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Viking Chat => Doncaster Rovers Belles => Topic started by: ditch_drfc on October 13, 2021, 08:50:44 am
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So one of our players requires surgery...
OK it's a Belles player, Sophie Scargill, who got injured in a match.
Appalled to see she's having to crowd fund to pay for the surgery. It's 5k. Can't the club do something about that? What happens in men's football? Does the club pay for it?
https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/sophie-scargill?utm_term=yA3dyZJjK
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SURELY the club can pay for this??
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You would have thought so. Can anyone on here not challenge the club. Just seems obscene. She's the Belles captain fgs.
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Seems poor for the club not to pay for it, part time or not.
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I believe she is an employee of the club too, for her full time job.
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Perhaps a half way house and the club pay half?
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Where's Marcus Rashford when you need him!
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Hope she gets right soon.
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Where's Marcus Rashford when you need him!
I think he's having a well earned rest from his part time job. Virtue Signaller. Nothing to do with the railways either.
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If she needs it wont the NHS do it?
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If she needs it wont the NHS do it?
This is honestly the funniest joke i've seen for a long, long time. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Shes our player yet joe wright who's contract has expired were still paying for his recovery , makes sense :facepalm:
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Shes our player yet joe wright who's contract has expired were still paying for his recovery , makes sense :facepalm:
Maybe Joe Wright has got special knees?
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I believe she is an employee of the club too, for her full time job.
Yes, she works in the commercial department
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I though this was about England players as they seem to have a knee problem, they can't stop bending them.
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Don’t…
Go..
There…
Back to the OP - if this injury was sustained representing the club, isn’t there insurance to cover such costs.?
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Don’t…
Go..
There…
Back to the OP - if this injury was sustained representing the club, isn’t there insurance to cover such costs.?
I’d have thought so even Sunday league sides have to have that (or did)
Maybe it wasn’t in a game ?
Edit just read OP it states it was in a game
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Where's Marcus Rashford when you need him!
I think he's having a well earned rest from his part time job. Virtue Signaller. Nothing to do with the railways either.
Nice one :zzz:
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I believe she is an employee of the club too, for her full time job.
weird this ..............
in the early hours of today was looking at the costs of sponsoring the three remaining players including our forward H.......... ?
and details of sponsorship (it cost £600) there was an email address at the club to contact with a name you can't really forget Scargill
So woz sumwot amazed to see that same name on this thread this morning
wouldn't for a moment suggest " Rovers could pay arfur the costs of Scargill"
I would like to think she is trying to show some iniative to help the club out with their costs
wouldn't have brought this up but for the co-incidence of this thread
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Yeah she's a commercial executive at the club as well as the captain of the Belles. She injured it playing football... Didn't say it was for the club to be fair but she did write this "I turned my world upside down when I completely ruptured my lateral meniscus and caused severe trauma to the main ligaments in my knee while playing football."
You'd expect that the club would stump up whatever the cost is for the captain of their team. Surely they would for the men's?
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You would imagine the club will top it up. The Belles as an amateur team will not be insured the same way as the men are.
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£20 donated, give what you can peeps.
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I see Niall Mason has donated...
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Just for some clarity, Sophie suffered this freak injury during a Belles training session.
She was informed she would have to wait 80 (Eight-zero) weeks to have the operation done on the NHS.
Her consultant told her that if she waited that long, then there would be no chance of her playing football ever again, never mind engage in sport.
Hence her decision to go private, where she could be up and running again in 9 months if all goes well (no guarantee of that of course).
No idea whether Club Don are financially supporting Sophie in this, so will hold fire on commenting on that.
BVB
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Just for some clarity, Sophie suffered this freak injury during a Belles training session.
She was informed she would have to wait 80 (Eight-zero) weeks to have the operation done on the NHS.
Her consultant told her that if she waited that long, then there would be no chance of her playing football ever again, never mind engage in sport.
Hence her decision to go private, where she could be up and running again in 9 months if all goes well (no guarantee of that of course).
No idea whether Club Don are financially supporting Sophie in this, so will hold fire on commenting on that.
BVB
Good to hear the facts BVB
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Can't her Uncle Arthur pay for it?
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Yet we pay Joe Wright's treatment who never wanted to be here.
