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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: roversdude on January 25, 2022, 12:01:35 pm
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Signed on 18 month deal
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He’s a good player from what I remember. Knocking on a bit but that is some of his value.
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Some kn*b has already updated wiki to say he plays for netto fc
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What a coupe that is for the position we are currently in, yes he may not have played as much as we like but no doubt this lad has some very good experience playing at the highest end of the championship.
Real statement from the club they do mean business.
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Getting close to The Edge now.
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Getting close to The Edge now.
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Good to see that he is old enough to grow a beard.
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Does he still have the beard?
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Getting close to The Edge now.
I expected to see some dodgy puns, but Billy, Ididn't think I'd see them from you too...
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Getting close to The Edge now.
Delete your account.
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Hope oggy is true to his word and pays the money to charity
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Getting close to The Edge now.
Delete your account.
U2
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Excellent signing, adds much needed experience and steel to the midfield. Played the vast majority of his career in the championship and at 33 he’s hardly past it
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18 month deal - probs means that Bostock isn’t in GM long term plans for next season.
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There was a hold up in discussions because of the legal fees but fortunately Rovers got a solicitor to do the work on a pro bono basis.
I’ll get me coat.
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Why was his contract at Birmingham terminated in November 21 .
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A very positive signing. A mister and valuable experience in a key position. Whatever division we are in next season, his signing will be a great addition. Used to be a class act at Boro and Huddersfield, albeit 5 to 10 years ago. If he is fit enough, then a great signing. A mister. We badly need a few misters.
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We’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.
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Usually agree with you gaz but experience was exactly what we needed in this window
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We’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.
Disagree. They are both capable of playing in league two.
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I believe that GMc is putting together a good strong Lge 2 side early so that come the start of next season we will be one of the main contenders for Auto promotion.
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We’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.
No doubt you'll get pelters for this (and I may do as well for this response) but it does make you wonder what the thinking is when the season is pretty much a foregone conclusion.
Not just that, but when you're trying to make the club sustainable, at 33, this is money you're not going to ever get back.
He's a decent player like and hopefully will do a job, but it doesn't jump out as very strategic to me.
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I'd say fairly good signing. In his prime a very good player. Has the potential to fill a gap in our squad but also wary it could go the way of Richard Naylor and Robbie Blake. Probably a gamble worth taking.
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We’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.
No doubt you'll get pelters for this (and I may do as well for this response) but it does make you wonder what the thinking is when the season is pretty much a foregone conclusion.
Not just that, but when you're trying to make the club sustainable, at 33, this is money you're not going to ever get back.
He's a decent player like and hopefully will do a job, but it doesn't jump out as very strategic to me.
It’s all about balance and people are never happy so the club can’t win.
When we signed the likes of younger and olowu the response is we need experience then when we sign experience the response is it’s not very strategic
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If you look at our midfield options for next season, we don’t have Smith or Galbraith, and we very likely don’t have Bostock and Gardner. Clayton yes is 33 (and a good player) but is pretty much our only contracted midfielder for next season. We can recruit 21/22 year olds to supplement him as we plan for the future. Nobody is saying entire midfield will be same age profile.
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We’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.
No doubt you'll get pelters for this (and I may do as well for this response) but it does make you wonder what the thinking is when the season is pretty much a foregone conclusion.
Not just that, but when you're trying to make the club sustainable, at 33, this is money you're not going to ever get back.
He's a decent player like and hopefully will do a job, but it doesn't jump out as very strategic to me.
It’s all about balance and people are never happy so the club can’t win.
When we signed the likes of younger and olowu the response is we need experience then when we sign experience the response is it’s not very strategic
I never said we needed experience when we signed Olowu and Younger. Don't think Gaz did either. I think they were two decent bits of business that will probably have upside if they both develop as players.
I knew I'd get accused of moaning or being "never happy" - it's not that at all. This guy will probably be a tidy player for the next 6-12 months if he can get fit quickly. But I care about the club and am concerned in the mid to long term that we haven't learned any lessons from what's happened before. Short-term fixes, no resale value, short term contracts and/or contracts expiring in bulk, gambles on players who aren't physically up to speed, managers dictating the football strategy and everything being ripped up when the next manager comes along.
I may well be proven wrong if the club starts doing deals like the Younger one that outweigh these ones (I hope so!). But out of the 4 signings this January, half of them have been in their 30's with patchy recent records of actually playing football, so forgive me for questioning it.
That's what's got us into the state we're in now. If I'm a moaning f*cker for not wanting that to keep happening, so be it.
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Just the type of player we need. Experienced head to try and get us out this mess this season and if not then a top end league two player for next year. As we've seen from before experience counts in getting you promoted from league two (Jones, Painter, McCombe, Brown etc).
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Usually agree with you gaz but experience was exactly what we needed in this window
What is experience?? I think we needed maturity. You don’t have to be 33yo to have that.
Let’s be honest, he’s not fully fit but Agard looks like he can’t run and I saw Clayton at Birmingham, he’s the same.
They may end up being great players in L2 but this isn’t the way we need to be going. It’s not what intelligent operators do. Obviously depends on what he’s earning, if he’s on £500 a week then it may be a low cost gamble. Why not give him 6 months to see what he has left? I could make you 20 players that would walk to the Keepmoat for a contract in the summer that would be smarter options than Agard and Clayton.
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Just as a signing should be, done and dusted then announced, hopefully he comes ready to go, lots of midfielder's are at their peak at 33,
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The last player Lee Bowyer couldn’t wait to get rid of, and we ended up with was… Bogle. He’s a good judge of a player is Lee Bowyer. The Champ is a big step up from where we are but he must have thought Clayton had completely gone to not even let him train with the squad this season.
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James Milner is still doing it in the Premier league at 36. 33's nowt.
