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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: bobjimwilly on January 18, 2022, 07:57:25 am
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The Tories have just voted to mandate photo ID to vote in elections, supposedly to stop voter fraud. Almost 1 in 10 people do not have any form of photo ID, and obviously The stats are higher for marginalised groups.
The actual number of convicted fraudsters each year is in single figures.
This is voter suppression!
Will also reportedly cost over £40 million over next decade.
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Very trump-like bjw.
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They're learning.
The Republican party has been doing voter suppression for decades. Which is why they "win" so many elections when they are by some way a minority party.
Previous incarnations of the Tory party were above this. But not this lot.
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I have to show proof I have been vaccinated to have a pint after one in the morning, so why can't someone prove who they are to vote!
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Voting is not contagious bp, and certainly not with the tory party.
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I think I can hazard a guess at the constituencies which have highest number of no-photo ID voters, and no it doesn’t include places like Surrey Heath.
But here’s why photo ID is clearly necessary in a voter population of 47-48 million:
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/who-we-are-and-what-we-do/our-views-and-research/our-research/electoral-fraud-data/2019-electoral-fraud-data
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The tories have been surprising votes for years; they have done this by segmenting Tory voting areas off of more left leaning areas.
Some might say that this is down to the electoral commission but I can’t think of any examples where a conservative voting area has been incorporated into a traditional labour or other party locality. I’m happy to be corrected.
It’s getting to the point now where I think proportionate representation is required; I know it has its difficulties but it’s got to be better than what we have.
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I was wrong BVB, 4 prosecutions for voter fraud following the 2019 election is a pandemic.
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Voting is not contagious bp, and certainly not with the tory party.
I have to show proof to travel abroad to drive to get a bank account so why not to vote?
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Voting is not contagious bp, and certainly not with the tory party.
I have to show proof to travel abroad to drive to get a bank account so why not to vote?
Because non of the above are contagious bp, are you on the save the mangy dog committee?
It's very simple when you think about it bp, proof of vaccination is to help save lives, proof of ID for voting is to help save the tory party.
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Don’t worry bp I don’t think you’ll need proof to have a drink soon
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They need it in Peterborough if nowhere else.
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Don’t worry bp I don’t think you’ll need proof to have a drink soon
Unless you're under 18?
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Perhaps the next thing is only being allowed to vote if you are vaccinated?
(Tongue in cheek)
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It's a joke that you can just turn up and give your name and address. About time it was tightened up on.
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Can't see a problem. ID is needed for most aspects of life now.
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Would postal voters need Photo id ?
If not a lot of those without Passports Driving License or other Photo id COULD register and vote that way
A generalisation maybe but 33 PC of those who regularly DONT vote in any elections might contain a huge number of the ones without Id (throwing that in with no way of knowing it's status)
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It's a joke that you can just turn up and give your name and address. About time it was tightened up on.
Only if it was a problem, which it wasn't. Otherwise it's a complete waste of taxpayer's money as well as inconveniencing people who have neither a passport or a driving licence.
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Well THAT is a new step in election rigging.
Apparently the Tory Whips have told MPs thinking about sending in letters calling for a confidence vote that if they do, the party will make sure they lose their seat at the next election.
And that gets to the core of the problem. This isn't a Tory Govt. And it's not really a Tory party anymore. The leadership and the membership are part of a Johnson First And Last And Always party.
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Well THAT is a new step in election rigging.
Apparently the Tory Whips have told MPs thinking about sending in letters calling for a confidence vote that if they do, the party will make sure they lose their seat at the next election.
And that gets to the core of the problem. This isn't a Tory Govt. And it's not really a Tory party anymore. The leadership and the membership are part of a Johnson First And Last And Always party.
Bullying ?
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And they are just a set of f@!king no-bodies. And to think my MP is behind all this Mark f@#king Spencer what a tw@
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What happens when renowned LIARS are elected, promoted to high office and their supporters believe what pours out.
''Ros Atkins on... the US Capitol riot anniversary''
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-59903464
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What happens when renowned LIARS are elected, promoted to high office and their supporters believe what pours out.
''Ros Atkins on... the US Capitol riot anniversary''
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-59903464
Do you mean Tony Blair?
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He doesn’t do answers.
