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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Upton Rover on August 06, 2022, 04:58:27 pm
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Always stay till the end, smash n grab all 3 points !!! great
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Never understood why you'd voluntarily leave early when there's only a goal in it.
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I've never left a game early. We totally stole it at the end. Never known us have such a lucky start to league tbf. Should have lost against Bradford and Sutton really. Will take the 3 pts like
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Papering over cracks. Stupidity to think otherwise.
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We were awful today. Never looked like getting a point. Unreal to pinch all 3!
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Hopefully treading water until we get our creative and attacking players back fit.
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How on earth did we win that!
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Papering over cracks. Stupidity to think otherwise.
We were shocking in the first half. Should have been 3-4 down.
But we improved as the second half went on. And Agard made a big difference. Lots of very intelligent runs into the channels.
Sutton were what I expected from this division. Very hard working. Very organised. Players well drilled. But by 60-65 mins, we were on top and starting to dominate. I've seen enough this last two weeks to think there is a bit of spine and a bit of remorselessness in our side. That could be enough to make us contenders.
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Hopefully treading water until we get our creative and attacking players back fit.
We were treading water all last season - that's what got us relegated! Luck will only see us through so far. Don't see us getting relegated. But we certainly ain't getting out of League 2 this season
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Put it another way. If those two goals had come in the 68th and 70th minutes and we'd created nothing else, we'd be saying that we played well in the second half after a shocker in the first 45.
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Papering over cracks. Stupidity to think otherwise.
We were shocking in the first half. Should have been 3-4 down.
But we improved as the second half went on. And Agard made a big difference. Lots of very intelligent runs into the channels.
Sutton were what I expected from this division. Very hard working. Very organised. Players well drilled. But by 60-65 mins, we were on top and starting to dominate. I've seen enough this last two weeks to think there is a bit of spine and a bit of remorselessness in our side. That could be enough to make us contenders.
I agree with some of that but.... to not create a single chance for 92 minutes makes me think otherwise. And that is totally down to the manager. There is talent in the group but we are clueless
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That mad 2 minutes will give the team a lot of confidence going into the next game
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Papering over cracks. Stupidity to think otherwise.
We were shocking in the first half. Should have been 3-4 down.
But we improved as the second half went on. And Agard made a big difference. Lots of very intelligent runs into the channels.
Sutton were what I expected from this division. Very hard working. Very organised. Players well drilled. But by 60-65 mins, we were on top and starting to dominate. I've seen enough this last two weeks to think there is a bit of spine and a bit of remorselessness in our side. That could be enough to make us contenders.
I agree with some of that but.... to not create a single chance for 92 minutes makes me think otherwise. And that is totally down to the manager. There is talent in the group but we are clueless
Rowe had a 20 yard shot well saved in the first half. He had a 1-on-1 shot saved in the first minute of the second half.
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Papering over cracks. Stupidity to think otherwise.
We were shocking in the first half. Should have been 3-4 down.
But we improved as the second half went on. And Agard made a big difference. Lots of very intelligent runs into the channels.
Sutton were what I expected from this division. Very hard working. Very organised. Players well drilled. But by 60-65 mins, we were on top and starting to dominate. I've seen enough this last two weeks to think there is a bit of spine and a bit of remorselessness in our side. That could be enough to make us contenders.
I agree with some of that but.... to not create a single chance for 92 minutes makes me think otherwise. And that is totally down to the manager. There is talent in the group but we are clueless
BBC stats say 12 attempts and 4 on target.
Did they all come after 92 minutes.?
OK I wasn’t there and can accept we are not yet near our best, but if you are going to be negative at least get your f**king facts right..
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Absolutely pinched 3 points today. No idea first half and the decision making in defence was criminal. Olowu had a shocking first 45 mins but they came out 2nd half with a bit more pace and bite.
I thought Sutton controlled the game for the best part of 75 mins, but fair play to GM for 2 very positive subs - Agard and Kuleya - and it changed things around.
We need more quality of that there’s no doubt, but if we can keep the points ticking over, who knows!
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It wasn’t pretty but wow that was some ending. Sutton looked decent, I think they will be up there at the end of season.
You have to give the lads credit for not giving up.
Would love to know how the guy who sat behind me in the south stand moaning all game feels after leaving a minute before the equaliser.
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What was the decision making in defence like last weekend Alan.?
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The fact is: we won. Doesn’t matter when the goals came. We had a depleted side. They were well drilled, physical and actually I thought a decent side. You make your own luck in the game.
Two games. Zero defeats. 4 points. And we have fight and tenacity.
That’ll do me.
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Don't blame anybody for leaving early today, just glad I didn't,
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To me, the match changed when Agard was introduced with Kuleya and we started to play it on the deck rather than just lumping it at Andrews.
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We didn't play well really and Sutton put a good effort in. We will be much better than that in other weeks there's a good few positives.
However, that is what football is about and much needed for the club really. Nobody will remember the first 90 minutes but I doubt after the last few years and months any of us will forget the end. Great to see the place going crazy.
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Papering over cracks. Stupidity to think otherwise.
We were shocking in the first half. Should have been 3-4 down.
But we improved as the second half went on. And Agard made a big difference. Lots of very intelligent runs into the channels.
Sutton were what I expected from this division. Very hard working. Very organised. Players well drilled. But by 60-65 mins, we were on top and starting to dominate. I've seen enough this last two weeks to think there is a bit of spine and a bit of remorselessness in our side. That could be enough to make us contenders.
I agree with some of that but.... to not create a single chance for 92 minutes makes me think otherwise. And that is totally down to the manager. There is talent in the group but we are clueless
Rowe had a 20 yard shot well saved in the first half. He had a 1-on-1 shot saved in the first minute of the second half.
a 20 yard shot is not a chance
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We are going to have to forgive the performances in the first few weeks. There are a stack of players out injured or unavailable and that we have 4 points in spite of this and the backbone last week and today, gives us a good base. Until we have the injured lads back we are scratching around trying to put a coherent side together.
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I didn’t go last week and I’m referring to today’s game - so what did you think, IDM?
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To all those that did leave early not only did you miss 2 goals you missed GMS legging it down the touch line celebrating Agaards goal as if he was Mourinho!
COYR
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The lads will gain confidence from this. I had to laugh when young Bobby Faulkener knocked their player over. He doesn't look to have any fear in him.
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What a day. Best moment in a home game for several years… and I find myself agreeing with every post from BST on this thread.
Credit has to be given where it’s due. We recovered from a shocking first half, made positive changes from the bench and showed the spirit ti grind out an excellent three points. Can Sutton feel hard done by? Of course. But for anyone to suggest we created nothing for 92 minutes is quite simply untrue.
We need to improve, I’m confident that we will improve, we need to get several important players back fit but 4 points is an excellent start. Proud of the team today.
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Papering over cracks. Stupidity to think otherwise.
We were shocking in the first half. Should have been 3-4 down.
But we improved as the second half went on. And Agard made a big difference. Lots of very intelligent runs into the channels.
Sutton were what I expected from this division. Very hard working. Very organised. Players well drilled. But by 60-65 mins, we were on top and starting to dominate. I've seen enough this last two weeks to think there is a bit of spine and a bit of remorselessness in our side. That could be enough to make us contenders.
I agree with some of that but.... to not create a single chance for 92 minutes makes me think otherwise. And that is totally down to the manager. There is talent in the group but we are clueless
Rowe had a 20 yard shot well saved in the first half. He had a 1-on-1 shot saved in the first minute of the second half.
a 20 yard shot is not a chance
What is a chance then? Does a one on one meet your threshold?
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That mad 2 minutes will give the team a lot of confidence going into the next game
[/quote ] IF approach every game with such incompetent lack lustre and naivety ., we should win this league by a country mile . No way did Sutton feel at any time threatened or under pressure to change their tactics . With luck like our it’s going to be a cake walk !!
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To all those that did leave early not only did you miss 2 goals you missed GMS legging it down the touch line celebrating Agaards goal as if he was Mourinho!
COYR
It was a considerably better run than several of our forwards managed last season.
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To all those that did leave early not only did you miss 2 goals you missed GMS legging it down the touch line celebrating Agaards goal as if he was Mourinho!
COYR
It was a considerably better run than several of our forwards managed last season.
And quicker
COYR
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Clayton's long passes into the box were the preliminaries to both goals.
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Papering over cracks. Stupidity to think otherwise.
We were shocking in the first half. Should have been 3-4 down.
