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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: scawsby steve on October 19, 2021, 11:06:46 pm
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A quarter of the season gone and RW's win ratio is around 16%. That's atrocious.
If we lose the next 2 games, his position will be untenable. Blunt and Baldwin would embarrass themselves if they still kept him in charge.
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A quarter of the season gone and RW's win ratio is around 16%. That's atrocious.
If we lose the next 2 games, his position will be untenable. Blunt and Baldwin would embarrass themselves if they still kept him in charge.
Rather see Richie_Wellens here.
The blame is not at his door.
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No side has lost more games or has a worst goal difference in League One. We are literally a bunch of losers.
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The problem is I can't see it getting any better, we have very little money in the next window to change anything, we're at least 3 good players short and good players cost money
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A quarter of the season gone and RW's win ratio is around 16%. That's atrocious.
If we lose the next 2 games, his position will be untenable. Blunt and Baldwin would embarrass themselves if they still kept him in charge.
Rather see Richie_Wellens here.
The blame is not at his door.
Really? I could have sworn this bunch of losers, apart from Bostock and Anderson, were all signed by him.
So who's door are you laying the blame at?
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I must say, accruing another 43 points from 34 games is looking a very tall order. 1.26 points per game in fact. We are currently on 0.66 points per game. That’s a huge swing needed.
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Where were Oxford after 12 games last season?
I think some are over reacting. Look it is not good is it but let us see where we are after the next 4 games.
RW has not had the luxury of starting his strongest team yet
The only game we were outplayed was at Ipswich. There are several games we could have won this season it is not as if we are not competing with other teams.
Our problem is scoring goals and we simply do not have a goal scorer at League One Level
But we should give Richie more time to turn it round.
Bringing in a new manager now is unlikely to have much impact if any.
No meaningful signings until January can be made.
Anyway who the heck would we appoint? Who is available that would be significantly better.
No we stick not twist at this juncture imo.
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Have to agree with you Campsall. Even if we did elect to change things the protracted style of the DRFC Board means that no one would be in place until shortly before Christmas anyway. I think that RW has several excuses TBH - starting with our major injury list and inability to put any consistent team out. Ipswich aside, I don't think we've been dominated by anyone and with a goal-scorer in the team we could have had double our current points tally.
Even if we don't win another game in October/November, I can't see the Board changing anything until at least the end of January when RW has had an opportunity to change things in the next transfer window.
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Have to agree with you Campsall. Even if we did elect to change things the protracted style of the DRFC Board means that no one would be in place until shortly before Christmas anyway. I think that RW has several excuses TBH - starting with our major injury list and inability to put any consistent team out. Ipswich aside, I don't think we've been dominated by anyone and with a goal-scorer in the team we could have had double our current points tally.
Even if we don't win another game in October/November, I can't see the Board changing anything until at least the end of January when RW has had an opportunity to change things in the next transfer window.
unless bogle and Williams go will we have the money to change anything thou?
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A quarter of the season gone and RW's win ratio is around 16%. That's atrocious.
If we lose the next 2 games, his position will be untenable. Blunt and Baldwin would embarrass themselves if they still kept him in charge.
Rather see Richie_Wellens here.
The blame is not at his door.
Really? I could have sworn this bunch of losers, apart from Bostock and Anderson, were all signed by him.
So who's door are you laying the blame at?
Have a guess.
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Have to agree with you Campsall. Even if we did elect to change things the protracted style of the DRFC Board means that no one would be in place until shortly before Christmas anyway. I think that RW has several excuses TBH - starting with our major injury list and inability to put any consistent team out. Ipswich aside, I don't think we've been dominated by anyone and with a goal-scorer in the team we could have had double our current points tally.
Even if we don't win another game in October/November, I can't see the Board changing anything until at least the end of January when RW has had an opportunity to change things in the next transfer window.
Who would we get though if we decided to sack him?
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We could approach Steve Bruce.
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We still would not have a goal scorer, if any change was made now.
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If we were to make a change now, then I really think we'd be asking the likes of Paul Green or Tommy Rowe if they'd fancy a go as a caretaker?
And they'd still be faced with the same problems, only it's not their squad and vision.
It would be a huge roll of the dice and could just as easily go very wrong.
If we didn't get lucky again then it would be a case of trying to find a firefighter to somehow keep the club up or starting over with a view to rebuilding in the league below.
For now, I think they've got to stick with Richie and hope for improvement.
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A quarter of the season gone and RW's win ratio is around 16%. That's atrocious.
If we lose the next 2 games, his position will be untenable. Blunt and Baldwin would embarrass themselves if they still kept him in charge.
Rather see Richie_Wellens here.
The blame is not at his door.
give him as much time as possible.
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We are making a decision in the dark here. I don’t think anyone knows what type of football Wellens is trying to play. It’s a total mystery. Until that becomes clearer, we are all guessing whether he can be a success.
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We have a defence that can’t defend and an attack that can’t score... it’s as simple as that
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We could approach Steve Bruce.