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We're only willing to shop in free transfers, so when it comes to January that leaves those without a club or where we can talk clubs into letting their player go. Hopefully Clayton will turn out decent, I personally would have gone with a 6 month deal and then pick up someone from another League Two team like Guy, McWilliams, Maris or Elliott Watt.
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Just as a signing should be, done and dusted then announced, hopefully he comes ready to go, lots of midfielder's are at their peak at 33,
Lewington is 37 year old, he created all of the MK play on Saturday.
He might RATTLE the back of the net and HUM a few of the critics.
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Usually agree with you gaz but experience was exactly what we needed in this window
What is experience?? I think we needed maturity. You don’t have to be 33yo to have that.
Let’s be honest, he’s not fully fit but Agard looks like he can’t run and I saw Clayton at Birmingham, he’s the same.
They may end up being great players in L2 but this isn’t the way we need to be going. It’s not what intelligent operators do. Obviously depends on what he’s earning, if he’s on £500 a week then it may be a low cost gamble. Why not give him 6 months to see what he has left? I could make you 20 players that would walk to the Keepmoat for a contract in the summer that would be smarter options than Agard and Clayton.
Whatever league we are in this summer Gaz we will need the option of signing players. In Midfield we might have Bostock but his contracts up we will have Close if he recovers from injury. We will have to replace Galbraith and Smith. Up front we will need players.
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We're only willing to shop in free transfers, so when it comes to January that leaves those without a club or where we can talk clubs into letting their player go. Hopefully Clayton will turn out decent, I personally would have gone with a 6 month deal and then pick up someone from another League Two team like Guy, McWilliams, Maris or Elliott Watt.
I’d carry Shaun McWilliams here from Northampton and he would sign as well.
It’s not just about age, it’s signing players who are regressive. I’d bet a very short price the best signing from this window is the one that’s most progressive, Younger.
Anyone can find outliers who’s performance remains pretty constant after 30/31 but generally it’s just not the case.
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Pleased about this on the face of it. Vastly experienced and will add something extra to the side. I'm liking these additions but just feel they've come far too late. We will see though.
Is Clayton available for selection against Plymouth?
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Not sure he is going to be fit for anything beyond a cameo appearance.
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Great signing, loads of experience and will certainly help Smith and Galbraith and some of our other younger lads.
I had given up all hope of staying up but with this signing and perhaps a left back and another striker we could still do this yet.
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Not sure he is going to be fit for anything beyond a cameo appearance.
He's only 33. Not 103.
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that signing officially completes a "right handful " now we move over to the "left hand" to count the next signings just like i have repeatedly said Burton did this time last year .......
Déjà Vu ?? :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
update
at least we didn't have a Rovers Return for "spring chicken" 28 y.o Donervon Daniels released by Crewe gone to Walsall short term.
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There’s no right or wrong answer with this signing at the minute. Let’s wait and see how he performs, that’s the only time you can suggest if it’s a good signing or not
If he plays well and we stay up he’s going to have been a very good signing
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Coming from one of the glass half empty side of the fence I think this is very much a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't.
I don't think we will avoid relegation this season but for me the signing of Adam Clayton suggests that the club definitely think otherwise.
Some would have moaned had we signed another midfield youngster on loan others moan that we have signed someone older and who isn't 100% fit to start.
Personally I think he could be a good signing and if we also manage to sign a striker we will have an outside chance of staying up.
For me it is more important to stay up this season, we can worry about next season once we know either way.
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Stop with the U2 jokes. Boy am I tied of it. Be New Years Day before it stops. I feel like The Fly on the wall watching it all. Please pay attention, or Achtung Baby to our German readers... (I'll stop now)....
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"since-1961" seems to have hijacked a lot of users accounts on this thread
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We’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.
No doubt you'll get pelters for this (and I may do as well for this response) but it does make you wonder what the thinking is when the season is pretty much a foregone conclusion.
Not just that, but when you're trying to make the club sustainable, at 33, this is money you're not going to ever get back.
He's a decent player like and hopefully will do a job, but it doesn't jump out as very strategic to me.
It’s all about balance and people are never happy so the club can’t win.
When we signed the likes of younger and olowu the response is we need experience then when we sign experience the response is it’s not very strategic
I never said we needed experience when we signed Olowu and Younger. Don't think Gaz did either. I think they were two decent bits of business that will probably have upside if they both develop as players.
I knew I'd get accused of moaning or being "never happy" - it's not that at all. This guy will probably be a tidy player for the next 6-12 months if he can get fit quickly. But I care about the club and am concerned in the mid to long term that we haven't learned any lessons from what's happened before. Short-term fixes, no resale value, short term contracts and/or contracts expiring in bulk, gambles on players who aren't physically up to speed, managers dictating the football strategy and everything being ripped up when the next manager comes along.
I may well be proven wrong if the club starts doing deals like the Younger one that outweigh these ones (I hope so!). But out of the 4 signings this January, half of them have been in their 30's with patchy recent records of actually playing football, so forgive me for questioning it.
That's what's got us into the state we're in now. If I'm a moaning f*cker for not wanting that to keep happening, so be it.
Don’t worry it’s Dickos’ M.O. to put words in the mouth of others in order to cause an argument. He is either a WUM or lacks the capacity to process information properly.
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Nobody knows anything until it starts happening, I read and shudder at what must fill some peoples heads……everyone’s a gaffer !
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He puts a foot in and lays the ball off, and has been a useful member of some good teams. I think he is a great addition to our side, the type of player we have been missing, and will allow players in our young mid field the space and time to be more progressive and expansive.
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I’m very happy with this signing. Of course he’ll need time to get match fit, but he brings a lot of things this team currently lacks.
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How long will it be before someone says his legs have gone ?
