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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: South-Stand-Drummer on August 22, 2009, 05:49:17 pm
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Just like to say that it was pretty crazy after the game. All the Donny fans charged about 400 Boro fans.
Coins & objects got thrown but luckily, nobody got hurt ( from the Donny side )
Does anybody know why it all kicked off..
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All 2000 of them?
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It always was going to kick off, both sets of fans were giving it all for most of the game! I'm shocked that it didn't happen sooner. Sad this still happens in football and shocked rovers were involved!
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Sad to say but we have some 2wats supporting our team, I would have quite happily waded through the scrotes who so call support our team
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Keith Myath wrote:
Sad to say but we have some 2wats supporting our team, I would have quite happily waded through the scrotes who so call support our team
Unlike our fans , why has this kicked off ?
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There was quite a lot of confrontation during the first half, seemed to be quite a lot of aggressive Boro fans in the corner closest to us ('Neolithic Man Stand' I think it was). One young Rovers fan got thrown out by what looked like pretty heavy handed stewarding. At one point after about half an hour it seemed more people were watching the fans than the game!
Did not see what happened after the game as I left early, due to having to be in Sheffield at 7pm to start my night shift! So I can't say what went on, but have to say I am not surprised something did. Some fans were getting pretty heated during the game.
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two dicks in suits trying to wind everyone in boro stand up, one and his frankly retarded looking friend got thrown out after being warned and then some more knob heads decided this was the excuse they needed to try and get at the home fans, the only difference was these were fully grown men, sorry fellas but if you want to fight do it away from the ground so rovers don't end up in bother
Don't know what happened after the game as i was on the bridge but the police horses went steaming in so must have been hairy down there
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Just heard about this on the boro board. Never saw anything myself although I am at the other end of ground but all was peacefull walking down to the station.
Looks like the Red Faction lot in the SE corner were winding the Donny fans up and vice versa then with the coaches parked outside the ground meant that all the Donny fans were milling around and Boro fans had to walk through them to get to the subways and train station.
It was a no Police game inside the stadium, something we have done a few times and normally no problems.
Hope no one got hurt and it doesnt kick off for the return game, luckily its a night game so may not attract our loony brigade.
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We saw an old man being dragged out by stewards etc towards the stadium wall, he looked pretty shook up.
Its pathetic that grown men who can't hold their booze have to behave like that, if they wanna kick the shit out of each other they should do it away from vunerable people.
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Talking to a few of our fans after the game who were towards the Boro fans. Apparently a bottle of urine was thrown from the Boro \"fans\" and it ended up all over a young kid. That apparently then sparked everything else.
If this is true then im not surprised it kicked off.
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i was sat near the boro fans and saw nothing like that so would have to say that is total b*llocks
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Something must have flared it. It is unlike our fans.
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Have to say I'm so pleased I was not at the game, this is an absolute disgrace by both sets of 'so called' supporters.
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I know a lad who is a steward at that end so trying to get hold of him for his side of the story.
Fans going to train station and on the train all mixing and having a laugh as it should be.
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MrFrost wrote:
Something must have flared it. It is unlike our fans.
Why can't people just be arseholes these days, they went looking for trouble and found it the problem comes that it reflects badly on all fans of both teams
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German Rover wrote:
i was sat near the boro fans and saw nothing like that so would have to say that is total b*llocks
German with respect , because you didn't see that particular 'alleged' event ...it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
This is so unlike our fans , there had to be some cause to create that effect surely ?
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When I left the stadium there was a large gathering and lots of shouting. Blokes were shouting 'DDR' (I think) and then it just kicked off, no police in sight - a hooligans dream I would imagine.
A lot of the Boro fans in that corner seemed like kids, athough I do remember the bloke in the blue henry lloyd t shirt and hat who I must admit was acting like the biggest moron i have ever seen.
Oh and plenty of people with their phones out filming so I would imagine Youtube will have some interstings additions over the weekend.
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hoolahoop wrote:
German Rover wrote:
i was sat near the boro fans and saw nothing like that so would have to say that is total b*llocks
German with respect , because you didn't see that particular 'alleged' event ...it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
This is so unlike our fans , there had to be some cause to create that effect surely ?
As a regular away fan, I didn't recognise most of those who were causing trouble after the game by the coaches, they certainly weren't shirters, and I would be surprised if they were fans, rather than people who'd gone up looking for trouble.
It isn't like our fans, but it is like people who just latch on looking for trouble.
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Must say I was surprised at the lack of Police presence both inside and outside the ground. Surely for a 20k crowd there should have been more of them.
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would have been a low risk game due to our good recent record and middlesbroughs relativly recent record, apparantly boro try to have police free games in the stadium and today was one of those games
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Dont have police at Boro for some games, keep the expenses down.
Stewards are supposed to be trained to handle most problems in the ground, police look after the outside.
Did it a few times in the prem and no bother.
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German Rover wrote:
would have been a low risk game due to our good recent record and middlesbroughs relativly recent record, apparantly boro try to have police free games in the stadium and today was one of those games
Hmmmmmmm I suspect that we will have to endure 'heavily policed' games from now on , thanks to the moronic element. :( :(
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Was at the end near the boro fans. Started off as good banter then a minority or rovers fan lets us dow tbh and started acting like right idiots and rightly got kicked out (in the end). Stewards were slow to react, and the lack of police presence after the game was pretty shocking, hence the trouble being allowed to escalate (right spelling? :huh: ). Boro fans were fine IMO during the game, just giving the usual banter, which was to be expected. I hope the minority haven't tarnished our good repuatation :blush:
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Keith Myath wrote:
Sad to say but we have some 2wats supporting our team, I would have quite happily waded through the scrotes who so call support our team
Keith thats a bold statement to say the least, and for the record if you want to/fancy your chances, then PLEASE wade through me.....it boils down to the fact that the 'boro stewards were complete tools and took it upon themselves to try and eject a young lad for f**k all. Football is about the game and banter, and thats what was happening, we got f- all from the ground staff(stewards/security) and it was inevitable what was going to happen, i take it when it did go off you didnt fancy 'wading' through people then......you joke.
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Me and my friend were pretty much the last people to leave the stadium; by the time we got out there was a gathering of Boro and Rovers fans shouting and chanting at each other, separated by a fence and a few stewards. It seemed to be the usual \"come on then\" from a distance, but there were a couple of Rovers fans with blood on their faces who looked as though they'd been struck by a coin. A couple of police on horses showed up and dispersed the fans - wouldn't say it was crazy by any means, more just a few fans mouthing off. That said, I was sat behind the goal to the left and missed practically all that went on during the game.
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German Rover wrote:
i was sat near the boro fans and saw nothing like that so would have to say that is total b*llocks
So because YOU never saw it, then it was b*llocks....i never saw it but i could still believe it, the town is full of young chav wannabee's and this would fit in with what i saw during the afternoon.
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I managed to walk pretty much right through the middle of it just as it was kicking off outside the ground. It certainly made me jump, it's been a while since I'd heard that particular noise at a Rovers game that only seems to happen when lads are about to kick off.
One guy, think he was from Boro was totally spark out in the middle of it with other Boro fans trying to protect him as he was still taking kicks whilst down. Didn't recognise the two \"Donny\" lads who were wading in at the front and I know most of our faces.
Seems stranges on Boros part to give us the section of the away end up against this lot rather than the other section which was left unsold and where I got used to seeing the Premiership teams in. I'm presuming it was Boro that wanted the tickets selling in that order, rather than us doing it that way!
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I saw it all had a decent view as I was looking through window on my coach, bloody turds the lot of em!
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muff licker wrote:
Keith Myath wrote:
Sad to say but we have some 2wats supporting our team, I would have quite happily waded through the scrotes who so call support our team
Keith thats a bold statement to say the least, and for the record if you want to/fancy your chances, then PLEASE wade through me.....it boils down to the fact that the 'boro stewards were complete tools and took it upon themselves to try and eject a young lad for fcuk all. Football is about the game and banter, and thats what was happening, we got f- all from the ground staff(stewards/security) and it was inevitable what was going to happen, i take it when it did go off you didnt fancy 'wading' through people then......you joke.
Sorry to disagree simon but thr kid had already been warned about his behaviour just like his mate in the other suit had, and continued to act like a knobhead running about and dancing in front of the boro fans, he deserved to go. The stewards were heavy handed dragging him backwards by the throat, but his mate in the away shirt and baseball cap was swinging at stewards landing a couple so that won't help his mate in the slightest.
Best question is what the f**k were they doing in suits anyway
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Rios wrote:
One guy, think he was from Boro was totally spark out in the middle of it with other Boro fans trying to protect him as he was still taking kicks whilst down. Didn't recognise the two \"Donny\" lads who were wading in at the front and I know most of our faces.
Who ever they were, be it Donny or Boro I hope they were caught, to kick someone when he is down and to keep kicking is disgusting, barbaric and I hope the book is thrown at them.. Mindless thuggery has no excuse.
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Boro gave the full end over to away fans last season after the cup game against Barrow.
Realised they could get more dosh and fill the other stands as well. Used to be half Boro and half away.
Looks like they were wanting to use the centre sections today,the cctv control unit and spotters are at the back of that section so everything will be monitored and recorded.
Couple of seasons back Man City kicked of towards the end of a game and the following week all of their faces were published in the press,and some were arrested. Two actually gave themselves up to the police before they came knocking.
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German Rover wrote:
muff licker wrote:
Keith Myath wrote:
Sad to say but we have some 2wats supporting our team, I would have quite happily waded through the scrotes who so call support our team
Keith thats a bold statement to say the least, and for the record if you want to/fancy your chances, then PLEASE wade through me.....it boils down to the fact that the 'boro stewards were complete tools and took it upon themselves to try and eject a young lad for fcuk all. Football is about the game and banter, and thats what was happening, we got f- all from the ground staff(stewards/security) and it was inevitable what was going to happen, i take it when it did go off you didnt fancy 'wading' through people then......you joke.