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As a policy to reduce electoral fraud this is a waste of time. The majority of us get personally addressed polling cards to take to the polling stations which identify us. It would be virtually impossible to instigate a voter fraud big enough to swing a constituency/even local council vote based on people visiting polling stations.
The cynical side of me agrees with the OP as the only logical motivation for doing this is to reduce the Labour vote - for the reasons the OP states.
If the Government was really interested in reducing voter fraud they'd be better off looking to reform/reduce postal voting where there may be some issue.
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I do postal voting mate.
TBH if I had to go to a polling station I probably wouldn’t bother.
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I do postal voting mate.
TBH if I had to go to a polling station I probably wouldn’t bother.
Give certain people your address and they'll come round next election time, give you a few quid and collect your postal vote from you so you don't even have to bother with that either.
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Well if we are under a government who want to suppress democracy then clearly this works two ways in my opinion .
Given the events over the last couple of months I've absolutely no option but to vote against the Tories .
Which isn't to be confused with a vote for the Labour Party , let me make that perfectly clear .
Anybody who wants to try it on with voter suppression deserves everything that's coming to them .
I'd kindly suggest that the Labour Party and the Dems make sure the Tories disappear from the UK political scene for good and work together to ensure that happens .
It's high time they were put out of business in my opinion and whilst the political choice I'll face doesn't exactly have me in a " a new dawn moment .
It's significantly better than this bunch of corrupt , inept and freeloading scum .
For fecks sake let's get rid of this entitled Eton mob and their minions for good .
The disturbing thing is Starmer is also a democracy denier and a liar .
But not quite as bad .
Jesus Christ what have we become ?
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I do postal voting mate.
TBH if I had to go to a polling station I probably wouldn’t bother.
Give certain people your address and they'll come round next election time, give you a few quid and collect your postal vote from you so you don't even have to bother with that either.
It hasn’t happened to me yet and I have been postal voting for many years.
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In the whole of 2017, in the general election, local council elections and devolved Govt elections, there was a grand total of 16 instances of alleged postal vote fraud.
Which right wing papers do you occasionally look at Branton?
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In the whole of 2017, in the general election, local council elections and devolved Govt elections, there was a grand total of 16 instances of alleged postal vote fraud.
Which right wing papers do you occasionally look at Branton?
Billy we have our differences to say the least and I'm never ever going to support the majority of your views to say the least .
I'll level with you , democracy and people upholding promises is where I judge credibility .
Democracy is particularly important to me because of what occurred in 1984 and if that wasn't a lesson then what could be ? , you know my history .
It was a fateful decision and one I've always had to live with .
I will not have anyone who wants to deny it in any shape of form , fecking nobody given what a lack of democracy affected my life .
I have to make choices within the world we live in .
It's incredibly hard for me personally .
I'll work with you to get rid of these Scum bags .
But don't think I'm ever your mate or even of that Clown who currently leads the so called Labour Party .
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In the whole of 2017, in the general election, local council elections and devolved Govt elections, there was a grand total of 16 instances of alleged postal vote fraud.
Which right wing papers do you occasionally look at Branton?
In answer to your question I'll occasionally take the Telegraph once a month or so.
Quick Google of 'postal vote fraud uk' brought up these 3 articles on the 1st page of results from infamous right wing publications: -
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/councillors-guilty-of-postal-votes-fraud-that-would-shame-a-banana-republic-5350422.html
www.democraticaudit.com/2019/06/28/postal-votes-and-allegations-of-electoral-fraud-in-peterboroughs-by-election/
www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/sep/06/men-jailed-attempted-postal-vote-fraud
I've already explained why I believe with addressed polling cards large-scale organized constituency-wide voter fraud at the polling station is virtually impossible - do you agree? As the above stories show attempts of such fraud do appear to be occurring at least on isolated occasions with postal voting - and you don't need to rely solely on the Daily Mail for your news to be aware of it.
Therefore my initial point stands. If the Government are serious about reducing opportunity for voter fraud they would be better looking at the postal voting system rather than insisting on photo-ID at the polling station a policy which I suspect, being a right wing nut job, is being put in place to reduce Labour voter turnout.
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So after firmly asserting that postal vote fraud was rife, you Google up two stories from 17 years ago and a racist allegation from Farage that was investigated with nothing being found?
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What I actually said was "If the Government was really interested in reducing voter fraud they'd be better off looking to reform/reduce postal voting where there may be some issue."