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Getting close to The Edge now.
A great tune by thirty seconds to Mars.
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How long will it be before someone says his legs have gone ?
(https://img.gifglobe.com/grabs/partridgecloud/S02E05/S02E05-OJ4gYC0p-subtitled.jpg)
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This from a brum forum.
“Good luck to him. Seemed like a decent guy from the interviews I've seen but he just didn't have the legs anymore to do a job for us.”
We shall judge him on his performance with us of course. A good acquisition for lge 2 if that happens.
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I feel like a big reason (as well as injuries) we've struggled in the last year has been an over reliance on youth and loans. We've signed 2 experienced players, in positions we're desperately short, on permanent deals. That feels like fairly smart recruitment to me.
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Bessie why does he need to build a league 2 side we’re staying up
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On the face of it this is a good signing, just what we’ve been crying out for, Galbraith could thrive alongside him, lets see before putting the black dog on him eh?
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We’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.
the younger ones could not do it, so experience could work
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I hope he’s not a pile of overrated kak, like his namesake’s band.
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I never said we needed experience when we signed Olowu and Younger. Don't think Gaz did either. I think they were two decent bits of business that will probably have upside if they both develop as players.
I knew I'd get accused of moaning or being "never happy" - it's not that at all. This guy will probably be a tidy player for the next 6-12 months if he can get fit quickly. But I care about the club and am concerned in the mid to long term that we haven't learned any lessons from what's happened before. Short-term fixes, no resale value, short term contracts and/or contracts expiring in bulk, gambles on players who aren't physically up to speed, managers dictating the football strategy and everything being ripped up when the next manager comes along.
I may well be proven wrong if the club starts doing deals like the Younger one that outweigh these ones (I hope so!). But out of the 4 signings this January, half of them have been in their 30's with patchy recent records of actually playing football, so forgive me for questioning it.
That's what's got us into the state we're in now. If I'm a moaning f*cker for not wanting that to keep happening, so be it.
Did you feel the same way about James Coppinger when he was still playing for us at 39/40...? I get where you are coming from, but Adam Clayton has only just turned 33 (younger than Tommy Rowe) and was playing in the Championship less than a year ago.... He will bring invaluable experience, cost us nothing and I doubt that he will be on a huge wage...
Let's see how hungry he is..... if we can get him fit and playing to anywhere near his potential, we will have a good player on our hands - for no significant outlay.
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We’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.
the younger ones could not do it, so experience could work
Couldn't do what?
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Bessie why does he need to build a league 2 side we’re staying up
I did say “if” that happens.
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We’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.
No doubt you'll get pelters for this (and I may do as well for this response) but it does make you wonder what the thinking is when the season is pretty much a foregone conclusion.
Not just that, but when you're trying to make the club sustainable, at 33, this is money you're not going to ever get back.
He's a decent player like and hopefully will do a job, but it doesn't jump out as very strategic to me.
have I missed sumthing here!!!!!!money were not going to get back?????have we paid a fee for him like,sure any wages we spend on players we won’t get back
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We’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.
No doubt you'll get pelters for this (and I may do as well for this response) but it does make you wonder what the thinking is when the season is pretty much a foregone conclusion.
Not just that, but when you're trying to make the club sustainable, at 33, this is money you're not going to ever get back.
He's a decent player like and hopefully will do a job, but it doesn't jump out as very strategic to me.
have I missed sumthing here!!!!!!money were not going to get back?????have we paid a fee for him like,sure any wages we spend on players we won’t get back
You recoup money if you can sell a player, yes.
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Clayton will be a free transfer. It’s just his wages we will be forking out for.
Based on recent performances, we must have faith that there are positive steps regarding having a cohesive team that can compete. We saw it against Wigan , Cambridge and mk. I suspect we will see some more green shoots come Saturday.
Anyone who thinks this club is in the market for big bucks signings of players who are under contract at other clubs is crackers. And there are not that many free agents out there of real quality, otherwise they would not be free. Clayton won’t be cheap wages wise.
We take what we can. And you can dress that up how you like. The youth crèche will argue we shop at Netto. Derby supporters and those of us long in the tooth enough would argue otherwise. Sustainable, affordable, manageable finances around what has always traditionally been a lower league football club.
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Alot will depend on whether he can prove his fitness given he hasn't played for a good year or so. If he can regain fitness, we certainly should have a quality midfielder to bolster the ranks and provide much needed steel.
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I never said we needed experience when we signed Olowu and Younger. Don't think Gaz did either. I think they were two decent bits of business that will probably have upside if they both develop as players.
I knew I'd get accused of moaning or being "never happy" - it's not that at all. This guy will probably be a tidy player for the next 6-12 months if he can get fit quickly. But I care about the club and am concerned in the mid to long term that we haven't learned any lessons from what's happened before. Short-term fixes, no resale value, short term contracts and/or contracts expiring in bulk, gambles on players who aren't physically up to speed, managers dictating the football strategy and everything being ripped up when the next manager comes along.
I may well be proven wrong if the club starts doing deals like the Younger one that outweigh these ones (I hope so!). But out of the 4 signings this January, half of them have been in their 30's with patchy recent records of actually playing football, so forgive me for questioning it.
That's what's got us into the state we're in now. If I'm a moaning f*cker for not wanting that to keep happening, so be it.
Did you feel the same way about James Coppinger when he was still playing for us at 39/40...? I get where you are coming from, but Adam Clayton has only just turned 33 (younger than Tommy Rowe) and was playing in the Championship less than a year ago.... He will bring invaluable experience, cost us nothing and I doubt that he will be on a huge wage...
Let's see how hungry he is..... if we can get him fit and playing to anywhere near his potential, we will have a good player on our hands - for no significant outlay.
That's a big "if" to say he's not costing us anything.