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A few ex players have donated too, Copps, Whiteman, Blair, Mason and McSheffrey.... nice touch
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I just went to put £20 but for her to get £20 I have to up it to £23 as crowdfunder take a cut. Can't we give it to a central fund so that she gets every penny collected?
I don't mind crowdfunder taking a bit but 15% seems too much.
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I put in ‘other’ and it only charged me a pound for £20. I agree, it should all go to her!
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There is an option to set crowd funder to 0 - that's what I did.
Would be great to see support for her from the VSC Forum members.
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There is an option to set crowd funder to 0 - that's what I did.
Would be great to see support for her from the VSC Forum members.
Same here CR
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Not sure how up to date this is ................
''Neglect of player welfare is something women’s football must address fast
Basics such as medical care and insurance are being left behind and players are paying with their careers in a growing game''
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/sep/17/player-welfare-womens-football-medical-care-insurance
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It’s going up faster than JR and Tomlinsons crowd funder.
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If Doncaster Belles come under the Club Doncaster umbrella then surety medical insurance should be taken out to cover these types of injuries and surgery. We have women representing the club and they are not covered with medical insurance does not seem right.
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If Doncaster Belles come under the Club Doncaster umbrella then surety medical insurance should be taken out to cover these types of injuries and surgery. We have women representing the club and they are not covered with medical insurance does not seem right.
Is there medical insurance available for part-time footballers?
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If Doncaster Belles come under the Club Doncaster umbrella then surety medical insurance should be taken out to cover these types of injuries and surgery. We have women representing the club and they are not covered with medical insurance does not seem right.
Is there medical insurance available for part-time footballers?
I have just had a quick look on google and straight away Sport health insurance is there to cover amateur and professional sports people. Therefore I would expect the club would know more but surely this ha to be done to cover any more of our women football players.
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If Doncaster Belles come under the Club Doncaster umbrella then surety medical insurance should be taken out to cover these types of injuries and surgery. We have women representing the club and they are not covered with medical insurance does not seem right.
Is there medical insurance available for part-time footballers?
Even junior Sunday league footballers have to be covered by insurance.
Junior football teams have to have an insurance policy in place in order to be affiliated with their County FA
Can’t understand why the club wouldn’t be covering this either directly or via insurance
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Was the injury sustained playing football? if it is not covered by the clubs insurance and as a player the player is covered for injury while playing for the club and in training, surely the club have no responsibility towards the injury as far as compensation is concerned.
If the injury requires specialist medical attention beyond the medical staff at the club then the only option is private or NHS attention the funding of the private medical is not the responsibility of the club if the injury was sustained away from the the club.
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Quote from Free Press
In September 2021, I turned my world upside down when I completely ruptured my lateral meniscus and caused severe trauma to the main ligaments in my knee while playing football
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Doesn’t say whilst playing for (or training with) the Belles:?
Nonetheless it’s a terrible injury for her to deal with and I hope she can come back stronger..
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Just for some clarity, Sophie suffered this freak injury during a Belles training session.
She was informed she would have to wait 80 (Eight-zero) weeks to have the operation done on the NHS.
Her consultant told her that if she waited that long, then there would be no chance of her playing football ever again, never mind engage in sport.
Hence her decision to go private, where she could be up and running again in 9 months if all goes well (no guarantee of that of course).
No idea whether Club Don are financially supporting Sophie in this, so will hold fire on commenting on that.
BVB
Doesn’t say whilst playing for (or training with) the Belles:?
Nonetheless it’s a terrible injury for her to deal with and I hope she can come back stronger..
IDM, post 23 from BVB above. He doesn't say where he obtained the information but if correct it was certainly related to her duties for the Belles.
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Was the injury sustained playing football? if it is not covered by the clubs insurance and as a player the player is covered for injury while playing for the club and in training, surely the club have no responsibility towards the injury as far as compensation is concerned.
If the injury requires specialist medical attention beyond the medical staff at the club then the only option is private or NHS attention the funding of the private medical is not the responsibility of the club if the injury was sustained away from the the club.
As outlined in my earlier post, the injury was sustained during a Belles training session.
My information is directly from Sophie herself.
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In that case I would have thought there should be insurance.??
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I agree
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Just done a little insurance research:
Under the FA “National Game Insurance Scheme”, it’s compulsory for amateur clubs eg in WFA NFL pyramid /affiliated to local county FA (in our case Sheffield & Hallamshire ) to have:
A) public liability cover.
