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Title: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Metalmicky on January 29, 2022, 02:10:44 pm
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Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: ScillyRover on January 29, 2022, 02:15:34 pm
Mmmm … surprised he’s not given Clayton a start. He’s one element of play we are desperately needing.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: arkseyrover on January 29, 2022, 02:24:05 pm
maybe not yet ready for a full 90 minutes but probably give him a run later on or if we start looking defensively dodgy
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Colemans Left Hook on January 29, 2022, 02:25:44 pm
they have X- loanees Grant Houghton & Ennis starting

Ennis was no "Dennis the Menace" when we had him

hopefully their defence is "SCARRED" after those two late soft goals 

lets hope we all make some £-s-d Today  :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Dutch Uncle on January 29, 2022, 02:25:52 pm
BBC and DROS have Barlow on the bench instead of Ravenhill? Was there a late injury?
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: The Beast on January 29, 2022, 02:35:03 pm
they have X- loanees Grant Houghton & Ennis starting

Ennis was no "Dennis the Menace" when we had him

hopefully their defence is "SCARRED" after those two late soft goals 

lets hope we all make some £-s-d Today  :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
I thought Ennis was quality
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: rich1471 on January 29, 2022, 02:59:07 pm
Sat at home with ifollow on ,come on rivers
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Dutch Uncle on January 29, 2022, 03:00:16 pm
Sat at home with ifollow on ,come on rivers

The inevitable result of streaming? :lol:
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Barmby Rover on January 29, 2022, 03:02:21 pm
A lotof change in Rovers compared to just two weeks ago, hopefully they will have a good day.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: foxbat on January 29, 2022, 03:12:01 pm
yeessss    :scarf:
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: rich1471 on January 29, 2022, 03:13:32 pm
Sat at home with ifollow on ,come on rivers

The inevitable result of streaming? :lol:
come on rovers, good early goal
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: phil old leake on January 29, 2022, 03:19:58 pm
Are they on top
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: rich1471 on January 29, 2022, 03:21:02 pm
Should be 2 up ,need to make the chances count
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: rover-n-out on January 29, 2022, 03:23:24 pm
Blimey, Gills 0-3 down to Oxford after 19mins. Need to make this game count. COYR!!!
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: rich1471 on January 29, 2022, 03:23:55 pm
Are they on top
they have had some good play but rovers are pressing and attacking well
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Batleyred on January 29, 2022, 03:24:48 pm
1-1
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: rich1471 on January 29, 2022, 03:27:27 pm
Poor defending to let him get that cross in
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Barmby Rover on January 29, 2022, 03:28:16 pm
Rovers still have a good chance in this game, their pressure is being made to count.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Batleyred on January 29, 2022, 03:29:16 pm
Whose co commentator on ifollow ?
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Barmby Rover on January 29, 2022, 03:32:20 pm
Tom
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: DRFCSouth on January 29, 2022, 03:32:54 pm
Whose co commentator on ifollow ?
I did wonder. Sending me to sleep.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Batleyred on January 29, 2022, 03:33:48 pm
Tom

Thank you
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Copps is Magic on January 29, 2022, 03:43:42 pm
Ennis caused us alot of trouble.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: ravenrover on January 29, 2022, 03:45:38 pm
How is the young lad up front playing?
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Copps is Magic on January 29, 2022, 03:46:24 pm
How is the young lad up front playing?

Had three great chances. Blasted all three over the bar. A bit of rustinees but making good runs and getting in good positions.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Barmby Rover on January 29, 2022, 03:47:00 pm
That Lancashire accent is distinctive, not doing too bad. I am struggling to work out who "Smudge " is that he keeps referring to.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Copps is Magic on January 29, 2022, 03:47:38 pm
That Lancashire accent is distinctive, not doing too bad. I am struggling to work out who "Smudge " is that he keeps referring to.

Smith
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Batleyred on January 29, 2022, 03:48:08 pm
That Lancashire accent is distinctive, not doing too bad. I am struggling to work out who "Smudge " is that he keeps referring to.

Smith
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Dutch Uncle on January 29, 2022, 03:51:02 pm
Did we play with or against the wind in the first half?
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Copps is Magic on January 29, 2022, 03:51:06 pm
Entertaining half.

We've had about 10 chances we could have scored. No exageratinon.

Stop Ennis you stop Plymouth.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Batleyred on January 29, 2022, 03:51:16 pm
Wow what an end to that half  :rtid:
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Copps is Magic on January 29, 2022, 03:51:53 pm
Did we play with or against the wind in the first half?

Against, the ball nearly blew into our goal from two corners.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: monkeytennis on January 29, 2022, 03:53:10 pm
Yep really entertaining first half and rovers are actually managing to put together attacking runs  that look threatening. Plymouth are there for the taking if we stay focused
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: rich1471 on January 29, 2022, 03:53:27 pm
How did that not go in , second half the corners need swinging in with that wind
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Bollinger on January 29, 2022, 03:53:47 pm
Entertaining half.