Sorry to disagree simon but thr kid had already been warned about his behaviour just like his mate in the other suit had, and continued to act like a knobhead running about and dancing in front of the boro fans, he deserved to go. The stewards were heavy handed dragging him backwards by the throat, but his mate in the away shirt and baseball cap was swinging at stewards landing a couple so that won't help his mate in the slightest.
I've said before, whe you go to an away match we will always be public enemy no1, the lad by all accounts was winding the boro' fans up but that was it, the way it took 6 stewards to eject the lad was crying out for something to kick off, if that had been at say cardiff then trust me the fans would have over run the stewards, they are there to pretect other fans but today the could have instigated a riot.
Best question is what the fcuk were they doing in suits anyway
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\"Best question is what the fcuk were they doing in suits anyway\"
Yeah, who would wear suits to a football game? Send your answers to John Ryan...
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I have to say that there were more d**kheads in the Rovers end than I had seen for a long time. Grown men who should know better! Several fans moved to seats near to the home corner(we did so we could sit together), a group of around 15 or so, all must have been in their late 30's to late 40's were sat in this area, and spent nearly the whole of the first half winding the Boro fans up and having a go at the Stewards. Why do they spend 26pound and never watch the game?
I didn't see anything thrown in the ground, but did outside. I saw one of the main Boro trouble fan outside at the front.
I was with two girls so didn't hang around(I wouldn't even on my own)
A personal word to end,
GROW UP & GET A LIFE. You don't do the Club or yourselves any good.
Stu.
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jucyberry wrote:
Rios wrote:
One guy, think he was from Boro was totally spark out in the middle of it with other Boro fans trying to protect him as he was still taking kicks whilst down. Didn't recognise the two \"Donny\" lads who were wading in at the front and I know most of our faces.
Who ever they were, be it Donny or Boro I hope they were caught, to kick someone when he is down and to keep kicking is disgusting, barbaric and I hope the book is thrown at them.. Mindless thuggery has no excuse.
Well said.
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jucyberry wrote:
Rios wrote:
One guy, think he was from Boro was totally spark out in the middle of it with other Boro fans trying to protect him as he was still taking kicks whilst down. Didn't recognise the two \"Donny\" lads who were wading in at the front and I know most of our faces.
Who ever they were, be it Donny or Boro I hope they were caught, to kick someone when he is down and to keep kicking is disgusting, barbaric and I hope the book is thrown at them.. Mindless thuggery has no excuse.
I have to agree but tbf you would have to see all of the action to really apportion blame. Seems I will have to tie my scarf around my wrist again as in the late 60's. to protct myself. :( :angry:
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Just heard from one of the stewards and he was saying Boro and Donny winding each other up in the ground then it kicked off outside. Bottles and coins being chucked by Donny fans to start with.Then retaliated by Boro.
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Stu The Tickhill Red wrote:
I have to say that there were more d**kheads in the Rovers end than I had seen for a long time. Grown men who should know better! Several fans moved to seats near to the home corner(we did so we could sit together), a group of around 15 or so, all must have been in their late 30's to late 40's were sat in this area, and spent nearly the whole of the first half winding the Boro fans up and having a go at the Stewards. Why do they spend 26pound and never watch the game?
Got to agree this is the first time i've seen our fans do something like this, these people should know better then to start fighting and end up getting banned from matches. Both set of fans were as bad as each other but come on now the team could get in trouble because of some stupid people.
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On the 'Boro Forum
http://fansonline.net/middlesbrough/mb/
I got caught up in the middle of it all after the game was plenty of trouble outside, saw several donny fans streaming with blood kicked of properly. The stewards were trying to seperate th fans (done a decent job to be fair) no police in sight. Then a couple of police horses charged through the two fans and at the middle fans to push us all back. A lot of blokes said they were all off to he train station to carry the trouble on. Can't believe there was no police.
I went home passed the station and it was quiet. Part of the reason for it kicking off was the coaches being where the were. The Doncaster fans had nowhere to go, so clearly the two fans are going to continue goading each other.
This is what I was told from the police policing the subway after the game:
The grounds of MFC are private land and they are powerless to be on the land of MFC unless otherwise invited by the club. Just the same as an incident in your own home as the policeman put it.
Sounds to me like MFC penny pinching. How they can't want Police at a game with a team from Yorkshire with a sizeable away following is beyond me.
I can only assume it is MFC's decision to put the buses right outside the South Stand which is a recipe for disaster as we found out today people with kids (like myself) getting caught up in all the bother without a policeman to be seen. Someone on one of the Doncaster buses filmed it all. There was also words exchanged/abit of bother after the Sheffield Utd game but no where on the scale/numbers of today.
You'll never take the Boro was all I could hear, Did Donny fans actually come to take the Boro or was it the Boro fans that started it who knows. One thing I do know is that there were plenty of Police outside Doctor Browns before the game and they had rounded up a number of people over the road from Doctor Browns and they weren't going anywhere!
I'm guessing in the Premier League Policing or not isn't an option, I'm sure they'll be an investigation after this to ensure we don't see scenes like this again. I could understand a Police free game against someone like Plymouth who would bring a couple of hundred fans but Doncaster?
What I actually saw was there was 'banter' between the two sets of fans which was always going to happen because of the genius place they put the buses[^]. It was all quite tame until the stewards came in and were a bit aggressive which angered the Doncaster fans who then attempted to 'charge' the Boro fans and all they achieved really was running into their fists. Grown men ffs.
there was nearly a riot during the game.
the SE corner started singing \"whos the XXXXXX in the suit\" to which the \"XXXXXX in the suit\" started taunting on the stairs so the stewards went to stop him, which is fair enough.
the trouble started when the area supervisor (the guy in the royal blue jacket) started getting really aggressive with the donny fan and almost strangling him, so the donny fans moved towards the boro fans and visa-versa.
got pretty tasty for a little while
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Goes back to what I was saying earlier, I don't think many of them were fans at all, just people looking for trouble, maybe they got wind of the fact it was a no police match and wanted to try and take 'advantage' of that?
It doesn't reflect well on our fans or the club, and its a shame, because I bet for about 20 away matches of the season they are no where to be seen and its the fans who go to the games simply to enjoy the football on show etc who end up suffering.
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German Rover wrote:
two dicks in suits trying to wind everyone in boro stand up, one and his frankly retarded looking friend got thrown out after being warned
Stand up Mr Croft..
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But Steve, how can kicking someone who is on the floor ever be the right thing to do? if someone slaps you and you cant turn the other cheek, (something I know would be next to impossible)then slap them back, dont watch them fall then stick the boot in over and over again, there is NEVER ever an excuse for that.
It is what kills .
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DRFC Browny wrote:
bobjimwilly wrote:
German Rover wrote:
Best question is what the fcuk were they doing in suits anyway
:laugh: good question? My bro said he's seem him before in donny bus station being a pillock? All the boro fans were singing \"who's the dickead in the suit?\" :P
im sorry but your bro is full of bullsh*t cos the person in the suit at donny bus station was with me and my mates and hes wasnt bein a pillock at all he was just fine
Sorry mate was sat in front of you lot and your mate was acting a prick til he got thrown out and then started crying
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What is so wrong in goading opposition fans?
Its a football match for christs sake.
The lack of policing was the problem here.
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Redandwhitewhizards wrote:
Goes back to what I was saying earlier, I don't think many of them were fans at all, just people looking for trouble, maybe they got wind of the fact it was a no police match and wanted to try and take 'advantage' of that?
It doesn't reflect well on our fans or the club, and its a shame, because I bet for about 20 away matches of the season they are no where to be seen and its the fans who go to the games simply to enjoy the football on show etc who end up suffering.
Yeah beacause some rovers fans heard at 2.30pm that there was hardly any police prescence.....please give me a break, bbanter between fans is what happens as long as there is no violence then let people crack on with it, the stewards were totally out of order and were to blame for what happened today, no ifs or buts.
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why the f**k are you moaning about mr croft and the other person in the suit its up to them what they come to the match in
its not effecting you or harming you so shut the f**k up
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It wasn't just banter though was it? You say that its fine if there is no violence and I certainly don't disagree with you, but there was violence, and you can't blame the stewards for the fans kicking off outside... You can only blame the fans for that surely? No one forces them to go at each other. If like minded people want to fight it out etc, then I have no problem with that, its when others get caught up in it like the poor old man who was dragged out from the middle of it all, or the kids who were running away crying!
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jucyberry wrote:
But Steve, how can kicking someone who is on the floor ever be the right thing to do? if someone slaps you and you cant turn the other cheek, (something I know would be next to impossible)then slap them back, dont watch them fall then stick the boot in over and over again, there is NEVER ever an excuse for that.
It is what kills .
It's always very dangerous to comment on something you haven't witnessed. It was a pack mentality and once someone stood over the guy and had his arms outstretched it stopped straight away. I highly doubt it was the guy who laid the punch, he was probably in the process of getting leathered. NOTHING is ever black and white.
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The stewards weren't the problem here. They even let most of the trouble causers stay till the end when I would have kicked them out long before. When a group of men go to a football match, don't actually watch it and for 90 mins throw abuse and disgusting language at the opposition fans, they are the ones causing the problem... IMO of course ;)
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DRFC Browny wrote:
why the fcuk are you moaning about mr croft and the other person in the suit its up to them what they come to the match in
its not effecting you or harming you so shut the fcuk up
It affects all of us when their behaviour directly contributed to the trouble and will in the future lead to heavier policing at rovers games, we have always been treated quite well home and away compared to some other teams (Leeds,Millwall and West ham for example). this however will end up changing. I hope ypur mates are proud of themselves cause it makes us all look bad.
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Firstly I was the other lad in the suit, and I had not been Warned at all, i went to the toilet and I admit bieng in a suit would bring attention and I ognored the comments the boro fans thrown to me as I made my way back to my seat
then my other mate (in suit) and my brother (with baseball cap and rovers shirt) walked down to toilet a few minutes later and abuse was thrown at them like at me, they did not ignore it and kissed the rovers badge as they walked down, the steward said something to them as they went uindergound about not provoking the boro fans. On their way back up a chant was started along the lines of \"who's the w**ker in the suit\" upon which my mate just opened his jacket and immediatly there was 4 stewrads on him, and when my brother tried to interven he was also refrained, one of the stewards on my mate started choking him as they moved him until the point when he was sick, and that is something he deserved for just opening his jacket
After bieng ejected we went round to see some other stewards about complaining and they we're happy and more reasonable, and when we explained what had gone off they we're unhappy at it, tok a few statements, and even escorted one of us back into the ground so we could collect our flag?