B) personal accident cover.
So Belles will have this, otherwise they wouldn’t be allowed to compete.
Player injuries suffered would come under B) above.
FA use BlueFin Sport as their national broker, and is used by County FAs across the country.
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Having scanned the “Summary of Benefits” (on p4/14) we can maybe work out why Sophie feels the need to raise the money herself to go private, as the lump sum payout for eg. a ruptured knee is £250….
Follow the links here to have a look for yourself. I also checked other county FAs and the “benefits” are similar.
Sheff&Hallamshire:
https://ngis.bluefinsport.co.uk/county-fas/find-my-county-fa/sheffield-and-hallamshire-fa/
BlueFinSport summary of benefits p4:
https://ngis.bluefinsport.co.uk/media-library/bluefin-sport/pdfs/ngis-microsite/cfa-pa-downloads/0406-0521-ngis-adult-intermediate-and-youth-basic-pa-brochure-2021to22_v1.pdf
I have no idea to what extent Club Don may or may not be helping Sophie over and above their insurance responsibilities, so won’t speculate, but like everyone on here I would like to think they are.
Hope this helps
BVB
FA In that case I would have thought there should be insurance.??
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Just done a little insurance research:
Under the FA “National Game Insurance Scheme”, it’s compulsory for amateur clubs eg in WFA NFL pyramid /affiliated to local county FA (in our case Sheffield & Hallamshire ) to have:
A) public liability cover.
B) personal accident cover.
So Belles will have this, otherwise they wouldn’t be allowed to compete.
Player injuries suffered would come under B) above.
FA use BlueFin Sport as their national broker, and is used by County FAs across the country.
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Having scanned the “Summary of Benefits” (on p4/14) we can maybe work out why Sophie feels the need to raise the money herself to go private, as the lump sum payout for eg. a ruptured knee is £250….
Follow the links here to have a look for yourself. I also checked other county FAs and the “benefits” are similar.
Sheff&Hallamshire:
https://ngis.bluefinsport.co.uk/county-fas/find-my-county-fa/sheffield-and-hallamshire-fa/
BlueFinSport summary of benefits p4:
https://ngis.bluefinsport.co.uk/media-library/bluefin-sport/pdfs/ngis-microsite/cfa-pa-downloads/0406-0521-ngis-adult-intermediate-and-youth-basic-pa-brochure-2021to22_v1.pdf
I have no idea to what extent Club Don may or may not be helping Sophie over and above their insurance responsibilities, so won’t speculate, but like everyone on here I would like to think they are.
Hope this helps
BVB
FA In that case I would have thought there should be insurance.??
OK, maybe the £5k is the insurance excess. With the limited information we have, it doesn't reflect on the club in a positive manner.
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The three most recent comments/donations are interesting on the just giving page !!
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The three most recent comments/donations are interesting on the just giving page !!
No they aren’t, I reckon they are fake (comments and names).
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Out of order using that page to point score
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You can type in whatever name you want to use, same with the comments..
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God we've got some proper weirdos in our fan base.
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God we've got some proper weirdos in our fan base.
Have you only just realised lol!
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God we've got some proper weirdos in our fan base.
Have you only just realised lol!
Nah, just brings it to the fore doesn't it. Proper freaks.
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Reset to £1
So She gets £20 and charity £1.
I didn't see any bad comments on there.
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There are two or three mate, probably by the same person too.
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Reset to £1
So She gets £20 and charity £1.
I didn't see any bad comments on there.
Forget the no bad comments. They went over my head at first.
Hopefully they had to pay to make those comments. Saddos.
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Perhaps the insurance for amateur players covers things like loss of wages if they can’t work, rather than medical costs?
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Gary Lineker just donated £3k. Good on him.
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That’s absolutely class from Lineker, brilliant.
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That’s brilliant from him. Does not matter how wealthy he may be he did not have to do it.
All those that have been ‘calling’ him need to have a re think.
Far too many people making judgements about people on social media and forums like this one, who have never met the person and don’t know what they are like as people at all.
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That’s brilliant from him. Does not matter how wealthy he may be he did not have to do it.
All those that have been ‘calling’ him need to have a re think.
Far too many people making judgements about people on social media and forums like this one, who have never met the person and don’t know what they are like as people at all.
This!
