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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: wilts rover on September 29, 2021, 07:30:50 pm
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Britons think Brexit is going badly, and it's an opinion more people have come to as the year has gone on
Going well: 18% (-7)
Going badly: 53% (+15)
Neither: 21% (-4)
Changes from Jun 21, 2021
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1443245359749373962
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Britons think Brexit is going badly, and it's an opinion more people have come to as the year has gone on
Going well: 18% (-7)
Going badly: 53% (+15)
Neither: 21% (-4)
Changes from Jun 21, 2021
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1443245359749373962
It would be an interesting conversation with those thinking it's going well ............... down at the bullingdon club
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The poles are revolting.....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58955375
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The poles are revolting.....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58955375
Aren’t the Poles the largest net beneficiary of EU membership or something?
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The poles are revolting.....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58955375
It says the majority of Poles overwhelmingly support membership of the EU.
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Of course it doesn't matter what most poles think the government has the power to act as they wish.
Again we see questions of the EU and not many answers. I'm sure as usual we'll be told the concerns of a country are irrelevant.
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The poles are revolting.....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58955375
It says the majority of Poles overwhelmingly support membership of the EU.
"Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki has accused the EU of blackmail in a heated debate with European Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen over the rule of law"
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The poles are revolting.....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58955375
It says the majority of Poles overwhelmingly support membership of the EU.
"Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki has accused the EU of blackmail in a heated debate with European Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen over the rule of law"
Well, that's one of them so far.
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I always thought Italy would be next to leave the dictatorship. Perhaps Poland will prove me wrong.
Time will tell.
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One day, we will look back on euro politics, not as brexit, but as eurexit. As country by country will leave and the unelected, undemocratic dictators in Brussels will be shown the door.
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One day, we will look back on euro politics, not as brexit, but as eurexit. As country by country will leave and the unelected, undemocratic dictators in Brussels will be shown the door.
And you'll be able to cheer on your grandkids in the European ethnic and territorial wars that will start up again.
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One day, we will look back on euro politics, not as brexit, but as eurexit. As country by country will leave and the unelected, undemocratic dictators in Brussels will be shown the door.
And you'll be able to cheer on your grandkids in the European ethnic and territorial wars that will start up again.
How quickly we forget.
For two thousand years up to 1945, on average an army crossed the Rhine to do battle every 37 years.
Does anyone think the human race has changed in the past century.
This was the fundamental reason that the EU was founded. And we have millions of people in this country actively willing it to fail. Like history never happened.
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And then NATO was formed………..
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Well since we have done such a Sterling job of leaving and with all the benefits now racking up . I mean, who wouldn’t want to leave the EU?…….
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And then NATO was formed………..
Ah yes. NATO.
That'll be the NATO that didn't prevent fascist dictatorships in Greece, Portugal and Spain.
Or is it the NATO that didn't prevent 200,000 deaths in the France-Algeria war? Or 3000 deaths in a civil war in the UK?
That NATO?
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For two thousand years up to 1945, on average an army crossed the Rhine to do battle every 37 years.
Hasn’t happened since NATO formed.
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That was an example of the warlike history of Europe. Yes, that specific one hasn't happened. But other conflicts started in and around NATO countries, killing thousands.
But no conflict has ever started in an EU country after joining the EU. Several did in NATO countries.
No country has ever lost democracy after joining the EU. Several have in NATO.
I'm not denying the effect of NATO in uniting Europe. But Brexiters seem determined to deny the effect of the EU in drawing together countries that have killed millions of each other throughout history. And worse than that, to delight in the possibility that the EU might collapse.
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We don’t have to go to war In Europe when we have govts willing to send our troops all over the world sorting out other peoples shit.
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Those that take a position to dance on the grave of the EU as they see it may want to think of the future, Britain may within a relatively shortish period of time could be knocking on the door asking if there are any vacancies.
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Those that take a position to dance on the grave of the EU as they see it may want to think of the future, Britain may within a relatively shortish period of time could be knocking on the door asking if there are any vacancies.
I don't think so. In another twenty years the EU will not exist.
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If anything von de shithoise will be knocking on our door asking for help when the Eu dads army get sent into battle in Ukraine.
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Those that take a position to dance on the grave of the EU as they see it may want to think of the future, Britain may within a relatively shortish period of time could be knocking on the door asking if there are any vacancies.
I don't think so. In another twenty years the EU will not exist.
Odd. That's what I heard twenty years ago.
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Those that take a position to dance on the grave of the EU as they see it may want to think of the future, Britain may within a relatively shortish period of time could be knocking on the door asking if there are any vacancies.
I don't think so. In another twenty years the EU will not exist.
Odd. That's what I heard twenty years ago.
If some one had said to you twenty years ago that the uk would leave the Eu, what would you have said ?
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It came into being in 1993 with the introduction of the Maastricht treaty, we didn't have a say, one of the most undemocratic decisions made by any government.
Some people still thought we were in the Common market twenty years ago, John Major has a lot to answer for ever taking us into what it has and is going to become.
or as the old song goes "there maybe trouble ahead".
