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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: danumdon on October 03, 2021, 10:05:37 am
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What did we think of Max Watters performance yesterday?
I thought he looked to me like he had put on some considerable size and looked very quick off the mark. I watched him for a while, he was making countless runs into space and behind our central defenders, the fact that they neglected to play him a through ball was fortunate for us. He looked an improved striker to me and i believe he would of added something to our forward play.
That he got taken off early in the second half was i think a mixture of them not capitalising on his runs and movement and some determined defending by Anderson and Williams.
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What did we think of Max Watters performance yesterday?
I thought he looked to me like he had put on some considerable size and looked very quick off the mark. I watched him for a while, he was making countless runs into space and behind our central defenders, the fact that they neglected to play him a through ball was fortunate for us. He looked an improved striker to me and i believe he would of added something to our forward play.
That he got taken off early in the second half was i think a mixture of them not capitalising on his runs and movement and some determined defending by Anderson and Williams.
Not sure about the determination of Williams, Watters ran passed him like he wasn’t there numerous times, I thought Williams was supposed to be quick, I’ve not seen any quickness about him yet
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He must get going after 50 yards
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I was saving that fact about him leaving Williams for dead for my reply ;)
The fact that he had done it on more than a couple of occasions is why i thought they played well to stop him creating anything of note.
To compare and contract his performance with the of Dodoo(admitting he's not an out and out striker) was telling, his movement was very good and he dragged out central defence to places they did not want to be, that they kept him quite was a plus for them. With a smarter and more proactive midfield he could of scored or created plenty.
Dropped a right bollock letting him go. Thank's Mr Wonderful Moore.
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To get back to Watters......He definitely looks to have strengthened and has a turn of pace. In the second half, before he was subbed, I feared it was a matter of time before he got on the end of a through ball. He had the beating of our defence on both sides.
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He's had one decent season in L2 for Crawley. Done nothing before and since leaving Crawley. Didn't see much from him yesterday but still a young lad. Needs to start finding the Crawley form at a higher level soon though or will just be another that falls by the wayside.
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Thought he looked ok. Certainly didn’t look a million pound striker that’s for sure.
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Re: Williams. It doesn’t matter how fast you are, if you don’t read things quick enough people will run past you.
Tracking runners is one of our very weak areas of the team. Too many ball watchers. Williams and Bostock are the main culprits but plenty of the others are below average in that regards.
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Exactly that Gaz plus the attacker always has the advantage unless you can always guess their movement.
I was a pretty poor footballer when I played but being quick did save me because I could catch 90% of others even with a head start on me.
I actually think we have positioning problems in our defence which is a tactical thing that mk exploited quite well yesterday. However, on the same vein we kept our widemen up the pitch and inevitably that mini gamble won is the game in the end. Win some you lose some.
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He's definitely bulked up a bit but I didn't reckon much to his performance overall. Yes, he made a few runs but didn't have many touches throughout the game and wasn't surprised he was subbed.
Had he been A N Other player, I don't think anyone would have noticed him and understood what all the fuss was about when he was released. Well, there was no fuss, only when he started scoring goals at Crawley.
Yes, in an ideal situation we would have liked to have kept him but he wouldn't have got anywhere near the game time he had at Crawley or scored the goals that alerted Cardiff however, the situation was far from ideal.
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I wonder what DM didn’t see in him to let him go, our loss was certainly Crawley’s gain.
COYR
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To get back to Watters......He definitely looks to have strengthened and has a turn of pace. In the second half, before he was subbed, I feared it was a matter of time before he got on the end of a through ball. He had the beating of our defence on both sides.
He did get on the end of one through ball, but Dahlberg spotted it and closed him down and the resulting shot was blocked, but he was through and clear.
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All the lads released that year five in total were treated shabbily by Darren Moore who had total control over the situation, He was disgusting and harmed the clubs reputation.
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Cardiff spent a load of money on another striker didn’t they, he’s got the chance now at MK we’ll see how good he is.
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To be fair to DM, Watters had plenty of loan spells at quite a mediocre level where he failed to score goals, I don’t think anyone could have foreseen how well he did at Crawley! Fair play to Max for getting his career back on track, many would’ve fallen by the way side!
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To be fair to DM, Watters had plenty of loan spells at quite a mediocre level where he failed to score goals, I don’t think anyone could have foreseen how well he did at Crawley! Fair play to Max for getting his career back on track, many would’ve fallen by the way side!
Wasn't he mainly playing on the right wing in those loan spells though?
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Exactly that Gaz plus the attacker always has the advantage unless you can always guess their movement.
I was a pretty poor footballer when I played but being quick did save me because I could catch 90% of others even with a head start on me.
I actually think we have positioning problems in our defence which is a tactical thing that mk exploited quite well yesterday. However, on the same vein we kept our widemen up the pitch and inevitably that mini gamble won is the game in the end. Win some you lose some.
It was noticeable that we kept two up front in wide positions when we were defending corners. It meant the Dons had to keep 3 players back to defend in case the ball was cleared deep.