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After just 48 hours she has over 150% of her target after big donations from Gary Lineker and Danny Rose The donations from another 80 or so fans will have given her much support psychologically .
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According to Liam Hoden in the free press Club Doncaster had offered to loan Sophie the money on a no interest but she decided to go with the Just Giving route
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Good on them as they will also be paying her salary during her time off I imagine .
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According to Liam Hoden in the free press Club Doncaster had offered to loan Sophie the money on a no interest but she decided to go with the Just Giving route
According to Liam Hoden in the free press Club Doncaster had offered to loan Sophie the money on a no interest but she decided to go with the Just Giving route
According to Liam Hoden in the free press Club Doncaster had offered to loan Sophie the money on a no interest but she decided to go with the Just Giving route
Personally I'm really quite disappointed they chose not to fund it in full for such a serious injury.
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According to Liam Hoden in the free press Club Doncaster had offered to loan Sophie the money on a no interest but she decided to go with the Just Giving route
According to Liam Hoden in the free press Club Doncaster had offered to loan Sophie the money on a no interest but she decided to go with the Just Giving route
According to Liam Hoden in the free press Club Doncaster had offered to loan Sophie the money on a no interest but she decided to go with the Just Giving route
Personally I'm really quite disappointed they chose not to fund it in full for such a serious injury.
I’d like to know the reasoning.
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Danny Rose has also donated £2500.
Superb
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I find it appalling really we are paying for joe Wright and that's good but to not pay for the belles player is just wrong
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I find it appalling really we are paying for joe Wright and that's good but to not pay for the belles player is just wrong
Yeah I've hardly ever gone against the club but unless I'm missing something this was a real own goal. Obviously to the majority of our fan base £5k is a significant outlay but I would think it could have been sorted easily and with a positive media spin by the club in hours.
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The way I see it she plays under club Doncaster, if Anderson gets injured they would pay for the best treatment, Sophie should get the same
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Danny Rose has also donated £2500.
Superb
He has also donated £19k for an NHS day out at YWP
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Danny Rose has also donated £2500.
Superb
He has also donated £19k for an NHS day out at YWP
Class.
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I'm guessing this shows our insurance pays for our player's treatment not us which I'd never considered. As the Belles are amateur they are limited to £250. Still poor when she's a club employee and TB can shell out millions to his old university. Another PR own goal from the club. Although I suspect paying for her operation would set a precedent from their perspective.
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I'm guessing this shows our insurance pays for our player's treatment not us which I'd never considered. As the Belles are amateur they are limited to £250. Still poor when she's a club employee and TB can shell out millions to his old university. Another PR own goal from the club. Although I suspect paying for her operation would set a precedent from their perspective.
That £250 is on the basic bluefin insurance. That’s the same cover as junior Sunday league players have.
I’m sure, like most insurance, there’ll be additional layers to it which will cost more but give greater cover. We obviously don’t know what cover the club has in place for semi and pro players.
However, I find it quite shocking that the club have not sorted this. Shes the captain of a Club Doncaster team, I thought it was all in it together.
Seams that’s not the case and I’ve lost quite a bit of respect for the club with this.
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According to Liam Hoden in the free press Club Doncaster had offered to loan Sophie the money on a no interest but she decided to go with the Just Giving route
Pathetic
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Why don’t we stop criticising Club Doncaster and celebrate the fact that, thanks to modest but heart-felt contributions from some of us Rovers fans, this has clearly gone to the attention of some wealthier members of the football family and Sophie has smashed her target.
Absolutely brilliant.
She will be feeling so pumped up and encouraged by this tonight. Let’s celebrate the positive.
Massive credit to Lineker and Rose.
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Just wondering amongst the general indignation towards Club Don whether that same indignation would be shown if this injury had happened to any of the other Belles players and who don’t have a day job with Club Don.
In my view CD have set a duty of care precedent in offering to loan SS the money - they were under no obligation to do so - and so now in future will they do the same for the rest of the (non-SD employed) Belles squad should any of those unfortunately suffer serious injuries?
And will you lot be there to complain if they don’t then?
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According to Liam Hoden in the free press Club Doncaster had offered to loan Sophie the money on a no interest but she decided to go with the Just Giving route
Pathetic
Pathetic.
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The way I see it she plays under club Doncaster, if Anderson gets injured they would pay for the best treatment, Sophie should get the same
The way I see it:
Anderson - employed and paid by CD to play professional football. Insured to a higher level so that he gets the (private) treatment he needs to be able to do his job.