So choking a kid untill he is sick just because he opened up his jacket is a way of controlling the crowd, okay they we're looking for excuses but frankly i don't see that as one, the stewards was a disgrace
why wear a suit? I'm entitled to wear what I want to a football match, and yes today it got us into bother, but seriously you can't use that as an excuse for the stewards behaviour, If a child is misbehaving then there are other ways than choking him.
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Firstly I was the other lad in the suit, and I had not been Warned at all, i went to the toilet and I admit bieng in a suit would bring attention and I ognored the comments the boro fans thrown to me as I made my way back to my seat
then my other mate (in suit) and my brother (with baseball cap and rovers shirt) walked down to toilet a few minutes later and abuse was thrown at them like at me, they did not ignore it and kissed the rovers badge as they walked down, the steward said something to them as they went uindergound about not provoking the boro fans. On their way back up a chant was started along the lines of \"who's the w**ker in the suit\" upon which my mate just opened his jacket and immediatly there was 4 stewrads on him, and when my brother tried to interven he was also refrained, one of the stewards on my mate started choking him as they moved him until the point when he was sick, and that is something he deserved for just opening his jacket
After bieng ejected we went round to see some other stewards about complaining and they we're happy and more reasonable, and when we explained what had gone off they we're unhappy at it, tok a few statements, and even escorted one of us back into the ground so we could collect our flag?
So choking a kid untill he is sick just because he opened up his jacket is a way of controlling the crowd, okay they we're looking for excuses but frankly i don't see that as one, the stewards was a disgrace
why wear a suit? I'm entitled to wear what I want to a football match, and yes today it got us into bother, but seriously you can't use that as an excuse for the stewards behaviour, If a child is misbehaving then there are other ways than choking him.
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DRFC Browny wrote:
why the fcuk are you moaning about mr croft and the other person in the suit its up to them what they come to the match in
its not effecting you or harming you so shut the fcuk up
It obviously is if the 'fans' in suits are causing the trouble. Pillock.
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have to agree Mr Croft, how the the stewards treated him was out of order
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Sad to say but we have some 2wats supporting our team, I would have quite happily waded through the scrotes who so call support our team
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he didn't just open his jacket though he moved towards the boro fans had already been warned so was thrown out, its that simple mate, there were plenty of us there to watch the game not scream abuse at the people in the home end.
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no took one step forward and opened up his jacket, the CCTV will also back up that statement,
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There was obviously more to it than just \"opening his jacket\" and if he was warned before then it's his own fault and there's no excuse. You're always going to expect stewards to treat away fans with little tolerance.
Like GR said, there was many people there to watch a game of football and not act like dicks and show us up.
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Mr Croft wrote:
Firstly I was the other lad in the suit, and I had not been Warned at all, i went to the toilet and I admit bieng in a suit would bring attention and I ognored the comments the boro fans thrown to me as I made my way back to my seat
then my other mate (in suit) and my brother (with baseball cap and rovers shirt) walked down to toilet a few minutes later and abuse was thrown at them like at me, they did not ignore it and kissed the rovers badge as they walked down, the steward said something to them as they went uindergound about not provoking the boro fans. On their way back up a chant was started along the lines of \"who's the wonker in the suit\" upon which my mate just opened his jacket and immediatly there was 4 stewrads on him, and when my brother tried to interven he was also refrained, one of the stewards on my mate started choking him as they moved him until the point when he was sick, and that is something he deserved for just opening his jacket
After bieng ejected we went round to see some other stewards about complaining and they we're happy and more reasonable, and when we explained what had gone off they we're unhappy at it, tok a few statements, and even escorted one of us back into the ground so we could collect our flag?
So choking a kid untill he is sick just because he opened up his jacket is a way of controlling the crowd, okay they we're looking for excuses but frankly i don't see that as one, the stewards was a disgrace
why wear a suit? I'm entitled to wear what I want to a football match, and yes today it got us into bother, but seriously you can't use that as an excuse for the stewards behaviour, If a child is misbehaving then there are other ways than choking him.
I was some way away from the incident as my seat (am I the only one who sits in his allocated seat??? How old fashioned!) was down the front. I do have one really, really important question for you Mr Croft....
were you wearing a Hull City tie? :laugh:
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i went no where near the borough fans dont talk rubbish i oppened my jacket closed it went to carry on wlaking i had a hand in my throat and 4 people on me , i love it when people say you did stuff and dont realise that your sat reading these comments lol
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kyle17balby wrote:
i went no where near the borough fans dont talk rubbish i oppened my jacket closed it went to carry on wlaking i had a hand in my throat and 4 people on me , i love it when people say you did stuff and dont realise that your sat reading these comments lol
Why did you do it, though?
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JoshDRFC wrote:
There was obviously more to it than just \"opening his jacket\" and if he was warned before then it's his own fault and there's no excuse. You're always going to expect stewards to treat away fans with little tolerance.
Like GR said, there was many people there to watch a game of football and not act like dicks and show us up.
his warning was along the lines of \"Stop swearing and provoking the home fans\" he did not swear, and I and the stewards that we met outside the ground did not deem what he did \"provoking\" them
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Mr Croft wrote:
no took one step forward and opened up his jacket, the CCTV will also back up that statement,
b*llocks mate i was sat two rows infront of you two clowns and saw exactly what happened, just grow up and admit you, your mate and your brother should learn to behave and grow up
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to play along with there fans :) just having a laff i knew i looked a dick in a suit why say i dont ,, :)
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kyle17balby wrote:
i went no where near the borough fans dont talk rubbish i oppened my jacket closed it went to carry on wlaking i had a hand in my throat and 4 people on me , i love it when people say you did stuff and dont realise that your sat reading these comments lol
You are a lying shit my son take a good hard look in the mirror and sort your life out
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Rios wrote:
Mr Croft wrote:
Firstly I was the other lad in the suit, and I had not been Warned at all, i went to the toilet and I admit bieng in a suit would bring attention and I ognored the comments the boro fans thrown to me as I made my way back to my seat
then my other mate (in suit) and my brother (with baseball cap and rovers shirt) walked down to toilet a few minutes later and abuse was thrown at them like at me, they did not ignore it and kissed the rovers badge as they walked down, the steward said something to them as they went uindergound about not provoking the boro fans. On their way back up a chant was started along the lines of \"who's the wonker in the suit\" upon which my mate just opened his jacket and immediatly there was 4 stewrads on him, and when my brother tried to interven he was also refrained, one of the stewards on my mate started choking him as they moved him until the point when he was sick, and that is something he deserved for just opening his jacket
After bieng ejected we went round to see some other stewards about complaining and they we're happy and more reasonable, and when we explained what had gone off they we're unhappy at it, tok a few statements, and even escorted one of us back into the ground so we could collect our flag?
So choking a kid untill he is sick just because he opened up his jacket is a way of controlling the crowd, okay they we're looking for excuses but frankly i don't see that as one, the stewards was a disgrace
why wear a suit? I'm entitled to wear what I want to a football match, and yes today it got us into bother, but seriously you can't use that as an excuse for the stewards behaviour, If a child is misbehaving then there are other ways than choking him.
I was some way away from the incident as my seat (am I the only one who sits in his allocated seat??? How old fashioned!) was down the front. I do have one really, really important question for you Mr Croft....
were you wearing a Hull City tie? :laugh:
No it was a DRFC one from teh keepmoat
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http://www.fansonline.net/middlesbrough/mb/view.php?id=1323358
Here's what i've put on there board.About todays trouble
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Mr Croft wrote:
No it was a DRFC one from teh keepmoat
Apologies then, it looked a strange shade of tangerine from my considerable distance away. :)
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kyle17balby wrote:
to play along with there fans :) just having a laff i knew i looked a dick in a suit why say i dont ,, :)
It's called provocative behaviour and that behaviour won't be taken by away stewards. They've given you the opportunity of watching the football match and you disrespect that - you're in their grounds and they won't tolerate it. You deserve what you get.
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1)if someone (away fan) was opening up his coat to me it would say they were ready for a fight or in this day and age could have pulled a weapon out so this is why they were heavy handed at a guess !!
and dont you two realise you have cost your club money now when you need it most,at some point later this season certain police forces will now want say 250 coppers instead of 200 or 100 instead of 50 so you have just helped create a needless expense for your team
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Mr Croft wrote:
JoshDRFC wrote:
There was obviously more to it than just \"opening his jacket\" and if he was warned before then it's his own fault and there's no excuse. You're always going to expect stewards to treat away fans with little tolerance.
Like GR said, there was many people there to watch a game of football and not act like dicks and show us up.
his warning was along the lines of \"Stop swearing and provoking the home fans\" he did not swear, and I and the stewards that we met outside the ground did not deem what he did \"provoking\" them
Like I said he was warned before so therefore tbh he should have shut up and got on with watching the match. Even though it seems harsh he was kicked out, it was very stupid to even think about further provoking the Boro fans further.
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donnywhitegaz wrote:
1)if someone (away fan) was opening up his coat to me it would say they were ready for a fight or in this day and age could have pulled a weapon out so this is why they were heavy handed at a guess !!
and dont you two realise you have cost your club money now when you need it most,at some point later this season certain police forces will now want say 250 coppers instead of 200 or 100 instead of 50 so you have just helped create a needless expense for your team
And there speaks a Donny white, Leeds Fans get a real hard time due to the behaviour of some of their fans in the past, I always hoped the rovers wouldn't go that way but looks like we may do now. Real disappointment
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Disgraceful behaviour today, I'm embarrassed to be a Rovers fan. It seemed half the crowd were more bothered about some morons giving it the 'im big and hard come and have a go if you think you're hard enough' schtick, luckily I was near the front so was able to concentrate on the game. Didn't see any of the crap afterwards as I was going for the train (went straight on with all the Boro fans rather than going the tunnel way, on advice from a Boro-supporting friend before the game).