But we improved as the second half went on. And Agard made a big difference. Lots of very intelligent runs into the channels.
Sutton were what I expected from this division. Very hard working. Very organised. Players well drilled. But by 60-65 mins, we were on top and starting to dominate. I've seen enough this last two weeks to think there is a bit of spine and a bit of remorselessness in our side. That could be enough to make us contenders.
I agree with some of that but.... to not create a single chance for 92 minutes makes me think otherwise. And that is totally down to the manager. There is talent in the group but we are clueless
BBC stats say 12 attempts and 4 on target.
Did they all come after 92 minutes.?
OK I wasn’t there and can accept we are not yet near our best, but if you are going to be negative at least get your f**king facts right..
We created next to nothing all afternoon, it was absolutely dire & as bad as last season, there were warning signs in the first half at Bradford, & then today for 91 minutes. The players don't look as if they know what they have to do, I would love to see us in training. Aimless balls forward, shocking to watch. We play like we hope something will happen. Take the 3 points yes, but I have serious doubts after that awful, sometimes unacceptable play.
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Hopefully treading water until we get our creative and attacking players back fit.
We were treading water all last season - that's what got us relegated! Luck will only see us through so far. Don't see us getting relegated. But we certainly ain't getting out of League 2 this season
Based on 2 games. Ridiculous imo.
We will see won’t we.
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Papering over cracks. Stupidity to think otherwise.
We were shocking in the first half. Should have been 3-4 down.
But we improved as the second half went on. And Agard made a big difference. Lots of very intelligent runs into the channels.
Sutton were what I expected from this division. Very hard working. Very organised. Players well drilled. But by 60-65 mins, we were on top and starting to dominate. I've seen enough this last two weeks to think there is a bit of spine and a bit of remorselessness in our side. That could be enough to make us contenders.
If the Rowe piledriver doesn't count what about his 2nd half chance (after 30 seconds or so )
Side foot it in 1 1 and maybe a different game
Got to say we were poor and it reminded me when Brentford came and steam rollered us but we robbed them as well and remember their players lying all over pitch at the end unable to believe they hadn't won
I agree with some of that but.... to not create a single chance for 92 minutes makes me think otherwise. And that is totally down to the manager. There is talent in the group but we are clueless
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Hopefully treading water until we get our creative and attacking players back fit.
We were treading water all last season - that's what got us relegated! Luck will only see us through so far. Don't see us getting relegated. But we certainly ain't getting out of League 2 this season
Based on 2 games. Ridiculous imo.
We will see won’t we.
did you see our 2 goals???
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I didn’t go last week and I’m referring to today’s game - so what did you think, IDM?
I’m referring to the stats and the clean sheet playing with 10 men for 45 minutes - the deduction being our defence must have been organised and solid. I can accept your views that we weren’t the same for much of todays game - but the Bradford performance shows we can defend effectively. Do you agree?
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Let’s be honest, that was a pretty shocking performance for the vast majority of the game. Somehow we got out of jail at the end which didn’t really look like coming in the previous 90mins. I can see why people left, it was dire up to that point.
In terms of positives, its 3 points and that’s ultimately all that matters. Clayton had a much better second half. Maxwell looked good. Mitchell made some good saves to keep us in it, when arguably we could have been 3 down at halftime.
Much improvement needed, but will reserve judgment until we have a full compliment of players back.
Worryingly we looked very, very shaky at the back, especially vulnerable from set pieces and crossers into our box. Much like last season. It’s a worry this hasn’t been addressed as we will face far more of this from other teams in this league.
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Zero chance we'd have got those two goals last season. What a result. Some proper fight shown. Those 5 minutes are why we love football!
Ignore all the rubbish about not creating chances - we scored 2 goals and have the three points!
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Zero chance we'd have got those two goals last season. What a result. Some proper fight shown. Those 5 minutes are why we love football!
Ignore all the rubbish about not creating chances - we scored 2 goals and have the three points!
We are the team who Lour teams into thinking it’s in the bag .. and then we spring the trap . !!!!
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I’m with you ditch, as a club and group of players we needed to be able to defend when under the cosh, last week and to have the ability to come from behind and to continue to fight until the final whistle, today. Yes it wasn’t pretty but we have most of our creative players missing so I’m happy to keep picking up points this way until we get those players back.
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Papering over cracks. Stupidity to think otherwise.
We were shocking in the first half. Should have been 3-4 down.
But we improved as the second half went on. And Agard made a big difference. Lots of very intelligent runs into the channels.
Sutton were what I expected from this division. Very hard working. Very organised. Players well drilled. But by 60-65 mins, we were on top and starting to dominate. I've seen enough this last two weeks to think there is a bit of spine and a bit of remorselessness in our side. That could be enough to make us contenders.
I agree with some of that but.... to not create a single chance for 92 minutes makes me think otherwise. And that is totally down to the manager. There is talent in the group but we are clueless
BBC stats say 12 attempts and 4 on target.
Did they all come after 92 minutes.?
OK I wasn’t there and can accept we are not yet near our best, but if you are going to be negative at least get your f**king facts right..
We created next to nothing all afternoon, it was absolutely dire & as bad as last season, there were warning signs in the first half at Bradford, & then today for 91 minutes. The players don't look as if they know what they have to do, I would love to see us in training. Aimless balls forward, shocking to watch. We play like we hope something will happen. Take the 3 points yes, but I have serious doubts after that awful, sometimes unacceptable play.
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Zero chance we'd have got those two goals last season. What a result. Some proper fight shown. Those 5 minutes are why we love football!
Ignore all the rubbish about not creating chances - we scored 2 goals and have the three points!
Not only would we of not scored those 2 goals last season, we’d of conceded 4+ as well.
I’m still not convinced we’re any good, but 4 points when IMO should have 0 is a positive to build on.
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Hopefully treading water until we get our creative and attacking players back fit.
We were treading water all last season - that's what got us relegated! Luck will only see us through so far. Don't see us getting relegated. But we certainly ain't getting out of League 2 this season
Based on 2 games. Ridiculous imo.
We will see won’t we.
did you see our 2 goals???
Yes of course I did.
What’s the point your making?
Daniel Smith said we aren’t getting promoted this season. I said based on 2 games that’s ridiculous.
If we can pick up 4 points from 2 games not playing at our best and below full strength I would suggest that augers well for the season. We kept going right to the end last week and dug out a point. We did the same this week and kept attacking right to the end and got 3 points as the reward.
Last season that would have been Zero points.
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Papering over cracks. Stupidity to think otherwise.
We were shocking in the first half. Should have been 3-4 down.
But we improved as the second half went on. And Agard made a big difference. Lots of very intelligent runs into the channels.
Sutton were what I expected from this division. Very hard working. Very organised. Players well drilled. But by 60-65 mins, we were on top and starting to dominate. I've seen enough this last two weeks to think there is a bit of spine and a bit of remorselessness in our side. That could be enough to make us contenders.
I agree with some of that but.... to not create a single chance for 92 minutes makes me think otherwise. And that is totally down to the manager. There is talent in the group but we are clueless
Rowe had a 20 yard shot well saved in the first half. He had a 1-on-1 shot saved in the first minute of the second half.
a 20 yard shot is not a chance
In all my years using this forum that last statement has to be one of the most baseless, crass, inane and least thought out posts I’ve ever read..
What a load of b*llocks.!
A 20 yard shot is not a chance.? And you have “Stock” in your user name.??
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Was hoping we’d play with a plan and some control to get over last season and the worries I had over GM’s management. Unfortunately this game hasn’t done anything to dispel that.
Play well midweek (forget results) and next Saturday and this will be a great last ditch win. Play poorly and this will be papering over cracks for sure.
Andrews wasn’t very good and I expected better from Clayton who only grew into the game when they gave him 50 yards. Before that he was well off it
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Always better to beat a team that doesn't want to play football
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Papering over cracks. Stupidity to think otherwise.
We were shocking in the first half. Should have been 3-4 down.
But we improved as the second half went on. And Agard made a big difference. Lots of very intelligent runs into the channels.
Sutton were what I expected from this division. Very hard working. Very organised. Players well drilled. But by 60-65 mins, we were on top and starting to dominate. I've seen enough this last two weeks to think there is a bit of spine and a bit of remorselessness in our side. That could be enough to make us contenders.
I agree with some of that but.... to not create a single chance for 92 minutes makes me think otherwise. And that is totally down to the manager. There is talent in the group but we are clueless
Rowe clean through one on one?