I’ve never been a fan of not having an outlet at corners. If you pack the penalty area with bodies surely it’s more difficult for the keeper to either get to the ball or react from a shot on goal & if you get a situation where the ball becomes a ping pong it’s a 50/50 whether or not we get an opportunity to clear it or the opposition get a goal from a toe poke.
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All the lads released that year five in total were treated shabbily by Darren Moore who had total control over the situation, He was disgusting and harmed the clubs reputation.
The club disbanded the U23 side after we had seen a good number of good trialists. So how do you keep 5 young players on the wage bill when the playing budget was decreased due to Covid. None of them were outstanding and only Watters found themselves a league club. If we had kept him would he played the amount of games he played at Crawley therefore would he have scored the amount of goals at league 1 he scored at league 2. Decision were made and wages would have been involved so we can blame DM but he had decisions to make how to use his playing budget.
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To be fair to DM, Watters had plenty of loan spells at quite a mediocre level where he failed to score goals, I don’t think anyone could have foreseen how well he did at Crawley! Fair play to Max for getting his career back on track, many would’ve fallen by the way side!
Maybe that a good manager (Yems) can get the best out of players something DM seems to lack.
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Exactly that Gaz plus the attacker always has the advantage unless you can always guess their movement.
I was a pretty poor footballer when I played but being quick did save me because I could catch 90% of others even with a head start on me.
I actually think we have positioning problems in our defence which is a tactical thing that mk exploited quite well yesterday. However, on the same vein we kept our widemen up the pitch and inevitably that mini gamble won is the game in the end. Win some you lose some.
It was noticeable that we kept two up front in wide positions when we were defending corners. It meant the Dons had to keep 3 players back to defend in case the ball was cleared deep.
I’ve never been a fan of not having an outlet at corners. If you pack the penalty area with bodies surely it’s more difficult for the keeper to either get to the ball or react from a shot on goal & if you get a situation where the ball becomes a ping pong it’s a 50/50 whether or not we get an opportunity to clear it or the opposition get a goal from a toe poke.
:that: Worked quite well at Brentford a while back
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Exactly that Gaz plus the attacker always has the advantage unless you can always guess their movement.
I was a pretty poor footballer when I played but being quick did save me because I could catch 90% of others even with a head start on me.
I actually think we have positioning problems in our defence which is a tactical thing that mk exploited quite well yesterday. However, on the same vein we kept our widemen up the pitch and inevitably that mini gamble won is the game in the end. Win some you lose some.
It was noticeable that we kept two up front in wide positions when we were defending corners. It meant the Dons had to keep 3 players back to defend in case the ball was cleared deep.
I’ve never been a fan of not having an outlet at corners. If you pack the penalty area with bodies surely it’s more difficult for the keeper to either get to the ball or react from a shot on goal & if you get a situation where the ball becomes a ping pong it’s a 50/50 whether or not we get an opportunity to clear it or the opposition get a goal from a toe poke.
:that: Worked quite well at Brentford a while back
that wasn’t a corner though was it lol
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Max Watters looks like Jamie Vardy he plays on the shoulder of the last man, similar build and stans he will go on and score goals and play at a higher level IMO.
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I was quite worried about Watters and Parrott but to say how much ball MK had they didn’t really cause us too many problems. Parrott did win the header for the MK goal which was worrying, same old set piece defending that we’ve seemed to struggle with for years, with the Saunders’ side being the exception.
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Exactly that Gaz plus the attacker always has the advantage unless you can always guess their movement.
I was a pretty poor footballer when I played but being quick did save me because I could catch 90% of others even with a head start on me.
I actually think we have positioning problems in our defence which is a tactical thing that mk exploited quite well yesterday. However, on the same vein we kept our widemen up the pitch and inevitably that mini gamble won is the game in the end. Win some you lose some.
It was noticeable that we kept two up front in wide positions when we were defending corners. It meant the Dons had to keep 3 players back to defend in case the ball was cleared deep.
I’ve never been a fan of not having an outlet at corners. If you pack the penalty area with bodies surely it’s more difficult for the keeper to either get to the ball or react from a shot on goal & if you get a situation where the ball becomes a ping pong it’s a 50/50 whether or not we get an opportunity to clear it or the opposition get a goal from a toe poke.
I agree with this, Colin, if you leave two up there it means they have to have at least two marking them, less in our box to deal with. Plus you have two ready for a quick break. You will gain goals over the season doing this.
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Exactly that Gaz plus the attacker always has the advantage unless you can always guess their movement.
I was a pretty poor footballer when I played but being quick did save me because I could catch 90% of others even with a head start on me.
I actually think we have positioning problems in our defence which is a tactical thing that mk exploited quite well yesterday. However, on the same vein we kept our widemen up the pitch and inevitably that mini gamble won is the game in the end. Win some you lose some.
It was noticeable that we kept two up front in wide positions when we were defending corners. It meant the Dons had to keep 3 players back to defend in case the ball was cleared deep.
I’ve never been a fan of not having an outlet at corners. If you pack the penalty area with bodies surely it’s more difficult for the keeper to either get to the ball or react from a shot on goal & if you get a situation where the ball becomes a ping pong it’s a 50/50 whether or not we get an opportunity to clear it or the opposition get a goal from a toe poke.