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Strange that those who are so excited about Poland's leaders threatening to leave the EU are also the ones who claim to be guardians of national sovereignty and democracy. This is the result of the polls in Poland about EU membership.
Blue=Remain
Red=Leave
(https://notesfrompoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/CBOS.png)
Makes you eonde what game the Polish right wing leaders are playing...
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Strange that those who are so excited about Poland's leaders threatening to leave the EU are also the ones who claim to be guardians of national sovereignty and democracy. This is the result of the polls in Poland about EU membership.
Blue=Remain
Red=Leave
(https://notesfrompoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/CBOS.png)
Makes you eonde what game the Polish right wing leaders are playing...
The Poles want to stay in it because they are screwing a load of wedge out of the EU but they don't like the left wing rules. We didn't like the rules but were paying for it all.
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Wait while they have to chip in instead of being on a good thing and having someone else's money chucked at them.
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Wait while they have to chip in instead of being on a good thing and having someone else's money chucked at them.
whereas johnson & co are trying to send the UK broke and we'll get nothing, aye selby?
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Strange that those who are so excited about Poland's leaders threatening to leave the EU are also the ones who claim to be guardians of national sovereignty and democracy. This is the result of the polls in Poland about EU membership.
Blue=Remain
Red=Leave
(https://notesfrompoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/CBOS.png)
Makes you eonde what game the Polish right wing leaders are playing...
Create division Billy, standard popularise regime activity
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David Cameron gave some of the public what they wanted. A referendum.
No where in his wildest nightmares though did he expect it to go the way it did.
He would have had advice from pollsters. Experts in public feeling and the mood of the nation.
They got it so so wrong.
Who is to say that graph in Poland bears any resemblance to reality.
Time will tell.
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I suppose one question is why do others want more countries to leave and the EU to break up, especially given the real time evidence of the problems caused in the UK, and will continue to cause.
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I suppose one question is why do others want more countries to leave and the EU to break up, especially given the real time evidence of the problems caused in the UK, and will continue to cause.
Sydney, how do you think we went on as a country before we joined the EU, or the Common Market as it was called then?
I'll tell you; life was f*cking great in the 60s.
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I suppose one question is why do others want more countries to leave and the EU to break up, especially given the real time evidence of the problems caused in the UK, and will continue to cause.
Sydney, how do you think we went on as a country before we joined the EU, or the Common Market as it was called then?
I'll tell you; life was f*cking great in the 60s.
What's your point Steve, you want to go back to the 60s?
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Wait while they have to chip in instead of being on a good thing and having someone else's money chucked at them.
whereas johnson & co are trying to send the UK broke and we'll get nothing, aye selby?
Why will Australia get nothing, genuine question SR.
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Wait while they have to chip in instead of being on a good thing and having someone else's money chucked at them.
whereas johnson & co are trying to send the UK broke and we'll get nothing, aye selby?
Why will Australia get nothing, genuine question SR.
Australia were never in the EU hound, genuine answer.
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Wait while they have to chip in instead of being on a good thing and having someone else's money chucked at them.
whereas johnson & co are trying to send the UK broke and we'll get nothing, aye selby?
Why will Australia get nothing, genuine question SR.
Australia were never in the EU hound, genuine answer.
Yeah I know, which is why I was wounding why you said “we’ll get nothing”.
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don't drink and post is the answer
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don't drink and post is the answer
I have often had the impression that you do, it’s up to you though, so enjoy.
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I suppose one question is why do others want more countries to leave and the EU to break up, especially given the real time evidence of the problems caused in the UK, and will continue to cause.
Sydney, how do you think we went on as a country before we joined the EU, or the Common Market as it was called then?
I'll tell you; life was f*cking great in the 60s.
That would be the decade when France, Germany, Italy and the Netherlands all overtook our economic performance? That 1960s? The one where we were known as the Sick Man of Europe?
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Great generation though Billy, World Champions at football, won the ashes, and gave the world the best music ever. And all those countries did it on the back of the Yanks mainly and our generosity and investment while our armed forces protected them from the Russians.
We have paid through the nose for them.
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Great generation though Billy, World Champions at football, won the ashes, and gave the world the best music ever. And all those countries did it on the back of the Yanks mainly and our generosity and investment while our armed forces protected them from the Russians.
We have paid through the nose for them.
And a triumph in Indonesia in 65 I guess, I wonder how the theme song for that went?
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Great generation though Billy, World Champions at football, won the ashes, and gave the world the best music ever. And all those countries did it on the back of the Yanks mainly and our generosity and investment while our armed forces protected them from the Russians.
We have paid through the nose for them.
Who's this "we"?
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I suppose one question is why do others want more countries to leave and the EU to break up, especially given the real time evidence of the problems caused in the UK, and will continue to cause.
Because they see it as the only way not to look stupid for their decision to vote leave.
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I suppose one question is why do others want more countries to leave and the EU to break up, especially given the real time evidence of the problems caused in the UK, and will continue to cause.
Life doesn't feel really much different on the ground in the UK though does it? The problems are massively overinflated eg the fuel crisis that frankly didn't exist until the media made it exist, then when the panicking stopped again...
