause and that of her party no good.
Her true colours have come to the surface again.
Don't get me wrong she's definitely in marmite territory to say the least .
So was bloody Thatcher who came in from the opposite direction and it didn't do her any harm .
Plenty of folk like to hear it said how it is and leave the political speak to the moderates .
We don't live in moderate times , it's toxic out there and sometimes this kind of talk can cut through .
It's a risk I won't lie but ............
To me, Rayner is the modern day equivalent of John Prescott. Someone who wears her working class credentials on her sleeve and doesn't really care who she upsets. Even the propensity for mangling the English language offers an uncanny similarity.
But Prescott was never Prime Minister material and he knew it. He also knew that a lot of people who voted Labour didn't do so because of him. However, in the 1997 election he dialled it down a bit and came across as a measured and composed politician, contributing to the 'mission', namely, winning an election.
Rayner could learn a thing or two.
Except it ain't 1997 is it .
We live in different times the game and dare I say culture is changing .
Neither Trump or Johnson wouldn't have got anywhere near office in 1997 .
Scum by the standards of today is pretty tame when you hear the stuff you do on tv these days .
However I take the point it's not exactly everyday talk in politics and just as long as she uses these terms sparingly and doesn't empty her gun then she may have gained more support than many people think .
If she's different , feisty and authentic with a young past to prove it .
Fake she most certainly isn't .
She may connect with the disenfranchised and there's votes to be had there especially in the former red wall .
Don't get me wrong I wouldn't make a habit of it but I'd certainly keep up the feisty attacks and a bit of class warfare with the Tories .
A strong women won three elections in this country with half the people despising her .
Let's not be too hasty here and see how this one rolls would be my take .
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What would be the reaction if a conservative MP called anyone scum? I would be interested to see the reaction on here.
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Probably about ten pages selby.
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What would be the reaction if a conservative MP called anyone scum? I would be interested to see the reaction on here.
Personally it depends at least from my point of view .
If they called Mandelson Scum then I'd shrug my shoulders .
If they called David Evans it then so what .
What I'm saying is that if the cap fits then it fits doesn't it irrespective .
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What would be the reaction if a conservative MP called anyone scum? I would be interested to see the reaction on here.
I feel like James Gray MP saying someone should plant a bomb in Anneliese Dodds office is far worse...
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What would be the reaction if a conservative MP called anyone scum? I would be interested to see the reaction on here.
I feel like James Gray MP saying someone should plant a bomb in Anneliese Dodds office is far worse...
But at least he has done the right thing and apologised.
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What would be the reaction if a conservative MP called anyone scum? I would be interested to see the reaction on here.
I feel like James Gray MP saying someone should plant a bomb in Anneliese Dodds office is far worse...
But at least he has done the right thing and apologised.
Really? He apologised to a newspaper when they asked him to make a comment, he didn't apologise to the person he was referring to and is only apologising as he got caught. He was hoping to get away with saying it in a private WhatsApp group and not being pulled up on it. Like I said proposing the murder of someone is worse than calling someone scum.
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What would be the reaction if a conservative MP called anyone scum? I would be interested to see the reaction on here.
I feel like James Gray MP saying someone should plant a bomb in Anneliese Dodds office is far worse...
But at least he has done the right thing and apologised.
Really? He apologised to a newspaper when they asked him to make a comment, he didn't apologise to the person he was referring to and is only apologising as he got caught. He was hoping to get away with saying it in a private WhatsApp group and not being pulled up on it. Like I said proposing the murder of someone is worse than calling someone scum.
Irrespective, he has apologised.
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What would be the reaction if a conservative MP called anyone scum? I would be interested to see the reaction on here.
I feel like James Gray MP saying someone should plant a bomb in Anneliese Dodds office is far worse...
But at least he has done the right thing and apologised.
Really? He apologised to a newspaper when they asked him to make a comment, he didn't apologise to the person he was referring to and is only apologising as he got caught. He was hoping to get away with saying it in a private WhatsApp group and not being pulled up on it. Like I said proposing the murder of someone is worse than calling someone scum.
