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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: sha66y on November 25, 2021, 03:20:17 pm
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Lots of punters mention the expected “ rebuild” in their critiques yet seem to not want to be part of what that entails?
Rebuild from the position we were left with at the end of last season means:
Buying players that you can afford, not who you desire
Watching many disjointed formations
Losing loads of games
A lot of Head-scratching performances
Players looking abject and lost for 90 mins
Being frustrated that you already knew all this …..yet hoped it wasn’t true!
If anyone is unsure what our “ rebuild “ means, please crawl from under that stone and give your head a wobble………. Rtid
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It could be fair to expect a rebuild to include all that lot. What it shouldn't include though is relegation.
This is what management is all about. Managing and fire fighting an unfavourable situation but seeing the job through in the end.
Not saying we will be relegated however and currently we are a proud L1 club.
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It could be fair to expect a rebuild to include all that lot. What it shouldn't include though is relegation.
This is what management is all about. Managing and fire fighting an unfavourable situation but seeing the job through in the end.
Not saying we will be relegated however and currently we are a proud L1 club.
I don’t think it includes relegation….it’s just a by-product of rebuilding in a less than favourable climate….. but you already know the many reasons why this would be a season of struggle…notice I say “ season” …. And not just a few games to create a miracle…..
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When you rebuild you start with the foundation. We haven't.
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When you rebuild you start with the foundation. We haven't.
Dead right, CR. Keeper, CB, DMF, and CF. In other words, the spine of the team.
RW hasn't successfully addressed any of this.
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Lots of punters mention the expected “ rebuild” in their critiques yet seem to not want to be part of what that entails?
Rebuild from the position we were left with at the end of last season means:
Buying players that you can afford, not who you desire
Watching many disjointed formations
Losing loads of games
A lot of Head-scratching performances
Players looking abject and lost for 90 mins
Being frustrated that you already knew all this …..yet hoped it wasn’t true!
If anyone is unsure what our “ rebuild “ means, please crawl from under that stone and give your head a wobble………. Rtid
I said this before the season started and the talk was of a rebuild with a mid-table finish. I pointed out then that while people were happy with that as a target, they wouldn't be happy with us not winning every week. Admittedly it's going a bit worse than that, but people needed to be prepared for some ugliness this season
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Lots of punters mention the expected “ rebuild” in their critiques yet seem to not want to be part of what that entails?
Rebuild from the position we were left with at the end of last season means:
Buying players that you can afford, not who you desire
Watching many disjointed formations
Losing loads of games
A lot of Head-scratching performances
Players looking abject and lost for 90 mins
Being frustrated that you already knew all this …..yet hoped it wasn’t true!
If anyone is unsure what our “ rebuild “ means, please crawl from under that stone and give your head a wobble………. Rtid
I said this before the season started and the talk was of a rebuild with a mid-table finish. I pointed out then that while people were happy with that as a target, they wouldn't be happy with us not winning every week. Admittedly it's going a bit worse than that, but people needed to be prepared for some ugliness this season
A bit worse? I'd say heading for League 2 is a lot worse.
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Lots of punters mention the expected “ rebuild” in their critiques yet seem to not want to be part of what that entails?
Rebuild from the position we were left with at the end of last season means:
Buying players that you can afford, not who you desire
Watching many disjointed formations
Losing loads of games
A lot of Head-scratching performances
Players looking abject and lost for 90 mins
Being frustrated that you already knew all this …..yet hoped it wasn’t true!
If anyone is unsure what our “ rebuild “ means, please crawl from under that stone and give your head a wobble………. Rtid
I said this before the season started and the talk was of a rebuild with a mid-table finish. I pointed out then that while people were happy with that as a target, they wouldn't be happy with us not winning every week. Admittedly it's going a bit worse than that, but people needed to be prepared for some ugliness this season
A bit worse? I'd say heading for League 2 is a lot worse.
I could think of even worse!
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Lots of punters mention the expected “ rebuild” in their critiques yet seem to not want to be part of what that entails?
Rebuild from the position we were left with at the end of last season means:
Buying players that you can afford, not who you desire
Watching many disjointed formations
Losing loads of games
A lot of Head-scratching performances
Players looking abject and lost for 90 mins
Being frustrated that you already knew all this …..yet hoped it wasn’t true!