Poland shouldn't leave they benefit infinitely more financially than the UK. However, the EU should listen to the concerns of the polish government and consider them much more than they have. Is the EU led by all of its members' concerns or more interested in it's central core objectives than the concerns of member states?
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Makes you wonder who is the most stupid Kato, is it those who can't get over being losers in a democratic vote and have voted Labour as well since 2009. They haven't achieved anything of note apart from voting for a racial party that's going nowhere and getting more and more upset.
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The Labour Party is a bit like humanity itself.
Self imploding. Eating itself from within.
And still taking the time to point the finger at the other side for not doing what they think is right .
Pitiful.
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I suppose one question is why do others want more countries to leave and the EU to break up, especially given the real time evidence of the problems caused in the UK, and will continue to cause.
Sydney, how do you think we went on as a country before we joined the EU, or the Common Market as it was called then?
I'll tell you; life was f*cking great in the 60s.
C'mon SS admit it, you can't really remember much of the 60's :-)
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I suppose one question is why do others want more countries to leave and the EU to break up, especially given the real time evidence of the problems caused in the UK, and will continue to cause.
Sydney, how do you think we went on as a country before we joined the EU, or the Common Market as it was called then?
I'll tell you; life was f*cking great in the 60s.
What's your point Steve, you want to go back to the 60s?
Yes please.
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I suppose one question is why do others want more countries to leave and the EU to break up, especially given the real time evidence of the problems caused in the UK, and will continue to cause.
Sydney, how do you think we went on as a country before we joined the EU, or the Common Market as it was called then?
I'll tell you; life was f*cking great in the 60s.
That would be the decade when France, Germany, Italy and the Netherlands all overtook our economic performance? That 1960s? The one where we were known as the Sick Man of Europe?
Yeah, and who gave us that tag? Some arrogant mouthy gobsh*te in Europe?
It wouldn't surprise me, there's plenty of them.
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I suppose one question is why do others want more countries to leave and the EU to break up, especially given the real time evidence of the problems caused in the UK, and will continue to cause.
Sydney, how do you think we went on as a country before we joined the EU, or the Common Market as it was called then?
I'll tell you; life was f*cking great in the 60s.
C'mon SS admit it, you can't really remember much of the 60's :-)
You're getting cheekier than BB and Janso.
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If you remember the '60s, you weren't really there!
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If you remember the '60s, you weren't really there!
You mean that I look so young that I couldn't possibly have been there?
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If you remember the '60s, you weren't really there!
You mean that I look so young that I couldn't possibly have been there?
You mean you look young as in "Mighty Joe Young!"
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I suppose one question is why do others want more countries to leave and the EU to break up, especially given the real time evidence of the problems caused in the UK, and will continue to cause.
Life doesn't feel really much different on the ground in the UK though does it? The problems are massively overinflated eg the fuel crisis that frankly didn't exist until the media made it exist, then when the panicking stopped again...
Poland shouldn't leave they benefit infinitely more financially than the UK. However, the EU should listen to the concerns of the polish government and consider them much more than they have. Is the EU led by all of its members' concerns or more interested in it's central core objectives than the concerns of member states?
I guess that depends on how close to the breadline you are sailing pud? there is no denying the deaths caused by Austerity and the ongoing hardship combined with brexit have put many in trouble.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelTakeMP/status/1452571073950752769
Brexit. Metaphorically and now literally a pile of shite.
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I suppose one question is why do others want more countries to leave and the EU to break up, especially given the real time evidence of the problems caused in the UK, and will continue to cause.
Life doesn't feel really much different on the ground in the UK though does it? The problems are massively overinflated eg the fuel crisis that frankly didn't exist until the media made it exist, then when the panicking stopped again...
Poland shouldn't leave they benefit infinitely more financially than the UK. However, the EU should listen to the concerns of the polish government and consider them much more than they have. Is the EU led by all of its members' concerns or more interested in it's central core objectives than the concerns of member states?
Might not be much difference on the ground for you. Elsewhere, I've got three projects running 3-6 months late because of difficulties importing materials from Italy and Germany. Had a very big impact on our cashflow and we've had to dip into our overdraft for the first time since 2010.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelTakeMP/status/1452571073950752769
Brexit. Metaphorically and now literally a pile of shite.
Fake news.
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Buy British Billy.
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Buy British Billy.
What brand car and ride on mower do you drive, out of interest selby?
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Buy British Billy.
Swim British Selby. You'll be in your element.
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Do I detect a bit of tetchiness and anti British sentiment about this morning lads? It's not like you two.
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Do I detect a bit of tetchiness and anti British sentiment about this morning lads? It's not like you two.
what sort of car is the tetchiness?
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One day, we will look back on euro politics, not as brexit, but as eurexit. As country by country will leave and the unelected, undemocratic dictators in Brussels will be shown the door.
...but they are elected?
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Buy British Billy.