There's more chance of him being the next Bond than being Rovers manager
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We need to spend I’m afraid to get out this mess weather the club will is another question
I’d go for Matt godden from cov don’t think he’s first team anymore and a bid of say £100k might get him and he will score goals in this team and keep us up
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I just don’t think we are in a false position , we’ve still got some deadwood from last season, players who aren’t consistent enough and poor recruitment I think our head of recruitment and coaches needs reviewing long term
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We need to spend I’m afraid to get out this mess weather the club will is another question
I’d go for Matt godden from cov don’t think he’s first team anymore and a bid of say £100k might get him and he will score goals in this team and keep us up
That couldn't happen until January though, could it?
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I don't think spending is the issue. If we spend the budget on powder puff dross as we have done so far we'll be in the exact same position.
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What is concerning is if we do go down, this is a squad perfectly configured not to do well at League Two level.
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How can anyone expect a man who thinks Tuesday’s was a good performance improve these players?
You need to know what needs fixing before you can tackle it.
“Richie” seems incapable of any wrong in some people’s eyes. Perhaps he failed to turn it round at Salford and at Oldham for the very same reasons.
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I love how everyone thinks the reason we are where we are now is because we can't score.
The biggest issue we have at the present is we can't defend for toffee. We are defensively hopeless. This is the worst defensive unit I've seen for years and years. Even Anderson who has been a solid League 1 defender for a year or two has gone downhill rapidly.
If we could consistently keep clean sheets, or even occasionally keep a clean sheet, that's a point won straight away. If we can then God forbid, get a lucky deflection or a penalty at the other end, we may win a game or two.
Am I correct in thinking we've conceded 17 goals in 7 away games? You're not going to get many points shipping goals like that
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Everyone?
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How can anyone expect a man who thinks Tuesday’s was a good performance improve these players?
You need to know what needs fixing before you can tackle it.
“Richie” seems incapable of any wrong in some people’s eyes. Perhaps he failed to turn it round at Salford and at Oldham for the very same reasons.
Our performance on Tuesday was good, we defended well for the majority of the game apart from the goal which was actually offside, we just lacked the end product.
Also he walked into a near impossible job at Oldham, not many managers if any could’ve done better and at Salford he did well and won them the PJ Trophy against pompey and it’s been said several times that Gary Neville regretted sacking him.
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What is our win rate this calendar year
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How can anyone expect a man who thinks Tuesday’s was a good performance improve these players?
You need to know what needs fixing before you can tackle it.
“Richie” seems incapable of any wrong in some people’s eyes. Perhaps he failed to turn it round at Salford and at Oldham for the very same reasons.
Our performance on Tuesday was good, we defended well for the majority of the game apart from the goal which was actually offside, we just lacked the end product.
Also he walked into a near impossible job at Oldham, not many managers if any could’ve done better and at Salford he did well and won them the PJ Trophy against pompey and it’s been said several times that Gary Neville regretted sacking him.
Aye he won the final with Salford but they were already there.
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How can anyone expect a man who thinks Tuesday’s was a good performance improve these players?
You need to know what needs fixing before you can tackle it.
“Richie” seems incapable of any wrong in some people’s eyes. Perhaps he failed to turn it round at Salford and at Oldham for the very same reasons.
You did not listen to his interview properly.
He said the 1st half was a good performance which it was IMO. He said we needed to score and we didn’t.
He said 2nd half we let Gillingham back in by giving away far too many set pieces which is correct.
Completely fair assessment of the game from RW.
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I very much disagree that we let GIllingham into the game simply by giving them set pieces. We were unable to match their workrate after half time. It was 100% predictable that Evans was going to be giving them a hairdryer halftime after their awful first half showing and they came out with more fire in their bellies. We didn't match it. We got pushed back. And THAT is why we gave away set pieces.
The fact that we didn't score when we were on top is really part of the core problem. Our front players have collectively scored 2 goals in 12 league games and simply do not regularly look like adding to that tally. If that isn't rectified, we'll do well to have 20 points by the time the transfer window opens. and then of course there's the question of how much money is available in that window. Don't forget that the Board has already dipped into its pocket for extra funding in the last window.
And we used that to give Dodoo a two year contract...
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Wellens did nothing to negate the change Evans made after half time, they just hit into the channels winning free kicks, throws & corners, he could have gone to a 3 way before the goal & got us further up the pitch. I really felt for the players, gave it their all, no lack of effort or commitment.
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We could approach Steve Bruce.
I suppose Steve has been in the game long enough
he may know someone to take charge
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It’s been said before and it’s becoming clearer
This management , owners? Want league 2 football
It’s cheaper and obviously our level at the moment
We can dream and dream but that is our destiny for years to come
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It’s been said before and it’s becoming clearer
This management , owners? Want league 2 football
It’s cheaper and obviously our level at the moment
We can dream and dream but that is our destiny for years to come
What are you smoking please get real
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I love how everyone thinks the reason we are where we are now is because we can't score.
The biggest issue we have at the present is we can't defend for toffee. We are defensively hopeless. This is the worst defensive unit I've seen for years and years. Even Anderson who has been a solid League 1 defender for a year or two has gone downhill rapidly.