That not a chance
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Some rubbish spouted on this thead - we were poor, that cannot be disputed, but we did create chances, Rowe could of had a hatrick, should have scored twice, once in the second when he blazed it over the bar, the second in the second half opening minutes.
We created chances in the second, but the forwards were not quick enough.
And that last point is key - not quick enough, they all looked leggy, a second behind. I lost count how many times they should have released a pass, only to dwindle and have it pinched - Rowe & Clayton were the bigger culprits. Movement was also poor from all.
They targeted maxwell, and put high balls to him all first half and won most of them.
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All the same folk on here moaning would be the same ones moaning if we’d played them off the park and lost.
It’s a great win and a very good start to the season
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Putting the performance and the result to one side, I can’t remember the last time I left the stadium buzzing like I did today.
More of that feeling, please.
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Putting the performance and the result to one side, I can’t remember the last time I left the stadium buzzing like I did today.
More of that feeling, please.
This is true. I know we were very poor but left the stadium buzzing for the next game
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Not sure about it being a shocking performance but definitely a shock to the system.
Credit to Sutton who didn't care how many fouls they gave away, they were on us like a rash and we didn't respond with the brains to counter it.
Clayton was on his own in midfield with Biggins mainly a passenger. Rowe wasn't as involved as we would like so we were over exposed in midfield. Our full backs couldn't get out so we relied too much in the long balls.
Ironically, towards the death, Ro Shaun Williams moved into midfield and managed to provide some link from back to front. With Agard and Kuleya added into the mix we got behind them more often by being a bit braver on the ball.
At the end of the day, we probably learnt alot more today AND managed to get 3 points. Great way to win a game that.
Far too early to be hammering any of the players or the manager.
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All the same folk on here moaning would be the same ones moaning if we’d played them off the park and lost.
It’s a great win and a very good start to the season
There will never ever be pleasing some people. As you say if we had played them off the park and lost what would the reaction have been.
On another day Tommy Rowe could have had a hat trick as someone said. If we created no chances in the 1st half then I was watching a different game.
Yes we were second best 1st half agreed but we did create some chances.
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Not sure about it being a shocking performance but definitely a shock to the system.
Credit to Sutton who didn't care how many fouls they gave away, they were on us like a rash and we didn't respond with the brains to counter it.
Clayton was on his own in midfield with Biggins mainly a passenger. Rowe wasn't as involved as we would like so we were over exposed in midfield. Our full backs couldn't get out so we relied too much in the long balls.
Ironically, towards the death, Ro Shaun Williams moved into midfield and managed to provide some link from back to front. With Agard and Kuleya added into the mix we got behind them more often by being a bit braver on the ball.
At the end of the day, we probably learnt alot more today AND managed to get 3 points. Great way to win a game that.
Far too early to be hammering any of the players or the manager.
Couldn’t have put it better DBR. Agreed Biggins was not at his best.
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I thought we were on top at the start and looked the better side until it all went wrong and they scored. After that it looked like last season all over again. But, that is 2 games on the trot where the.word epic springs to mind. Last season's tide has turned imho
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And when was the last time we came from behind to win a match? 2020?
Clayton and Rowe aside, this is largely a very young team finding its way. They'll need time to gel. Hopefully, the result today will give them a real confidence boost and make them realise that they can compete at this level.
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I think we can all agree it wasn't a good watch and hopefully it will get better, but for those who think we have not got a clue, we have just taken four points from the first two games of the first seven games all on here agreed were the hardest set of fixtures we could have to start the season, one person predicting we would do well to get four points from all seven games.
Well someone on the management knows what they are doing, that's eleven yes 11 games without defeat on the trot. So who is the font of all knowledge then? and what's more we look to have lady luck on our side, a team who don't know when they are beaten, a team who find a way to get a result and the winning manager in the managers sprint down the line, What's not to like?
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We were the best team for fifteen minutes and looked like we might go in front.
After the opening goal though, Sutton grew in confidence and without a couple of good saves from Mitchell and some very good defensive blocks the game could have been over by half time.
The goal came from Suttons first attack.
I thought we were much improved in the second half and always felt that we would score and that we deserved a point.
After we equalised I said to the lads, “can we get another Crewe moment” and sure enough, we did just that.
I loved the way Faulkner clattered their player leading to a goal, he really meant that challenge.
Good finish by Miller for the equaliser and good that he was involved in setting up the winner.
The feel good factor over the last few minutes and on the way back to the car was something I haven’t felt for over a year at a Rovers game.
Yes, we robbed Sutton overall but we did deserve at least a point today.
Great that the goals came in some of the time added on for Suttons time wasting.
I was impressed by Maxwell and Hurst, having seen them today for the first time.
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Sutton had probably the second half of the first half where they were massively on top. Although we were poor I'd say we were the team on top without doing much.
Maxwell already looks like he will be our best signing IMO. Largely excellent on the ball and good without it.
Andrews and Biggins were really poor today I thought.
Thought Kuleya and Agard did well when they came on.
Andrews I thought was poor but I actually think he will contribute this season almost as a nuisance factor. Looked a bit soft today for a big lad.
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Different league, different season but we are now on 4 points after 2 games. It took us 7 games last season to get to the same number of points.
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Papering over cracks. Stupidity to think otherwise.
We were shocking in the first half. Should have been 3-4 down.
But we improved as the second half went on. And Agard made a big difference. Lots of very intelligent runs into the channels.
Sutton were what I expected from this division. Very hard working. Very organised. Players well drilled. But by 60-65 mins, we were on top and starting to dominate. I've seen enough this last two weeks to think there is a bit of spine and a bit of remorselessness in our side. That could be enough to make us contenders.
I agree with some of that but.... to not create a single chance for 92 minutes makes me think otherwise. And that is totally down to the manager. There is talent in the group but we are clueless
Rowe had a 20 yard shot well saved in the first half. He had a 1-on-1 shot saved in the first minute of the second half.
a 20 yard shot is not a chance
In all my years using this forum that last statement has to be one of the most baseless, crass, inane and least thought out posts I’ve ever read..
What a load of b*llocks.!
A 20 yard shot is not a chance.? And you have “Stock” in your user name.?Papering over cracks. Stupidity to think otherwise.
We were shocking in the first half. Should have been 3-4 down.
But we improved as the second half went on. And Agard made a big difference. Lots of very intelligent runs into the channels.
Sutton were what I expected from this division. Very hard working. Very organised. Players well drilled. But by 60-65 mins, we were on top and starting to dominate. I've seen enough this last two weeks to think there is a bit of spine and a bit of remorselessness in our side. That could be enough to make us contenders.
I agree with some of that but.... to not create a single chance for 92 minutes makes me think otherwise. And that is totally down to the manager. There is talent in the group but we are clueless
Rowe had a 20 yard shot well saved in the first half. He had a 1-on-1 shot saved in the first minute of the second half.
a 20 yard shot is not a chance
In all my years using this forum that last statement has to be one of the most baseless, crass, inane and least thought out posts I’ve ever read..
What a load of b*llocks.!
A 20 yard shot is not a chance.? And you have “Stock” in your user name.??
How the f#ck can you class a shot from outside the box as a chance you should score from? Are you for real?
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On another note, thought the acoustics from the south sounded great today at times. Sat on west middle and thought it was very good
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I thought we were bullied in the 1st half, they are a big strong side, with plenty of muscle, we will come up against this plenty of times in this division ! But 4 points from our first 2 games !
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What about the chance TR blazed over the bar with only a keeper to beat.? Millers header to the far post? And I would suggest any shooting opportunity is a chance to score, the shot was on.
Nobody will say we played well, but don’t let your disappointment of the display cloud over the facts.
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Papering over cracks. Stupidity to think otherwise.
We were shocking in the first half. Should have been 3-4 down.
But we improved as the second half went on. And Agard made a big difference. Lots of very intelligent runs into the channels.
Sutton were what I expected from this division. Very hard working. Very organised. Players well drilled. But by 60-65 mins, we were on top and starting to dominate. I've seen enough this last two weeks to think there is a bit of spine and a bit of remorselessness in our side. That could be enough to make us contenders.
I agree with some of that but.... to not create a single chance for 92 minutes makes me think otherwise. And that is totally down to the manager. There is talent in the group but we are clueless
Rowe had a 20 yard shot well saved in the first half. He had a 1-on-1 shot saved in the first minute of the second half.
a 20 yard shot is not a chance
In all my years using this forum that last statement has to be one of the most baseless, crass, inane and least thought out posts I’ve ever read..
What a load of b*llocks.!