We dont manufacture anymore, deregulation in the 80’s had a boom effect that was always to be short lived and since then manufacturing in the Uk, has lagged far behind practically every other European nation. We had seen a rise with the freedom of movement of cheaper Eastern European workers, but now that has come to an end. It’s not a Tory issue either , Blair did nothing in his time as prime minister. So how do you expect companies to buy British when we don’t manufacture anymore?
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Do I detect a bit of tetchiness and anti British sentiment about this morning lads? It's not like you two.
In what world is wanting Britain to be able to not have to pump millions of gallons of raw shite into rivers is considered anti-British?
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Buy British Billy.
We dont manufacture anymore, deregulation in the 80’s had a boom effect that was always to be short lived and since then manufacturing in the Uk, has lagged far behind practically every other European nation. We had seen a rise with the freedom of movement of cheaper Eastern European workers, but now that has come to an end. It’s not a Tory issue either , Blair did nothing in his time as prime minister. So how do you expect companies to buy British when we don’t manufacture anymore?
The Australian coalition wouldn't support the car industries here and let them walk away, there were so much industry and jobs lost it was quite unbelievable, many 10s of thousands of workers lost their jobs and the country lost a whole layer of manufacturing from the support industries. Every car is now imported.
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Do I detect a bit of tetchiness and anti British sentiment about this morning lads? It's not like you two.
In what world is wanting Britain to be able to not have to pump millions of gallons of raw shite into rivers is considered anti-British?
Aye. There's a difference between wanting Britain to be better and being anti-British. People shouldn't just blindly accept what their country does.
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Buy British Billy.
We dont manufacture anymore, deregulation in the 80’s had a boom effect that was always to be short lived and since then manufacturing in the Uk, has lagged far behind practically every other European nation. We had seen a rise with the freedom of movement of cheaper Eastern European workers, but now that has come to an end. It’s not a Tory issue either , Blair did nothing in his time as prime minister. So how do you expect companies to buy British when we don’t manufacture anymore?
This seems to contradict your view
https://mobile.twitter.com/Jefferson_MFG/status/1452851696011464707
The UK is the 9th largest manufacturer in the world. According to Global Upside, only Germany, France and Italy of European countries are above us in terms of Global manufacturing output. On a personal basis, some of the companies who I work with that export across the globe are seeing decent growth too. It’s just getting the products out there that’s the problem.
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Do I detect a bit of tetchiness and anti British sentiment about this morning lads? It's not like you two.
In what world is wanting Britain to be able to not have to pump millions of gallons of raw shite into rivers is considered anti-British?
Spot on. This is an absolute scandal.
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I always make the effort to do my research and buy British where ever i can. I'm in the process of renovating a bungalow and it surprising how much you still can get that's made here. As an example i have sourced a new boiler, doors, windows, light switches, curtain poles, radiators, washing machine, vacuum cleaner and various other items.
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Buy British Billy.
We dont manufacture anymore, deregulation in the 80’s had a boom effect that was always to be short lived and since then manufacturing in the Uk, has lagged far behind practically every other European nation. We had seen a rise with the freedom of movement of cheaper Eastern European workers, but now that has come to an end. It’s not a Tory issue either , Blair did nothing in his time as prime minister. So how do you expect companies to buy British when we don’t manufacture anymore?
This seems to contradict your view
https://mobile.twitter.com/Jefferson_MFG/status/1452851696011464707
The UK is the 9th largest manufacturer in the world. According to Global Upside, only Germany, France and Italy of European countries are above us in terms of Global manufacturing output. On a personal basis, some of the companies who I work with that export across the globe are seeing decent growth too. It’s just getting the products out there that’s the problem.
We still manufacture but not to the levels we did in the early 90’s. we we have lost 1.4 million jobs in manufacturing since 1997. That’s not all to do with government policy, obviously technology has thrived in the last 25 years. But that’s still 4x more manufacturing jobs lost that in Germany, France & Italy over the same period. I worked in manufacturing in Doncaster for a good 10 years, before it started to implode. we have lost a lot of companies in the town, just think Wheatley hall road early 90’s. Ici, Case, Crompton lighting, invensys etc all gone, and now housing and retail plots.
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Do I detect a bit of tetchiness and anti British sentiment about this morning lads? It's not like you two.
In what world is wanting Britain to be able to not have to pump millions of gallons of raw shite into rivers is considered anti-British?
Govt ministers have done a u turn on this, how stupid must those Tory arse lickers that voted for it must feel now
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I always make the effort to do my research and buy British where ever i can. I'm in the process of renovating a bungalow and it surprising how much you still can get that's made here. As an example i have sourced a new boiler, doors, windows, light switches, curtain poles, radiators, washing machine, vacuum cleaner and various other items.
This is true, but I’d bet that a good 50% of that washing machine & vacuum was made a long way from our shores. Assembling doesn’t always equate to manufacturing. As I find out recently when trying to get spares for my UK manufactured stoves cooker. Only to be told that they are struggling to source parts from China currently.
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EU courts imposing fines on Poland
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59064883
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32% of people voting against their own interests, or are they the 'ruling classes' in Poland?
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........... what's that skippy, someone cocked up?