I did not say postal voter fraud was rife or anything like that at all.
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Branton.
I was responding to this comment from you.
Give certain people your address and they'll come round next election time, give you a few quid and collect your postal vote from you
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It seems to me that some on here are quite happy to let voting fraud carry on as there was only a few alleged occurrences of it happening. Surely one occurrence is one to many and that getting voters to prove that they are who they say they are is the way to stop it? And if you seriously want to vote then getting ID to prove that wouldn't be to much of an inconvenience.
The turnout at the last election was 67% leaving 33% who couldn't be bothered to vote. How many of the 33% are the ones complaining that they will be denied the right to vote.
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Do you think 1 death from COVID is 1 too many and therefore we should take massively disproportionate action to make sure that one death doesn't happen?
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It seems to me that some on here are quite happy to let voting fraud carry on as there was only a few alleged occurrences of it happening. Surely one occurrence is one to many and that getting voters to prove that they are who they say they are is the way to stop it? And if you seriously want to vote then getting ID to prove that wouldn't be to much of an inconvenience.
The turnout at the last election was 67% leaving 33% who couldn't be bothered to vote. How many of the 33% are the ones complaining that they will be denied the right to vote.
In what form do you think that ID would be? The only photo ID my Mum had was her bus pass
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Do you think 1 death from COVID is 1 too many and therefore we should take massively disproportionate action to make sure that one death doesn't happen?
I think that attempting to subverting democracy is important and therefore to ensure we get the correct result at the ballot box then voter ID and proving who you are is important.
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It seems to me that some on here are quite happy to let voting fraud carry on as there was only a few alleged occurrences of it happening. Surely one occurrence is one to many and that getting voters to prove that they are who they say they are is the way to stop it? And if you seriously want to vote then getting ID to prove that wouldn't be to much of an inconvenience.
The turnout at the last election was 67% leaving 33% who couldn't be bothered to vote. How many of the 33% are the ones complaining that they will be denied the right to vote.
In what form do you think that ID would be? The only photo ID my Mum had was her bus pass
I’m sure your mums bus pass would be acceptable, as would many other types of photo IDs. But no doubt if voters are determined to vote then getting some sort of photo ID would not prove to difficult for most.
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Do you think 1 death from COVID is 1 too many and therefore we should take massively disproportionate action to make sure that one death doesn't happen?
I think that attempting to subverting democracy is important and therefore to ensure we get the correct result at the ballot box then voter ID and proving who you are is important.
I agree that protecting democracy is important.
Which is why I profoundly disagree with actions that every independent assessment says will disenfranchise very large numbers of people.
Look at it this way. If my entire house was infested with woodworm, i would need to take some pretty drastic action. But it would be an over reaction to use a 12 bore shotgun if the only problem I had was the occasional silverfish.
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It seems to me that some on here are quite happy to let voting fraud carry on as there was only a few alleged occurrences of it happening. Surely one occurrence is one to many and that getting voters to prove that they are who they say they are is the way to stop it? And if you seriously want to vote then getting ID to prove that wouldn't be to much of an inconvenience.
The turnout at the last election was 67% leaving 33% who couldn't be bothered to vote. How many of the 33% are the ones complaining that they will be denied the right to vote.
In what form do you think that ID would be? The only photo ID my Mum had was her bus pass
I’m sure your mums bus pass would be acceptable, as would many other types of photo IDs. But no doubt if voters are determined to vote then getting some sort of photo ID would not prove to difficult for most.
But that was my question, what is ie examples of , photo ID that would be acceptable?
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Branton.
I was responding to this comment from you.
Give certain people your address and they'll come round next election time, give you a few quid and collect your postal vote from you so you don't even have to bother with that either
Ah ok Billy I can see how you would interpret that post the way you did. Badly and glibly written I concede but what I was trying to get across was voter apathy and financial incentive together with the inherent nature of postal ballots makes them susceptible to fraud. (Not implying drfchound would engage in such behaviour of course).
And postal votes which are filled out in private and can be posted by anyone are inherently more susceptible to fraud against going in person with a self-addressed voting card and filling your ballot paper in alone in a polling booth. Not just to mass voter frauds (which have been attempted since postal voting was expanded) but also on a smaller scale - imagine a domineering, bullying head of a household (generally male) insisting all vote the way he wants. Not difficult there are some nasty people out there.