A 20 yard shot is not a chance.? And you have “Stock” in your user name.?Papering over cracks. Stupidity to think otherwise.
We were shocking in the first half. Should have been 3-4 down.
But we improved as the second half went on. And Agard made a big difference. Lots of very intelligent runs into the channels.
Sutton were what I expected from this division. Very hard working. Very organised. Players well drilled. But by 60-65 mins, we were on top and starting to dominate. I've seen enough this last two weeks to think there is a bit of spine and a bit of remorselessness in our side. That could be enough to make us contenders.
I agree with some of that but.... to not create a single chance for 92 minutes makes me think otherwise. And that is totally down to the manager. There is talent in the group but we are clueless
Rowe had a 20 yard shot well saved in the first half. He had a 1-on-1 shot saved in the first minute of the second half.
a 20 yard shot is not a chance
In all my years using this forum that last statement has to be one of the most baseless, crass, inane and least thought out posts I’ve ever read..
What a load of b*llocks.!
A 20 yard shot is not a chance.? And you have “Stock” in your user name.??
How the f#ck can you class a shot from outside the box as a chance you should score from? Are you for real?
Of course it was a chance, laid off to him at the edge of the box with his left foot it was a great chance as was the volley he skied and the one on one
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Forgot to add this, when we passed and moved, we looked like we would create- it rarely happened, and we looked like we had decided to play a physical team at their own game.
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It's great that Rovers won today, but on Monday there should be some hard talking about defending better, and asking questions of the midfield about how they aim to feed the strikers better, very often there was no outlet for defenders once they had won the ball. The off the ball running has to be worked on.
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On another note, thought the acoustics from the south sounded great today at times. Sat on west middle and thought it was very good
Can definitely see the impact of the cheaper tickets in there, looked good.
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Stocksarmy, to quote John McEnroe, you cannot be serious.
Watch MOTD or the EFL highloghts programme every week and see how many goals are scored from 20 yards, or more.
Some players are free kick specialists too, who often score long range goals.
Brian Stock himself scored quite a few 20 yard plus goals - are you saying none of those weren't chances?
Are you defining a "chance" as a situation you should score from, or could score from? Surely it is "could", therefore getting a decent shot away from 20 yards or more is clearly a chance.
Do you think it is hit and hope?
jesus wept..
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Maxwell is a superb footballer. Hopefully they can muster some tactics to allow him to flourish in an attacking sense.
McSheffrey was tactically outclassed today and we are very very fortunate.
Agard offers more than Andrews at present. Picked up some good positions and was intelligent in his play.
Biggins need to step up as he was invisible at times. Possibly better as a box to box midfielder playing in a midfield 3 to allow for his attacking runs.
That being said, I expect them to finish in the play offs at least. Very good physical team. Far more effective than Mark Hughes’ Bradford and I have no idea who their manager is.
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Maxwell at this early stage looks very good. His interviews are also a credit to an intelligent and switched on young man. So far, a great signing.
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Papering over cracks. Stupidity to think otherwise.
We were shocking in the first half. Should have been 3-4 down.
But we improved as the second half went on. And Agard made a big difference. Lots of very intelligent runs into the channels.
Sutton were what I expected from this division. Very hard working. Very organised. Players well drilled. But by 60-65 mins, we were on top and starting to dominate. I've seen enough this last two weeks to think there is a bit of spine and a bit of remorselessness in our side. That could be enough to make us contenders.
I agree with some of that but.... to not create a single chance for 92 minutes makes me think otherwise. And that is totally down to the manager. There is talent in the group but we are clueless
Rowe had a 20 yard shot well saved in the first half. He had a 1-on-1 shot saved in the first minute of the second half.
a 20 yard shot is not a chance
In all my years using this forum that last statement has to be one of the most baseless, crass, inane and least thought out posts I’ve ever read..
What a load of b*llocks.!
A 20 yard shot is not a chance.? And you have “Stock” in your user name.?Papering over cracks. Stupidity to think otherwise.
We were shocking in the first half. Should have been 3-4 down.
But we improved as the second half went on. And Agard made a big difference. Lots of very intelligent runs into the channels.
Sutton were what I expected from this division. Very hard working. Very organised. Players well drilled. But by 60-65 mins, we were on top and starting to dominate. I've seen enough this last two weeks to think there is a bit of spine and a bit of remorselessness in our side. That could be enough to make us contenders.
I agree with some of that but.... to not create a single chance for 92 minutes makes me think otherwise. And that is totally down to the manager. There is talent in the group but we are clueless
Rowe had a 20 yard shot well saved in the first half. He had a 1-on-1 shot saved in the first minute of the second half.
a 20 yard shot is not a chance
In all my years using this forum that last statement has to be one of the most baseless, crass, inane and least thought out posts I’ve ever read..
What a load of b*llocks.!
A 20 yard shot is not a chance.? And you have “Stock” in your user name.??
How the f#ck can you class a shot from outside the box as a chance you should score from? Are you for real?
How..... If its on target of going between the goal post's....... That's how!!!
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No-one would begin to suggest we played well today. But what we definitely did do was to figure out a way of controlling the game in the second half.
That revolved around Clayton dropping deep, finding space and time and picking out probing passes.
It was a long way from perfect, but you could see us controlling the game more and more as the second half progressed. The goals finally came and because they came late, it looks like a very lucky escape. But the goals came because we kept on probing and eventually made the chances. As I've said elsewhere, if those two goals had come in the 68th and 70th minutes, we'd be congratulating the side on a professional response to a woeful first half.
An indication of how much we dictated the second half - Sutton had one shot. Not because they were trying to shut up shop and get 11 men behind the ball. Because we kept them out of possession for much of the half, and we got into them when they did have the ball.
I said in another post that there was something remorseless about us today. Not that we dominated or overwhelmed them. But we kept playing to a game plan and we increased the pressure on them. I said to the lads around me after 80 minutes that it felt like we were going to crack them. In the end we did.
It'll be interesting to see how the approach of Clayton threading balls through the midfield works if and when we have players like Taylor and Molyneux or Tomlin in the side to latch onto them. Today, there were several neat examples with Rowe and Hurst combining from Clayton's balls with crisp passes that almost opened them up but didn't quite. I can see that being a potent threat when we have a full set of attacking options to take advantage.
On a basic level, it was just refreshing to see us having a tactic. For the last 18 months, it felt like the nearest you'd get to tactics at Donny was to buy a box of those sugary little white mints.
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Simple question for stocks army to answer. If we get a free kick out of the box on 20 yards..... Will that be a "chance" to score?????
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Papering over cracks. Stupidity to think otherwise.
We were shocking in the first half. Should have been 3-4 down.
But we improved as the second half went on. And Agard made a big difference. Lots of very intelligent runs into the channels.
Sutton were what I expected from this division. Very hard working. Very organised. Players well drilled. But by 60-65 mins, we were on top and starting to dominate. I've seen enough this last two weeks to think there is a bit of spine and a bit of remorselessness in our side. That could be enough to make us contenders.
I agree with some of that but.... to not create a single chance for 92 minutes makes me think otherwise. And that is totally down to the manager. There is talent in the group but we are clueless
Rowe had a 20 yard shot well saved in the first half. He had a 1-on-1 shot saved in the first minute of the second half.
a 20 yard shot is not a chance
What is a chance then? Does a one on one meet your threshold?
We also worked ourselves into dangerous positions where the opposition had to take Rowe out just outside the box to stop a chance. The resultant free kick wasn't much cop, but we were threatening and developing chances and half chances. Not exactly 'to not create a single chance' is it
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Papering over cracks. Stupidity to think otherwise.
We were shocking in the first half. Should have been 3-4 down.
But we improved as the second half went on. And Agard made a big difference. Lots of very intelligent runs into the channels.
Sutton were what I expected from this division. Very hard working. Very organised. Players well drilled. But by 60-65 mins, we were on top and starting to dominate. I've seen enough this last two weeks to think there is a bit of spine and a bit of remorselessness in our side. That could be enough to make us contenders.
I agree with some of that but.... to not create a single chance for 92 minutes makes me think otherwise. And that is totally down to the manager. There is talent in the group but we are clueless
Rowe had a 20 yard shot well saved in the first half. He had a 1-on-1 shot saved in the first minute of the second half.
a 20 yard shot is not a chance
Yes it is
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If you weren't at the game today, you'd think some total falseities from reading this thread.
We had quite a number of chances today, just not consistent enough at getting into the box.