I don't know or care who was involved but what was the need? There's banter between opposing fans and then there's the shite that went down today. Totally unneccessary, and what's worse is a lot of people in our crowd seem to think it's great. I've heard the stories of what happened in the bad years when football hooliganism was rife everywhere, and am glad it is largely gone from the game these days. All I saw today was some idiots in suits getting chucked out. Heard about the incident after the game from an excited friend who thought it was great, saying that \"we battered 'em\" and \"we all 'ate boro\" and some other primitive chimp statements. I've been online for half an hour and have not yet been able to talk about the game, whether it's because of today's 'trouble' or the farce at Darlington train station.
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Who was the skinny runt(one of our fans) in the blue jacket? It could have been a hoody, and probably was, the chav.
Anyway, when one of his chavy mates was getting handle down to the bottom of the stand, \"the one in the blue\" tried to push the steward down the steps. That was totally out of order, did anyone else see it, the prick.
I would not have been too upset...if the stewards took him in the bogs and gave him a good fcuking hiding. :laugh:
The stewards were pricks today, but this was before it all got silly.
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Carling Rover wrote:
Who was the skinny runt(one of our fans) in the blue jacket? It could have been a hoody, and probably was, the chav.
Anyway, when one of his chavy mates was getting handle down to the bottom of the stand, \"the one in the blue\" tried to push the steward down the stairs. That was out totally of order, did anyone else see it, the prick.
I would not have been too upset...if the stewards took him in the bogs and gave him a good fcuking hiding. :laugh:
The stewards were pricks today, but this was before it all got silly.
Think that is the one who mr Croft said was his brother the special looking one, couldn't agree with you any more if i tried,
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Sad to say but we have some 2wats supporting our team, I would have quite happily waded through the scrotes who so call support our team
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A thing that springs to mind here is, 'he who is without sin cast the first stone'. Come on if opening your jacket warrants being ejected from the ground then I hate what football has turned into. It seems that the boro fans are saying the same, that he opened his jacket and thats it.
The stewards were far too heavy handed today and exasperated the situation instead of difusing it. Dont you think this lad has had enough today, being assaulted by stewards, only to come and get abuse by his fellow Rovers fans. Shame on you.
Weve all had a bit of fun and games at away days over the years, and i'm sure alot on this forum have done alot worse than open their jacket 'in a provocative manner'.
Wind you necks in and get a life.
As for the kid who has never been as scared at a Rovers match, :woohoo:. Your lucky that you werent at a match in the 80's.
This thing has been blown out of all proportion, 10/20 years ago if this happened at a game then it would be considered a quiet game and we wouldnt have given in a 2nd thought.
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Keith Myath wrote:
Sad to say but we have some 2wats supporting our team, I would have quite happily waded through the scrotes who so call support our team
... maybe so but the need to post the same thing 3 times is what?
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And to add threepennorth of mine: anyone going to any game, home or away, who doesn't understand that stewards are fundamentally yobs in uniforms deserves all they get. Have you ever come across an intelligent steward? I haven't. A few of them are reasonable. Nice even. But the vast majority will chuck you around as soon as look at you. So any brain dead tosspot who 'opens his coat' is just asking for trouble. Engage brains? Silly concept I know.
Cheers
BobG
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And to add threepennorth of mine: anyone going to any game, home or away, who doesn't understand that stewards are fundamentally yobs in uniforms deserves all they get. Have you ever come across an intelligent steward? I haven't. A few of them are reasonable. Nice even. But the vast majority will chuck you around as soon as look at you. So any brain dead tosspot who 'opens his coat' is just asking for trouble. Engage brains? Silly concept I know.
Cheers
BobG
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You wouldn't wear a rovers shirt and scarf to a funeral without good reason...
so why wear \"a suit\" to a football match (especially away?)
to put it in such a context you understand
like...
\"oh when the beans come out the tin, you put the bread in the toaster...\"
try...
\"oh when you wear a suit to a football match,
oh when you wear a suit to a football match,
You look stupid and become a prime target for opposition fans
who will just wind you up until you end up gettin kicked out,
oh when you wear a suit to a football match\"
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WTF? I did nowt - and it just repeated my post above!
BobG
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bloody hell. these lads are getting a bit of stick for having banter with the home fans. What next? F@ck me. Although after the game probably wasnt acceptable, i never saw it went straight for th train, in the ground i saw nothing wrong. IT WAS BANTER BETWEEN OPPOSING FANS. if you cant do that what can you do?
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today was a no policed match right ?
so the men who were involved in the tussling were obviously going to come for a bit of action. think about it how often is it nowadays where the games are not policed, ermmmmm pretty much never. the men find out about this and think yess chance to get a bit messy, cant say i blame them tbh if i was that sort of person i would be the same, and some people on here saying it was the rovers fans kicking it off , i was stood amongst it all and the boro fans were throwing stones towards the rovers group this aggravated the situation and thats when the situation escalated !
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German Rover wrote:
Mr Croft wrote:
no took one step forward and opened up his jacket, the CCTV will also back up that statement,
b*llocks mate i was sat two rows infront of you two clowns and saw exactly what happened, just grow up and admit you, your mate and your brother should learn to behave and grow up
German usually I would agree with you. These lads had suits on , is there a problem with that? They took abuse from 100's apparently and that's perfectly acceptable because they are 'home' fans! He opened his jacket and presumably went to load a double - barrelled shotgun to kill all the aforementioned nice well-behaved, non-taunting 'home' fans and then virtually got strangled by stewards who in the opinion of most of those on the Boro' forums over-reacted and half strangled the lad.
Strange that you seem to disagree with the majority of those who would normally be expected to choose to say that he deserved it and didn't................only you think he deserved such a reaction !
Whatever happened to banter, you don't run a team of 70's night club bouncers do you btw as well ?
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i have said previously the stewards were over the top in choking the kid by his tie, but his mate was also trying to knock people down the stairs so they would over react to that. thought they looked like dicks in the suits, which is fine but to behave like dicks as well after being warned is just asking for trouble. Everyone was giving each other stick up there myself included but its when you act like a cock you end up in the brown
Unfortunatly i don't run a team of bouncers but be sure they would make life on mars look like a christmas party, lol
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German Rover wrote:
i have said previously the stewards were over the top in choking the kid by his tie, but his mate was also trying to knock people down the stairs so they would over react to that. thought they looked like dicks in the suits, which is fine but to behave like dicks as well after being warned is just asking for trouble. Everyone was giving each other stick up there myself included but its when you act like a willy you end up in the brown
Unfortunatly i don't run a team of bouncers but be sure they would make life on mars look like a christmas party, lol
Good response fella, i just didn't want the Boro' fans to think from our boards that they (the stewards) were entirely blameless.
I'm not quite sure what the 'suit' thing was all about though do you ?
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Some people on here talk absolute b*llocks. I was there today was in the thick of everything that happened after the match and can tell you what you need to know. With the greatest of respect jucy you were not there and no matter how many fans you have on here and how much shit i will get for saying this a boro guy who was older than most did go down but nobody laid into him after that happened so i suggest if youdid not see the incident then keep ypur opinions to yourself.
Boro fans were being absolute cocks, they instigated everything today Doncaster were only looking after themselves outside the ground. If you look inside the stewards were only interested in throwing Donny out. How many boro were ejected today?
I will not condone what happened putside after the game but in the same breath I will not say rovers fans started it.
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MattyDRFC wrote:
http://www.fansonline.net/middlesbrough/mb/view.php?id=1323358
Here's what i've put on there board.About todays trouble
Quite possibly the gayest thing I have ever read in my life.
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roversron wrote:
Some people on here talk absolute b*llocks. I was there today was in the thick of everything that happened after the match and can tell you what you need to know. With the greatest of respect jucy you were not there and no matter how many fans you have on here and how much sh*t i will get for saying this a boro guy who was older than most did go down but nobody laid into him after that happened so i suggest if youdid not see the incident then keep ypur opinions to yourself.
Boro fans were being absolute willys, they instigated everything today Doncaster were only looking after themselves outside the ground. If you look inside the stewards were only interested in throwing Donny out. How many boro were ejected today?
I will not condone what happened putside after the game but in the same breath I will not say rovers fans started it.
Roversron you could have made your point without the 'how many friends' sarcasm re. Jucy. There are posts both on here and the Boro' board re. this incident, it might be you were involved in a lesser incident.
Either way it was not a clever day. :( :(
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The crap wrote on our OFFICIAL site yesterday will have wound up the more violent element of Middlesborough's supporter's .
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My two penn'orth from somebody who was there...
The old bloke who was lying on the floor bleeding from his head - he stumbled and fell, yes, there was some argy-bargy at the time which may have contributed to this but at no point was he attacked and definitely not kicked as some are trying to make out. Hope he's OK.
There seems to be a lot of folk on here blaming Rovers fans for all the trouble, but seems to me that Boro were the instigators after the game, together with the lack of any police presence.
End of the day, it was just a bit of bouncing around and a few handbags thrown. fcuk knows what you lot would have made of what happened in the 70's and 80's.
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BarryEvans wrote:
MattyDRFC wrote:
http://www.fansonline.net/middlesbrough/mb/view.php?id=1323358
Here's what i've put on there board.About todays trouble
Quite possibly the gayest thing I have ever read in my life.
Well am sorry.You are entitaled to your opinoins its a free country
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Muttley wrote:
My two penn'orth from somebody who was there...
The old bloke who was lying on the floor bleeding from his head - he stumbled and fell, yes, there was some argy-bargy at the time which may have contributed to this but at no point was he attacked and definitely not kicked as some are trying to make out. Hope he's OK.
There seems to be a lot of folk on here blaming Rovers fans for all the trouble, but seems to me that Boro were the instigators after the game, together with the lack of any police presence.