Irrespective, he has apologised.
To a newspaper.......
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Interesting these private WhatsApp groups, should they be private or not? I actually did a course which covered that recently, quite interesting.
The guys an idiot though, what a daft thing to say. Tempered by it being private mind.
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Burnham's entire career has been WAY to the right of Starmer.
What exactly DO you want? Just someone who speaks with a northern accent?
What part of brought round with a leadership campaign aren't you understanding ?
Burnham's entire career has been WAY to the right of Starmer.
What exactly DO you want? Just someone who speaks with a northern accent?
I don't think you have answered this properly tyke, as representative of the angriest men in britain are you saying you are supportive of a politician who is to the right of devil-man starmer whom eats live babies?
Calling Steve, SS I'm totally gobsmacked you are not riding to the rescue here, you're a burnham man are you not? any other burnham over starmer supporters want to step in here and tidy this mess up?
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What would be the reaction if a conservative MP called anyone scum? I would be interested to see the reaction on here.
I feel like James Gray MP saying someone should plant a bomb in Anneliese Dodds office is far worse...
But at least he has done the right thing and apologised.
Really? He apologised to a newspaper when they asked him to make a comment, he didn't apologise to the person he was referring to and is only apologising as he got caught. He was hoping to get away with saying it in a private WhatsApp group and not being pulled up on it. Like I said proposing the murder of someone is worse than calling someone scum.
Irrespective, he has apologised.
To a newspaper.......
Via a newspaper.
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Her passion and honesty are commendable, she says what she thinks.
But, she wants to lead the party and country, does she think that kind of language is language that will enable her to meet those objectives? I'm not convinced they are.
For me she makes some valid points but has a far too shouty aggressive attitude and like it or not that makes her sound stupid.
The problem I have with her saying this is it bleeds in to the supporters and incites yet more division. Great for the tribal masses but as I said on a post yesterday, she doesn't need to attract filo or Sydney, she needs to attract people like me.
I commend her passion and the fact she's made a solid career for herself despite leaving school early but it's just some of the language she uses will alienate some people and like you say is too aggressive. She isn't electable but she is a better candidate than Starmer, which says a lot. For me the best hope Labour have is Andy Burnham, he has the passion, he's composed and he has the leadership needed. What's your thoughts on Burnham as being someone who is more center/center-right?
I could be brought round to Burnham but I would have to be brought round as I say .
I'd be paying his leadership pitch with some attention to say the least .
He'd have to improve his leadership campaign from his first leadership attempt because he was walloped by Corbyn along with the other Blairite Liz Kendal .
His time as Mayor of Manchester and covid have increased his popularity no doubt .
I was also impressed with his work with the Hillsborough families .
I wouldn't dismiss him I'll say that .
Oops I posted up an incorrect quote before
With all your caveats tyke, have you support any other labour parties apart from a JC led one? and why would you expect a person such as burnham to suddenly change his politics so radically, wouldn't that make him hypocritical and therefore unelectable? I take it your not keen on hypocrites.
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The word scum is nowhere near as offensive as the racist remarks and things said about minority groups or about the working people of britain and other countries by so many of the tory leadership, there is a double standard operating here.
However I think that anything that has the potential to lose votes should not be on the radar of anyone in the labour leadership team.
Threatening to plant a bomb even in jest is totally brainless and indefensible.
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Aye Sydney your party can carry on calling others scum etc let's see how that works out for them.
Your post again proves the problem the left continually have "ah but the Tories". Stop defining your own actions by saying what others do, be better than that.
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Aye Sydney your party can carry on calling others scum etc let's see how that works out for them.
Your post again proves the problem the left continually have "ah but the Tories". Stop defining your own actions by saying what others do, be better than that.
My party hmmmm, I don't think scum is anywhere near as offensive as cancelling school meals, threatening to take the £20 increase off UC, having 14million poor in the country and a 1200% iincrease in the numbers of food banks, I guess these things must have been done by your party?
