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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: jamesrover17 on January 14, 2022, 10:49:33 am
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Looks like he is off to Gillingham, Watford wanting him to get games.
Little worried as I think he is streets ahead of Jones
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I don't.
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Looks like he is off to Gillingham, Watford wanting him to get games.
Little worried as I think he is streets ahead of Jones
What is the last comment based on? They're both decent League One keepers, if we go down it won't be because of who we had in net. Are you going based on him being in the Sweden squad or based on his FIFA rating?
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Looks like he is off to Gillingham, Watford wanting him to get games.
Little worried as I think he is streets ahead of Jones
"I can't believe it" i log on here with a "cunning plan" like the "Newcastle - Wood transfer - strengthen and weaken at a stroke" for Rovers and we are are going to get kippered the same way
yes "me too" believes he is streets ahead of Jones
those nice people AT Wigan with their army of players surely must have one to loan us after the match
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I don't think Jones has done a lot wrong tbh. Yes he's conceded a fair few but our defence has been all over the shop.
Dahlberg's strength is as shot stopper, however Jones has also pulled off some superb saves in the last few months and i feel that Jones is stronger with other aspects of his game.
Overall i'd prefer Jones.
Dahlberg also seems to take about 3 hours to take a goal kick which slows play and infuriates me. As he did a couple of times when 0-0 against Fleetwood.
The issue would be if Jones got injured but it looks like relegation is almost a cert so it shouldn't be a disaster if that happened.
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Our fans are unreal, moan when we put loan players in front of our own, then moan when we put our own in front of loan players!
Personally I think Pontus should go back, get another loan outfield player and use the emergency loan market for a keeper if needed
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Looks like he is off to Gillingham, Watford wanting him to get games.
Little worried as I think he is streets ahead of Jones
What is the last comment based on? They're both decent League One keepers, if we go down it won't be because of who we had in net. Are you going based on him being in the Sweden squad or based on his FIFA rating?
Don't get me wrong, it wasn't a dig at Jones at all, he is a good league 1 keeper, with a very bright future I just think Dahlberg's shot stopping puts him ahead for me.
Either way we will need some backup if Dahlberg goes
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Jones is not 100% fit therefore our only back up is Bottomley. I’m not bothered if Dahlberg goes back. But where is the back up. If it’s about emergency keepers then until the transfer window closes can you get that type of loan. I am not happy by the judgement of GMC with this.
It’s like the Galbraith situation in latest interview he’s not asked Man U if he’s staying he believes he will, why haven’t we confirmed it.
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Jones is a decent shot stopper and hasn't done too much wrong but I think we could do with a more experienced and commanding number 1. Jones doesn't really fill me with loads of confidence and isn't much of a commanding GK. His kicking is also dreadful.
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Get an experienced keeper in then and use the loan place for some magic up front that we wouldn’t normally afford.
I’m quite excited what we will do with the squad this window. Just gutted these last 2 games have probably killed us.
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Get an experienced keeper in then and use the loan place for some magic up front that we wouldn’t normally afford.
I’m quite excited what we will do with the squad this window. Just gutted these last 2 games have probably killed us.
Tomorrows game will kill us if we have n’t got someone in midfield that can get hold of a game
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Jones is a decent shot stopper and hasn't done too much wrong but I think we could do with a more experienced and commanding number 1. Jones doesn't really fill me with loads of confidence and isn't much of a commanding GK. His kicking is also dreadful.
Dahlberg is equally if not worse at kicking and is so slow with his distribution. Jones first choice for me with Bottomley as back up. Not sure when Dahlberg would get recalled but maybe start him if Jones not 100% on Saturday
The Galbraith scenario is worrying and could bite us on the arse, surely we need to know for definite one way or another
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Looks like he is off to Gillingham, Watford wanting him to get games.
Little worried as I think he is streets ahead of Jones
Out of the 2, Dahlberg would also have been my choice. We were spoilt with Dieng tho.
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Looks like he is off to Gillingham, Watford wanting him to get games.
Little worried as I think he is streets ahead of Jones
ne too way ahead
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Or just go with what GM thinks. We can use the emergency loan for a keeper if we need it.
If GM thinks Jones is no 1, that's all that matters. Jones has been much better since his return to the team.