End of the day, it was just a bit of bouncing around and a few handbags thrown. fcuk knows what you lot would have nade of what happened in the 70's and 80's.
I cannot believe the overeaction from people to someone winding up opposition fans. f**king ridiculous.
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MattyDRFC wrote:
BarryEvans wrote:
MattyDRFC wrote:
http://www.fansonline.net/middlesbrough/mb/view.php?id=1323358
Here's what i've put on there board.About todays trouble
Quite possibly the gayest thing I have ever read in my life.
Well am sorry.You are entitaled to your opinoins its a free country
It was extremely cringing to read.
All that was missing at the end was, 'big hugs'.
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I agree, you were asking for some of the harsh replies writing that.
Anyway, is there owt on Youtube yet?
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mushRTID wrote:
I agree, you were asking for some of the harsh replies writing that.
Anyway, is there owt on Youtube yet?
Not that I can find, I am a horrible person.
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rabjohns wrote:
The crap wrote on our OFFICIAL site yesterday will have wound up the more violent element of Middlesborough's supporter's .
Rabjohns, that's a load of bollox and you know it, the same comments could be made about any industrial town including our own. :blink:
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Muttley wrote:
My two penn'orth from somebody who was there...
The old bloke who was lying on the floor bleeding from his head - he stumbled and fell, yes, there was some argy-bargy at the time which may have contributed to this but at no point was he attacked and definitely not kicked as some are trying to make out. Hope he's OK.
There seems to be a lot of folk on here blaming Rovers fans for all the trouble, but seems to me that Boro were the instigators after the game, together with the lack of any police presence.
End of the day, it was just a bit of bouncing around and a few handbags thrown. fcuk knows what you lot would have made of what happened in the 70's and 80's.
From where I was stood the \"argy-bargy\" was happening on top of this guy when he went down. But if he didn't get kicked then I'm happy enough to say I was wrong.
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im with barry on this i think some people need to lighten up tbf !
different people making different shit up!
no one was seriously injured i personally thought today was one of the best away games purely based on banter and a bit of a heated affair at the end , as long as no one gets hurt thats how it should be in my opinion B)
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ohh dear rovers ron, I think you need to look back at the posts by jb.
She did say that whether they were rovers or boro fans then the book should be thrown at them.
I hope to see you down the Keepmoat on Wednesday, I'll be the one wearing a suit and footie boots all the better to volley a visting suppoters head into the top corner. :) :laugh: :cheer:
Personally I'm in favour of the club administering female hormones to calm some of our more testosterone charged fans down. Lets face it, some act like tits, no reason for them not to look like tits too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Muttley wrote:
My two penn'orth from somebody who was there...
The old bloke who was lying on the floor bleeding from his head - he stumbled and fell, yes, there was some argy-bargy at the time which may have contributed to this but at no point was he attacked and definitely not kicked as some are trying to make out. Hope he's OK.
There seems to be a lot of folk on here blaming Rovers fans for all the trouble, but seems to me that Boro were the instigators after the game, together with the lack of any police presence.
End of the day, it was just a bit of bouncing around and a few handbags thrown. fcuk knows what you lot would have made of what happened in the 70's and 80's.
I remember the massive over-reaction when half a dozen Millwall fans shifted a few seats down at the opening day of the season at the KMS a few years ago.
There are some proper soft bas**rds on here I tell thee.
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Albert Jenkins wrote:
Muttley wrote:
My two penn'orth from somebody who was there...
The old bloke who was lying on the floor bleeding from his head - he stumbled and fell, yes, there was some argy-bargy at the time which may have contributed to this but at no point was he attacked and definitely not kicked as some are trying to make out. Hope he's OK.
There seems to be a lot of folk on here blaming Rovers fans for all the trouble, but seems to me that Boro were the instigators after the game, together with the lack of any police presence.
End of the day, it was just a bit of bouncing around and a few handbags thrown. fcuk knows what you lot would have made of what happened in the 70's and 80's.
I remember the massive over-reaction when half a dozen Millwall fans shifted a few seats down at the opening day of the season at the KMS a few years ago.
There are some proper soft bas**rds on here I tell thee.
Any one remember Darlo turning up in't popside in early nineties? only about 8/9 of em but started singing Darlo songs just as ref blew for kick off at 15:00, by 15:02 they were being kicked down the steps and frog marched out the ground by our own fans. Great days.
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Yesterdays trouble was handbags at 10 paces compared to the 80's,Anyone remember sheff utd at home 82/83 season won 2-0 there was fighting all over the ground, oh the good old days
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In true Arsene Wenger style I didn't see it (we left the ground a minute or so before the whistle as needed to be back in Donny as early as possible) but I think a lot of people on here are quick to blame our own fans and I don't understand the mentality behind that. From what I saw during the game there was a bit of banter between the two sets of fans but nothing untoward, if anything it probably added to the atmosphere. I've no idea what caused the kid to be thrown out but the way the stewards dealt with it seemed over zealous and in no way helped the situation. He was only a kid and the way the steward pushed him down the stairs with his hand around his neck was not required. It looked like an abuse of power to me.
As for the events after the game, I can only go on what I've been told and that is that a Boro fan threw a punch at a Rovers fan by the coaches which started it all off. Apparently there was then a bit of a stand off with families and children caught in the middle of it. I know a lad that was in our group was hit on the head by a coin which drew blood. Sounds like the Boro fans were no angels themselevs so to simply blame the Rovers fans is a bit unfair. We have a good record of behaviour at games home and away, and knowing a few of the lads that have been involved in the 'firm' as I do, it would not be like them to instigate trouble at the stadium infront of families and children. I'd be inclined to say that it was a bit of harmless banter that got out of hand and that Rovers part in any trouble was very much reactive, not pro-active.
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I was sat behind the goal and to the side of the trouble.
Six or seven guys near to me (who I had not seen before at Rovers games) aged 50+ were discussing the time they went on the pitch at Ayresome Park in the 70's to take on the Boro lads.
As the trouble was kicking off in the corner these knobs got up and decided to relive their youth and moved to the troublesome area.
They need to look at themselves
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The actions of the stewards yesterday are what changed the atmosphere. Up to them kicking out the guy in the suit the banter was all pretty good natured usual stuff. A lot of our fans took that quite badly and from then on there was always a real good chance of it kicking off.
As for out side the ground afterwards I was in the middle of it all and I can confirm that the guy on the floor did NOT get kicked while he was down. In fact both sets of fans backed off for a while while he was tended to and a few peace makers tried to calm the situation.
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opinionated old git wrote:
The actions of the stewards yesterday are what changed the atmosphere. Up to them kicking out the guy in the suit the banter was all pretty good natured usual stuff. A lot of our fans took that quite badly and from then on there was always a real good chance of it kicking off.
As for out side the ground afterwards I was in the middle of it all and I can confirm that the guy on the floor did NOT get kicked while he was down. In fact both sets of fans backed off for a while while he was tended to and a few peace makers tried to calm the situation.
I remember Sheff UTD stewards last season being heavy handed with the chav Blade in the white tracky top. Most times it's the stewards who incite crowd trouble. If they let the fans have banter, 99% of the time nothing would come of it but in this day and age we cannot fart without up setting someone. Same old same old, this country has gone too f**kin soft.
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Nudga wrote:
opinionated old git wrote:
The actions of the stewards yesterday are what changed the atmosphere. Up to them kicking out the guy in the suit the banter was all pretty good natured usual stuff. A lot of our fans took that quite badly and from then on there was always a real good chance of it kicking off.
As for out side the ground afterwards I was in the middle of it all and I can confirm that the guy on the floor did NOT get kicked while he was down. In fact both sets of fans backed off for a while while he was tended to and a few peace makers tried to calm the situation.
I remember Sheff UTD stewards last season being heavy handed with the chav Blade in the white tracky top. Most times it's the stewards who incite crowd trouble. If they let the fans have banter, 99% of the time nothing would come of it but in this day and age we cannot fart without up setting someone. Same old same old, this country has gone too fcukin soft.
Your last sentence sums up for me why some people have overreacted to the incidents yesterday when they blame Rovers fans for what happened. This country is getting so caught up with the PC brigade. We won't even be able to sing in grounds in years to come!
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Here . .
I've found this on Youtube ,
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKX72fxVwDw[/video]
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The quality of the video is absolutely rubbish , pointless to watch it , cant make out a thing .
Mangaged to get out of the ground about 10 minutes after the final whistle and was making my way to the coach (COACH 2) and as i was walking to the coach i heard chanting and the chant of \"DDR\", i went to see what was going going off and i saw a Rovers fan wearing a white going out shirt with blood all over him and his nose and ears were pouring with blood, boths sets of fans started coin throwing and bottle throwing then the Boro fans chanted \"You'll Never Take The Boro\", a few of the metal fences were knocked down and both sets of fans tryed running in on each other and as this started to happen two large police horses came into the middle and the Boro fans backed off, pretty frightening stuff and it isnt a pleasing sight to see any human sparko on the floor and covered in blood, what frightened me the most was the Boro fans could have easily walked round and trapped 'US ROVERS FANS' inside the coach car park and then things would have really got bad, suprised aswell that no damage to the coaches were made.
R.T.I.D
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Well, for my part, I got wrapped up in the activities outside the ground, through no fault of my own - I was simply trying to get on my bus. There were some right 'heavies' from Boro, just smacking anyone who got within arm swinging range, including a guy carrying his 8 year old son away from the danger area. Anyone got it - no prisoners. If this is what's called 'policing' at football matches, then I'm glad I don't work for the police. It was difficult to know whether you were safer on the bus, or off it - I took the 'off it' route, as did most of our bus.
We're not talking about bits of kids here either - most of them ran a mile when they could see what they were up against. The Boro heavies were guys in their late 20's up to (I would have to guess) late 40's. And they were big lads/men and all spoiling for a right set-to. I'd guess most of them were high on something as they were all wide eyed and pumped up.