(''Covid-19 pandemic on the UK economy: “the largest fall in economic output since 1709”'
....... ''Yet the Office for Budget Responsibility, in its report on Wednesday’s budget, estimates that the long-term impact of Brexit will be more than twice as great as Covid. It thinks that Brexit will reduce UK productivity, and hence GDP per capita, by 4%, while the impact of Covid on GDP will only be 2%, with a slightly smaller impact on GDP per capita''
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/28/economy-recovering-covid-brexit-eu
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A leaked letter written by the French PM to the President of the EU regarding the ongoing Fishing issue.
“It is indispensable to demonstrate to European public opinion that more damage is suffered by leaving the EU than remaining.”
So in other words, the EU must clearly demonstrate that the UK has been damaged by leaving the EU?
The French do love a hissy fit don’t they when things don’t go their way…especially when an election is looming. I wonder whether the EU will proceed with the best interests of their relationship with the UK or capitulate to the petulance of the French?
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Not sure why they are bothering HA, the damage is bleedingly obvious.
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Not sure why they are bothering HA, the damage is bleedingly obvious.
Any criticism of the approach and attitude of our French cousins Syd?
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I'll wait to find out which party is not abiding by the agreement HA
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Britain doesn't have a great record over other countries boundaries, we fought the cod wars with Iceland over hundreds of years and not being in the right once.
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I thought we held all the cards, or did someone lie to us?
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so long, and thanks for all the fish
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I'll wait to find out which party is not abiding by the agreement HA
The French are attempting to fish in UK waters without the pre requisite licences agreed within the Brexit deal.
Irrespective of that, do you think the French behaviour in clearly wanting to see the UK punished is becoming of a nation that wants a close and mutual partnership with us?
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Britain doesn't have a great record over other countries boundaries, we fought the cod wars with Iceland over hundreds of years and not being in the right once.
Make your mind up you whingeing Pom, if Aussies saw half your posts on here you would get filled in, you are NOT one of us any more!
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I'll wait to find out which party is not abiding by the agreement HA
The French are attempting to fish in UK waters without the pre requisite licences agreed within the Brexit deal.
Irrespective of that, do you think the French behaviour in clearly wanting to see the UK punished is becoming of a nation that wants a close and mutual partnership with us?
The agreement was, that the UK would issue licences to boats that had historically fished the area, the UK are now saying that logbooks are not being accepted and they want gps history. Nothing about this in the original agreement. Many of these boats don't have logbooks.
The French are pissed at the moment because we went behind their backs and dumped a very valuable subs deal, johnson doesn't help with the dumb 'get a grip' jibe in broken French when we know he can speak the language perfectly well, he's just playing to the 'we hate the French' no matter what the topic. I don't think either side is being helpful. As I said the UK has a history, look at Ireland look at Iceland etc the French have a history too.
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Britain doesn't have a great record over other countries boundaries, we fought the cod wars with Iceland over hundreds of years and not being in the right once.
Make your mind up you whingeing Pom, if Aussies saw half your posts on here you would get filled in, you are NOT one of us any more!
Hey sprot f**k off, nicely though
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Britain doesn't have a great record over other countries boundaries, we fought the cod wars with Iceland over hundreds of years and not being in the right once.
Make your mind up you whingeing Pom, if Aussies saw half your posts on here you would get filled in, you are NOT one of us any more!
“You are not one of us any more” I don’t know Syd but I’m pretty sure he isn’t 12.
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Sure have History Syd, we have dug them out twice from Germany's tour of Europe and they still hate us.
Probably still sick about us locking up their hero the little Italian import Napoleon, come to think of it they haven't won a lot for quite a while. there is certainly more films of them trudging back from beatings than going the other way.
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Surely Selby we only dug them out because of American support. Also, having had a house in France, they don't hate us, only this weekend we had a WhatsApp to join in with a birthday celebration. They may dislike our government's attitude, but then do so many Brits.
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Sure have History Syd, we have dug them out twice from Germany's tour of Europe and they still hate us.
Probably still sick about us locking up their hero the little Italian import Napoleon, come to think of it they haven't won a lot for quite a while. there is certainly more films of them trudging back from beatings than going the other way.
Sorry to disagree on one point Selby, the Bonaparte family heritage was indeed Italian, how ever being born in French territory, Corsica, does in fact make him French
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I guess he would have also qualified to play for Italy though.
Back in the day. :chair:
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The old joke.
Can Napoleon remember his nationality?
Corsican.
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Sure have History Syd, we have dug them out twice from Germany's tour of Europe and they still hate us.
Probably still sick about us locking up their hero the little Italian import Napoleon, come to think of it they haven't won a lot for quite a while. there is certainly more films of them trudging back from beatings than going the other way.
We should have left them to have a jackboot stamped in their face twice. There was nothing in it for us in either world war. If the square heads wanted to bully europe we should have left them to it as long as we weren't involved. Ungrateful bas**rds.
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Ay Hounslow, I suppose to people who are racial against their own British people we are not very good at anything, just join the club and dish us some more. I have two uncles buried over there I never met just out on a jaunt following John Wayne and his mates.
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70% of the French kids born in between 1941 and 1946 are half French/German that's why they get on now!