We weren't leggy at all, I think some in midfield wanted more time on the ball, and couldn't always deal with the Sutton pressing.
Oh, and McSheffrey was not tactically outclassed. He could have changed it earlier but he put faith in Andrews and it just didn't work. When he made the changes we stretched the Sutton defence and exploited their tired legs and minds to great effect, to win the game. He earned that celebration I'd say.
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A pro footballer having a free shot from 2 yards outside the box is absolutely a chance. For the money they get paid you'd have a right to expect them to stretch the keeper.
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You all watched a completely different game to me. Had the game finished 0-1 as it should have, I very much doubt we would be arguing the toss over the very few chances we had. Ridiculous.
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This debate is nothing to do with the game, it’s about your ridiculous statement.
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A refreshing change not playing well and getting results , I’d of snapped you’re hand off for 3 points from 2 games - Bradford and Sutton will be up there come the end of the season so give us some credit , performances will come when we get players back and understanding between players gel.
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No-one would begin to suggest we played well today. But what we definitely did do was to figure out a way of controlling the game in the second half.
That revolved around Clayton dropping deep, finding space and time and picking out probing passes.
It was a long way from perfect, but you could see us controlling the game more and more as the second half progressed. The goals finally came and because they came late, it looks like a very lucky escape. But the goals came because we kept on probing and eventually made the chances. As I've said elsewhere, if those two goals had come in the 68th and 70th minutes, we'd be congratulating the side on a professional response to a woeful first half.
An indication of how much we dictated the second half - Sutton had one shot. Not because they were trying to shut up shop and get 11 men behind the ball. Because we kept them out of possession for much of the half, and we got into them when they did have the ball.
I said in another post that there was something remorseless about us today. Not that we dominated or overwhelmed them. But we kept playing to a game plan and we increased the pressure on them. I said to the lads around me after 80 minutes that it felt like we were going to crack them. In the end we did.
It'll be interesting to see how the approach of Clayton threading balls through the midfield works if and when we have players like Taylor and Molyneux or Tomlin in the side to latch onto them. Today, there were several neat examples with Rowe and Hurst combining from Clayton's balls with crisp passes that almost opened them up but didn't quite. I can see that being a potent threat when we have a full set of attacking options to take advantage.
On a basic level, it was just refreshing to see us having a tactic. For the last 18 months, it felt like the nearest you'd get to tactics at Donny was to buy a box of those sugary little white mints.
100% this.
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Steady on Jonathan. A box of chocolates and a card would do.
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It’s a change from playing poorly and getting beat. Before we take too much from this I’d love us to play well a few times. Because if you play well 8 out of ten times you’ll get a good result. Winning and playing poorly only means anything if you play well most of the time.
It was under DM that we were about 3rd in the division but often very poor. Then we quickly stopped winning those games and thus started the slide we’re hopefully over now.
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Talking about DM: he said ‘pelanty’ three times in his post match interview, but He never said ‘yes, no’ at all.
He’s improving.
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If you weren't at the game today, you'd think some total falseities from reading this thread.
We had quite a number of chances today, just not consistent enough at getting into the box.
We weren't leggy at all, I think some in midfield wanted more time on the ball, and couldn't always deal with the Sutton pressing.
Oh, and McSheffrey was not tactically outclassed. He could have changed it earlier but he put faith in Andrews and it just didn't work. When he made the changes we stretched the Sutton defence and exploited their tired legs and minds to great effect, to win the game. He earned that celebration I'd say.
Did you see goalmouth scramble in the first half that was perilously close to a 2nd goal? And the chance they missed from about 3 yards out in the first half?
I’m an optimistic person, but there’s being realistic. It could have been 3-0 Sutton at half time.
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GMc wasn’t tactically outclassed it was like Ali and dope on the ropes lol. Let them run themselves into the ground then step up a gear
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Anyway, we won whilst playing poorly. There’s plenty of time to improve and once more are back fit we should do just fine.
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If you weren't at the game today, you'd think some total falseities from reading this thread.
We had quite a number of chances today, just not consistent enough at getting into the box.
We weren't leggy at all, I think some in midfield wanted more time on the ball, and couldn't always deal with the Sutton pressing.
Oh, and McSheffrey was not tactically outclassed. He could have changed it earlier but he put faith in Andrews and it just didn't work. When he made the changes we stretched the Sutton defence and exploited their tired legs and minds to great effect, to win the game. He earned that celebration I'd say.
Did you see goalmouth scramble in the first half that was perilously close to a 2nd goal? And the chance they missed from about 3 yards out in the first half?
I’m an optimistic person, but there’s being realistic. It could have been 3-0 Sutton at half time.
.... and don't forget the "inches wide" back header past Mitchell for another !
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Did we win ? The way teams achieve positive things isn’t always by winning by playing well, or in others words play shit and win .
So what do you want ?
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Did we win ? The way teams achieve positive things isn’t always by winning by playing well, or in others words play shit and win .
So what do you want ?
We’re obviously all happy about today but we won’t get promoted (which is what I want) playing like that most weeks.
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Talking about DM: he said ‘pelanty’ three times in his post match interview, but He never said ‘yes, no’ at all.
He’s improving.
That’s part and partial of his post match interviews
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The key to this result is how we follow it up. Keep winning and start playing like an actual team with a plan then it's a great example of a team playing poorly and winning, the stuff of top teams. Follow it up with more performances like this and it's a sign we have a coach who can't get anything more out of us.
There's a bit more negativity than there should be because it followed such a poor season so rightly we want to put that behind us for good.
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If you weren't at the game today, you'd think some total falseities from reading this thread.
We had quite a number of chances today, just not consistent enough at getting into the box.
We weren't leggy at all, I think some in midfield wanted more time on the ball, and couldn't always deal with the Sutton pressing.
Oh, and McSheffrey was not tactically outclassed. He could have changed it earlier but he put faith in Andrews and it just didn't work. When he made the changes we stretched the Sutton defence and exploited their tired legs and minds to great effect, to win the game. He earned that celebration I'd say.
Did you see goalmouth scramble in the first half that was perilously close to a 2nd goal? And the chance they missed from about 3 yards out in the first half?
I’m an optimistic person, but there’s being realistic. It could have been 3-0 Sutton at half time.
Aye I saw all that, we definitely were not solid at the back in the first half. We weren't 3-0 down though, crucially. We ground it out and won the game, as successful teams often do.
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Can't believe what I'm reading on here, forgetting our 'chances' today, the many we created! we were absolutely dogs--t for 90 plus minutes. We can discuss all day long about what's a chance & what isn't., what is true we are still churning out the same old pathetic football we did last season with different players. Wonder who that's down to.
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Can't believe what I'm reading on here, forgetting our 'chances' today, the many we created! we were absolutely dogs--t for 90 plus minutes. We can discuss all day long about what's a chance & what isn't., what is true we are still churning out the same old pathetic football we did last season with different players. Wonder who that's down to.
I think it’s down to you.
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Can't believe what I'm reading on here, forgetting our 'chances' today, the many we created! we were absolutely dogs--t for 90 plus minutes. We can discuss all day long about what's a chance & what isn't., what is true we are still churning out the same old pathetic football we did last season with different players. Wonder who that's down to.
No surprises here with your massively overreactive negative reaction.
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We’ve got a durability in the side this season, you can see the confidence building. The performance’s aren’t there at the minute, they will come. Before the season started most were pessimistic about our chances, of getting points on the board, from this run of games. We have four points already.
There is no harm in-pointing out we need to improve, I think everybody can see that, we do need to play better. We have key players missing and young players filling in on the bench. I don’t think it’s too bad so far.
We were fortunate against Sutton, but how many times have we been unfortunate and lost games? I will take that so early in the season. Get some fringe players some minutes against Lincoln in the cup, hopefully win that, then move on to Wimbledon.
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To be honest I don't much care about how we won, should we have won, the style of the victory etc etc.
You play the final whistle and that's what we did.
Over the years I've seen plenty of games where we've not held on and it was refreshing to turn the tables.
Ground it out against Bradford and robbed a win today.
Fab start to the season.
On it Wimbledon.
#RTID
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We have only Long and Tomlin as senior ‘fringe’ players, though, the rest are young lads!
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No-one would begin to suggest we played well today. But what we definitely did do was to figure out a way of controlling the game in the second half.
That revolved around Clayton dropping deep, finding space and time and picking out probing passes.