It must have taken a good 15-20 minutes for any police to arrive and when they did (on horseback) they scattered the Boro fans all over the place. It was then all over. The stewards stood back and watched, in the main - big hard men that they were! It seemed to kick off outside because the Boro 'fans' were smacking anyone who tried to get on the first bus in the line of busses outside (ours was 2nd in line fortunately). It was utter chaos (as these things usually are) and I have to say, although the stewards tried to keep the different factions apart, they were as much use as a chocolate fireguard.
Not good and there ought to be serious repurcussions on Middlesborough for this. Little or no protection for innocent fans - other then to take the option of keeping well away - is not really on. From what I saw, the Doncaster fans retaliated, rather than started anything - some lads taking to holding a metal barrier in place so that people could get on their bus without being assaulted.
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Alan Southstand wrote:
I'd guess most of them were high on something as they were all wide eyed and pumped up.
Think there's a job going at the Daily Mail that'd be right up your street.
Other than that a fair assessment of what went on.
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roversron wrote:
Some people on here talk absolute b*llocks. I was there today was in the thick of everything that happened after the match and can tell you what you need to know. With the greatest of respect jucy you were not there and no matter how many fans you have on here and how much sh*t i will get for saying this a boro guy who was older than most did go down but nobody laid into him after that happened so i suggest if youdid not see the incident then keep ypur opinions to yourself.
Boro fans were being absolute willys, they instigated everything today Doncaster were only looking after themselves outside the ground. If you look inside the stewards were only interested in throwing Donny out. How many boro were ejected today?
I will not condone what happened putside after the game but in the same breath I will not say rovers fans started it.
Your like a bloody playground child. \"Miss! I didnt start it - it was him\"
Whether Rovers or Boro, whoever threw a punch, kicked someone, whatever, is as guilty as anyone else. Any grown adult using their fists or feet to settle differences are nothing short of animals, and dont deserve the title of human beings. Ridiculous.
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wouldn't blame anyone for the trouble apart from outside where was the police? and for fans saying the rovers fans causing the trouble are faces that they have never seen before is crap i don't make many away games but i recognised most of the faces and just because they had no shirts on don't make them any worse a fan than them with shirts on ,these same fans i saw at the wolves game and caused no bother.those fans at the front holding back the boro or even fighting with the boro may get a bad name but what if they weren't holding back the boro fans and they came running into the middle of the rovers lot with kids and the elderly.i don't condone football violence but i wont slag of our own fans i think in a sick way iam glad these ddr boys were their it could of been worse if they weren't their but just imo. what made me laugh was the amount of fans just standing back and watching me included for a while,and most around my age thinking not getting involved but if they come over to where we are it will be a case of lets get ready to rumble..
i was with my lad who is nine and i thought this might put him off but he enjoyed it in a sick way and thought it was cool when the police horses dispersed the boro fans.
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Doctor Browns pub before the game was where it all kicked off. Loads of rovers singing then muppets from Boro decided to come in.
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The beautiful side of the last 10 years has been our trips to the Conference grounds where you could enjoy the day . If this is what it is going to be now I am out! I think that rather than just state an apology for lack of editorial control Steve Uttley and the club should make a substantail gesture to a Middlesboro choosen charity .It is unthinkable to allow an official FC site to publish such inflammatory stuff. Sure the hooligans have no excuses to behave badly but if we give them one then we are as stupid as they are criminal.
Football clubs have a responsibility in society whether they care to accept it or not.
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Master Katesby wrote:
Doctor Browns pub before the game was where it all kicked off. Loads of rovers singing then muppets from Boro decided to come in.
I heard bout that couple of lads who was on our coach went in there.Apprantley someone got bottled in there didn't they?
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Pintolager wrote:
Nudga wrote:
opinionated old git wrote:
The actions of the stewards yesterday are what changed the atmosphere. Up to them kicking out the guy in the suit the banter was all pretty good natured usual stuff. A lot of our fans took that quite badly and from then on there was always a real good chance of it kicking off.
As for out side the ground afterwards I was in the middle of it all and I can confirm that the guy on the floor did NOT get kicked while he was down. In fact both sets of fans backed off for a while while he was tended to and a few peace makers tried to calm the situation.
I remember Sheff UTD stewards last season being heavy handed with the chav Blade in the white tracky top. Most times it's the stewards who incite crowd trouble. If they let the fans have banter, 99% of the time nothing would come of it but in this day and age we cannot fart without up setting someone. Same old same old, this country has gone too fcukin soft.
Your last sentence sums up for me why some people have overreacted to the incidents yesterday when they blame Rovers fans for what happened. This country is getting so caught up with the PC brigade. We won't even be able to sing in grounds in years to come!
I agree, it is f**king pathetic, people are having a go at that lad for opening a jacket and taking one step forward? I don't give a f**k if he was flagging them off all game and shaking his fist. Whole country has turned into a right set of moaning mincers.
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I was in Dr Brown's before KO and as I have said in another thread, there was a good atmosphere by Rovers fans, but I did see a group of Police officers go in there when said Rovers group were singing at them, but I just assumed it was to calm things down a bit...as I didn't see them walking out with anyone.
I did walk to the ground a minute after the Police went back into their van, so don't know what happened after about 2.15
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Alan Southstand wrote:
Well, for my part, I got wrapped up in the activities outside the ground, through no fault of my own - I was simply trying to get on my bus. There were some right 'heavies' from Boro, just smacking anyone who got within arm swinging range, including a guy carrying his 8 year old son away from the danger area. Anyone got it - no prisoners. If this is what's called 'policing' at football matches, then I'm glad I don't work for the police. It was difficult to know whether you were safer on the bus, or off it - I took the 'off it' route, as did most of our bus.
We're not talking about bits of kids here either - most of them ran a mile when they could see what they were up against. The Boro heavies were guys in their late 20's up to (I would have to guess) late 40's. And they were big lads/men and all spoiling for a right set-to. I'd guess most of them were high on something as they were all wide eyed and pumped up.
It must have taken a good 15-20 minutes for any police to arrive and when they did (on horseback) they scattered the Boro fans all over the place. It was then all over. The stewards stood back and watched, in the main - big hard men that they were! It seemed to kick off outside because the Boro 'fans' were smacking anyone who tried to get on the first bus in the line of busses outside (ours was 2nd in line fortunately). It was utter chaos (as these things usually are) and I have to say, although the stewards tried to keep the different factions apart, they were as much use as a chocolate fireguard.
Not good and there ought to be serious repurcussions on Middlesborough for this. Little or no protection for innocent fans - other then to take the option of keeping well away - is not really on. From what I saw, the Doncaster fans retaliated, rather than started anything - some lads taking to holding a metal barrier in place so that people could get on their bus without being assaulted.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Alan Southstand wrote:
Well, for my part, I got wrapped up in the activities outside the ground, through no fault of my own - I was simply trying to get on my bus. There were some right 'heavies' from Boro, just smacking anyone who got within arm swinging range, including a guy carrying his 8 year old son away from the danger area. Anyone got it - no prisoners. If this is what's called 'policing' at football matches, then I'm glad I don't work for the police. It was difficult to know whether you were safer on the bus, or off it - I took the 'off it' route, as did most of our bus.
We're not talking about bits of kids here either - most of them ran a mile when they could see what they were up against. The Boro heavies were guys in their late 20's up to (I would have to guess) late 40's. And they were big lads/men and all spoiling for a right set-to. I'd guess most of them were high on something as they were all wide eyed and pumped up.
It must have taken a good 15-20 minutes for any police to arrive and when they did (on horseback) they scattered the Boro fans all over the place. It was then all over. The stewards stood back and watched, in the main - big hard men that they were! It seemed to kick off outside because the Boro 'fans' were smacking anyone who tried to get on the first bus in the line of busses outside (ours was 2nd in line fortunately). It was utter chaos (as these things usually are) and I have to say, although the stewards tried to keep the different factions apart, they were as much use as a chocolate fireguard.
Not good and there ought to be serious repurcussions on Middlesborough for this. Little or no protection for innocent fans - other then to take the option of keeping well away - is not really on. From what I saw, the Doncaster fans retaliated, rather than started anything - some lads taking to holding a metal barrier in place so that people could get on their bus without being assaulted.
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graingrover wrote:
The beautiful side of the last 10 years has been our trips to the Conference grounds where you could enjoy the day . If this is what it is going to be now I am out! I think that rather than just state an apology for lack of editorial control Steve Uttley and the club should make a substantail gesture to a Middlesboro choosen charity .It is unthinkable to allow an official FC site to publish such inflammatory stuff. Sure the hooligans have no excuses to behave badly but if we give them one then we are as stupid as they are criminal.
Football clubs have a responsibility in society whether they care to accept it or not.
So it never kicked off once in the Conference then?
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bobjimwilly wrote:
redbrez wrote:
wouldn't blame anyone for the trouble apart from outside where was the police? and for fans saying the rovers fans causing the trouble are faces that they have never seen before is crap i don't make many away games but i recognised most of the faces and just because they had no shirts on don't make them any worse a fan than them with shirts on ,these same fans i saw at the wolves game and caused no bother.those fans at the front holding back the boro or even fighting with the boro may get a bad name but what if they weren't holding back the boro fans and they came running into the middle of the rovers lot with kids and the elderly.i don't condone football violence but i wont slag of our own fans i think in a sick way iam glad these ddr boys were their it could of been worse if they weren't their but just imo. what made me laugh was the amount of fans just standing back and watching me included for a while,and most around my age thinking not getting involved but if they come over to where we are it will be a case of lets get ready to rumble..
i was with my lad who is nine and i thought this might put him off but he enjoyed it in a sick way and thought it was cool when the police horses dispersed the boro fans.
Good bit of parenting that. How did you know he thought it was cool? Did you say \"look son, look at the horses running over the boro fans, int that cool?\". \"Yes dad, that's so cooool!\". \"You're right son, it is cool.\"
I think all kids in Donny should be brought up this way!... :blink:
I am pretty sure most kids found it cool, the kid that took that video obviosuly did regardless of what the older people were saying in the background. Things like that are going to excite kids when they are far enough away from the immediate danger.
Your judgement of Redbrez as glorifying the situation to his son is pure fcuking ignorance.