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Rayner pregnant at 16 and living off the generosity of the Tory Government, typical exponent of the Left wing ‘Woke’ mentality and Colonel Plum Starmer will not tolerate her potty mouthed behaviour, she will be leaving the Shadow Cabinet shortly!
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Aye Sydney your party can carry on calling others scum etc let's see how that works out for them.
Your post again proves the problem the left continually have "ah but the Tories". Stop defining your own actions by saying what others do, be better than that.
My party hmmmm, I don't think scum is anywhere near as offensive as cancelling school meals, threatening to take the £20 increase off UC, having 14million poor in the country and a 1200% iincrease in the numbers of food banks, I guess these things must have been done by your party?
I don't have a party I'm a member of nothing but my own thoughts. It is possible to question all of them you know.
My thoughts, don't increase UC fix the fundamental issues that mean people are on it and get them off it.
Define poor...
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Aye Sydney your party can carry on calling others scum etc let's see how that works out for them.
Your post again proves the problem the left continually have "ah but the Tories". Stop defining your own actions by saying what others do, be better than that.
My party hmmmm, I don't think scum is anywhere near as offensive as cancelling school meals, threatening to take the £20 increase off UC, having 14million poor in the country and a 1200% iincrease in the numbers of food banks, I guess these things must have been done by your party?
I don't have a party I'm a member of nothing but my own thoughts. It is possible to question all of them you know.
My thoughts, don't increase UC fix the fundamental issues that mean people are on it and get them off it.
Define poor...
So you don't see any difference in someone taking pot shots at their political opponents and the political elite or just the plain old elite taking offensive cheap pot shots at minority groups, people whom generally don't have the means to defend themselves or fight back pud?
Here you can work out what poor means pud or you can try and explain it statistics.
Number of people in poverty in working families hits record high. About 14m struggling to make ends meet.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/07/uk-live-poverty-charity-joseph-rowntree-foundation
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I'm not a fan of this sort of language by leading politicians, but isn't Rayner being reasonable in saying that she will apologise for calling Johnson "scum" if he apologises for calling gay men "Tank top wearing bum boys"?
Seems like a fair deal.
Or, to put it another way, if you are the sort of scum who makes a political career out of insulting anyone within reach, at least be big enough to accept it is a fair description when someone calls you "scum".
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Rayner pregnant at 16 and living off the generosity of the Tory Government, typical exponent of the Left wing ‘Woke’ mentality and Colonel Plum Starmer will not tolerate her potty mouthed behaviour, she will be leaving the Shadow Cabinet shortly!
A little picky but she had the kid only weeks before Labours 1997 win.
Can you also define this word "Woke" you're throwing around?
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Rayner pregnant at 16 and living off the generosity of the Tory Government, typical exponent of the Left wing ‘Woke’ mentality and Colonel Plum Starmer will not tolerate her potty mouthed behaviour, she will be leaving the Shadow Cabinet shortly!
A little picky but she had the kid only weeks before Labours 1997 win.
Can you also define this word "Woke" you're throwing around?
Plus she went back to college after having the bairn and then worked full-time. But don't let that impinge on your instinctive misogyny, eh Sproty?
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Rayner pregnant at 16 and living off the generosity of the Tory Government, typical exponent of the Left wing ‘Woke’ mentality and Colonel Plum Starmer will not tolerate her potty mouthed behaviour, she will be leaving the Shadow Cabinet shortly!
A little picky but she had the kid only weeks before Labours 1997 win.
Can you also define this word "Woke" you're throwing around?
I’m sure Sproty will be back to correct his misrepresentation of the facts
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While people are talking about a working class oik with slippy Knickers she has done exactly what the Tories want and deflected conversation from how we are being governed and onto the class war that Labour have lost as people want to and think of themselves as not any longer working class.
Well done.
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Rayner pregnant at 16 and living off the generosity of the Tory Government, typical exponent of the Left wing ‘Woke’ mentality and Colonel Plum Starmer will not tolerate her potty mouthed behaviour, she will be leaving the Shadow Cabinet shortly!