Scargill: not directly employed/ paid to play amateur football for Belles. Insured to the National & County FA recommended level for WFL Tier 4 teams- but payment for this type of injury completely woeful.
Club Doncaster offers to loan interest-free to cover the op. Under no legal obligation to do so, but does.
A generous offer in the circumstances.
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It's great that so many people have got behind this and supported her cause.
At the same time , I think so many have also jumped the gun and called the club out without knowing diddly squat about the agreement that supports the Belles.
Let's shoot first and ask questions later eh!?
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There is a huge divide between the men’s and women’s game and Sophie’s experience is a prime example of this.
I know some excellent academics who are doing fantastic work and research regarding the professionalisation of women’s football.
For those on Twitter search for: Alex Culvin (ex Belles player), Ali Bowes and Beth Clarkson as a starting point
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I see that someone by the name of Daniel Levy has made a contribution…£2.00.
Seriously, the real Daniel Levy? :lol:
www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/sophie-scargill?utm_term=yA3dyZJjK
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Why don’t we stop criticising Club Doncaster and celebrate the fact that, thanks to modest but heart-felt contributions from some of us Rovers fans, this has clearly gone to the attention of some wealthier members of the football family and Sophie has smashed her target.
Absolutely brilliant.
She will be feeling so pumped up and encouraged by this tonight. Let’s celebrate the positive.
Massive credit to Lineker and Rose.
Well said Pancho.
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I see that someone by the name of Daniel Levy has made a contribution…£2.00.
Seriously, the real Daniel Levy? :lol:
www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/sophie-scargill?utm_term=yA3dyZJjK
I think that is unlikely Wilts. Would make himself look a bit stupid if it was him.
Maybe it should read £200 or £2.000 and is a misprint.
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I see that someone by the name of Daniel Levy has made a contribution…£2.00.
Seriously, the real Daniel Levy? :lol:
www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/sophie-scargill?utm_term=yA3dyZJjK
I think that is unlikely Wilts. Would make himself look a bit stupid if it was him.
Maybe it should read £200 or £2.000 and is a misprint.
Camps, I was joking, did you miss the emoji?! :) Actually, on reading it again the ‘joke’ is not that obvious, I must say! :coat:
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A significant number of the donations on that page are fictional. Danny Andrew one of them!
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A significant number of the donations on that page are fictional. Danny Andrew one of them!
Well what is the point of having the page if people can post false donations.
Makes a total mockery of the whole thing.
Those donations on the page will have to be genuine.
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A significant number of the donations on that page are fictional. Danny Andrew one of them!
Why and how do you know?
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The donations - the numbers quoted - will be genuine..
The names can be anything you type. People can also post a comment without making a donation too.
Names and comments can be faked therefore..
The other day there was one for £2 essentially from “Gavin Baldwin” but now showing as “Anonymous”..
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So glad we've got such comedy legends following our club. Top banter, that.
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The way I see it she plays under club Doncaster, if Anderson gets injured they would pay for the best treatment, Sophie should get the same
The way I see it:
Anderson - employed and paid by CD to play professional football. Insured to a higher level so that he gets the (private) treatment he needs to be able to do his job.
Scargill: not directly employed/ paid to play amateur football for Belles. Insured to the National & County FA recommended level for WFL Tier 4 teams- but payment for this type of injury completely woeful.
Club Doncaster offers to loan interest-free to cover the op. Under no legal obligation to do so, but does.
A generous offer in the circumstances.
i disagree someone who represents club Doncaster has a injury that could end her career should be looked after even if the money came out of the rovers budget, when all said and done it is prob around 2 weeks of bogles wages
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If they pay for the operation and recovery in this case they have to do it with every injury for every Belles player. Not saying they shouldn’t but it would mean a complete policy change.
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It is great for the donations but I still believe either Doncaster Belles with Club Doncaster should have a medical insurance that will cover for any injuries when playing or training with Doncaster Belles similar to our men’s team. Whether professionals or semi professional. Then Club Doncaster will then not have to pay for individual treatment they just pay the insurance.
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I wonder what proportion of the Belles income an 'all risks' policy like that would take...?
BobG
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I thought the same Bob.
All money spent has to come out of the team's budget.