If we could consistently keep clean sheets, or even occasionally keep a clean sheet, that's a point won straight away. If we can then God forbid, get a lucky deflection or a penalty at the other end, we may win a game or two.
Am I correct in thinking we've conceded 17 goals in 7 away games? You're not going to get many points shipping goals like that
Broadly agree with this. Defensive solidity went a long, long time ago.
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It’s been said before and it’s becoming clearer
This management , owners? Want league 2 football
It’s cheaper and obviously our level at the moment
We can dream and dream but that is our destiny for years to come
Might be cheaper but there are also reduced income levels, so your point doesn't really stack up.
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It’s been said before and it’s becoming clearer
This management , owners? Want league 2 football
It’s cheaper and obviously our level at the moment
We can dream and dream but that is our destiny for years to come
Might be cheaper but there are also reduced income levels, so your point doesn't really stack up.
Yep. It’s like saying your not going to work because you’ve got to buy petrol. Can’t see the cost of been in L1 been much different to been in L2 but the revenue would be a lot worse
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I love how everyone thinks the reason we are where we are now is because we can't score.
The biggest issue we have at the present is we can't defend for toffee. We are defensively hopeless. This is the worst defensive unit I've seen for years and years. Even Anderson who has been a solid League 1 defender for a year or two has gone downhill rapidly.
If we could consistently keep clean sheets, or even occasionally keep a clean sheet, that's a point won straight away. If we can then God forbid, get a lucky deflection or a penalty at the other end, we may win a game or two.
Am I correct in thinking we've conceded 17 goals in 7 away games? You're not going to get many points shipping goals like that
xG against we're 14th.
Goals against we're 16th.
Shots against per game we're 9th.
The Ipswich game will ruin that a fair bit but overall the main issue isn't defending, we have a comfortably midtable defence.
xG for we're last.
Goals scored we are last.
Key passes per game, we are 23rd.
Our league position is due to the worst or second worst attack in the league, a midtable defence means we are losing instead of picking up a point here and there, but even if we did better defending and kept more clean sheets/draws we'd still be going down. The main issue is our lack of creativity, not who is finishing the chances or stopping them at the other end. Although, we need to be better all over the pitch.
At Swindon most of the chances created came from out wide, either from full backs or from the two wingers, and for us so far other than Hiwula we've lacked that quality, although Vilca does seem to want to force something but lacks consistency. Dodoo and the fullbacks lack the creativity currently. I definitely expected more from Knoyle. Close and Galbraith have done alright so far.
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When we concede a goal it’s game over, has been all season and a lot of last season. We all feel the inevitability of it when we go behind (often before that even).
If we get relegated it’s because we can’t score. See it every year the teams who can score will manage to stay up. Clean sheets are a luxury for the better teams in the division. We shouldn’t be under any illusion now we ain’t one of them
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I love how everyone thinks the reason we are where we are now is because we can't score.
The biggest issue we have at the present is we can't defend for toffee. We are defensively hopeless. This is the worst defensive unit I've seen for years and years. Even Anderson who has been a solid League 1 defender for a year or two has gone downhill rapidly.
If we could consistently keep clean sheets, or even occasionally keep a clean sheet, that's a point won straight away. If we can then God forbid, get a lucky deflection or a penalty at the other end, we may win a game or two.
Am I correct in thinking we've conceded 17 goals in 7 away games? You're not going to get many points shipping goals like that
You have a point. 34 nil nils would be 34 points. Still not enough though.
Which gives me a thought, what’s the longest drawing run ant team has ever been on?
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I love how everyone thinks the reason we are where we are now is because we can't score.
The biggest issue we have at the present is we can't defend for toffee. We are defensively hopeless. This is the worst defensive unit I've seen for years and years. Even Anderson who has been a solid League 1 defender for a year or two has gone downhill rapidly.
If we could consistently keep clean sheets, or even occasionally keep a clean sheet, that's a point won straight away. If we can then God forbid, get a lucky deflection or a penalty at the other end, we may win a game or two.
Am I correct in thinking we've conceded 17 goals in 7 away games? You're not going to get many points shipping goals like that
To be fair there are eight other teams in the division who have conceded either the same amount, or more, goals than us but no team that has scored the same or less than us, and the if we had only conceded three at Ipswich instead of the six then that number of teams would be up to twelve.
I think that does indicate that the lack our scoring goals is our biggest problem.
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How can anyone expect a man who thinks Tuesday’s was a good performance improve these players?
You need to know what needs fixing before you can tackle it.
“Richie” seems incapable of any wrong in some people’s eyes. Perhaps he failed to turn it round at Salford and at Oldham for the very same reasons.
You did not listen to his interview properly.
He said the 1st half was a good performance which it was IMO. He said we needed to score and we didn’t.
He said 2nd half we let Gillingham back in by giving away far too many set pieces which is correct.
Completely fair assessment of the game from RW.
He said it was a “very very good performance” 2 or 3 times even after acknowledging that the second half was not so good as the first. His assessment was not objective and that is my point.