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Selby, what is being racial about their own British people mean? Is it because one disagrees?
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Hounslow, you were the one belittling our armed forces success of defending democracy in mainland Europe, which I might add they did for quite a period alone against both axis main protagonists Germany in Europe and Japan in the Far East all the time while the United States built up their war machine under peaceful conditions and were quite content to do so until attacked themselves by Japan.
I am more than willing to accept that the war was won with the help of the USA and even more so by the Russian armed forces whose numbers alone were the reason Germany was defeated.
But I get just a little peeved when people who were on the wrong end of a democratic vote, something those soldiers of all allied countries gave their lives for to protect, is belittled by mainly still sore remainers six years later trying to score browny points with the racial undertone against their own country.
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Selby, where did I belittle the role of British and Commonwealth troops, I was merely responding to your post that gave the impression the French owe everything to Britain for saving them during the two world wars.
Also, from my reply, why do you think I’m a sore remainer belittling my country and not accepting a democratic decision. Again, where are the racial undertones when pointing out a fact about American support.
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'' “If there wasn’t any Brexit, there wouldn’t be any issues,” he said. “We were getting on fine before that.”
''‘I wish I’d voted to stay in’: Brixham fishers on the cost of Brexit
Opinions vary in the south Devon town, but some want the UK to get tough on the French''
''Asked how he now views the prime minister, he pauses. “I’m disappointed,” he replies bitterly. “He never mentioned the extra costs.”''
Hands up if you believed booster johnson ........... there is never a downside
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/nov/01/i-wish-id-voted-to-stay-in-brixham-fishers-on-the-cost-of-brexit
Added:
''Jersey has issued another 49 licences to French boats in an apparent attempt to de-escalate a post-Brexit row over fishing rights in which the UK and France have issued tit-for-tat threats''
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So we left the ‘corrupt’ EU -
because they didn’t let us be properly corrupt?
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Time to catch up on the latest figures on how well Johnson's deal is going.
According to Government data, all the new trade deals they have conducted so far will be worth 50p per person per year - 178 times less than what the country will have lost from his deal:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-trade-deals-australia-new-zealand-b1952442.html
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Time to catch up on the latest figures on how well Johnson's deal is going.
According to Government data, all the new trade deals they have conducted so far will be worth 50p per person per year - 178 times less than what the country will have lost from his deal:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-trade-deals-australia-new-zealand-b1952442.html
Yeh, but....
(https://i.imgur.com/mYUCEfy.jpg)
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Yet another ecample
"For Estonia, the influx of British businesses has contributed to a big jump in tax revenues and reinforced the country’s reputation as a hub of innovation. Their departure from the UK is a stark example the negative impacts of Brexit."
nytimes. com
#BrexitReality
https://t.co/fJdbZdzUWG
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Yet another ecample
"For Estonia, the influx of British businesses has contributed to a big jump in tax revenues and reinforced the country’s reputation as a hub of innovation. Their departure from the UK is a stark example the negative impacts of Brexit."
nytimes. com
#BrexitReality
https://t.co/fJdbZdzUWG
Not exactly thousands of employees. Two balloons and a goldfish.
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Anti Brexit mob won't be happy, Rolls Royce intend developing Small Modular Reactors at the Advanced Industrial business Park at Orgreave, even worse £210 million of Government funding and £197 Million invested by a French Billionaire family! The Reactors costing £2 billion each will provide Carbon free power to 1 million homes, they propose to build 32. This will creat 40,000 jobs in a very advanced high tech industry.
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Yet another ecample
"For Estonia, the influx of British businesses has contributed to a big jump in tax revenues and reinforced the country’s reputation as a hub of innovation. Their departure from the UK is a stark example the negative impacts of Brexit."
nytimes. com
#BrexitReality
https://t.co/fJdbZdzUWG
Good grief some Tax dodger sets up a micro company ' Vistal 'in European Tax haven, hopes to employ 10 Brits and 20 Estonians (who need to speak English) also there are 4,000 other Micro tax dodgers set up there Wow! Haven't they got full employment in Estonia due to Oil shale deposits? Massive workforce with a massive Population of 1.4 million,a non Aryan based language and a very large unfriendly neighbour.
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Anti Brexit mob won't be happy, Rolls Royce intend developing Small Modular Reactors at the Advanced Industrial business Park at Orgreave, even worse £210 million of Government funding and £197 Million invested by a French Billionaire family! The Reactors costing £2 billion each will provide Carbon free power to 1 million homes, they propose to build 32. This will creat 40,000 jobs in a very advanced high tech industry.
Great news. That's more local work at the AMRC that was set up under the last Labour Govt with support from the EU Regional Development Fund. That fund that was designed to invest in the infrastructure of areas that had been f**ked all over by the previous national governments.
Remind me what this has to do with Brexit?
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Anti Brexit mob won't be happy, Rolls Royce intend developing Small Modular Reactors at the Advanced Industrial business Park at Orgreave, even worse £210 million of Government funding and £197 Million invested by a French Billionaire family! The Reactors costing £2 billion each will provide Carbon free power to 1 million homes, they propose to build 32. This will creat 40,000 jobs in a very advanced high tech industry.