Coppinger was a completely different example entirely.
I think I've made it clear in my post what my concerns with our approach are so I'm not going to ram it down people's throats.
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James Milner is still doing it in the Premier league at 36. 33's nowt.
Milner v Clayton . Who would you choose ? Milner at 40 will still be playing imo !!
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We’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.
No doubt you'll get pelters for this (and I may do as well for this response) but it does make you wonder what the thinking is when the season is pretty much a foregone conclusion.
Not just that, but when you're trying to make the club sustainable, at 33, this is money you're not going to ever get back.
He's a decent player like and hopefully will do a job, but it doesn't jump out as very strategic to me.
have I missed sumthing here!!!!!!money were not going to get back?????have we paid a fee for him like,sure any wages we spend on players we won’t get back
You recoup money if you can sell a player, yes.
but we are only spending on his wages like anyone else that we would get and wouldn’t recoup any of their wages so don’t get this we won’t recoup any money we are spending on him
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Usually agree with you gaz but experience was exactly what we needed in this window
What is experience?? I think we needed maturity. You don’t have to be 33yo to have that.
Let’s be honest, he’s not fully fit but Agard looks like he can’t run and I saw Clayton at Birmingham, he’s the same.
They may end up being great players in L2 but this isn’t the way we need to be going. It’s not what intelligent operators do. Obviously depends on what he’s earning, if he’s on £500 a week then it may be a low cost gamble. Why not give him 6 months to see what he has left? I could make you 20 players that would walk to the Keepmoat for a contract in the summer that would be smarter options than Agard and Clayton.
There are players at Farley Celtic on £500 a week.
I know this for certain.
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James Milner is still doing it in the Premier league at 36. 33's nowt.
Milner v Clayton . Who would you choose ? Milner at 40 will still be playing imo !!
Still not managed even through gritted teeth to complimentary
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We’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.
No doubt you'll get pelters for this (and I may do as well for this response) but it does make you wonder what the thinking is when the season is pretty much a foregone conclusion.
Not just that, but when you're trying to make the club sustainable, at 33, this is money you're not going to ever get back.
He's a decent player like and hopefully will do a job, but it doesn't jump out as very strategic to me.
have I missed sumthing here!!!!!!money were not going to get back?????have we paid a fee for him like,sure any wages we spend on players we won’t get back
You recoup money if you can sell a player, yes.
but we are only spending on his wages like anyone else that we would get and wouldn’t recoup any of their wages so don’t get this we won’t recoup any money we are spending on him
Were less likely to receive money for Clayton than we would for someone 10 years younger is all he's saying.
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We’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.
No doubt you'll get pelters for this (and I may do as well for this response) but it does make you wonder what the thinking is when the season is pretty much a foregone conclusion.
Not just that, but when you're trying to make the club sustainable, at 33, this is money you're not going to ever get back.
He's a decent player like and hopefully will do a job, but it doesn't jump out as very strategic to me.
have I missed sumthing here!!!!!!money were not going to get back?????have we paid a fee for him like,sure any wages we spend on players we won’t get back
You recoup money if you can sell a player, yes.
but we are only spending on his wages like anyone else that we would get and wouldn’t recoup any of their wages so don’t get this we won’t recoup any money we are spending on him
So when we sold Marquis and Whiteman for £1m+, we didn't recoup any of our outlay we'd spent on them?
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McSheffrey confirmed we've got an extra year option on both Clayton and Younger.
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McSheffrey confirmed we've got an extra year option on both Clayton and Younger.
they have to play X amount of games to trigger the clause in the contract for the extra year
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It all depends whether he looks after himself as a player. We needed some experienced know how and we’ve got it. Not many would sign up for a six month contract, eighteen month is about right.
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It all depends whether he looks after himself as a player. We needed some experienced know how and we’ve got it. Not many would sign up for a six month contract, eighteen month is about right.
Agree. I am concerned about him being given an 18 month deal but like you say, who is going to come for a 6 month deal?
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Usually agree with you gaz but experience was exactly what we needed in this window
What is experience?? I think we needed maturity. You don’t have to be 33yo to have that.
Let’s be honest, he’s not fully fit but Agard looks like he can’t run and I saw Clayton at Birmingham, he’s the same.
They may end up being great players in L2 but this isn’t the way we need to be going. It’s not what intelligent operators do. Obviously depends on what he’s earning, if he’s on £500 a week then it may be a low cost gamble. Why not give him 6 months to see what he has left? I could make you 20 players that would walk to the Keepmoat for a contract in the summer that would be smarter options than Agard and Clayton.
There are players at Farley Celtic on £500 a week.
I know this for certain.
We don't need any more Creche members.
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It all depends whether he looks after himself as a player. We needed some experienced know how and we’ve got it. Not many would sign up for a six month contract, eighteen month is about right.
Agree. I am concerned about him being given an 18 month deal but like you say, who is going to come for a 6 month deal?
Marquis went to Lincoln on a 6 month deal.
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If he’s fit and hungry for the battle he’s the experience we’re missing. Looks a shrewd signing
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We’ve signed three 32+ year olds in two windows and had a deal for another fall through at the last minute. That’s not how to be doing things.
Edit: 4 if you count Gardner.
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We’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.
No doubt you'll get pelters for this (and I may do as well for this response) but it does make you wonder what the thinking is when the season is pretty much a foregone conclusion.
Not just that, but when you're trying to make the club sustainable, at 33, this is money you're not going to ever get back.
He's a decent player like and hopefully will do a job, but it doesn't jump out as very strategic to me.
It’s all about balance and people are never happy so the club can’t win.
When we signed the likes of younger and olowu the response is we need experience then when we sign experience the response is it’s not very strategic
I never said we needed experience when we signed Olowu and Younger. Don't think Gaz did either. I think they were two decent bits of business that will probably have upside if they both develop as players.