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Jones is a decent shot stopper and hasn't done too much wrong but I think we could do with a more experienced and commanding number 1. Jones doesn't really fill me with loads of confidence and isn't much of a commanding GK. His kicking is also dreadful.
Jones hadn’t done to much wrong; however he doesn’t command his box and seems a little slight for a goalkeeper. I am sure in years to come he’ll be an excellent goalkeeper in this league, but just not yet.
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We won the league with Gary Woods in the net, quite possibly the worst professional footballer I've ever seen. It's true, a good goalkeeper is worth several points a season, but when there are so many players weaker than Jones playing outfield, I agree with the management's decision to prioritise.
I am cautiously (naively) optimistic that we're going to give ourselves a fighting chance after this window closes. This is based on nothing but hope, by the way.
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I don’t think either are league 1 standard yet.
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I’m okay with this in principle, however not so much the timing as it sounds like Jones still isn’t quite right.
What gets me is that we let these things get ‘done to us’ i.e. seemingly allow Dahlberg to be recalled right away with little resistance despite the fact that he started the last game. However, when it comes to doing things proactively, we’ll wait another few games until John Joe O’Toole’s deal officially expires rather than trying to force the issue to our benefit. We need another body in that midfield NOW!
I can be shot down for that with I don’t understand how transfers work etc. etc. But does the club understand how to go out and get what it wants / needs or are we just too nice / complacent? We’re heading into another weekend half way through the window, and so far we’ve let three go (subject to confirmation of this) and brought in one. We’re bottom of the league and falling adrift. Where’s the urgency?
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Recalled and apparently off to Gillingham. Not overly disappointed.
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Confirmed to gills.
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We signed Pontus when Jones had a nightmare pre season, I would guess that he wasnt cheap. As time has gone on then the two about about par, maybe slightly on Pontus side but nothing to drastic. It makes sense that if he isnt going to get game time he move and we possibly use the money elsewhere.
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Neither Jones or dahlberg have been stand outs this season, each have had there moments both good/bad.
I don’t think it really makes any odds who sees out the season as the No1, it’s not like we have had a dieng/Johnson type keeper in this season is it.
At least it gives Jones another 4/5 months of good level development.
Personally if we’re going to push up the leagues/tables we could do with a old wise head and milk the last ounce out of him like we did with sully. I’ve no doubt Jones will do ok in the future, but we all know keepers are better in the twilight years
Best of look to Pontus, I’m sure he will do well.
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Let’s hope Jones is fit or it’s a baptism of fire for Ben Bottomley.
Then two first choice target deadlines have pasted so we are looking at other options.
The manager and the club appeared to be very laid back about the situation or will their be announcements later today.
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I liked him, I thought he had good potential, but I agree with GMc, we need to use the available funds in a better way ( we do need to see this realised though, and quickly to help with the very slim chance we have)
I am glad Jones will be the number 1, he has done little wrong and will keep improving with more game time.
Good luck to Pontus.
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We may have already resigned ourselves to L2 next year!
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We may have already resigned ourselves to L2 next year!
Not a Jones fan?
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We may have already resigned ourselves to L2 next year!
Arguably we did that weeks ago when we appointed GM as permanent manager but that is for another topic.
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I’m okay with this in principle, however not so much the timing as it sounds like Jones still isn’t quite right.
What gets me is that we let these things get ‘done to us’ i.e. seemingly allow Dahlberg to be recalled right away with little resistance despite the fact that he started the last game. However, when it comes to doing things proactively, we’ll wait another few games until John Joe O’Toole’s deal officially expires rather than trying to force the issue to our benefit. We need another body in that midfield NOW!
I can be shot down for that with I don’t understand how transfers work etc. etc. But does the club understand how to go out and get what it wants / needs or are we just too nice / complacent? We’re heading into another weekend half way through the window, and so far we’ve let three go (subject to confirmation of this) and brought in one. We’re bottom of the league and falling adrift. Where’s the urgency?
I agree overall we've been weak but not necessarily with this one. Clearly the manager doesn't particularly want dahlberg around and whilst it seems a quick move I'm pretty sure it's been in the workings for a few weeks just not publicly.
Aswell as that with O'Toole he's in contract elsewhere we cannot force him to move when his club want to keep him.