We've had about 10 chances we could have scored. No exageratinon.

Stop Ennis you stop Plymouth.

Our shot count is so different to just a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: PDX_Rover on January 29, 2022, 03:55:13 pm
Really good half. Could be 6-3 to us. Was Rowe’s disallowed goal offside? Looked like the ball came off their lad. Houghton has one pass, diagonal to Grant. Agree: stop Ennis, you stop them.

Fantastic game to watch.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: IDM on January 29, 2022, 03:58:47 pm
Competing well and creating real chances, which is what I want to see.. conversion needs to be better but the potential to win games is there to be seen..

This could be a game with one of our best performances of the season but where we could lose.  Shame we had such a shite first half to the season as this is nowhere near bottom of the league fare.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: monkeytennis on January 29, 2022, 04:01:41 pm
This looks like a team that wants to play football together and where everyone knows what their job is. Lots of movement and pace. Other than a lull in the middle just after they scored it’s been terrific to watch.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: rover-n-out on January 29, 2022, 04:09:11 pm
Any changes at half time?
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Dutch Uncle on January 29, 2022, 04:10:49 pm
Any changes at half time?

Danny Mayor on for them  :ohmy:
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: rover-n-out on January 29, 2022, 04:11:23 pm
Pontus on the receiving end of a hiding at Gills 0-4 now!!
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: rover-n-out on January 29, 2022, 04:11:58 pm
Thanks Dutch!
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Copps is Magic on January 29, 2022, 04:13:15 pm
Pontus on the receiving end of a hiding at Gills 0-4 now!!

Asking Pontus to catch a ball in windy conditions is like asking Johnson to refrain from a lockdown party.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: rover-n-out on January 29, 2022, 04:15:36 pm
Ha-ha! Nice one Copps.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Colemans Left Hook on January 29, 2022, 04:18:55 pm
Rotherham are not that impressive at Crewe -- defence vulnerable to breakaways-- 

Crewe have watered an already wet ground ( just like Brian Clough used to do only he got the fire brigade to do it at the Baseball Ground) .

Rotherham still haven't been behind all season in the first half - so looking forward to putting that right on Tuesday.

Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Dutch Uncle on January 29, 2022, 04:19:08 pm
Pontus on the receiving end of a hiding at Gills 0-4 now!!

Asking Pontus to catch a ball in windy conditions is like asking Johnson to refrain from a lockdown party.

To be fair to him, 3 have been penalties  :lol:
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: ian1980 on January 29, 2022, 04:20:10 pm
Pontus on the receiving end of a hiding at Gills 0-4 now!!

0-5 now

And Bolton are battering Sunderland 4-0
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Copps is Magic on January 29, 2022, 04:22:15 pm
Must be time to put Agard on here.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: DRNaith on January 29, 2022, 04:23:29 pm
1-2
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Copps is Magic on January 29, 2022, 04:23:37 pm
Jones has to save that for me.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Colemans Left Hook on January 29, 2022, 04:25:12 pm
they seemed to put at least 30 passes together for that goal - is that true ?
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: rich1471 on January 29, 2022, 04:25:47 pm
Jones should have got that ,poor goal to give away
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Dutch Uncle on January 29, 2022, 04:26:42 pm
And just as the other results are starting to go our way

COYR  :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Barmby Rover on January 29, 2022, 04:29:17 pm
Two chances in this half now, come on Rovers!
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: rich1471 on January 29, 2022, 04:30:11 pm
 :pinch:We are losing the midfield battle ,Clayton to come would be good
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: The Beast on January 29, 2022, 04:33:19 pm
Jones has to save that for me.
Don’t you find that we’re conceding a high percentage of the actual shots on target, or is it just me.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Copps is Magic on January 29, 2022, 04:39:25 pm
Game over. Spirited performance. Alot to build on for next season .
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: ScillyRover on January 29, 2022, 04:39:32 pm
We just cannot defend and really need to pop some of our many chances in.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Barmby Rover on January 29, 2022, 04:39:37 pm
End of game
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: foxbat on January 29, 2022, 04:39:54 pm
sh1t .
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Colemans Left Hook on January 29, 2022, 04:40:37 pm
End of game
no
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Ldr on January 29, 2022, 04:40:58 pm
Jones has to save that for me.
Don’t you find that we’re conceding a high percentage of the actual shots on target, or is it just me.

He doesnt have a long career ahead of him
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: rich1471 on January 29, 2022, 04:41:37 pm
That was coming the midfield has been over run in the second half
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: ScillyRover on January 29, 2022, 04:43:48 pm
We’ve given them far too much room on the flanks. Need to get more tackles in around midfield to stop the ball getting out there. Cue Clayton?
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: PDX_Rover on January 29, 2022, 04:44:35 pm
Yes, lost midfield second half. I’m not discouraged though. Argyle are a good team, and our performance has again been much improved.