If anyone is unsure what our “ rebuild “ means, please crawl from under that stone and give your head a wobble………. Rtid
I said this before the season started and the talk was of a rebuild with a mid-table finish. I pointed out then that while people were happy with that as a target, they wouldn't be happy with us not winning every week. Admittedly it's going a bit worse than that, but people needed to be prepared for some ugliness this season
A bit worse? I'd say heading for League 2 is a lot worse.
Only if we end up in League 2. Thankfully the season isn't over yet, not for most of our players
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Lots of punters mention the expected “ rebuild” in their critiques yet seem to not want to be part of what that entails?
Rebuild from the position we were left with at the end of last season means:
Buying players that you can afford, not who you desire
Watching many disjointed formations
Losing loads of games
A lot of Head-scratching performances
Players looking abject and lost for 90 mins
Being frustrated that you already knew all this …..yet hoped it wasn’t true!
If anyone is unsure what our “ rebuild “ means, please crawl from under that stone and give your head a wobble………. Rtid
We are only rebuilding because we have been mismanaged by our current owners. They will claim that relegation is part of the rebuild process. Not long ago there was a 5 year plan to get us back into the championship. Some people still believe the crap they come out with though.
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Lots of punters mention the expected “ rebuild” in their critiques yet seem to not want to be part of what that entails?
Rebuild from the position we were left with at the end of last season means:
Buying players that you can afford, not who you desire
Watching many disjointed formations
Losing loads of games
A lot of Head-scratching performances
Players looking abject and lost for 90 mins
Being frustrated that you already knew all this …..yet hoped it wasn’t true!
If anyone is unsure what our “ rebuild “ means, please crawl from under that stone and give your head a wobble………. Rtid
We are only rebuilding because we have been mismanaged by our current owners. They will claim that relegation is part of the rebuild process. Not long ago there was a 5 year plan to get us back into the championship. Some people still believe the crap they come out with though.
Spot on.
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When you rebuild you start with the foundation. We haven't.
Dead right, CR. Keeper, CB, DMF, and CF. In other words, the spine of the team.
RW hasn't successfully addressed any of this.
He signed a goalkeeper, a centre half, a few centre midfielders and a striker.
Some of our main players have been injured all season
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We’re we rebuilding on January 6th 2021
1 Lincoln WWWLL 20 +14 41 13 2 5 31 17
2 Hull City WLLLD 19 +13 37 12 1 6 31 18
3 Portsmouth WDWWL 19 +17 35 10 5 4 32 15
4 Doncaster LWWWW 18 +12 33 10 3 5 32 20
5 Peterborough DWLLW 18 +10 32 10 2 6 29 19
6 Charlton LDDWD 19 +7 32 9 5 5 29 22
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But we were not as of the 14th January we sold our most influential player and never replaced him. We were reliant on loan players. We couldn’t even offer appropriate contracts to players we wanted to keep they turned them down. Halliday Wright and James. Which shows the level of money we were offering. We replaced them with players who cost less.
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But we were not as of the 14th January we sold our most influential player and never replaced him. We were reliant on loan players. We couldn’t even offer appropriate contracts to players we wanted to keep they turned them down. Halliday Wright and James. Which shows the level of money we were offering. We replaced them with players who cost less.
Pandemic, Manager leaving, ……unable to strengthen existing squad…Rebuild with less budget…..preseason shambles
All governing factors to a poor start……
I believe your whole argument along with a few others is that the Board should have made more funds available regardless ?
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When you rebuild you start with the foundation. We haven't.
Funds may have been an indicator tempered by a pandemic?
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When you rebuild you start with the foundation. We haven't.
Dead right, CR. Keeper, CB, DMF, and CF. In other words, the spine of the team.
RW hasn't successfully addressed any of this.
All comes down to available funding…..
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When you rebuild you start with the foundation. We haven't.
Dead right, CR. Keeper, CB, DMF, and CF. In other words, the spine of the team.
RW hasn't successfully addressed any of this.
All comes down to available funding…..
How can a rebuild be built around loan players? Until we get our own players we are standing still or even worse.
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When you rebuild you start with the foundation. We haven't.
Funds may have been an indicator tempered by a pandemic?
We had virtually no income last season due to no spectators ,where do people expect extra funding to come from.
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Ben Whiteman sale for one.
No L1 Clubs had income but they’re not all suffering the same, are they? Even Clubs coming up from L2 are doing far better, because they all had squads to start with. We saw fit to get rid of most of ours!
You can’t call it a rebuild season without the resources in place to effect the said rebuild.
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Ben Whiteman sale for one.
No L1 Clubs had income but they’re not all suffering the same, are they? Even Clubs coming up from L2 are doing far better, because they all had squads to start with. We saw fit to get rid of most of ours!