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We need some incomings. Totally agree with Jonathan’s comments we need to be more ruthless as a club
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Dahlberg going I'm fine with, McSheffrey doesn't rate him above Jones and we need the loan spot for an outfield player.
But actively adopting a "we can use the emergency loan market" policy is really naive from the club in my opinion. The GK situation last season was a bit of a farce and signing a young lad on loan in the summer to go alongside the young, inexperienced Jones was a mistake.
You need experience to push Jones and help him develop, the goalkeepers train together all the time and you can learn a lot in those sessions and just by being around them. Now we have an academy coach and two academy players comprising the entire GK group.
I like Jones and hope he takes hold of the opportunity to know he has the shirt for the rest of the season, but I do hope we get someone in the summer to join him who has more experience and can help to push him along.
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Confirmed 4 minutes ago ,.. going Watford FC initially
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Confirmed 4 minutes ago ,.. going Watford FC initially
Did you write this an hour and 11 mins ago?
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Dahlberg is miles ahead of Jones in his development; he is a good shot stopper, has better command of his area, he looks more confidence and his decision making is better. This all shows in the differing levels of confidence the defence appear to have in them both.
Dahlberg acts and looks like he belongs as the No 1; Jones doesn’t and Wellens said as much on more than one occasion.
That said Jones looks like he is developing this season and good luck to him; he isn’t a league 1 keeper though; not yet at least.
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Back to an old problem doesn't matter how bad Jones plays he's in the goals for the next game can't be dropped
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Back to an old problem doesn't matter how bad Jones plays he's in the goals for the next game can't be dropped
Or he can take confidence in his managers belief in him
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Back to an old problem doesn't matter how bad Jones plays he's in the goals for the next game can't be dropped
Or he can take confidence in his managers belief in him
Why was Jones dropped then for the Fleetwood game? Especially if it was common knowledge in the club that Dahlberg was off?
Was Jones injured?
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Yes
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Back to an old problem doesn't matter how bad Jones plays he's in the goals for the next game can't be dropped
Or he can take confidence in his managers belief in him
Why was Jones dropped then for the Fleetwood game? Especially if it was common knowledge in the club that Dahlberg was off?
Was Jones injured?
Jones was carrying an injury and still is apparently. But we are very subservient in the transfer market so we’ve let our only other goalkeeper go earlier than would have been preferable.
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Not sure if I missed it, but who did cancel the loan us or Watford ?
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Not sure if I missed it, but who did cancel the loan us or Watford ?
Watford but McSheffrey was relaxed about it happening.
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A goalkeeper will surely come in, you can’t have such an inexperienced goalkeeper as back up in our situation. The luck we have with injuries added to that as well.
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Gone to Gillingham
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A goalkeeper will surely come in, you can’t have such an inexperienced goalkeeper as back up in our situation. The luck we have with injuries added to that as well.
McSheffrey has already said that we will go with Jones and Bottomley, and go to the emergency loan market if Jones gets injured.
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I'm probably going out on a limb here but I'm fine with Dahlberg going.
I have to admit to being disappointed. Initially, the guy's background suggested that we had someone who was way above our grade. But that screw-up at Accrington sort of set the tone for his and our season. He doesn't look to me to be a keeper on the way up but a distinctly average squad player for Watford. One that they are quite happy to have farmed out in L1/L2 to get game time.
Each Prem and Championship club has at least 3 decent keepers but with only two getting on the squad sheet for games. With many clubs now contemplating mediocre ends to the season - out of the cups and lying mid-table - I would expect a couple of other options to become available.
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Glad he’s gone, but is Jones the right 1
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A goalkeeper will surely come in, you can’t have such an inexperienced goalkeeper as back up in our situation. The luck we have with injuries added to that as well.
You would hope so, but this is Rovers.
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Dahlberg is miles ahead of Jones in his development; he is a good shot stopper, has better command of his area, he looks more confidence and his decision making is better. This all shows in the differing levels of confidence the defence appear to have in them both.
Dahlberg acts and looks like he belongs as the No 1; Jones doesn’t and Wellens said as much on more than one occasion.
That said Jones looks like he is developing this season and good luck to him; he isn’t a league 1 keeper though; not yet at least.