Therefore it's my belief, just to repeat myself, that the Government if it truly wants to reduce voter fraud should look at postal voting ahead of polling station voting. I'm still struggling to see why that opinion makes me right wing or in hoc to right wing media. How is this a tribal political topic??
I agree wholeheartedly with you that any reform shouldn't disenfranchise a large number of people hence why I'm against voter ID. I'd also be against postal vote reform taking the ability to vote away from the frail, elderly, disabled or temporarily incapacitated (not least as I fall into that last category right now!).
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Ant legislation to bring in voter id should be accompanied with compulsory voting.
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Sorry Sydney I disagree - in a democracy you should have the right to abstain.
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You can by putting a line through it, but compulsory voting would dispel the argument that tories are doing trump.
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What punishment would you impose on people who didn't turn up to vote?
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Not the question
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Ant legislation to bring in voter id should be accompanied with compulsory voting.
What punishment would you impose on people who didn't turn up to vote?
Don’t hold your breath for an answer.
It is a fair question you ask given that SR suggested compulsory voting.
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Not the question
You should see the comments from Rachel Reeves the Shadow Chancellor that's come to light Sydney .
It's a different angle on voter suppression but it is voter suppression in my opinion .
It's pretty disgusting really but I'm pretty certain you'll see it differently .
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What punishment would you impose on people who didn't turn up to vote?
Take away their right to vote. :lol:
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Ex-Labour MP told to pay taxpayer £3,835 for breaking rules to sway 2019 election result express.co.uk/news/politics/… Another one @Keir_Starmer Are you going to kick her out for misbehaving as you promised?
From Twitter @helen_spirit1
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And Sunak has just written off how much?
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Lots on here don’t like the idea of voter ID, the Labour Party don’t like it. But in Wakefield you need it to vote for the Labour candidate
https://twitter.com/RobParsonsNorth/status/1525812793143971842
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Lots on here don’t like the idea of voter ID, the Labour Party don’t like it. But in Wakefield you need it to vote for the Labour candidate
https://twitter.com/RobParsonsNorth/status/1525812793143971842
:ohmy: Surely not!!
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How many people don’t have a form of identity
All this talk about it disenfranchising some groups is a poor argument
It would depend on what kind of Identity would be acceptable
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You can by putting a line through it, but compulsory voting would dispel the argument that tories are doing trump.
Isn’t compulsory voting a bit of a far right, fascist type of thing?
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Lots on here don’t like the idea of voter ID, the Labour Party don’t like it. But in Wakefield you need it to vote for the Labour candidate
https://twitter.com/RobParsonsNorth/status/1525812793143971842
Unfortunately, this is correct.
Labour members in Wakefield were required to show photo ID before voting in the rigged choice of candidate.
The shortlist of two outsiders was imposed by Labour HQ against the wishes of Wakefield Labour.
Ironically, the Labour Party OPPOSES voter ID requirements because many do not have up to date photo ID, and it reduces democratic integrity by preventing legitimate votes being cast.
Utterly shameful from Starmer and Co.
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Lots on here don’t like the idea of voter ID, the Labour Party don’t like it. But in Wakefield you need it to vote for the Labour candidate
https://twitter.com/RobParsonsNorth/status/1525812793143971842
Unfortunately, this is correct.
Labour members in Wakefield were required to show photo ID before voting in the rigged choice of candidate.
The shortlist of two outsiders was imposed by Labour HQ against the wishes of Wakefield Labour.
Ironically, the Labour Party OPPOSES voter ID requirements because many do not have up to date photo ID, and it reduces democratic integrity by preventing legitimate votes being cast.
Utterly shameful from Starmer and Co.
So are the Labour Party being two faced about this?
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It’s an honest mistake made in good faith………..
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I'm surprised that in this day and age they could not have the electorate voting by using their mobile phones.
Surely its not beyond the wit of man to develop an app that has enough encryption and protections to enable everyone to use it the one time, without it being vulnerable to easily attacked code.
There seems quite a few social and business app's that have a similar function.
I'm sure someone will be along shortly and say that its discriminating to some?
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Lots on here don’t like the idea of voter ID, the Labour Party don’t like it. But in Wakefield you need it to vote for the Labour candidate
https://twitter.com/RobParsonsNorth/status/1525812793143971842
Unfortunately, this is correct.