A little picky but she had the kid only weeks before Labours 1997 win.
Can you also define this word "Woke" you're throwing around?
Plus she went back to college after having the bairn and then worked full-time. But don't let that impinge on your instinctive misogyny, eh Sproty?
I would have a bit of respect if she had parented her child herself instead of chucking it at somebody else!
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And do you think she would have any more respect for you than me Sproty because if you do I would bet you were kidding yourself.
She wants power so she can tell you what to do with your money, like any good socialist, they are good socialists while someone else's money runs out.
Like Emily Thornberry said today in answer to the question have your policies been costed, she replied we don't have to because we are not in power.
So are they willing to promise anything that has no projected cost, that's good isn't it especially for the suckers paying the cost. Labour to a tee.
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So Bernard Manning and Jim Davidson walked into a football forum...
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Rayner pregnant at 16 and living off the generosity of the Tory Government, typical exponent of the Left wing ‘Woke’ mentality and Colonel Plum Starmer will not tolerate her potty mouthed behaviour, she will be leaving the Shadow Cabinet shortly!
A little picky but she had the kid only weeks before Labours 1997 win.
Can you also define this word "Woke" you're throwing around?
Plus she went back to college after having the bairn and then worked full-time. But don't let that impinge on your instinctive misogyny, eh Sproty?
I would have a bit of respect if she had parented her child herself instead of chucking it at somebody else!
Ah right, so when you peddled the lie that she was living off the generosity of the tory party, what did you really mean?
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And do you think she would have any more respect for you than me Sproty because if you do I would bet you were kidding yourself.
She wants power so she can tell you what to do with your money, like any good socialist, they are good socialists while someone else's money runs out.
Like Emily Thornberry said today in answer to the question have your policies been costed, she replied we don't have to because we are not in power.
So are they willing to promise anything that has no projected cost, that's good isn't it especially for the suckers paying the cost. Labour to a tee.
Can't win! :laugh:
A few years ago they fully coated their manifesto then all the right wing press and Tories came out with the line "There's no magic money tree". Yet the Tories hadn't coated theirs at all!
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So Bernard Manning and Jim Davidson walked into a football forum...
…and Billy said to them, ‘Hey, I’m the most condescending poster on here. That means I talk down to people.’
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And do you think she would have any more respect for you than me Sproty because if you do I would bet you were kidding yourself.
She wants power so she can tell you what to do with your money, like any good socialist, they are good socialists while someone else's money runs out.
Like Emily Thornberry said today in answer to the question have your policies been costed, she replied we don't have to because we are not in power.
So are they willing to promise anything that has no projected cost, that's good isn't it especially for the suckers paying the cost. Labour to a tee.
Can't win! :laugh:
A few years ago they fully coated their manifesto then all the right wing press and Tories came out with the line "There's no magic money tree". Yet the Tories hadn't coated theirs at all!
Labour honest today though. £28b a year on green investment. They're going to borrow it all.
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And do you think she would have any more respect for you than me Sproty because if you do I would bet you were kidding yourself.
She wants power so she can tell you what to do with your money, like any good socialist, they are good socialists while someone else's money runs out.
Like Emily Thornberry said today in answer to the question have your policies been costed, she replied we don't have to because we are not in power.
So are they willing to promise anything that has no projected cost, that's good isn't it especially for the suckers paying the cost. Labour to a tee.
She, selby doesn't even know you exist and probably doesn't give an ff
Just a question were you a virgin at 16?
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And do you think she would have any more respect for you than me Sproty because if you do I would bet you were kidding yourself.
She wants power so she can tell you what to do with your money, like any good socialist, they are good socialists while someone else's money runs out.
Like Emily Thornberry said today in answer to the question have your policies been costed, she replied we don't have to because we are not in power.
So are they willing to promise anything that has no projected cost, that's good isn't it especially for the suckers paying the cost. Labour to a tee.
She, selby doesn't even know you exist and probably doesn't give an ff
Just a question were you a virgin at 16?