I knew I'd get accused of moaning or being "never happy" - it's not that at all. This guy will probably be a tidy player for the next 6-12 months if he can get fit quickly. But I care about the club and am concerned in the mid to long term that we haven't learned any lessons from what's happened before. Short-term fixes, no resale value, short term contracts and/or contracts expiring in bulk, gambles on players who aren't physically up to speed, managers dictating the football strategy and everything being ripped up when the next manager comes along.
I may well be proven wrong if the club starts doing deals like the Younger one that outweigh these ones (I hope so!). But out of the 4 signings this January, half of them have been in their 30's with patchy recent records of actually playing football, so forgive me for questioning it.
That's what's got us into the state we're in now. If I'm a moaning f*cker for not wanting that to keep happening, so be it.
We've actually made 5 signings this January, 3 of them in their 20s.
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Just the type of player we need. Experienced head to try and get us out this mess this season and if not then a top end league two player for next year. As we've seen from before experience counts in getting you promoted from league two (Jones, Painter, McCombe, Brown etc).
None of those players played for us in League 2.
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Looks a very good signing to me. Once he is match fit just the type of midfielder we need.
What’s the problem with him being 33. We need experience in the team, we need leaders and that is what we have got.
Shows real intent from the Club. Just gives us a sniff of staying up if we can get Agard, Dodoo, and Bogle scoring goals on a consistent basis.
If we do go down, then with these new signings we will have started building a squad that should be competing for the top 3 next season.
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We’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.
No doubt you'll get pelters for this (and I may do as well for this response) but it does make you wonder what the thinking is when the season is pretty much a foregone conclusion.
Not just that, but when you're trying to make the club sustainable, at 33, this is money you're not going to ever get back.
He's a decent player like and hopefully will do a job, but it doesn't jump out as very strategic to me.
It’s all about balance and people are never happy so the club can’t win.
When we signed the likes of younger and olowu the response is we need experience then when we sign experience the response is it’s not very strategic
I never said we needed experience when we signed Olowu and Younger. Don't think Gaz did either. I think they were two decent bits of business that will probably have upside if they both develop as players.
I knew I'd get accused of moaning or being "never happy" - it's not that at all. This guy will probably be a tidy player for the next 6-12 months if he can get fit quickly. But I care about the club and am concerned in the mid to long term that we haven't learned any lessons from what's happened before. Short-term fixes, no resale value, short term contracts and/or contracts expiring in bulk, gambles on players who aren't physically up to speed, managers dictating the football strategy and everything being ripped up when the next manager comes along.
I may well be proven wrong if the club starts doing deals like the Younger one that outweigh these ones (I hope so!). But out of the 4 signings this January, half of them have been in their 30's with patchy recent records of actually playing football, so forgive me for questioning it.
That's what's got us into the state we're in now. If I'm a moaning f*cker for not wanting that to keep happening, so be it.
We've actually made 5 signings this January, 3 of them in their 20s.
I forgot Martin, but think the point still stands regardless that it's a high proportion, especially with JM being a loanee.
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Tommy Rowe is 33. Hardly the worst signing in this team and who's going to tell him he's past it or his legs have gone?
I do wish people would wait and see people play/not play before they start slagging them off.
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We’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.
No doubt you'll get pelters for this (and I may do as well for this response) but it does make you wonder what the thinking is when the season is pretty much a foregone conclusion.
Not just that, but when you're trying to make the club sustainable, at 33, this is money you're not going to ever get back.
He's a decent player like and hopefully will do a job, but it doesn't jump out as very strategic to me.
It’s all about balance and people are never happy so the club can’t win.
When we signed the likes of younger and olowu the response is we need experience then when we sign experience the response is it’s not very strategic
I never said we needed experience when we signed Olowu and Younger. Don't think Gaz did either. I think they were two decent bits of business that will probably have upside if they both develop as players.
I knew I'd get accused of moaning or being "never happy" - it's not that at all. This guy will probably be a tidy player for the next 6-12 months if he can get fit quickly. But I care about the club and am concerned in the mid to long term that we haven't learned any lessons from what's happened before. Short-term fixes, no resale value, short term contracts and/or contracts expiring in bulk, gambles on players who aren't physically up to speed, managers dictating the football strategy and everything being ripped up when the next manager comes along.
I may well be proven wrong if the club starts doing deals like the Younger one that outweigh these ones (I hope so!). But out of the 4 signings this January, half of them have been in their 30's with patchy recent records of actually playing football, so forgive me for questioning it.
That's what's got us into the state we're in now. If I'm a moaning f*cker for not wanting that to keep happening, so be it.
Don’t worry it’s Dickos’ M.O. to put words in the mouth of others in order to cause an argument. He is either a WUM or lacks the capacity to process information properly.
There must’ve been 5 or 6 wums commenting on your ridiculous post then. Cause everyone was of the the same view as me
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After seeing some of the embarrassing performances from young lightweight kids this season, being bullied and outfought all over the park by League 1 mesters, I can't believe people are being negative about players in their early 30s being signed.
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We’ve signed three 32+ year olds in two windows and had a deal for another fall through at the last minute. That’s not how to be doing things.
We wouldn’t have signed Clayton if we’d got o toole.
And we’ve also made some good progressive signings this season in owulu, younger, knoyle,
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I'm only concerned with the length of deal with this and Agard really. In theory they are both more than good enough for L2 but both have injury records to fit the rest of our squad and are getting on. Sometimes the drop in ability from ageing can be quite rapid.
I can only think that the length of deal is the only way we're getting them to sign. If Agard and Clayton were on deals to end of the season with an option to extend if they did well i think we'd have played a blinder. As it is there are certainly risks with the signings.