It was a long way from perfect, but you could see us controlling the game more and more as the second half progressed. The goals finally came and because they came late, it looks like a very lucky escape. But the goals came because we kept on probing and eventually made the chances. As I've said elsewhere, if those two goals had come in the 68th and 70th minutes, we'd be congratulating the side on a professional response to a woeful first half.
An indication of how much we dictated the second half - Sutton had one shot. Not because they were trying to shut up shop and get 11 men behind the ball. Because we kept them out of possession for much of the half, and we got into them when they did have the ball.
I said in another post that there was something remorseless about us today. Not that we dominated or overwhelmed them. But we kept playing to a game plan and we increased the pressure on them. I said to the lads around me after 80 minutes that it felt like we were going to crack them. In the end we did.
It'll be interesting to see how the approach of Clayton threading balls through the midfield works if and when we have players like Taylor and Molyneux or Tomlin in the side to latch onto them. Today, there were several neat examples with Rowe and Hurst combining from Clayton's balls with crisp passes that almost opened them up but didn't quite. I can see that being a potent threat when we have a full set of attacking options to take advantage.
On a basic level, it was just refreshing to see us having a tactic. For the last 18 months, it felt like the nearest you'd get to tactics at Donny was to buy a box of those sugary little white mints.
This 100% /\
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The key to this result is how we follow it up. Keep winning and start playing like an actual team with a plan then it's a great example of a team playing poorly and winning, the stuff of top teams. Follow it up with more performances like this and it's a sign we have a coach who can't get anything more out of us.
There's a bit more negativity than there should be because it followed such a poor season so rightly we want to put that behind us for good.
Spot on
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We have only Long and Tomlin as senior ‘fringe’ players, though, the rest are young lads!
Anderson and Taylor if they ever get back properly and Luke Molyneux has definitely proved himself at this level, for me was the signing I was most excited to see.
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Can't believe what I'm reading on here, forgetting our 'chances' today, the many we created! we were absolutely dogs--t for 90 plus minutes. We can discuss all day long about what's a chance & what isn't., what is true we are still churning out the same old pathetic football we did last season with different players. Wonder who that's down to.
Happy new season to you. Oh dear oh dear.
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Can't believe what I'm reading on here, forgetting our 'chances' today, the many we created! we were absolutely dogs--t for 90 plus minutes. We can discuss all day long about what's a chance & what isn't., what is true we are still churning out the same old pathetic football we did last season with different players. Wonder who that's down to.
I think it’s down to you.
Oh dear
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Can't believe what I'm reading on here, forgetting our 'chances' today, the many we created! we were absolutely dogs--t for 90 plus minutes. We can discuss all day long about what's a chance & what isn't., what is true we are still churning out the same old pathetic football we did last season with different players. Wonder who that's down to.
Happy new season to you. Oh dear oh dear.
I see the positive police are out again.
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Every post you’ve made for the last 3 months has been negative.
No balance at all to your posts just moan and complain about everything and anything
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It was very clear to see that we were lacking fire power and we have been over the past few seasons, it’s also clear that we still need a player or 2 to bolster the squad, we don’t have a good enough squad to compete for promotion, just shows with a few injuries we are on our bones, I hope we can get 1 or 2 good loan players in before deadline day to really show that we can compete in this division even with a inexperienced manager
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I have watched football for over seventy years and realise there are many ways to win a game of football and to lose it'
We have gone unbeaten for eleven games, that is more than just luck, they include games against two Championship sides and away games against two fancied sides in Bradford and Oxford in league games, and today a win against a side just a few days ago who were lauded as a probable contender after their performances in this division last season.
Being pretty is not the only way to be successful in this game, as Athletico Madrid, Italy, Argentina and many other foreign sides have proved to me over many years, them finding a way to win some causing absolute mayhem and being filthy dirty to achieve success.
The last few years we have not only been outplayed at football, but have also been bullied, shoved around, and have never stood up to anything the opposition have thrown at us and have been like rabbits in the headlights, with in my mind players on the field that had thrown the towel in.
We are not that same team now, we have shown we can mix it in the last two games and have got the rewards of four points, we have found a way, its what the game is all about, it goes back to when the game was invented.
Find a way, the only thing that matters is getting that ball as many times or more in the onion bag at the other end of the pitch. We did it twice in four minutes yesterday while Sutton did it once in 96 minutes, there is nothing easier than coming off the pitch at the end of the game and saying to one of the opposition hard luck mate you played well today, while thinking we found a way to win its a great habit.
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Can't believe what I'm reading on here, forgetting our 'chances' today, the many we created! we were absolutely dogs--t for 90 plus minutes. We can discuss all day long about what's a chance & what isn't., what is true we are still churning out the same old pathetic football we did last season with different players. Wonder who that's down to.
We are two games into the season and now playing against teams that are fighting hard to get points. We have to remember we are in lge 2 so games wont be pretty. The most important thing in my opinion was to make sure we didnt lose the first game as that would have given rise to a lot of doubt. Secondly it was massively important to follow up the Bratford result with a home win, which we did despite ot playing well. Obviously we need to improve performances but these 2 results are massive for our season and should not be u der estimated.
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It was great to see we stayed in the game that allows us to have a chance of smash and grabs, by no means a pretty performance that was clear to everyone, but we do what we can with the cards we have in our hand
It’s not great how we played but it’s really good we didn’t let the game get away from us, hopefully we have 2/3 back by the end of the month and we kick on, I’d also expect 2/3 loans to come in close to the end of the window.
We expected a tough start to the season and credit to the team, they are digging in as hard as they can. 4 points on the board is promotion form isn’t it?
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Every post you’ve made for the last 3 months has been negative.
No balance at all to your posts just moan and complain about everything and anything
Go on then I'll bite, total rubbish you are saying again, I suggest you read back through my posts. I will always support & praise us when I feel it's warranted but I will also say it as I see it, hope that's okay with you & a few other posters. Anyway I thought we were brilliant yesterday, there is that better.
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Every post you’ve made for the last 3 months has been negative.
No balance at all to your posts just moan and complain about everything and anything
Go on then I'll bite, total rubbish you are saying again, I suggest you read back through my posts. I will always support & praise us when I feel it's warranted but I will also say it as I see it, hope that's okay with you & a few other posters. Anyway I thought we were brilliant yesterday, there is that better.
I’ve looked back through your posts and out of around 60 since the end of the season there’s only 1 post with any sort of positivity.
All the rest is just negative drivel
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Can't believe what I'm reading on here, forgetting our 'chances' today, the many we created! we were absolutely dogs--t for 90 plus minutes. We can discuss all day long about what's a chance & what isn't., what is true we are still churning out the same old pathetic football we did last season with different players. Wonder who that's down to.
We are two games into the season and now playing against teams that are fighting hard to get points. We have to remember we are in lge 2 so games wont be pretty. The most important thing in my opinion was to make sure we didnt lose the first game as that would have given rise to a lot of doubt. Secondly it was massively important to follow up the Bratford result with a home win, which we did despite ot playing well. Obviously we need to improve performances but these 2 results are massive for our season and should not be u der estimated.
Can't believe what I'm reading on here, forgetting our 'chances' today, the many we created! we were absolutely dogs--t for 90 plus minutes. We can discuss all day long about what's a chance & what isn't., what is true we are still churning out the same old pathetic football we did last season with different players. Wonder who that's down to.
We are two games into the season and now playing against teams that are fighting hard to get points. We have to remember we are in lge 2 so games wont be pretty. The most important thing in my opinion was to make sure we didnt lose the first game as that would have given rise to a lot of doubt. Secondly it was massively important to follow up the Bratford result with a home win, which we did despite ot playing well. Obviously we need to improve performances but these 2 results are massive for our season and should not be u der estimated.
Fair comment, thing is the performances worry me, I really don't think McSheffrey knows how to set us up. His tactics are baffling. Take the 4 points absolutely, but we have been a poor second best for 130 odd minutes out of the 180 odd we have played. We have decent players, I'm far from convinced we have the manager to take us forward, & yes I really hope I'm wrong.
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Come on lads, McSheffrey has got the team giving it's all, we need to get together and behind them now, whats done is done, the last two years have been terrible and has done a lot of damage with support factions split.
Its time for a new start, we are not the easiest team on the eye, but who can criticize the effort and cussedness of our team in the first two games, time for us all to get together and look forward, we will have bad days but we need to get back on track as soon as possible after those days, the more we pull together the better.
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Every post you’ve made for the last 3 months has been negative.