The "anti Brexit mob" are usually pro-British investment and jobs, hence why they're anti-Brexit as that reduced those things. Saying we're against companies investing in the UK is up there with saying we're anti-British because we don't want sewage in our rivers.
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Anti Brexit mob won't be happy, Rolls Royce intend developing Small Modular Reactors at the Advanced Industrial business Park at Orgreave, even worse £210 million of Government funding and £197 Million invested by a French Billionaire family! The Reactors costing £2 billion each will provide Carbon free power to 1 million homes, they propose to build 32. This will creat 40,000 jobs in a very advanced high tech industry.
Great news. That's more local work at the AMRC that was set up under the last Labour Govt with support from the EU Regional Development Fund. That fund that was designed to invest in the infrastructure of areas that had been f**ked all over by the previous national governments.
Remind me what this has to do with Brexit?
Here's another piece of good news touted as being a Brexit benefit....
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-trumph-uk-firm-announces-first-commercial-flights-of-revolutionary-hydrogen-plane/ar-AAQvg09?ocid=mailsignout&li=AAnZ9Ug
It just goes to show how desperate they are to try and create a fictitious narrative that claims "Brexit Triumphs" which are entirely unrelated to Brexit.
A few question arise form the article....
If hydrogen is the most abundant element on the planet, why does it have to be shipped from Australia to the UK? And at what cost?
Is the shipping of the hydrogen climate-neutral or is it done using diesel-powered ships or aviation fuel powered aeroplanes?
Is their test plane actually powered by hydrogen or is it powered by batteries?
Why has Boris been Photoshopped into the picture?
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1521563/nexit-news-Netherlands-leave-eu-shell-moves-to-uk-Brexit-dutch-pride
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Nothing to do with any proposed nexit.
It’s because Netherlands will be underwater by the end of the century.
Mind you, so could a great deal of the uk by then too.
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1521563/nexit-news-Netherlands-leave-eu-shell-moves-to-uk-Brexit-dutch-pride
''Shell basing itself in the UK is not a vote of confidence in the economy''
''So is Shell’s decision a “clear vote of confidence in the British economy,” as Kwasi Kwarteng, the business secretary, claimed? Not really. One doubts Shell’s directors spent any time pondering the state of the UK economy. It’s really a question of Anglo-Dutch multinationals’ frustration with the Dutch system of applying a 15% withholding tax on dividends''
https://www.theguardian.com/business/nils-pratley-on-finance/2021/nov/15/shell-basing-itself-in-the-uk-is-not-a-vote-of-confidence-in-the-economy
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I suppose not many will be saying the jobs Data is nothing to do with Brexit then, must be terrible when good news comes in.
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Fuming I am.
We urgently need a stair lift for my wife, and the local company here in Northern Ireland will fit one day after the parts arrive from the mainland.
Previously all stair lifts were shipped from the manufacturer in GB individually and immediately. Now, unlike the rest of the UK, because of paperwork the manufacturer waits until they have several lifts in an order and only ship once or twice a week to Northern Ireland. We already have more than a week's delay. Each day is a nightmare and a serious potentially fatal accident waiting to happen.
Thanks Boris.
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We have had a nice example of Brexit. My wife's grandmother died in Italy this summer. She's the next of kin and we are trying to sell the old lass's house (for a pittance). My wife had to go to the Italian Embassy in London to have her signature witnessed on some of the sale documents whcih she then posted to the solicitor in Italy.
That was 28 days ago.
27 days ago, the Royal Mail document tracker had them as being ready to be shipped to Italy.
Then no update for weeks. The solicitor getting frantic. The buyer threatening to pull out because of the delay.
This lunchtime, the tracker has just been updated to say the documents are now in transit to Italy. We've contacted the Royal Mail and been told the delay is sue to Brexit paperwork.
Not as serious as yours DU and I hope that one is sorted soon. But this is an example of that must be being repeated thousands and thousands of times every day of every week.
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Fuming I am.
We urgently need a stair lift for my wife, and the local company here in Northern Ireland will fit one day after the parts arrive from the mainland.
Previously all stair lifts were shipped from the manufacturer in GB individually and immediately. Now, unlike the rest of the UK, because of paperwork the manufacturer waits until they have several lifts in an order and only ship once or twice a week to Northern Ireland. We already have more than a week's delay. Each day is a nightmare and a serious potentially fatal accident waiting to happen.
Thanks Boris.
Boris still didn't know last Autumn, just before we left the EU but whilst still negotiating the Withdrawal what a Custom Union is or what it does. And people trusted that he knew what he was doing as well as believing in the bullshit he spouted about how things were going to be ('oven-ready' etc.).
https://www.cityam.com/brexit-boris-johnson-never-understood-what-leaving-customs-union-meant-says-cummings/
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Max Hastings, the first of Johnson's bosses to sack him for lying, very presciently said almost a decade ago that if Britain ever decided to make Johnson PM, we would have given up any pretence of being a serious nation.