Are you?
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She wants power so she can tell you what to do with your money, like any good socialist, they are good socialists while someone else's money runs out.
So are they willing to promise anything that has no projected cost, that's good isn't it especially for the suckers paying the cost.
Well by those criteria, we currently have the most 'socialist' government this country's had in seventy years!
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Are you still a virgin, you come over on here like a schoolboy.
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Are you still a virgin, you come over on here like a schoolboy.
And do you think she would have any more respect for you than me Sproty because if you do I would bet you were kidding yourself.
She wants power so she can tell you what to do with your money, like any good socialist, they are good socialists while someone else's money runs out.
Like Emily Thornberry said today in answer to the question have your policies been costed, she replied we don't have to because we are not in power.
So are they willing to promise anything that has no projected cost, that's good isn't it especially for the suckers paying the cost. Labour to a tee.
She, selby doesn't even know you exist and probably doesn't give an ff
Just a question were you a virgin at 16?
I'll your answer as a 'don't know' then?
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You think what you want, but don't over tax your brain cell, leave room for your next meal.
And don't rush to try and belittle people, you missed the word take out of your sentence in your rush to have the last word again. Steady up, don't get so anxious, the forum can't afford to lose such a respected and intelligent poster such as yourself, just calm down before you bust a blood vessel.
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You think what you want, but don't over tax your brain cell, leave room for your next meal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s__rX_WL100
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You think what you want, but don't over tax your brain cell, leave room for your next meal.
And don't rush to try and belittle people, you missed the word take out of your sentence in your rush to have the last word again. Steady up, don't get so anxious, the forum can't afford to lose such a respected and intelligent poster such as yourself, just calm down before you bust a blood vessel.
Tories are the ones doing the taxing here. ;)
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Rayner pregnant at 16 and living off the generosity of the Tory Government, typical exponent of the Left wing ‘Woke’ mentality and Colonel Plum Starmer will not tolerate her potty mouthed behaviour, she will be leaving the Shadow Cabinet shortly!
A little picky but she had the kid only weeks before Labours 1997 win.
Can you also define this word "Woke" you're throwing around?
Plus she went back to college after having the bairn and then worked full-time. But don't let that impinge on your instinctive misogyny, eh Sproty?
I would have a bit of respect if she had parented her child herself instead of chucking it at somebody else!
Ah right, so when you peddled the lie that she was living off the generosity of the tory party, what did you really mean?
Why is it a lie?
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Somebody has to Donny, Labour may never be in a position to do so again. It's falling to pieces before your very eyes on the TV.
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Rayner pregnant at 16 and living off the generosity of the Tory Government, typical exponent of the Left wing ‘Woke’ mentality and Colonel Plum Starmer will not tolerate her potty mouthed behaviour, she will be leaving the Shadow Cabinet shortly!
A little picky but she had the kid only weeks before Labours 1997 win.
Can you also define this word "Woke" you're throwing around?
Plus she went back to college after having the bairn and then worked full-time. But don't let that impinge on your instinctive misogyny, eh Sproty?
I would have a bit of respect if she had parented her child herself instead of chucking it at somebody else!
Ah right, so when you peddled the lie that she was living off the generosity of the tory party, what did you really mean?
Why is it a lie?
Woke is a synonm for compassionate.
You can judge for yourself why Sproty is against it. And why he appears to be against single mothers recieving child support to help them in college and whilst working in low paid jobs. But appears to have no problem billionaires avoid £m's in tax via off-shore bank accounts or the taxpayers giving £m's to renovate several palaces they are never going to vist for an alleged peadophile to live in.
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Angela ("No Angel" ) Rayner
it is debatable whether the same "S" word could have been applied to her in 1996 aged just 16
not impressed at all by this
"Rayner has a warm relationship with the council leaders, but each knows which side they are on. This is obvious when she talks about grievance processes: "There are times when it's one of my members who has acted badly, but even then I blame management – after all, they recruited that person. Management created the mess, so it is up to management to sort it out, with the best possible result for the member I'm representing."