Jones really should have saved their second. Third was a good finish. Think GMC made the correct subs.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Copps is Magic on January 29, 2022, 04:46:56 pm
Ignore the score line.

This is miles apart from the Rovers at the beginning of the season. We literally couldn't even create a chance on goal then. We've had a dozen chances to score here. Its impossible to expect the 5/6 new signings have that clinicalness and organisation Plymouth have here.

But it will come through time.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: PDX_Rover on January 29, 2022, 04:48:25 pm
Are we allowed to make 4 subs?
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: PDX_Rover on January 29, 2022, 04:49:54 pm
Ignore the score line.

This is miles apart from the Rovers at the beginning of the season. We literally couldn't even create a chance on goal then. We've had a dozen chances to score here. Its impossible to expect the 5/6 new signings have that clinicalness and organisation Plymouth have here.

But it will come through time.

Spot on. Loving GMc’s approach and philosophy. Performances are light years from what they were earlier in the season.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: rich1471 on January 29, 2022, 04:51:00 pm
Are we allowed to make 4 subs?
just thinking that myself ,only if one came off with concussion you can make another sub I believe
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: DonnyOsmond on January 29, 2022, 04:52:32 pm
Poor finishing and poor goalkeeping cost us today. We did well otherwise.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Copps is Magic on January 29, 2022, 04:54:52 pm
Poor finishing and poor goalkeeping cost us today. We did well otherwise.

Margins.

We've been beaten by a top 7 team on margins.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: ScillyRover on January 29, 2022, 04:56:29 pm
Disappointing result considering the effort and marked improvement. Just need to make sure we put  those chances to bed.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: PDX_Rover on January 29, 2022, 05:00:51 pm
Well, a lot to take positively from that. Plymouth were clinical when they needed to be. They play the channels really well and have quality all over.

Our entire ethos is evolving and I like what I’m seeing.

I’d love to hear from somebody at the game if Rowe’s goal should have been allowed. I thought the ref missed a lot of pushes and sneaky fouls.

It was a great game to watch, regardless of the result. Losing is less painful knowing we’ve put in a performance and the lads really tried.

Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Colemans Left Hook on January 29, 2022, 05:02:27 pm
time for some of you to get real "nobody relevant" won today

fact is we lost one point to all of them .

and allegedly you get 3 points for a win -- we are going to play better than today with a stronger side for the next 18 or so games

bring on rovrum please
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: PDX_Rover on January 29, 2022, 05:03:49 pm
A word for Odubeko. To say he only came in two days ago really, got into great positions. Chased and harried well too. Ran out of steam but he has goals in him once he regains that sharpness.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on January 29, 2022, 05:04:09 pm
In summary, we are doing everything fine apart from the two hardest things. Scoring and not conceding.

We are more competitive for sure but that second half was sobering. We were comfortably outplayed. It shows how far we have slipped when a comfortable home defeat against a side who won't make the play-offs is seen as a flicker of hope.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: DonnyOsmond on January 29, 2022, 05:07:31 pm
We can't be giving teams chances like we did for the second and third goal. Jones should have done miles better with the first two.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: colincramb on January 29, 2022, 05:09:58 pm
Just didn’t take our chances and allowed them far too much time on the ball. They were decent, but that’s all. Rowe’s goal should have stood from where I was sat
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: DonnyOsmond on January 29, 2022, 05:11:14 pm
Dahlberg conceded 7 today.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: dickos1 on January 29, 2022, 05:11:33 pm
Billy
It’s a bit weird to suggest a side one place outside the playoffs won’t make it.
Second half we may have been outplayed but the first half we could’ve been 4 up.
Plenty to be encouraged about, let’s not shoe horn in a load of negativity.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: DonnyOsmond on January 29, 2022, 05:14:15 pm
Billy
It’s a bit weird to suggest a side one place outside the playoffs won’t make it.
Second half we may have been outplayed but the first half we could’ve been 4 up.
Plenty to be encouraged about, let’s not shoe horn in a load of negativity.


They are over performing their xG by a fair bit, so they have a decent chance of dropping as the season goes on.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: JonWallsend on January 29, 2022, 05:17:59 pm
In summary, we are doing everything fine apart from the two hardest things. Scoring and not conceding.

We are more competitive for sure but that second half was sobering. We were comfortably outplayed. It shows how far we have slipped when a comfortable home defeat against a side who won't make the play-offs is seen as a flicker of hope.
Last half hour we were outplayed. First half and first 20 of second half we were better side. They went 2-1 up and the wheels fell off. I am still encouraged by what I saw.
Rowe was offside. I was in line.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Copps is Magic on January 29, 2022, 05:24:28 pm
In summary, we are doing everything fine apart from the two hardest things. Scoring and not conceding.