No balance at all to your posts just moan and complain about everything and anything
Go on then I'll bite, total rubbish you are saying again, I suggest you read back through my posts. I will always support & praise us when I feel it's warranted but I will also say it as I see it, hope that's okay with you & a few other posters. Anyway I thought we were brilliant yesterday, there is that better.
I’ve looked back through your posts and out of around 60 since the end of the season there’s only 1 post with any sort of positivity.
All the rest is just negative drivel
Lol, since the end of the season? Why just then, you keep putting your own spin on things fella. I'll just keep saying it as I see it thanks.
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I didn’t hear anyone complaining about how we had played coming out of the stadium it was great to see everyone smiling
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When i remember our last time in L2 the games were often quite poor. It's just the level we are at.
Also can't remember us dominating too many games really. It was often quite scrappy but we normally had a 10-15min spell where our class would show and we'd get a couple of goals then just battle the rest of the match out. Thats how i remember it at least. Don't think we were going round having 70% of the ball battering teams.
Maybe we just had our spell from the 80th min onwards yesterday and if we had done it on 50-65min we'd be less critical.
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Every post you’ve made for the last 3 months has been negative.
No balance at all to your posts just moan and complain about everything and anything
Go on then I'll bite, total rubbish you are saying again, I suggest you read back through my posts. I will always support & praise us when I feel it's warranted but I will also say it as I see it, hope that's okay with you & a few other posters. Anyway I thought we were brilliant yesterday, there is that better.
I’ve looked back through your posts and out of around 60 since the end of the season there’s only 1 post with any sort of positivity.
All the rest is just negative drivel
Lol, since the end of the season? Why just then, you keep putting your own spin on things fella. I'll just keep saying it as I see it thanks.
I said your posts over the last 3 months and you said that was rubbish.
Hence why, since the end of the season.
I imagine during the season they were even worse.
There’s no spin,
Just a very good start to the season that should be acknowledged.
If we’d played excellent and got 0 points you’d be the first on here saying the performance means nothing if we don’t get anything from the game
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I think there were some concerning elements to yesterdays performance, and certainly lots of room for improvement. I’m yet to be convinced on McSheffrey but have to give him the benefit of the doubt so far this season due to the difficult circumstances of the Bradford game, and the fact that several key players have been missing from both games so far.
For example, I thought we really suffered from a lack of width yesterday, but realistically there was very little GM could’ve done to alter that. The full backs were doing their best to get forward but when you’re missing Molyneux, Taylor, Barlow, and need the likes of Rowe in the centre due to the absence of other creative central players like Tomlin and Close, it reduces your options quite a bit.
The midfield setup from yesterday really needs thinking about but it seems like GM knows that, judging by his post match comments. I’m hoping that was an off day from Biggins too as I thought he struggled. Far too ponderous in possession and rarely found a forward pass. Andrews seemed to really struggle also. Not sure if he’s low on fitness, confidence or just not quite up to it, but thought he offered very little and we looked far better when Agard was brought on.
Positives - Williams and Olowu were very good second half. It looked like they had been instructed to get on the front foot more and defend more aggressively, and they won most of their battles second half. The pace and athleticism between the two of them is immense as well. Mitchell looked assured. Agard made a real difference with his movement, and Kuleya did well and gave us some much needed energy out wide. Rowe showed his quality exceeding the level we’re at at times, particularly with the equaliser where he could’ve easily panicked and tried to rush things, but thought he brought the ball down and found space expertly, and was able to then deliver for Miller to attack the ball and score. Thought Maxwell played well for the most part too.
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Every post you’ve made for the last 3 months has been negative.
No balance at all to your posts just moan and complain about everything and anything
Go on then I'll bite, total rubbish you are saying again, I suggest you read back through my posts. I will always support & praise us when I feel it's warranted but I will also say it as I see it, hope that's okay with you & a few other posters. Anyway I thought we were brilliant yesterday, there is that better.
I’ve looked back through your posts and out of around 60 since the end of the season there’s only 1 post with any sort of positivity.
All the rest is just negative drivel
Lol, since the end of the season? Why just then, you keep putting your own spin on things fella. I'll just keep saying it as I see it thanks. Come on lads, McSheffrey has got the team giving it's all, we need to get together and behind them now, whats done is done, the last two years have been terrible and has done a lot of damage with support factions split.
Its time for a new start, we are not the easiest team on the eye, but who can criticize the effort and cussedness of our team in the first two games, time for us all to get together and look forward, we will have bad days but we need to get back on track as soon as possible after those days, the more we pull together the better.
Absolutely Selby, & I for one will back us 110% when I'm sat in the ground. On here though I'm voicing my concerns over the first 2 games performance wise. The team effort is there without doubt, the tactics however are questionable & it's frustrating to watch.
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I didn’t hear anyone complaining about how we had played coming out of the stadium it was great to see everyone smiling
Yes ... People grinning , smiling , laughing talking about "daylight robbery , highway robbery and Dick Turpin"
Reminded me of game v Brentford when they hammered us but still lost. Most of players strewn all over pitch thinking "how did THAT happen"
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Another factor from yesterday was the heading ability of both centre halves. Whilst they may have won their fair share of headers, often they weren't clearing our lines due to heading more up than away, leading to further contested balls which we often lost.
Bothe Olowu and Williams need to be more decisive with clearing headers, particularly when not under great pressure. If they fail to do this bread and butter defending, then it won't be long before Anderson and Long force themselves into the team.
The main concern was the lack of any sustained dynamism from our midfield with Biggins and Rowe going absent leaving Clayton will fewer choices. The movement was very poor so we just ended up playing too much long stuff.
Now Biggins is supposed to be providing the 'legs' and energy in midfield so I hope it was an off day for him.
Looking at the highlights show and some of the other teams made up of big buggers, we have to be quicker and smarter from back to front as I think we can all agree, yesterday just won't cut it.
I thought Maxwell and Hurst looked quite bright yesterday so I still think we have a talented team that just needs a bit more belief which hopefully will come with more games.
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Don’t forget it’s still only the second competitive fixture. Pre-season is all well and good for practice, but you only get to see what we can do in “proper” matches. We have several new players to bed in and for the team to gel, may take a few more weeks - especially if we integrate players returning from injury.
Until that can happen, performances might be patchy, but it’s results that matter.. get some wins in and we gain the confidence and belief that we haven’t had for the last 18 months.
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We are only a goal away from the play offs and 2 points off automatic promotion places lol
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And 4 points off a relegation spot. Sorry, I couldn’t resist it.
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And 4 points off a relegation spot. Sorry, I couldn’t resist it.
So closer to promotion than relegation then, neither could I
COYR
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Exactly right DBR, I was screaming at my tele for Olowu and Williams to get some distance on their defensive headers, instead of straight up in the air, and back down into the danger area. Madness!!
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When you analyse the game you have to give a certain amount of credit to Sutton, they looked a big, strong and pacy side, they stopped us for large spells from imposing our game plan and stopped our midfield (Rowe and Biggins in particular) from being able to influence the outcome.
That someone, be it the manager, coach or Clayton himself decided to try to impose his passing game from a deeper position enabled us to gain parity towards the end of the game, this proved paramount as we then hit them with the two late goals, a combination of grit, fitness and desire enabled to stay in the game long enough to reach that climax at the end.
Going forwards we need to look at the movement and distribution of the ball amongst the midfield, for large parts of the game the struggled to get on the ball to do anything constructive, we need legs in there and some some vision, something we lacked yesterday.
The forward line didn't help the situation as the aimless long balls played up to Andrews came straight back, we needed more movement, strength and determination from this kind of forward to make it worth our while perusing this plan. Miller would of been better off playing the role himself with wide players joining him.We improved greatly after the changes were made(a little bit too late for me but they were eventually made) the extra pace and movement off the ball of Agard and Kulaya made in instant impact, shades of what we will hope to see from the returning Molineux along side a determined and repentant Timlin.
Lots of poor reactions from many yesterday but it looks to me like a couple of rejuvenated players returning and a midfield doing what's required can make a big change for us, the grit and determination looks to be already there compared with last season, a few more games of getting to know each others pay will help massively.
That was a game we would of completely capitulated in last season, progress is there.
Glass more than half full.
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Every post you’ve made for the last 3 months has been negative.
No balance at all to your posts just moan and complain about everything and anything
Go on then I'll bite, total rubbish you are saying again, I suggest you read back through my posts. I will always support & praise us when I feel it's warranted but I will also say it as I see it, hope that's okay with you & a few other posters. Anyway I thought we were brilliant yesterday, there is that better.
I’ve looked back through your posts and out of around 60 since the end of the season there’s only 1 post with any sort of positivity.