On the day I spend with Rayner there are no disciplinary hearings, but we do discuss the process over lunch in the council canteen. "You get genuine ones, where an employee has committed fraud or stolen something, and you try and do your best for them, ensure they might get a fair CV instead of a trip to the police station. We look for a corrective response not a punitive one."
if she goes down the red route with a thief to protect their cv and management employs the same person (the blue route)
how the hell can management be blamed when "you dear" hid their crime.
yes we understand you are making your "Leadership pitch"
it is interesting to note that when searching this site there is no refererence to "scum Labour" but the phrase "Scum Tory" has badly infected this site
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Rayner pregnant at 16 and living off the generosity of the Tory Government, typical exponent of the Left wing ‘Woke’ mentality and Colonel Plum Starmer will not tolerate her potty mouthed behaviour, she will be leaving the Shadow Cabinet shortly!
A little picky but she had the kid only weeks before Labours 1997 win.
Can you also define this word "Woke" you're throwing around?
Plus she went back to college after having the bairn and then worked full-time. But don't let that impinge on your instinctive misogyny, eh Sproty?
I would have a bit of respect if she had parented her child herself instead of chucking it at somebody else!
Ah right, so when you peddled the lie that she was living off the generosity of the tory party, what did you really mean?
Why is it a lie?
Woke is a synonm for compassionate.
You can judge for yourself why Sproty is against it. And why he appears to be against single mothers recieving child support to help them in college and whilst working in low paid jobs. But appears to have no problem billionaires avoid £m's in tax via off-shore bank accounts or the taxpayers giving £m's to renovate several palaces they are never going to vist for an alleged peadophile to live in.
Wilts. I have much respect for you, but this is another example of the most ridiculous comparisons that often cloud your views.
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Inappropriate use of language in Parliament. If we need to address what any others have said its a separate thread.
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Rayner pregnant at 16 and living off the generosity of the Tory Government, typical exponent of the Left wing ‘Woke’ mentality and Colonel Plum Starmer will not tolerate her potty mouthed behaviour, she will be leaving the Shadow Cabinet shortly!
A little picky but she had the kid only weeks before Labours 1997 win.
Can you also define this word "Woke" you're throwing around?
Plus she went back to college after having the bairn and then worked full-time. But don't let that impinge on your instinctive misogyny, eh Sproty?
I would have a bit of respect if she had parented her child herself instead of chucking it at somebody else!
Ah right, so when you peddled the lie that she was living off the generosity of the tory party, what did you really mean?
Why is it a lie?
Woke is a synonm for compassionate.
You can judge for yourself why Sproty is against it. And why he appears to be against single mothers recieving child support to help them in college and whilst working in low paid jobs. But appears to have no problem billionaires avoid £m's in tax via off-shore bank accounts or the taxpayers giving £m's to renovate several palaces they are never going to vist for an alleged peadophile to live in.
When did I say I was against single Mothers getting benefits I merely inferred that Rayner was happy to accept benefits off of the Tory state.
A Party she seems to hold in very low esteem.
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This is interesting Rayners Mum had mental health issues and couldn't cope, Rayner became her Carrer at 10 years old. The next bit is a contradiction "It is little wonder Angela was looking for a way out. She got pregnant and had son Ryan aged 16. “From 13/14 I was always hanging about with older boys. Boys in school used to call me names. But outside older boys would pay me attention because I looked older for my age. I was going to clubs from 14. I wanted to be loved. I didn’t intend to get pregnant, it was literally the first time.”
Angela became a grandmother in November when Ryan, 20, had daughter Lilith Mae. In addition to Ryan, whose dad didn’t stick around, she has boys Jimmy, eight, and Charlie, nine, with husband Mark Rayner, a union official. "
Did a good job as a Carer to mum eh!!!,started slagging it at 13/14 and got pregnant at 16 to get away from home, in other words abandoned her poor mum as soon as she could! What a tosspot!