I don't see it that way at all. I think they're both pretty even, Dahlberg perhaps a slightly better shot stopper, both can be poor with distribution, and I feel they're both pretty even when it comes to commanding the area, claiming crosses etc.
However, since Jones came back in I can't recall him making 1 big mistake leading directly to a goal. Dahlberg made 4 or 5 of those during his run as number 1. That's more important to me.
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Dahlberg couldn't catch a ball to save his life, but generally, I thought he was a better option than Jones.
I think time will tell with Jones. I actually think he's improved significantly, particularly in his mentality, but we'll see whether he's a long-term prospect.
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I hope Jones continues to develop , but like others I think Dahlberg is at the moment a better keeper. I can understand Jones being given an opportunity but it leaves us light on the bench. Frees up a loan space that can be used outfield. Hope we go for a different type of loan, more experienced heads. I realise that loans are often used for young players but this isn't always the case.
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So has Bottomley been recalled from Taddy where he’s on loan to sit on the bench tomorrow? Anyone know?
COYR
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Personally I think Dahlberg is better than Jones and will go onto have a far better career than Jones. I really dont rate Jones, I wouldnt be surprised if he is in conference or below within 3 years.
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Good luck to the lad, he is not our player, and wants to get more game time to develop. Just like us, at Gillingham he is going to get plenty of practice at trying to keep scores as low as possible. Here Louis Jones will be doing the same, and becoming a better keeper for it.
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Just hoping that the small but vocal group in the BB don't start singling out Jones for abuse again. He needs our support as much as possible now. Let's get behind Jones.
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Just hoping that the small but vocal group in the BB don't start singling out Jones for abuse again. He needs our support as much as possible now. Let's get behind Jones.
I don’t think they will abuse Jones, it’s just doesn’t make sense how we leave ourselves short in the GK department, just think what a mess we would be in if Jones gets injured in the first 5mins on Saturday, this is what people will be thinking, to me it’s a very big risk by an inexperienced manager
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Wonder if this will come back to bite us like loaning Curtis Main did.
I don’t think we will stay up now anyway but if Gills start keeping clean sheets it doesn’t help.
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Just hoping that the small but vocal group in the BB don't start singling out Jones for abuse again. He needs our support as much as possible now. Let's get behind Jones.
I don’t think they will abuse Jones, it’s just doesn’t make sense how we leave ourselves short in the GK department, just think what a mess we would be in if Jones gets injured in the first 5mins on Saturday, this is what people will be thinking, to me it’s a very big risk by an inexperienced manager
Hope you are right UR.
It would just sum up our season if Jones got injured in the warm up or something tomorrow.
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Let’s how when we play the gills he doesn’t lay a blinder
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It’s a risk, but a very small risk and well worth risking with our loans.
Keepers basically never get injured during a game and come off, so the youth of the guy on the bench doesn’t really matter. Even if there was an injury and the keeper came off (can’t remember when that last happened to us) we may have by that point in the game already used our subs, so a player would go in goal at that point. That’s happened relatively often by comparison, so having an experienced keeper on the bench is not a save-all option.
Then if Jones got injured between games, we could get an emergency loan who would like Joe Lumley the other year, be perfectly good for several weeks.
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We're talking like it matters whose in net right now! Might as well have me in there.
Let Jones stake his place for been number 1 next season he's not that far away really and he'll get plenty of practise with us till end of season. Next season i'd like us to have a experienced number 2 keeper to push Jones the whole loan keepers a no from me
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It’s a risk, but a very small risk and well worth risking with our loans.
Keepers basically never get injured during a game and come off, so the youth of the guy on the bench doesn’t really matter. Even if there was an injury and the keeper came off (can’t remember when that last happened to us) we may have by that point in the game already used our subs, so a player would go in goal at that point. That’s happened relatively often by comparison, so having an experienced keeper on the bench is not a save-all option.
Then if Jones got injured between games, we could get an emergency loan who would like Joe Lumley the other year, be perfectly good for several weeks.
I think the last time our keeper came off and an outfield player had to take over was two or three years ago when Whiteman donned the gloves.
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If we could sign Jagielka (who I think would be out of our pay capability) we could kill 2 birds with one stone
If I remember correctly when he played at the blades Warnock didn’t select a keeper for the bench because of how good in goal Jagielka was
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Really struggle sometimes with our fans. For the last few seasons there has been a call for our players to play in place of a loan player. Now it’s happened all of a sudden it’s wrong
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It’s a risk, but a very small risk and well worth risking with our loans.