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It's quite alarming that some people are justifying what went on yesterday as 'acceptable'. I was in the area of the ground close to the away fans, and what started as 'banter' was escalated due to a group on our side of the fence.
I may have different values but to me, this sort of behaviour is not acceptable and is not welcome by the majority of Rovers fans.
If some if these 30, 50 and 50 something 'men' want to turn the clock back, then I suggest they go to Elland Road where their behaviour will not look out of place.
Doncaster Rovers have moved on. What was a good day (apart from the result) was ruined by these individuals who claim to be Rovers fans ??
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DonnyBazR0ver wrote:
It's quite alarming that some people are justifying what went on yesterday as 'acceptable'. I was in the area of the ground close to the away fans, and what started as 'banter' was escalated due to a group on our side of the fence.
I may have different values but to me, this sort of behaviour is not acceptable and is not welcome by the majority of Rovers fans.
If some if these 30, 50 and 50 something 'men' want to turn the clock back, then I suggest they go to Elland Road where their behaviour will not look out of place.
Doncaster Rovers have moved on. What was a good day (apart from the result) was ruined by these individuals who claim to be Rovers fans ??
I agree. People should be having more of a go at these idiots, who should know better. At least with Mr Croft and co you can put it down to them being silly little kids giving it the big I am. Not that this should let them of the hook.
What got my back up was when these older blokes tried to get other Rovers fans to join them in charging Boro fans while in the ground. Shurely they could have been evicted for inciting the crowd?
I think we should now put this to bed and not give these fools the satisfaction of writing any more about them!
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i bet my last dollar that pc's patterson,brookshaw,evans and baker are all kicking
them sens to death at not been present at boro v donny game.
from reading through the lines looks like fans/lads or misters from both sides
took full addvantage of 'no police presence'
if there had been bobbys dotted here and there nowt would have gone off.
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DonnyBazR0ver wrote:
I may have different values but to me, this sort of behaviour is not acceptable and is not welcome by the majority of Rovers fans.
100% agreed - it is not acceptable behaviour.
For any kids to find it cool is extremely ditrubing, kids love cool things and love to do cool things, if they are of the opinion fighting and abuse at football matches is cool, then there are serious concerns there.
Parents of these kids who find people kicking seven bells out of each other cool, should be doing everything in their power to explain xactly why it isnt 'cool', and why it is infact deplorable and shows nothing bu the individuals concerned to be neanderthals of the highest degree.
I know one thing, my kids would not find fighting 'cool' or 'acceptable', they are being brought up with better values than that.
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oslorovers, baker was there actually, it was boro's no police policy that led to the lack of police presence in and around the ground.As for those fighting outside it was in retaliation to being provoked. One who took his son with him and not looking for trouble was smacked while his son was on his shoulders,i sugest some people get off their high horse and try gather the facts before they call people idiots,thugs,etc.I presume some of you with the high morals weren't around in the 70/80's/ Oh the good old days.By the way im 41yrs old and i was a hooligan back then, so go on slag me off i dont give a toss what you say.
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Doctor Browns before KO was, erm, loud. Then a bunch of Boro decided to walk right in the middle of the 'mob' only to be confronted by chants of \"D D DDR\", at which point it all got abit messy. If the Boro fans piped down and didn't decide to walk right into the middle nothing would have happened. Police were very harsh, taking the majority back to the train station, despite the fact it was provoked by the Boro fans invading.
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duggiesmyhero wrote:
oslorovers, baker was there actually, it was boro's no police policy that led to the lack of police presence in and around the ground.As for those fighting outside it was in retaliation to being provoked. One who took his son with him and not looking for trouble was smacked while his son was on his shoulders,i sugest some people get off their high horse and try gather the facts before they call people idiots,thugs,etc.I presume some of you with the high morals weren't around in the 70/80's/ Oh the good old days.By the way im 41yrs old and i was a hooligan back then, so go on slag me off i dont give a toss what you say.
The sad thing is you sound so proud of it.
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Oh and by the way. People need to chill out. These lads on the coaches etc are real fans, and attended the match, and have done since the dark days. For people who write on here to say that they aren't true supporters is pathetic, paticularly when they didn't actually go to the game.
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if they think that was trouble hope you have not got tickets for the spurs game because if there is trouble with spurs them lads dont back down to no one.
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Erm, yeah. I didn't mention the fact that coins/bottles and punches etc were thrown by both sets of fans. Messy.
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Thinwhiteduke wrote:
DonnyBazR0ver wrote:
I may have different values but to me, this sort of behaviour is not acceptable and is not welcome by the majority of Rovers fans.
100% agreed - it is not acceptable behaviour.
For any kids to find it cool is extremely ditrubing, kids love cool things and love to do cool things, if they are of the opinion fighting and abuse at football matches is cool, then there are serious concerns there.
Parents of these kids who find people kicking seven bells out of each other cool, should be doing everything in their power to explain xactly why it isnt 'cool', and why it is infact deplorable and shows nothing bu the individuals concerned to be neanderthals of the highest degree.
I know one thing, my kids would not find fighting 'cool' or 'acceptable', they are being brought up with better values than that.
I wish i was a perfect dad like you!wish my kids did'nt watch wrestling or films with a bit of action or ben f**king 10!
But then i dont wrap them up in cotton wool and let them experiance things for themselves,aka let them live.
You cant tell me as a kid you never saw fight scenes in films etc and thought cool,its just what kids do like it or not.
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'dugiesmyhero'.....i have no problems whatsoever with your view on this topic
think you must be getting wrong end of the stick, as my post was far from saying
owt of the sort.
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Ayup Oslo it's eric.
Can you PM me your moby number pal lost it for the stag do.
I imagine half the idiots mouthing of on here about there was no trouble in the confrence days never went then.
I'll say no more.
Up the donny.
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hello 'eric' pm you me number fella....
since i dont have much contact with the younger element
i hope you can put them ITK about the piss up round town
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If folks want to scrap, let them. Its better to arrange a meeting point tho, so that innocent by standers don't get caught up in it, especially when missiles are being thrown.
I did say to someone at half time that I bet the Boro fans expect their usual policing out side, but with budget cost now their in the CCC they will be shocked when they walked outside.
They were expecting to come outside to a segregation of cops. It was suicidal, it could ve turned out a lot worse yesterday.
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oslorovers wrote:
hello 'eric' pm you me number fella....
since i dont have much contact with the younger element
i hope you can put them ITK about the p*ss up round town
Got it tar pal.
All younger lot know pal and will be out.
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The Duke wrote:
Ayup Oslo it's eric.
Can you PM me your moby number pal lost it for the stag do.
I imagine half the idiots mouthing of on here about there was no trouble in the confrence days never went then.
I'll say no more.
Up the donny.
You told me you weren't on here.
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BarryEvans wrote:
The Duke wrote:
Ayup Oslo it's eric.
Can you PM me your moby number pal lost it for the stag do.
I imagine half the idiots mouthing of on here about there was no trouble in the confrence days never went then.
I'll say no more.
Up the donny.
You told me you weren't on here.
I said id join. I put a post in unrelated saying i was your dad Royston a few days back.
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The Duke wrote:
BarryEvans wrote:
The Duke wrote:
Ayup Oslo it's eric.
Can you PM me your moby number pal lost it for the stag do.
I imagine half the idiots mouthing of on here about there was no trouble in the confrence days never went then.
I'll say no more.
Up the donny.
You told me you weren't on here.
I said id join. I put a post in unrelated saying i was your dad Royston a few days back.
Doesn't surprise me.
Sea Sea Seasiders.
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cheers barryevans and scarbrook,hit a nerve with me this one but then i thought dont have to justify how i bring up my kid/my lad has manners respectfull and just a nice kid and i have no problems with him saying it was cool yesterday,i am just glad it hasnt put him of football.people can bring their kids up how they want but when i look at my lad iam proud as fcuk and we wont wrap him up in cotton wool cos their is a sh*t evil world out their and he also has to understand that bit of life too but thats just my opinion so get of your high horses bigwilly or whatever your name was and the thinwhiteduke...
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redbrez wrote:
cheers barryevans and scarbrook,hit a nerve with me this one but then i thought dont have to justify how i bring up my kid/my lad has manners respectfull and just a nice kid and i have no problems with him saying it was cool yesterday,i am just glad it hasnt put him of football.people can bring their kids up how they want but when i look at my lad iam proud as fcuk and we wont wrap him up in cotton wool cos their is a sh*t evil world out their and he also has to understand that bit of life too but thats just my opinion so get of your high horses bigwilly or whatever your name was and the thinwhiteduke...
Shouldn't this be on a fooking parenting forum?
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scarbrook wrote:
Thinwhiteduke wrote:
DonnyBazR0ver wrote:
I may have different values but to me, this sort of behaviour is not acceptable and is not welcome by the majority of Rovers fans.
100% agreed - it is not acceptable behaviour.
For any kids to find it cool is extremely ditrubing, kids love cool things and love to do cool things, if they are of the opinion fighting and abuse at football matches is cool, then there are serious concerns there.
Parents of these kids who find people kicking seven bells out of each other cool, should be doing everything in their power to explain xactly why it isnt 'cool', and why it is infact deplorable and shows nothing bu the individuals concerned to be neanderthals of the highest degree.
I know one thing, my kids would not find fighting 'cool' or 'acceptable', they are being brought up with better values than that.
I wish i was a perfect dad like you!wish my kids did'nt watch wrestling or films with a bit of action or ben fcuking 10!
But then i dont wrap them up in cotton wool and let them experiance things for themselves,aka let them live.
You cant tell me as a kid you never saw fight scenes in films etc and thought cool,its just what kids do like it or not.
I wanted to be Bruce Lee as an impressionable young child, must be down to bad parenting :D
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not getting drawn carling,doing some detective work you let something slip today?
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Bet it wasnt his beer!
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Keep on topic lads or start your own topic, trying to keep this forum neat and tidy B)
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redbrez wrote:
not getting drawn carling,doing some detective work you let something slip today?