By the way I became my mums Carer at 10 when my Dad got killed she had a Critical illness, I abandoned any dreams of joining the Forces because I needed to be near my mum supporting her, I got a job at 16 because family allowance stopped at 16 in those days, I recall her telling me not to consider 6th form because she needed me working bringing money into the house to help her and my younger siblings, even when I married I never lived more than 2 miles away. I have no respect for Rayner she is a disgusting advert for the Labour Party!
What a 'Slapper' going to Night clubs at 14! I could barely afford 10p to watch the Rovers!
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You'd think all those hard lesson would give you a bit of compassion sprot aye?
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You'd think all those hard lesson would give you a bit of compassion sprot aye?
It has mate,also made me despise free loaders like Rayner.
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In what world does going to college to train for a profession equate to being a freeloader?
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In what world does going to college to train for a profession equate to being a freeloader?
She took advantage of our generous welfare scheme to escape from
Her parental home and Carer responsibilities for her mother, whilst she was 'Studying' who was looking after the Bairn?
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So what do you suggest she did? Not go to college? Not get a job? Be a permanent welfare recipient?
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So what do you suggest she did? Not go to college? Not get a job? Be a permanent welfare recipient?
what I suggest is that she stayed at home at 14 and studied,helped her Mum and kept her legs firmly closed, she did what a large number of Bimbos did and got herself pregnant to get her own place! We are now on 4th generation families in this country which have only ever seen one parent how is that right.
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So what do you suggest she did? Not go to college? Not get a job? Be a permanent welfare recipient?
what I suggest is that she stayed at home at 14 and studied,helped her Mum and kept her legs firmly closed, she did what a large number of Bimbos did and got herself pregnant to get her own place! We are now on 4th generation families in this country which have only ever seen one parent how is that right.
you'll be supporting charges against any himbos that want to fess up then sprot?
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You still got that dungeon Sproty?
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In what world does going to college to train for a profession equate to being a freeloader?
She took advantage of our generous welfare scheme to escape from
Her parental home and Carer responsibilities for her mother, whilst she was 'Studying' who was looking after the Bairn?
Labour MP in shock of historically using welfare services under a Labour government in order to better themselves and help contribute to the country/economy.
Truly horrific someone wants to get their party in power to help other people to better their futures the same way she was helped.
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Quote from Angela Rayner...There are times when it's one of my members who has acted badly, but even then I blame management – after all, they recruited that person. Management created the mess, so it is up to management to sort it out, with the best possible result for the member I'm representing."
It's a good job she wasn't Pc Wayne Cousins Union Rep!
I can't believe somebody with her mentallity is in a position where she can inflict appalling damage to society!
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Quote from Angela Rayner...There are times when it's one of my members who has acted badly, but even then I blame management – after all, they recruited that person. Management created the mess, so it is up to management to sort it out, with the best possible result for the member I'm representing."
It's a good job she wasn't Pc Wayne Cousins Union Rep!
I can't believe somebody with her mentallity is in a position where she can inflict appalling damage to society!
so what are your thoughts on someone that was screwing his 'bit on the side' was allowing her company to receive grants and go on various junkets all on the public purse, all while in public office?
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Syd they are all deplorable, it’s a sad state of affairs that typing this in 2021 the last pm with an ounce of integrity was a polarising character like Thatcher
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Syd they are all deplorable, it’s a sad state of affairs that typing this in 2021 the last pm with an ounce of integrity was a polarising character like Thatcher
And in 1985, folk would have said the same thing, substituting Macmillan for Thatcher.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58787799
This is disgraceful. Rayner needs to do some soul searching about what aggressive words can lead to. There's no evidence of a direct link, but circumstantially it looks awful.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58787799
This is disgraceful. Rayner needs to do some soul searching about what aggressive words can lead to. There's no evidence of a direct link, but circumstantially it looks awful.
yep, agreed, even though I called it 'politics' earlier, that's the risk, the escalation of potty mouth politics to violence.
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Actually quite scary how many on twitter believe this is justified too. So hypocritical that people haven't learnt their lessons from the Jo Cox death.