Keepers basically never get injured during a game and come off, so the youth of the guy on the bench doesn’t really matter. Even if there was an injury and the keeper came off (can’t remember when that last happened to us) we may have by that point in the game already used our subs, so a player would go in goal at that point. That’s happened relatively often by comparison, so having an experienced keeper on the bench is not a save-all option.
Then if Jones got injured between games, we could get an emergency loan who would like Joe Lumley the other year, be perfectly good for several weeks.
I think the last time our keeper came off and an outfield player had to take over was two or three years ago when Whiteman donned the gloves.
Wasn't that because Marosi got sent off?
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Really struggle sometimes with our fans. For the last few seasons there has been a call for our players to play in place of a loan player. Now it’s happened all of a sudden it’s wrong
Same people who want us to follow the Barnsley model but then don't actually want to sell any players when they become saleable assets. We have a bizarre fanbase full of conspiracy theorists and people who revel in sticking the knife in.
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That was 25 August 2018 at home to Portsmouth, in a 0-0 draw.
Marosi was sent off on 83 mins and to illustrate my earlier point, at that stage in the game we had already used our allotted subs (Rowe, Coppinger and Kiwomya had come off the bench on 73, 72 and 82 mins respectively). So when Marosi was dismissed, we could not bring on Ian Lawlor for the final 7+ mins.
Even if we had Sam Johnstone on the bench, we still wouldn’t have been able to use him in that scenario so the sub keeper quality was irrelevant. Whiteman then went in goal and kept a clean sheet.
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Gillingham are just above us in the league table AGENT Dahlberg will do a sterling job
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Probably have to play on international weekends now
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Gillingham are just above us in the league table AGENT Dahlberg will do a sterling job
Tbf they've gone from the best keeper in the league to an alright League One keeper, so they might actually dip now.
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Can't believe what I'm reading on here. Have you been watching the same games I have this season?!
Jones is vastly superior to Dahlberg.
Dahlberg must have averaged a goal causing clanger at a rate of 1 every 2 games. Jones is much more safe and assured.
Yes Dahlberg has excellent reflexes and pulled off the odd great save but Jones is streets ahead in terms of his all round game.
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Must say I agree Jones is better. Even if Dahlberg is better 80% of the time the other 20% is just howlers which cost points.
Our start to the season really wasn’t helped by him throwing the ball in the net a few times. Really set the tone for the season
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Jones for me. Dahlberg always feigns an injury when a goal is conceded. Neither have been on top form, however I’d pick LJ.
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Dahlberg let in 3 against Burton today.
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Just seen them on highlights and it seems like he got caught under the ball for a few. Not missing much. Never should be be having any loan player for a position unless they are way better than we can get as our own player. Sam Johnstone and Dieng fit that bill the goalies the last few seasons haven't been that much better so it's just a waste of a loan
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We're talking like it matters whose in net right now! Might as well have me in there.
Let Jones stake his place for been number 1 next season he's not that far away really and he'll get plenty of practise with us till end of season. Next season i'd like us to have a experienced number 2 keeper to push Jones the whole loan keepers a no from me
If we can’t get a decent, experienced permanent keeper in we should use the loan market for a keeper both this season and next.
We have had some great keepers here on loan, including as recently as the past couple of years; goalkeeping is a specialist position. We need a decent keeper.
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We're talking like it matters whose in net right now! Might as well have me in there.
Let Jones stake his place for been number 1 next season he's not that far away really and he'll get plenty of practise with us till end of season. Next season i'd like us to have a experienced number 2 keeper to push Jones the whole loan keepers a no from me
If we can’t get a decent, experienced permanent keeper in we should use the loan market for a keeper both this season and next.
We have had some great keepers here on loan, including as recently as the past couple of years; goalkeeping is a specialist position. We need a decent keeper.
Agree if they are a step up in quality than we could ever afford to own then like in any other position i'd take any loan player like that. Problem for me comes when they are just bog standard for our level why do we loan players like that. I'd rather have someone who wants a future at DRFC
Last season and this we've got no better than L1/2 standard loan keepers. We should sign player like that and not rely on them coming on loan.