You can’t call it a rebuild season without the resources in place to effect the said rebuild.
If all parts of the jigsaw had been completed in the last pre season Alan it would not be a rebuild season.
The parts are not going to be completed for at last 2 more windows. So yes it is a gradual rebuild.
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But we were not as of the 14th January we sold our most influential player and never replaced him. We were reliant on loan players. We couldn’t even offer appropriate contracts to players we wanted to keep they turned them down. Halliday Wright and James. Which shows the level of money we were offering. We replaced them with players who cost less.
Pandemic, Manager leaving, ……unable to strengthen existing squad…Rebuild with less budget…..preseason shambles
All governing factors to a poor start……
I believe your whole argument along with a few others is that the Board should have made more funds available regardless ?
Not regardless but we were told on here at the time the budget was 8th in the league yet it had been reduced due to Covid. We sold our main player and did not replace him. We offered contracts to at least three players and they were rejected. Therefore the club knew they have to be replaced. We gave six young lads contracts without the new manager seeing them. We signed two players in January who were not fit enough to really contribute to end of last season. Yes the manager left but we don’t know the full story. Two previous managers had also left with other full story. The decline really started from that point. So we are in a rebuild but we couldn’t afford a permanent goal keeper or Defensive midfield. The club did not expect a relegation fight but here we are. Will the rebuild continue in the next transfer window big question.
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:headbang:But we were not as of the 14th January we sold our most influential player and never replaced him. We were reliant on loan players. We couldn’t even offer appropriate contracts to players we wanted to keep they turned them down. Halliday Wright and James. Which shows the level of money we were offering. We replaced them with players who cost less.
Pandemic, Manager leaving, ……unable to strengthen existing squad…Rebuild with less budget…..preseason shambles
All governing factors to a poor start……
I believe your whole argument along with a few others is that the Board should have made more funds available regardless ?
Not regardless but we were told on here at the time the budget was 8th in the league yet it had been reduced due to Covid. We sold our main player and did not replace him. We offered contracts to at least three players and they were rejected. Therefore the club knew they have to be replaced. We gave six young lads contracts without the new manager seeing them. We signed two players in January who were not fit enough to really contribute to end of last season. Yes the manager left but we don’t know the full story. Two previous managers had also left with other full story. The decline really started from that point. So we are in a rebuild but we couldn’t afford a permanent goal keeper or Defensive midfield. The club did not expect a relegation fight but here we are. Will the rebuild continue in the next transfer window big question.
Wellens has signed a dozen players. Any one of those could have been a DM and/or goalkeeper. It's the manager's choice what areas to prioritise.
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When you sell your top player, usually the funds should go straight back into strengthening the team. All I have seen have been loans or free signings, yes they take up funds but when you sell a player for a million plus, you expect a player of similar quality brought in. The thing is he has never been replaced.
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Was it a million pounds up front though?
A lot of deals involve a down payment with the balance to follow.
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Vaya I have said this before from information given by RW on Radio Sheffield. Having signed Knoyle Williams Rowe Close and Hiwula all required as have been proven. He said £1500 a week at least for a goalkeeper we couldn’t afford. He also said he had a list of 15 players for DM all were out of our limit of about £4000 a week at that time unless we could have sold two of our players. Since then we signed Barlow and Gardner both on low wages. After the mix up of the last day of the transfer window we signed Dodoo and a short term contract for Olowu. Then they are the loans could be little payments or larger payments we don’t know. He’s already said majority of his budget were taken up by the 12 /13 players we had on our books six young lads had been signed before he came
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Was it a million pounds up front though?
A lot of deals involve a down payment with the balance to follow.
Or several instalments over possibly 2 years or maybe more.
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Vaya I have said this before from information given by RW on Radio Sheffield. Having signed Knoyle Williams Rowe Close and Hiwula all required as have been proven. He said £1500 a week at least for a goalkeeper we couldn’t afford. He also said he had a list of 15 players for DM all were out of our limit of about £4000 a week at that time unless we could have sold two of our players. Since then we signed Barlow and Gardner both on low wages. After the mix up of the last day of the transfer window we signed Dodoo and a short term contract for Olowu. Then they are the loans could be little payments or larger payments we don’t know. He’s already said majority of his budget were taken up by the 12 /13 players we had on our books six young lads had been signed before he came
A defensive midfielder was also required Steve - why not sign one instead of any of the other players that have been signed? There's more than 15 of them out there.