That is precisely what has happened. People think they've elected a buffoonish showman. That would have been bad enough but the reality is far worse. We have elected a venal narcissist who is utterly bored with detail and has no real understanding of the magnitude of the task of being PM. That's why he just lies when he's put on the spot - like he did about the NI Customs Border. God f**king help us if we face a truly existential crisis while he is still in No10.
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Do you mean something like a global pandemic, BST?
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I mean a pandemic that would kill 20% of the population or a Great Depression style crash or a near-peer war.
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Yeah, we need a proper inspirational leader, like Sir Winston Starmer.
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Animal from the Muppets is more inspirational than Boris, so he'll do.
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Should be a landslide for Labour in the next GE then!
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We have had a nice example of Brexit. My wife's grandmother died in Italy this summer. She's the next of kin and we are trying to sell the old lass's house (for a pittance). My wife had to go to the Italian Embassy in London to have her signature witnessed on some of the sale documents whcih she then posted to the solicitor in Italy.
That was 28 days ago.
27 days ago, the Royal Mail document tracker had them as being ready to be shipped to Italy.
Then no update for weeks. The solicitor getting frantic. The buyer threatening to pull out because of the delay.
This lunchtime, the tracker has just been updated to say the documents are now in transit to Italy. We've contacted the Royal Mail and been told the delay is sue to Brexit paperwork.
Not as serious as yours DU and I hope that one is sorted soon. But this is an example of that must be being repeated thousands and thousands of times every day of every week.
‘Royal Mail blame Brexit for own incompetence’
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We have had a nice example of Brexit. My wife's grandmother died in Italy this summer. She's the next of kin and we are trying to sell the old lass's house (for a pittance). My wife had to go to the Italian Embassy in London to have her signature witnessed on some of the sale documents whcih she then posted to the solicitor in Italy.
That was 28 days ago.
27 days ago, the Royal Mail document tracker had them as being ready to be shipped to Italy.
Then no update for weeks. The solicitor getting frantic. The buyer threatening to pull out because of the delay.
This lunchtime, the tracker has just been updated to say the documents are now in transit to Italy. We've contacted the Royal Mail and been told the delay is sue to Brexit paperwork.
Not as serious as yours DU and I hope that one is sorted soon. But this is an example of that must be being repeated thousands and thousands of times every day of every week.
‘Royal Mail blame Brexit for own incompetence’
I sold an eBay item to someone in Italy.
The parcel was delivered in four days.
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I know a lady based in Scicily who exports Lambrettas to the uk. She puts them in a lorry, 2 days later, they are here.
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Perhaps it’s just Billy who has a problem.
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Maybe we should get the lady in Italy and hound to sort out the brexit mess
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I buy a lot of vinyl, been on Discogs collecting for about 10 years. My purchases with Europe was about 60%, uk 25%, 5% ROW. When the Brexit changes came in this year, it’s decimated my ability to buy at a reasonable price.
The cost of buying from Europe with VAT and additional shipping has now made it not viable. Records I could pick up for for £10 in Europe are now costing me £20+ and you literally do not know when the records will arrive wether they will take 3-4 days as they did before Brexit to my worst being 13 weeks (Holland). Admittedly most are now within 14 days but that is a huge difference in time & cost.
What this has done is propel the domestic 2nd hand vinyl market to ridiculous heights, it’s now at a price point where sales have stagnated.
As minuscule a problem this is in the grand scheme of things relating to Brexit, personally this has been the one that’s hit me the hardest.
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Notes from a small Island (shameless steal)
''Van drivers in UK will need new operating licences to enter EU from May
Latest Brexit red tape will come into force alongside a series of further checks at Dover and other ports''
''The licence will cost van drivers up to £1,100, a significant burden for solo operators, industry leaders said.
Drivers will have to fork out £257 in an application fee and a further £401 for the licence. Another £401 “continuation fee” will be payable every five years to retain the licence, according to gov.uk.
The rules will hit small traders such as couriers or importers of wine or vintage and antique goods, the Road Haulage Association said.
Rod McKenzie, the managing director of policy and public affairs at the RHA, said: “This is just more bureaucracy. It’s been flagged for some time but could be a problem for the one-man bands or small operators who are simply too busy running their business day to day to have noticed this.”
Drivers will also need to assign a staff member or themselves as “transport manager” – a named individual to ensure the driver follows industry regulations and tax payments in the EU after Brexit.
The person will either have to demonstrate they have managed fleets of vehicles for at least 10 years or will have to complete a course to qualify for a transport manager qualification.
A slew of other rules in the UK will hit hauliers of all sizes from 1 January when EU exporters need to register for a goods vehicle movement service (GVMS) as full customs controls will apply to all goods moving in both directions between the EU and Great Britain.
Hauliers who do not have the paperwork will not be allowed to board a ferry or shuttle.
f**k Business
Vote for boris
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Free trade deal signed with OZ...... is it good? - I'm sure the experts on here will know.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59690080
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Free trade deal signed with OZ...... is it good? - I'm sure the experts on here will know.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59690080
It's not clear if any origin rules will apply.