We are more competitive for sure but that second half was sobering. We were comfortably outplayed. It shows how far we have slipped when a comfortable home defeat against a side who won't make the play-offs is seen as a flicker of hope.

That was not a comfortable afternoon for the Plymouth defense. According to the BBC stats it was 17 shots for rovers. According to my recollection it was close to a dozen decent chances for rovers. How is that comfortable? How is that comparable to earlier in the season when we couldn't create a chance?
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: normal rules on January 29, 2022, 05:25:44 pm
Another weekend where other results have gone in our favour.
Yet our own result hasn’t. Such a shame.
Get this group playing as a cohesive team and we won’t have any issues next season, irrespective of which league we end up in.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: glosterred on January 29, 2022, 05:32:20 pm
Same old story, strikers not taking their chances and the defenders not doing their job. But saying that it was a much better performance but sadly the same result.

Onwards and upwards on to Tuesday and Rotherscum


COYR
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on January 29, 2022, 05:34:56 pm
In summary, we are doing everything fine apart from the two hardest things. Scoring and not conceding.

We are more competitive for sure but that second half was sobering. We were comfortably outplayed. It shows how far we have slipped when a comfortable home defeat against a side who won't make the play-offs is seen as a flicker of hope.

That was not a comfortable afternoon for the Plymouth defense. According to the BBC stats it was 17 shots for rovers. According to my recollection it was close to a dozen decent chances for rovers. How is that comfortable? How is that comparable to earlier in the season when we couldn't create a chance?

I know the figures. I've seen the game.

And at the end of all that, we've put one away and they've put three away.

Just like at Cambridge

Because our fundamental problems are that we have no clinical finishers and we cannot defend consistently.

That's why we are going down.

The improved competitiveness is cheering, but it's a sign of how big a hole Wellens left us in that even competing is seen as a new dawn.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: PDX_Rover on January 29, 2022, 05:35:11 pm
Remember: GMc said fitness was a priority as the players weren’t fit enough under Wellens. That is another factor that will improve.
Thankfully results elsewhere were pretty good for us.

Billy, I’m not going to criticise after that effort. Remember how far we had fallen, where we just didn’t compete on any level at all and simply rolled over. You yourself compared it to 97/98.

The January additions have been good. I still think we can do this.



Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on January 29, 2022, 05:36:15 pm
Billy
It’s a bit weird to suggest a side one place outside the playoffs won’t make it.
Second half we may have been outplayed but the first half we could’ve been 4 up.
Plenty to be encouraged about, let’s not shoe horn in a load of negativity.


If Plymouth make the playoffs, I'll give 100 quid to the charity of your choice.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on January 29, 2022, 05:38:53 pm
PDX.
I'm not criticising. I'm being brutally honest.

Yes we have improved in our competitiveness, but we are still miles off the standard required in either penalty area, and we still run out of energy after 60 mins.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: phil old leake on January 29, 2022, 05:48:47 pm
What was the point of playing Clayton for about 5 minutes. Surely at 3-1 down he could have come on
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on January 29, 2022, 05:49:35 pm
We were good first 60 minutes.  Frustrating really that we couldn't get some goals to back it up.

But, if we keep improving, keep performing and it will come.  We aren't far away.

Martin and the striker up front impressed me, the left back as sub found it a bit tough but we were chasing the game by then and lost it.

The weak link for me was Galbraith. He has been poor for a while now and I'd say Rowe and Smith ahead of him at the moment.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: Lesonthewest on January 29, 2022, 06:49:14 pm
In summary, we are doing everything fine apart from the two hardest things. Scoring and not conceding.

We are more competitive for sure but that second half was sobering. We were comfortably outplayed. It shows how far we have slipped when a comfortable home defeat against a side who won't make the play-offs is seen as a flicker of hope.

PDX.
I'm not criticising. I'm being brutally honest.

Yes we have improved in our competitiveness, but we are still miles off the standard required in either penalty area, and we still run out of energy after 60 mins.

Totally agree, on 70 minutes you would have thought it was us that had played midweek, they looked far fitter. There are green shoots & it's good to see us creating chances again, & I enjoyed watching us play with some impetus & purpose. But for now, as Billy says, we are miles off competing the standard required at this level. Hopefully it will come as the new lads bed in.
Title: Re: TLOD v Plymuff
Post by: drfchound on January 29, 2022, 07:42:40 pm
How is the young lad up front playing?

Had three great chances. Blasted all three over the bar. A bit of rustinees but making good runs and getting in good positions.

That’s not true (if we are talking about Odebeko).
He forced a fantastic tip over save by the keeper when he hit his shot after a great run and pull back by Dodoo.