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We’re second guessing on transfer monies, as they are never divulged.
When Wellens was asked, pre-season, where his signing priorities were he immediately stated midfield. But that’s before he knew how many we couldn’t afford to bring in!
Also, in pre season, RW was told by the medical team that both Fej and Taylor would be fit for the start of the season, or very soon after. And we all know how that went.
We were in a mess before RW arrived, let’s not forget that.
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Vaya I have said this before from information given by RW on Radio Sheffield. Having signed Knoyle Williams Rowe Close and Hiwula all required as have been proven. He said £1500 a week at least for a goalkeeper we couldn’t afford. He also said he had a list of 15 players for DM all were out of our limit of about £4000 a week at that time unless we could have sold two of our players. Since then we signed Barlow and Gardner both on low wages. After the mix up of the last day of the transfer window we signed Dodoo and a short term contract for Olowu. Then they are the loans could be little payments or larger payments we don’t know. He’s already said majority of his budget were taken up by the 12 /13 players we had on our books six young lads had been signed before he came
A defensive midfielder was also required Steve - why not sign one instead of any of the other players that have been signed? There's more than 15 of them out there.
He did say 4000 per week snd some wanted 10000 so he realised the money wasn’t there I can only go on the information he divulged.
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We’re second guessing on transfer monies, as they are never divulged.
When Wellens was asked, pre-season, where his signing priorities were he immediately stated midfield. But that’s before he knew how many we couldn’t afford to bring in!
Also, in pre season, RW was told by the medical team that both Fej and Taylor would be fit for the start of the season, or very soon after. And we all know how that went.
We were in a mess before RW arrived, let’s not forget that.
The issues regarding the medical situation of Taylor and Fej, were/are still basically ongoing and is safe to say injury issues haven't subsequently improved across the squad.
It still though doesn't answer the question as to why if a defensive midfielder is key to plans, this wasn't the first position filled somehow.
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Ben Whiteman sale for one.
No L1 Clubs had income but they’re not all suffering the same, are they? Even Clubs coming up from L2 are doing far better, because they all had squads to start with. We saw fit to get rid of most of ours!
You can’t call it a rebuild season without the resources in place to effect the said rebuild.
You and others always make out it's the club who have the final say on player transfers and infer that we deliberately'sold' them out of choice.
Just as Mills, Billy, Wellens himself, Marquis and many others over time leave to better themselves both in achievement and earning so much more than we can offer. That's football.
There's no point going round in circles trying to recall one event that was someone's fault so you can apportion blame. Unless, it's simply just to make you feel better. (Not just referring to you Alan).
Highly unlikely that we could have replaced Whiteman for a like for like basis as very few of those players around and available and affordable. Maybe, get someone in with the same potential that Whiteman had when he came on loan, or maybe someone with more experience who'd played abroad and was available. Like John Bostock maybe? It's a flick of a coin sometimes, you don't know how things will pan out and second guess how long anyone might be out through injury etc.
It's about people making decisions at the time on the information and resources they have at the time. Some work out, some don't.
You'll be telling us next JR and SO'D should have foreseen and be prepared for losing Billy, James Hayter and Ryan Mason in virtually one swoop, and continue to win games!!!
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Vaya I have said this before from information given by RW on Radio Sheffield. Having signed Knoyle Williams Rowe Close and Hiwula all required as have been proven. He said £1500 a week at least for a goalkeeper we couldn’t afford. He also said he had a list of 15 players for DM all were out of our limit of about £4000 a week at that time unless we could have sold two of our players. Since then we signed Barlow and Gardner both on low wages. After the mix up of the last day of the transfer window we signed Dodoo and a short term contract for Olowu. Then they are the loans could be little payments or larger payments we don’t know. He’s already said majority of his budget were taken up by the 12 /13 players we had on our books six young lads had been signed before he came
A defensive midfielder was also required Steve - why not sign one instead of any of the other players that have been signed? There's more than 15 of them out there.
He did say 4000 per week snd some wanted 10000 so he realised the money wasn’t there I can only go on the information he divulged.
No problem Steve - in hindsight that did sound like I was asking you to speak for RW, it was more of a rhetorical question.
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When you rebuild you start with the foundation. We haven't.
Dead right, CR. Keeper, CB, DMF, and CF. In other words, the spine of the team.
RW hasn't successfully addressed any of this.
He signed a goalkeeper, a centre half, a few centre midfielders and a striker.
Some of our main players have been injured all season
Yes he did, but I said "successfully".