Labour members in Wakefield were required to show photo ID before voting in the rigged choice of candidate.
The shortlist of two outsiders was imposed by Labour HQ against the wishes of Wakefield Labour.
Ironically, the Labour Party OPPOSES voter ID requirements because many do not have up to date photo ID, and it reduces democratic integrity by preventing legitimate votes being cast.
Utterly shameful from Starmer and Co.
So are the Labour Party being two faced about this?
Yeah but, no but……..
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Kier Starmer pledged to end NEC placed candidates aswell. He's not good at sticking by his promises is he?
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No i guess he just good at leading the polls, which is why there is so much concern about his integrity by those that would never vote labour
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The country is in trouble, split down the middle with a corrupted
party committee at the helm led by a man that's had an integrity bypass and the main concern is whether Starmer is too honest, really!
It's quite revealing having temp' access to the Times ..............
''It’s Charming Cad v Mr Nice But Dull. No wonder Boris Johnson and Keir Starmer hate each other''
''''The animosity between the prime minister and the leader of the opposition is almost tangible. It may be the bitterest, most personal rivalry at the top of British politics to date. When they walked together from the House of Commons to listen to the Queen’s Speech last week, they faced a choice: with cameras on them, would they maintain a stony silence or exchange friendly chat?
They landed somewhere in between, at first ignoring each other and then, as they walked past a camera, smiling and apparently making conversation. It almost looked authentic. But the smile didn’t go quite to Starmer’s eyes, and as they walked away, Johnson gave the other man a look bordering on contempt''
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/charming-cad-v-mr-nice-but-dull-boris-johnson-keir-starmer-political-rivalry-wmbj7xdx9
''Saint Keir Starmer: a martyr to his lofty principles''
''The political gamble that will define his leadership has quelled the pressure for now, but some MPs are alarmed by the birth of “Saint Keir” and fear that the high moral bar he is setting is unwise in a Westminster bear pit where — as one left wing commentator pointed out — “objective standards do not exist”. Others question why he took so long to address the story, which overshadowed a mixed bag of local election results for the party''
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/saint-keir-starmer-a-martyr-to-his-lofty-principles-dtthgxzhb
It appears non-labour t**tteratti cannot stand having someone in politics that at his core is honest.
Does he trim his toenails? hanging is too good aye
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Kier Starmer pledged to end NEC placed candidates aswell. He's not good at sticking by his promises is he?
And before you jump on your miniature pony to do some political equestrian gymnastics maybe you should remember this ..........
....... ''The startling evidence, first unearthed by Channel 4 News and confirmed in a condemnatory report released last week by the Electoral Commission – the independent body that oversees election law and regulates political finance in the UK – suggests that the Conservative party gained an advantage by breaching election spending laws during the 2015 election. This allowed the party to send its most dedicated volunteers into key seats, in which data had identified specific voters whose turnout could swing the contest. Some of this spending was not properly declared, and some of it was entirely off the books. The sums involved are deceptively small, but the impact may have been decisive''
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/mar/23/conservative-election-scandal-victory-2015-expenses
The Electoral Commission. 16/03/2017
''Investigation in respect of the Conservative and Unionist Party campaign spending returns for the 2014 European Parliamentary Election, and 2015 UK Parliamentary General Election, and in respect of the 2014 parliamentary by-elections in Clacton, Newark and Rochester and Strood.
''In determining this penalty the Commission took into account the following
factors:
The harm caused to confidence in the party finance regime
represented an aggravating factor, in light of the value of the
payments and the campaign to which they related. The omission of
supporting information undermines the ability of the Commission
and the public to review and verify the spending figures within the
return. There was a consequent impact on transparency and most
likely, as a direct result, on public confidence.
The unreasonable uncooperative conduct by the Party during the
investigation, of which this offence was one element, which delayed
without good reason and for a number of months the provision of
information needed to progress the investigation.
The Party has now provided the missing invoices and receipts.
However, these were only provided as a result of the Commission’s
enquiries.
153. The total value of the penalties imposed on the Party following this
investigation is £70,000
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/sites/default/files/pdf_file/Report-in-respect-of-the-Conservative-and-Unionist-Party.pdf
The author of the comment wishes to state that there is absolutely no connection between the Investigation in respect of the Conservative and Unionist Party campaign spending the penalties imposed and any vendetta to sell off Ch 4.