All the rest is just negative drivel
Lol, since the end of the season? Why just then, you keep putting your own spin on things fella. I'll just keep saying it as I see it thanks.
I said your posts over the last 3 months and you said that was rubbish.
Hence why, since the end of the season.
I imagine during the season they were even worse.
There’s no spin,
Just a very good start to the season that should be acknowledged.
If we’d played excellent and got 0 points you’d be the first on here saying the performance means nothing if we don’t get anything from the game
But that's a complete & utter lie isn't it. So you 'imagined' wrong.
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11 games without defeat and we have central defenders that are dicky headers of the ball, midfielders who are not good on the ball, and we lack width, and the front two don't hold the ball up, added to a manager whose tactics worry people.
Just think how good we will be if we ever get it right.
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Every post you’ve made for the last 3 months has been negative.
No balance at all to your posts just moan and complain about everything and anything
Go on then I'll bite, total rubbish you are saying again, I suggest you read back through my posts. I will always support & praise us when I feel it's warranted but I will also say it as I see it, hope that's okay with you & a few other posters. Anyway I thought we were brilliant yesterday, there is that better.
I’ve looked back through your posts and out of around 60 since the end of the season there’s only 1 post with any sort of positivity.
All the rest is just negative drivel
Lol, since the end of the season? Why just then, you keep putting your own spin on things fella. I'll just keep saying it as I see it thanks.
I said your posts over the last 3 months and you said that was rubbish.
Hence why, since the end of the season.
I imagine during the season they were even worse.
There’s no spin,
Just a very good start to the season that should be acknowledged.
If we’d played excellent and got 0 points you’d be the first on here saying the performance means nothing if we don’t get anything from the game
But that's a complete & utter lie isn't it. So you 'imagined' wrong.
I’m not talking about anything other than the last 3 months though.
We’ve had plenty of positive things happen over the last 3 months and you’ve made 60 posts full of negativity.
We’ve taken 4 points from 2 very tough games and not an ounce of positivity have you posted.
We’ve not lost a game out of 11/12 in those 3 months yet you’re still moaning about anything you can think of
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So far we are staying in games, last season terrible errors meant we were out of games early sometimes. If you can’t score just don’t concede, you will get an opportunity at some point in a game. As we did in the last game, keep believing in yourself and never give up. That mentality can take you a long way.
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Absolutely agree on that. Miller, rowe and Clayton were good examples of that mentality change. The two that were here last year were the two that didn't give up. But Miller summed it up for me. He didn't have a great game as GM said post match. Yet he got a goal and assist by continuing to keep going in the right areas. That's massively important. We had it under Saunders/Flynn aswell.
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As GM also said, Miller just sniffs out an opening. The lad just keeps having a go - mental toughness!
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Every post you’ve made for the last 3 months has been negative.
No balance at all to your posts just moan and complain about everything and anything
Go on then I'll bite, total rubbish you are saying again, I suggest you read back through my posts. I will always support & praise us when I feel it's warranted but I will also say it as I see it, hope that's okay with you & a few other posters. Anyway I thought we were brilliant yesterday, there is that better.
I’ve looked back through your posts and out of around 60 since the end of the season there’s only 1 post with any sort of positivity.
All the rest is just negative drivel
Lol, since the end of the season? Why just then, you keep putting your own spin on things fella. I'll just keep saying it as I see it thanks.
I said your posts over the last 3 months and you said that was rubbish.
Hence why, since the end of the season.
I imagine during the season they were even worse.
There’s no spin,
Just a very good start to the season that should be acknowledged.
If we’d played excellent and got 0 points you’d be the first on here saying the performance means nothing if we don’t get anything from the game
But that's a complete & utter lie isn't it. So you 'imagined' wrong.
I’m not talking about anything other than the last 3 months though.
We’ve had plenty of positive things happen over the last 3 months and you’ve made 60 posts full of negativity.
We’ve taken 4 points from 2 very tough games and not an ounce of positivity have you posted.
We’ve not lost a game out of 11/12 in those 3 months yet you’re still moaning about anything you can think of
Then you need to expand on those three months then, if I feel anything positive I will post it. Nothing to do with negativity, it's s saying it as I see it, but you keep posting your rubbish, won't wash with me.
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Not really
If every post you’ve made is negative for the last 3 months, when we’ve made some very good signings, not lost a game, and started the season with two excellent results then I think you need to have a word with yourself.
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Not really, I have never said we haven't made any good signings but I can't comment on them after 2 games. More than happy with with the 4 points aswell. Keep spouting your rubbish though.
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Not really, I have never said we haven't made any good signings but I can't comment on them after 2 games. More than happy with with the 4 points aswell. Keep spouting your rubbish though.
Strange you can’t comment on them after two games but you can comment on anything negative you can think of after two games
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For those that did leave early last night, you didn't miss anything this time, other than idiots from the south stand making fools of themselves
COYR
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Not really, I have never said we haven't made any good signings but I can't comment on them after 2 games. More than happy with with the 4 points aswell. Keep spouting your rubbish though.
Strange you can’t comment on them after two games but you can comment on anything negative you can think of after two games
Here's me thinking you can make comments on whatever you want to, this is a forum is it not.
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I didn’t hear anyone complaining about how we had played coming out of the stadium it was great to see everyone smiling
Yes ... People grinning , smiling , laughing talking about "daylight robbery , highway robbery and Dick Turpin"
Reminded me of game v Brentford when they hammered us but still lost. Most of players strewn all over pitch thinking "how did THAT happen"
DW unfortunately someone has objected to the name Dick Turpin at the museum in York…..seriously
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Extra time excitement for 2 weeks running, another good comeback and could maybe should have won it
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Don't walk out early on this team!
Shoulders back and smash it!
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Well we was robbed at £6 a pint ,but what a come back
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I'm getting to love all these late goals. Nice to know the team doesn't run out of steam until the final whistle.
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If we could score in 90mins we could be a decent team
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Looks like GMs made good on the fitness promise to be able to keep going into 90min on the attack is a good sign. Also in the heat too
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On our train back to the centre at 5.40pm, I overheard some lads saying they left when the 2nd goal went in? Wtf, not even the excuse of missing the traffic, they left to basically go and stand outside, like petulant kids lol
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Great comeback. Poor lower league goals conceded. Brilliant entertainment against a decent side, yet again the team didn’t give in.
A backbone is growing in the team.
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Great comeback. Poor lower league goals conceded. Brilliant entertainment against a decent side, yet again the team didn’t give in.
A backbone is growing in the team.
Come on SCWK, poor lower league goals conceded?
If our number 10 had done what theirs did (brilliant run, skill to fox the defender, and cross) everyone would have said how fantastic it was, not to mention the way their scorer lost the defender by getting ahead of him.
Nothing poor about that goal.
Sometimes you have to acknowledge good play by the opposition.
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These late goals are certainly adding to the usual rollercoaster experience of being a Rovers supporter - I will give you that! :lol:
Thought for a Sunday though, just imagine what this team could achieve with a competent manager in charge. Makes you think doesn't it.
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These late goals are certainly adding to the usual rollercoaster experience of being a Rovers supporter - I will give you that! :lol:
Thought for a Sunday though, just imagine what this team could achieve with a competent manager in charge. Makes you think doesn't it.
We have a competent manager in charge.
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These late goals are certainly adding to the usual rollercoaster experience of being a Rovers supporter - I will give you that! :lol:
Thought for a Sunday though, just imagine what this team could achieve with a competent manager in charge. Makes you think doesn't it.
We have a competent manager in charge.
A competent manager would set a team up to try and win a game outside of injury time in my opinion.
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These late goals are certainly adding to the usual rollercoaster experience of being a Rovers supporter - I will give you that! :lol:
Thought for a Sunday though, just imagine what this team could achieve with a competent manager in charge. Makes you think doesn't it.
We have a competent manager in charge.
A competent manager would set a team up to try and win a game outside of injury time in my opinion.
An incompetent individual would assume the team has been set up to try to win a game in injury time.
One thing I still think some of our supporters need to understand is that football is played against an opposition, and they’re trying to get something from the game too. It can’t always work out how you want it to. We’re three league games into the season and the team is clearly still developing.
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3rd game in a row that we score in added time, and this game we deserved it, would have been more if not for the woodwork and their keeper, and probably if we had bought on Agard earlier it would have been more. We never gave up tonight, Keep it going.
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Could have been 5 today easily
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Another game when it paid not to leave early
COYR