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I'm only concerned with the length of deal with this and Agard really. In theory they are both more than good enough for L2 but both have injury records to fit the rest of our squad and are getting on. Sometimes the drop in ability from ageing can be quite rapid.
I can only think that the length of deal is the only way we're getting them to sign. If Agard and Clayton were on deals to end of the season with an option to extend if they did well i think we'd have played a blinder. As it is there are certainly risks with the signings.
18 month deal with the option for another 12 months if they play the required amount of games
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Does he still have the beard?
Yes & it also looks like he has 4 knees, either that or extremely large gonads. Great signing, well done Rovers.
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We’ve signed three 32+ year olds in two windows and had a deal for another fall through at the last minute. That’s not how to be doing things.
We wouldn’t have signed Clayton if we’d got o toole.
And we’ve also made some good progressive signings this season in owulu, younger, knoyle,
They play different positions. If they thought JJOT is a midfielder it’s time to give up now because they are guessing.
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This “experience leaders” line is bullshit by the way. Look at Rotherham’s midfield. Average age 25, they will out fight any midfield in L1. They can outrun experience.
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Happy with this signing. Ticks the boxes of what we've been looking for, although I've seen him a few times in recent years mainly in 100mph local derbies, so I'm not sure of his full range of abilities but he'll add that bit of strength and noise we need.
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I imagine there were lots of comments like this when we signed players like oster and horlock,
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Hope he plays a bit more than Horlock like
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I imagine there were lots of comments like this when we signed players like oster and horlock,
Quick, change Horlock for……..anybody!
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We’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.
No doubt you'll get pelters for this (and I may do as well for this response) but it does make you wonder what the thinking is when the season is pretty much a foregone conclusion.
Not just that, but when you're trying to make the club sustainable, at 33, this is money you're not going to ever get back.
He's a decent player like and hopefully will do a job, but it doesn't jump out as very strategic to me.
have I missed sumthing here!!!!!!money were not going to get back?????have we paid a fee for him like,sure any wages we spend on players we won’t get back
You recoup money if you can sell a player, yes.
but we are only spending on his wages like anyone else that we would get and wouldn’t recoup any of their wages so don’t get this we won’t recoup any money we are spending on him
So when we sold Marquis and Whiteman for £1m+, we didn't recoup any of our outlay we'd spent on them?
[/quoteWe’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.
No doubt you'll get pelters for this (and I may do as well for this response) but it does make you wonder what the thinking is when the season is pretty much a foregone conclusion.
Not just that, but when you're trying to make the club sustainable, at 33, this is money you're not going to ever get back.
He's a decent player like and hopefully will do a job, but it doesn't jump out as very strategic to me.
have I missed sumthing here!!!!!!money were not going to get back?????have we paid a fee for him like,sure any wages we spend on players we won’t get back
You recoup money if you can sell a player, yes.
but we are only spending on his wages like anyone else that we would get and wouldn’t recoup any of their wages so don’t get this we won’t recoup any money we are spending on him
So when we sold Marquis and Whiteman for £1m+, we didn't recoup any of our outlay we'd spent on them?
I don’t think we paid a fee for Marquis did we but yeah we recouped money on whiteman as we paid a fee for him
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We’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.
No doubt you'll get pelters for this (and I may do as well for this response) but it does make you wonder what the thinking is when the season is pretty much a foregone conclusion.
Not just that, but when you're trying to make the club sustainable, at 33, this is money you're not going to ever get back.
He's a decent player like and hopefully will do a job, but it doesn't jump out as very strategic to me.
have I missed sumthing here!!!!!!money were not going to get back?????have we paid a fee for him like,sure any wages we spend on players we won’t get back
You recoup money if you can sell a player, yes.
but we are only spending on his wages like anyone else that we would get and wouldn’t recoup any of their wages so don’t get this we won’t recoup any money we are spending on him
Were less likely to receive money for Clayton than we would for someone 10 years younger is all he's saying.
same could be said about any player though regardless of age
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We’ve signed three 32+ year olds in two windows and had a deal for another fall through at the last minute. That’s not how to be doing things.
A bit of balance is good though isn't it?
Jamie mccombe
Rob Jones
Paul Barnes
Gareth Taylor
Neil sullivan
Kevin Horlock
Just a few examples of experience who did pretty well, could add Gary mcsheffrey to that too.
We need a bit more experience in the team just for balance with a lot of youngsters also.
Saw a point on Rotherhams midfield. If we had Galbraith, smith and Clayton in there what's our average midfield age?
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I imagine there were lots of comments like this when we signed players like oster and horlock,
Quick, change Horlock for……..anybody!
World beater in those 13 games on loan. Not such a great impact in the 2 games as a permanent signing before he basically retired due to injury.
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There’s no right or wrong way when it comes to age experience being important V age experience not being important. Every squads needs are different. We absolutely needed an older head in the middle and I am as strong in views of how poorly ran football wise we are as is humanly possible.
Solid signing for next season’s needs.
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Happy with this signing. Again the board backing the manager as much as they can
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Two loan slots to fill yet, this has the makings of an excellent window
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We’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.
No doubt you'll get pelters for this (and I may do as well for this response) but it does make you wonder what the thinking is when the season is pretty much a foregone conclusion.
Not just that, but when you're trying to make the club sustainable, at 33, this is money you're not going to ever get back.
He's a decent player like and hopefully will do a job, but it doesn't jump out as very strategic to me.
have I missed sumthing here!!!!!!money were not going to get back?????have we paid a fee for him like,sure any wages we spend on players we won’t get back
You recoup money if you can sell a player, yes.
but we are only spending on his wages like anyone else that we would get and wouldn’t recoup any of their wages so don’t get this we won’t recoup any money we are spending on him
So when we sold Marquis and Whiteman for £1m+, we didn't recoup any of our outlay we'd spent on them?