Utterly shameful, but, but, but .........................
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Syd you’re diverting attention from the thread with your last two posts. Voters required to produce photo ID to vote for Labour candidate, something that you and the Labour Party are against. Why’s that then?
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Oh well it was an honest mistake ........
the thread was about lack of ID and the dangers of voter fraud, shown to be virtually non-existent and then of course the thread change into a Starmer bashing exercise discussing internal party matters. I'm showing where the real dangers for electoral fraud are ..... from the tory party.
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A shameful stitch up by Starmer's team. It's becoming alarmingly common at this stage. I'm sure when no one on the left, or under the age of 30, votes for them, it won't be the party's fault though.
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I suppose you either change the party or stay in opposition.
''Wakefield had returned Labour MPs since 1932. The size of majority has fluctuated between absolute and marginal.[n 3] The 2015 result gave the seat the 27th-smallest majority of Labour's 232 seats by percentage of majority.[8] In 2019, Wakefield lost the Labour majority and returned the first Conservative MP in 87 years''
Einstein would have something about that
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Syd you’re diverting attention from the thread with your last two posts. Voters required to produce photo ID to vote for Labour candidate, something that you and the Labour Party are against. Why’s that then?
Exactly this, Sydney are you for voter ID or not? Are you for centrally placed candidates or not?
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Syd you’re diverting attention from the thread with your last two posts. Voters required to produce photo ID to vote for Labour candidate, something that you and the Labour Party are against. Why’s that then?
Exactly this, Sydney are you for voter ID or not? Are you for centrally placed candidates or not?
I will answer this if you say whether you have ever voted labour and if so why and when
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Yes last council elections for one. As I've said before we have good local councillors here no need to change them.
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GE not council
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Never in a GE nope (note I haven't voted in many given my age).
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Never in a GE nope (note I haven't voted in many given my age).
How many times have you not voted labour?
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4 I think it is. I'm not sure on the relevance of this to my questions though?
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4 I think it is. I'm not sure on the relevance of this to my questions though?
Because to get a handle of someone's future behaviour you look to their past, and this tells me you would be unlikely to vote labour in the foreseeable future unless something cataclysmic happens. This won't be true in every case but for the majority it will. When I see comments from advising how Starmer or labour should behave I think what difference would that make those making those points. You may be a swing voter but that doesn't include the labour party, obviously. From your past comments this is no surprise to me that you have never voted labour in a GE, no particular comment but comments over time. There is no animosity or hate as some would have you believe but I expect people to be truthful when there are zero consequences, this last point is not directed at you.
So to answer your questions, ID in general elections NO, there has been no evidence that the minute amount of fraud to date would change an election or justify it, what individual parties do on internal matters is up to them.
Centrally placed candidates, again is a matter for individual parties Starmer will live or die by decisions he makes and I'm not sure we have the whole truth of the matter yet in Wakefield.
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I'm surprised that in this day and age they could not have the electorate voting by using their mobile phones.
Surely its not beyond the wit of man to develop an app that has enough encryption and protections to enable everyone to use it the one time, without it being vulnerable to easily attacked code.
There seems quite a few social and business app's that have a similar function.
I'm sure someone will be along shortly and say that its discriminating to some?
Please tell me you are just having a laugh with this?
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So Syd from this, to quote you
So to answer your questions, ID in general elections NO, there has been no evidence that the minute amount of fraud to date would change an election or justify it, what individual parties do on internal matters is up to them.
I take it that you are happy for fraud to take place because it’s only “minute”. When do you draw a line on size of fraud to introduce voter ID?
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So Syd from this, to quote you
So to answer your questions, ID in general elections NO, there has been no evidence that the minute amount of fraud to date would change an election or justify it, what individual parties do on internal matters is up to them.
I take it that you are happy for fraud to take place because it’s only “minute”. When do you draw a line on size of fraud to introduce voter ID?
No, I'm not happy for fraud to take place on any level, it would need to be looked at seriously when there is a danger of it changing the result of an election. Sort of like not strip searching everyone that leaves a self checkout supermarket because a hungry person steals some food.
Anything that we know of that could or did skew an election such as I reported above should be investigated, as it was. I therefore suggest that russian interference in UK politics should be immediately investigated and would imagine that as you are so concerned you would too, is that correct?