I agree with this, Colin, if you leave two up there it means they have to have at least two marking them, less in our box to deal with. Plus you have two ready for a quick break. You will gain goals over the season doing this.
I think the theory is that the more players there are in the box for a corner, the more difficult it is for the attacking side to get an unimpeded run and jump for a header, or a clear sight of goal of the ball drops to them.
So yeah, you might score more by having two players on the halfway line, but equally, you'll probably concede more.
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I'm pretty sure McCann experimented with leaving three up in a home game against Fleetwood. We lost 4-0 and at least two were corners. The Fleetwood players had all the space in the world to attack the corners.
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I was never a fan of having everyone back for corners like we did under Moore, I'm sure his argument was stats based, sides concede fewer goals from corners this way, probably for the reason Billy states above.
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Leave one up front as a pacy outlet.
If we can’t defend a corner properly with ten players, that is pants..
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Exactly that Gaz plus the attacker always has the advantage unless you can always guess their movement.
I was a pretty poor footballer when I played but being quick did save me because I could catch 90% of others even with a head start on me.
I actually think we have positioning problems in our defence which is a tactical thing that mk exploited quite well yesterday. However, on the same vein we kept our widemen up the pitch and inevitably that mini gamble won is the game in the end. Win some you lose some.
It was noticeable that we kept two up front in wide positions when we were defending corners. It meant the Dons had to keep 3 players back to defend in case the ball was cleared deep.
I’ve never been a fan of not having an outlet at corners. If you pack the penalty area with bodies surely it’s more difficult for the keeper to either get to the ball or react from a shot on goal & if you get a situation where the ball becomes a ping pong it’s a 50/50 whether or not we get an opportunity to clear it or the opposition get a goal from a toe poke.
I agree with this, Colin, if you leave two up there it means they have to have at least two marking them, less in our box to deal with. Plus you have two ready for a quick break. You will gain goals over the season doing this.
I think the theory is that the more players there are in the box for a corner, the more difficult it is for the attacking side to get an unimpeded run and jump for a header, or a clear sight of goal of the ball drops to them.
So yeah, you might score more by having two players on the halfway line, but equally, you'll probably concede more.
Maybe, Billy, but unless the opposition cover those said players ,then they could have problems .
You can have too many players in your own box. You leave smaller quicker players on half way, who won’t contribute aerially anyway.
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Exactly that Gaz plus the attacker always has the advantage unless you can always guess their movement.
I was a pretty poor footballer when I played but being quick did save me because I could catch 90% of others even with a head start on me.
I actually think we have positioning problems in our defence which is a tactical thing that mk exploited quite well yesterday. However, on the same vein we kept our widemen up the pitch and inevitably that mini gamble won is the game in the end. Win some you lose some.
It was noticeable that we kept two up front in wide positions when we were defending corners. It meant the Dons had to keep 3 players back to defend in case the ball was cleared deep.
I’ve never been a fan of not having an outlet at corners. If you pack the penalty area with bodies surely it’s more difficult for the keeper to either get to the ball or react from a shot on goal & if you get a situation where the ball becomes a ping pong it’s a 50/50 whether or not we get an opportunity to clear it or the opposition get a goal from a toe poke.
I agree with this, Colin, if you leave two up there it means they have to have at least two marking them, less in our box to deal with. Plus you have two ready for a quick break. You will gain goals over the season doing this.
I think the theory is that the more players there are in the box for a corner, the more difficult it is for the attacking side to get an unimpeded run and jump for a header, or a clear sight of goal of the ball drops to them.
So yeah, you might score more by having two players on the halfway line, but equally, you'll probably concede more.
The defending team are at a significant advantage by virtue of the relative size of the targets each team has. They have the whole width of the pitch to aim for whilst the attackers' target is the size of the goalposts.
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Looked average to me, did make some decent runs, but also spent a lot of time moaning to the ref.
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See to me average is what we could do with right now, do we consider our current situation average? because at the moment it's certainly not. He looked more than average to me, his movement was good and his pace off the mark was finding him gaps that his midfielders failed to capitalise on. The guy was never given a proper go in our first team when he did get minutes he was left out wide and starved of possession. I'd say he's better than anyone we currently have playing for us.
Also to touch on moaning and whinging at the ref, why do we not do this more? its probability a statistical fact that teams that get into the face of the officials tend to get the rub of the green more than the angelic, quite and accepting teams.
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It's all well and good saying he looks better than what we have now, we didn't let him go yesterday. Hes had the benefit of playing in various other teams, maturing and being a million pound player in a championship side with all the facilities that brings. Hindsight is crystal but you can't compare the lad that left to the man that played last week .
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It's all well and good saying he looks better than what we have now, we didn't let him go yesterday. Hes had the benefit of playing in various other teams, maturing and being a million pound player in a championship side with all the facilities that brings. Hindsight is crystal but you can't compare the lad that left to the man that played last week .
Totally agree with all that. Even if he had stayed, does anyone think he would have had the opportunities to blossom as he did with Crawley?