[/quoteWe’ve signed two 32/33 year olds in one window. Both played a dozen games in 18months. Whatever the situation, you never need to do that.
No doubt you'll get pelters for this (and I may do as well for this response) but it does make you wonder what the thinking is when the season is pretty much a foregone conclusion.
Not just that, but when you're trying to make the club sustainable, at 33, this is money you're not going to ever get back.
He's a decent player like and hopefully will do a job, but it doesn't jump out as very strategic to me.
have I missed sumthing here!!!!!!money were not going to get back?????have we paid a fee for him like,sure any wages we spend on players we won’t get back
You recoup money if you can sell a player, yes.
but we are only spending on his wages like anyone else that we would get and wouldn’t recoup any of their wages so don’t get this we won’t recoup any money we are spending on him
So when we sold Marquis and Whiteman for £1m+, we didn't recoup any of our outlay we'd spent on them?
I don’t think we paid a fee for Marquis did we but yeah we recouped money on whiteman as we paid a fee for him
I know we didn’t pay a fee for Marquis. He didn’t play for nothing though did he?
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Usually agree with you gaz but experience was exactly what we needed in this window
What is experience?? I think we needed maturity. You don’t have to be 33yo to have that.
Let’s be honest, he’s not fully fit but Agard looks like he can’t run and I saw Clayton at Birmingham, he’s the same.
They may end up being great players in L2 but this isn’t the way we need to be going. It’s not what intelligent operators do. Obviously depends on what he’s earning, if he’s on £500 a week then it may be a low cost gamble. Why not give him 6 months to see what he has left? I could make you 20 players that would walk to the Keepmoat for a contract in the summer that would be smarter options than Agard and Clayton.
There are players at Farley Celtic on £500 a week.
I know this for certain.
We don't need any more Creche members.
Haha, good spot pies.
Those ruskies are getting everywhere aren’t they.
Point of interest though, that is what happens when the wife wants the iPad and I haven’t finished my post.
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We’ve signed three 32+ year olds in two windows and had a deal for another fall through at the last minute. That’s not how to be doing things.
A bit of balance is good though isn't it?
Jamie mccombe
Rob Jones
Paul Barnes
Gareth Taylor
Neil sullivan
Kevin Horlock
Just a few examples of experience who did pretty well, could add Gary mcsheffrey to that too.
We need a bit more experience in the team just for balance with a lot of youngsters also.
Saw a point on Rotherhams midfield. If we had Galbraith, smith and Clayton in there what's our average midfield age?
Is Agard, Rowe, Taylor, Bostock and Anderson enough experience in a team? Obviously not all fit at the minute but when they are there’s plenty of years under the belt there.
Experience is the most over valued commodity in football. That’s a fact. I’m not saying it doesn’t play a part but it’s a cop out for poor coaches or poor recruitment a lot of the time.
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I don’t know whether he has all of a sudden become knackered but not much more than a year ago he was a regular and top performer in the Championship. Maybe he is now over the edge, maybe not.
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After seeing some of the embarrassing performances from young lightweight kids this season, being bullied and outfought all over the park by League 1 mesters, I can't believe people are being negative about players in their early 30s being signed.
Our fans will find something to be negative about in everything.
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We’ve signed three 32+ year olds in two windows and had a deal for another fall through at the last minute. That’s not how to be doing things.
A bit of balance is good though isn't it?
Jamie mccombe
Rob Jones
Paul Barnes
Gareth Taylor
Neil sullivan
Kevin Horlock
Just a few examples of experience who did pretty well, could add Gary mcsheffrey to that too.
We need a bit more experience in the team just for balance with a lot of youngsters also.
Saw a point on Rotherhams midfield. If we had Galbraith, smith and Clayton in there what's our average midfield age?
Experience is the most over valued commodity in football. That’s a fact. I’m not saying it doesn’t play a part but it’s a cop out for poor coaches or poor recruitment a lot of the time.
What makes it a fact? As it sounds very much like your opinion.
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Not every player you sign needs resale value. Not every player needs to be a world-beater either.
If Clayton gets fit and is HALF the player he was only a few years ago, playing every week for a Premier League team, he will be a great signing. His style of play, if he can do it, is exactly what we need. We were going to sign O'Toole for this role.
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We’ve signed three 32+ year olds in two windows and had a deal for another fall through at the last minute. That’s not how to be doing things.
A bit of balance is good though isn't it?
Jamie mccombe
Rob Jones
Paul Barnes
Gareth Taylor
Neil sullivan
Kevin Horlock
Just a few examples of experience who did pretty well, could add Gary mcsheffrey to that too.
We need a bit more experience in the team just for balance with a lot of youngsters also.
Saw a point on Rotherhams midfield. If we had Galbraith, smith and Clayton in there what's our average midfield age?
Is Agard, Rowe, Taylor, Bostock and Anderson enough experience in a team? Obviously not all fit at the minute but when they are there’s plenty of years under the belt there.
Experience is the most over valued commodity in football. That’s a fact. I’m not saying it doesn’t play a part but it’s a cop out for poor coaches or poor recruitment a lot of the time.
Perhaps you should apply for the managers job next time it comes up, you'd have us in the Prem within 5 years you're that knowledgeable on footie!!
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Very important and significant signing, right up there with when Snods got Dave Penney on board.Hope it works out as well as that one did.
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It's about balance i'm happy so long as we sign, say, 3 players or Youngers ilk for every one in Claytons bracket. Need to be consistent in our approach it'll pay off in the long run.
Given we're in Jan they'll be more players like Agard and Clayton available than there will be ones like Younger.
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We needed some "old heads" Sometimes the old experienced head can get a machine up and running while the young head says wtf do we do here and phones the old head for advice :)
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I didn’t think the board would have the courage to sack Wellens, but I am delighted they proved me wrong. I think we have made solid signings that will produce far better results going forward. Whether it is enough to keep us up we can only wait and see. When we are bottom of the league we are unlikely to encourage anyone to come to Rovers unless they are offered an 18 month contract.
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No one can be sure how he will develop/redevelop once he gets up to speed and fitness. Undoubtedly a difficult judgement. I feel that GM has made good decisions so far and I suspect that his knowledge of the player and his remaining potential is probably more extensive than most. I would have thought that in these circumstances the risk in signing a older player with this history is one that is worth taking.
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Clayton could help the resale value of the younger players ,with the knowledge he can pass on.
He’s been a good player all his career, he knows what he can and can’t do. This could be a shrewd signing.
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We’ve signed three 32+ year olds in two windows and had a deal for another fall through at the last minute. That’s not how to be doing things.
A bit of balance is good though isn't it?
Jamie mccombe
Rob Jones
Paul Barnes
Gareth Taylor
Neil sullivan
Kevin Horlock
Just a few examples of experience who did pretty well, could add Gary mcsheffrey to that too.
We need a bit more experience in the team just for balance with a lot of youngsters also.
Saw a point on Rotherhams midfield. If we had Galbraith, smith and Clayton in there what's our average midfield age?
Kevin Horlock played 19 games for us in two years because he was ‘crocked’.
Gareth Taylor played 31 games & scored 1 goal.
Not the ‘best two’ to support your argument.
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My claim to fame is in 2010/11 I worked for U2 Adam Clayton!!! I restored Danesmoate where U2 recorded The Joshua Tree, and Clayton made it his home.
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Sometimes as a young player you just need an older head that you can give the ball to with confidence that he won’t give it straight away.
It makes the game so much easier rather than panic and aimlessly hoof the ball forward or lose it in a tackle.
He could give our midfield that option and improve their confidence which in turn helps the back line out.
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We desperately need some mesterliness in midfield.
Smith has a good engine and Galbraith has a lovely touch and pass but time and again we have looked short of that bit of nous. Trying the clever stuff 30 yards from our goal, or just being brushed aside by a physically more imposing opposition. If Clayton can bring that solidity, it might give the young uns a better base to take the game to the opposition. And perhaps let Rowe drop back in to left back and strengthen that areae.
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2 loan spaces to fill - maybe a left back and another forward??
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"Mesterliness", it has to be a parody at this point.
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Why hasn't he played for a year?
Why has no one picked him up since his release? Or is that answered by the first question?
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I agree with BST, Rowe will probably drop back into the LB position when Clayton is fit. If as GMc is saying we are looking for a loan striker I wonder who out of the current front 3 will be benchwarming. It looks like we are getting a decent squad together which can only be strengthened if/when the sicknotes start returning
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Going back a few years i remember Dave MacKay playing Paul Raven and Steve Raffell as the centre halves after coming up from successful youth team. Both struggled he brought in Jack Ashurst who was maybe 34 at the time and played him alongside Raven who then progressed with an old head at the side of him and went on to a higher level.
Ian Atkins coming in as manager saw where we were struggling and registered himself as a player and sat in front of the back four made us a lot better and organised and stopped conceding simple goals.
Hopefully these older guys will come in play their part and our younger players will benefit from playing with experienced players.
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There is some value in signing old players with not much sell-on if they can help the young players alongside them develop. The problem is that in midfield we have Smith (not our player), Galbraith (not our player), Rowe (in his 30s), Bostock (in his 30s). Hopefully he can benefit Ravenhill, Hasani and Greaves even though they're all miles off it currently.
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Got to agree there is a massive gulf between our youth midfielders and what we need, I’m sure as others have said the addition of Clayton will bring these guys on. Look who Ian Snodin had around him when first in the team (I know he was exceptional but you never know)
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I agree with BST, Rowe will probably drop back into the LB position when Clayton is fit. If as GMc is saying we are looking for a loan striker I wonder who out of the current front 3 will be benchwarming. It looks like we are getting a decent squad together which can only be strengthened if/when the sicknotes start returning
for me it must be bogle out of contract at the end of the season probably will be released start with players that will be here next season
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One problem there, Bogle isn't starting so not really part of the front 3
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I agree with BST, Rowe will probably drop back into the LB position when Clayton is fit. If as GMc is saying we are looking for a loan striker I wonder who out of the current front 3 will be benchwarming. It looks like we are getting a decent squad together which can only be strengthened if/when the sicknotes start returning
I don’t think it will be a case of someone dropping out. We will need all the bodies we can have for the rest of the season if we are to have a chance of staying up. One of the main struggles this season has been that we haven’t had many good 90 minute performances, that’s down to our bench not being as strong and us fading in games.
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I bet Tommy Rowe is happy to just not be playing CB!
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Looks like Adam could be playing sooner than many thought...
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-new-boy-adam-clayton-has-looked-after-himself-during-time-off-the-pitch-3543786
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There is some value in signing old players with not much sell-on if they can help the young players alongside them develop. The problem is that in midfield we have Smith (not our player), Galbraith (not our player), Rowe (in his 30s), Bostock (in his 30s). Hopefully he can benefit Ravenhill, Hasani and Greaves even though they're all miles off it currently.
There’s always a chance to add more MF players in the summer too, looking further ahead of course.
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Interesting listening to RadioSheffield last night, they had a Birmingham City fan on talking about the Sheff Wed player, and Adam Clayton - he thought Adam Clayton would have a huge impact on our team. The one word that keeps coming up is leadership and organisation.
I think along with his considerable skill level, this is something Ben Whiteman brought to DRFC, and we have been lacking ever since.