My cock slipped out the zip, that's about it. And I keep my real ID away for your own protection. One day I will send a sign and give some f**k a surprise.
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a appology wouldnt go a miss mr bobjimwilly..
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Carling whats it like being the man/woman of mystery of the drfc-vcs form.People are pulling there hair out trying to put a true name to you.They even think your a lad called puppy good if you are from your prison cell.
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arsenal of the north as if wrote:
Carling whats it like being the man/woman of mystery of the drfc-vcs form.People are pulling there hair out trying to put a true name to you.They even think your a lad called puppy good if you are from your prison cell.
I'm an ok bloke, was a prick on here as I thought fire with fire. Now I have impulses of making the key board warriors suffer, but I take control of the situation and take a deep breath as its obvious its little boy and old men acting hard here.
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One thing gets me bout Hooligans.Why do they arrange fights over internets or over phone? It seems strange to me
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MattyDRFC wrote:
One thing gets me bout Hooligans.Why do they arrange fights over internets or over phone? It seems strange to me
You really are a toilet aint you.
How else would it be arranged by royal mail and post man pat and his big fat catx, or the tried and tested method of a piece of string and two plastic cups at either end.
I prefer the latter as i hear posty man pat is a police informer.
Whats your thoughts ?
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Matty, don't get involved. We wouldn't want you getting too scared again anyway. Oh dear.
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This is the biggest over reaction ever. I saw everything that happened yesterday and it was no worse than the trouble at mansfield a few years ago and nothing really got mentioned about that its just cause its a big club away. Also i was in the pub doc browns before game and i would say thats the best pre match atmosphere ive seen for ages and set up what was apart from the result a very enjoyable away trip.
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My slow response is due to internet failure over the weekend, I would have thought from the way the fans were sat it would have made more sense to move the Donny fans to the side of the stadium that had enpty seats and easier for segregation due to the high wall.The stewards did not respond quick enough to the trouble and having no police is stupid, especially as the Boro fans sit in the same place every week surely it wasn't just our fans that have problems with those young people in that corner.Its put me off taking my family to away games again, its not something I want my kids to witness thanks.
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Ali, whilst I understand your concerns it is worth noting how many times you've been to matches home and away without even a hint of trouble. Of course that doesn't make it any less intimidating for the kids when something does go off but it would be a shame for them to lose out on so many positive matchday experiences due to the actions of a few thugs in one isolated incident. The fact that this incident has warranted a full 6 pages on the forum highlihgts just how extraordinary it is in the context of the modern game. I know how much you and the family enjoy your football and I hope that we don't lose you from the wider family that is DRFC.
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We were stood at the top of the stand at the end next to the boro fans and to be honest most of those giving it verbals all game from their end were all kids.Dont think it was many of them who were involved outside.Think the boro stewards must not regard them as a threat to any away fans as that little bit of netting certainly would not keep two sets of fans intent on trouble apart.
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Retdon1 wrote:
This is the biggest over reaction ever. I saw everything that happened yesterday and it was no worse than the trouble at mansfield a few years ago and nothing really got mentioned about that its just cause its a big club away. Also i was in the pub doc browns before game and i would say thats the best pre match atmosphere ive seen for ages and set up what was apart from the result a very enjoyable away trip.
It is.
Mansfield in FA cup as I remember it kicked off quite bad. There was fighting on top and underneath the bridge, I had 2 police horses cain it past me and I think someone got half a brick or a big rock through their windscreen.
You couldn't anticipate it was going to kick off and it was just a spur of the moment thing, its happened - END OF. (This goes for the M'boro game).
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After reading the last 4 pages of this topic, some people have wrote that me n my freinds should not be let off the hook for giving it the \"BIG I AM\"
how on earth did we give that impression, we sat where there was seats, and banter was sung at us and oen of my mates responded in a mannor that is \"provactive\" according to some on here, but seriously, most who go to away games and sing and may give the odd hand gesture to away fans will have done more than open up there suit jacket to reveal the rovers badge on his tie, and not have 3 stewards jump on you,
now if you was with a kid who did this and saw all those stewards jump on him, how would you react? some will probably react in the way my brother did, trying to get the stewards off him, okay his actiona were unecessary in trying to push one of the stewards down the stairs, but when i went to the scene, as they forced him down the set of stairs underground by his neck, he had to be sick to prove to the stewards he had enough punishment.
The stewards must have thought they we're big men bullying a little kid, assualting him, and using the tie on his neck to there advantage to choke him, and one steward present who we met on the outside of the ground admitted that he had said when the first stewards approached him that he would follow the stewwards outside, but rather than listening to them they use there force.
anyways back to the point that the stewards thought they we're big and in control kicking a kid out. But when the real men started scrapping outside the ground how big did the stewards feel then? a no nonsense policy inside the ground, but \"kick the f**k outta each other\" one on the outside? and you still come one here and a lot of you say he deserved it, it would be the same as pointing to the rovers badge on your shirt, but his was on his tie, and for opening his jacket he gets that behaviour, yeah that was really understandable behaviour.
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I know Mike but as I get older I tolerate fighting less and less and Spencer is at a very impressionable age, I was trying really hard to hold him back out of the trouble, I won't stop going to home games ever but once in a while we get an away like Saturday and it makes me question whether I should stay away. Whilst visiting Barnsley a few years ago, you probably won't remember Spen I and my six year old nephew got segregated and a few Barnsley fans wanted to do very ungentlemanly things to us that put me off for a while it just brought some of it back, getting caught in the middle Saturday it made me panic a bit. I'll feel differently in a couple of weeks I suppose.
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Another point also to all the do gooders saying there was no trouble in the conference and saying if there was they would wade into the trouble makers. You have short memories first match Dover lads on pitch having a go at the Dover players. Can name numerous other occasions also, where wer eyou lot wading in sorting it all out.
Stick to your key boards.
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ITS A FOOTBALL MATCH!
WHAT DO YOU EXPECT,FARIES DANCING.
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WE-ARE-BEST-IN-YORKSHIRE-1 wrote:
ITS A FOOTBALL MATCH!
WHAT DO YOU EXPECT,FARIES DANCING.
Who chucked you a donut ?
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Mr. Croft, you have made it in the Middlesbrough local rag:
(http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/gazettelive2/aug2009/4/4/a-club-steward-helped-restrain-a-doncaster-fan-901283896.jpg)
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http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/2009/08/24/angry-scenes-following-boro-victory-over-doncaster-84229-24517261/
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i think you will find that isant Mr.Croft and that article sounds like donny fans are getting all the blame, someone on here must have been in contact with the paper
it was the best banter for a long time, but alot of you are bottle jobs, and wont give the banter back, yeah i see your point with the kids watching, it shouldn't of happened, but it is simple dont take them,
you surley wernt expecting to go to the worst place in Britain which as we know is full of chavs, and no banter or anything to happen.
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I am sure JR and the club would be thrilled with that golden nugget of advice about kids seeing trouble at games....
Grand idea, stop the next generation of fans from enjoying the game and following their team so the small minority can abuse each other.... :huh:
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i am absolutely amazed at the suggestion not to take children to games. they are the future of our club.
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DRFCGlover wrote:
i think you will find that isant Mr.Croft and that article sounds like donny fans are getting all the blame, someone on here must have been in contact with the paper
it was the best banter for a long time, but alot of you are bottle jobs, and wont give the banter back, yeah i see your point with the kids watching, it shouldn't of happened, but it is simple dont take them,
you surley wernt expecting to go to the worst place in Britain which as we know is full of chavs, and no banter or anything to happen.
Oh great. Now we have idiots like you stating maybe kids shouldnt go to games.
Here's a better idea. Maybe adults should act like adults and not get into petulant schoolboy fighting antics. Grow up for gods sake - Who the hell are you to suggest kids shouldnt be at football matches?
Id give every single one involved in the childish thuggery, from either side, a life ban.
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DRFCGlover wrote:
i think you will find that isant Mr.Croft and that article sounds like donny fans are getting all the blame, someone on here must have been in contact with the paper
it was the best banter for a long time, but alot of you are bottle jobs, and wont give the banter back, yeah i see your point with the kids watching, it shouldn't of happened, but it is simple dont take them,
you surley wernt expecting to go to the worst place in Britain which as we know is full of chavs, and no banter or anything to happen.
Oh great. Now we have idiots like you stating maybe kids shouldnt go to games.
Here's a better idea. Maybe adults should act like adults and not get into petulant schoolboy fighting antics. Grow up for gods sake - Who the hell are you to suggest kids shouldnt be at football matches?
Id give every single one involved in the childish thuggery, from either side, a life ban.
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i didn't mean it like that, why would i say get rid of the future fans? even though people seemed happy that them that got chucked out that they was out, another wake up call, they are the future fans too, and alot of people was glad that they went. that is killing our future fans too, you pushing them away by saying everything they say is \"pathetic or childish\" and sometimes, there is alot of passion in your team, that when you loose or win in fact there is people who has had a bit to drink gives banter, and sometimes trouble kicks off, stop been a bunch of girls cos i am 100% sure you would not say a single word to the people involved, you only say things on here
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DRFCGlover wrote:
i didn't mean it like that, why would i say get rid of the future fans? even though people seemed happy that them that got chucked out that they was out, another wake up call, they are the future fans too,
No club wants trouble causers as fans - Im sure any club would rather have fewer fans, if that meant leaving behind the knuckle dragging inbreds stuck in the 70's/ 80's, and the little chavs who think its 'cool' to beat up opposition fans.
'Fans' would not want their club facing huge fines/ behind closed door game/ possible points deductions as a result of their childish playground squabbling. No, they aint fans at all, they are thugs.
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Thinwhiteduke, you're talking asif it's only Rovers who have these types of fans. Chill out, don't you realise that this goes off all over the country with most teams, every week. And for you too say that Rovers would rarther have \"fewer fans\" is pathetic. Ok, let's get rid of all the blokes involved, and have more and more innocent fans getting hit.
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DRFCGlover wrote:
stop been a bunch of girls cos i am 100% sure you would not say a single word to the people involved, you only say things on here
Not being flippant but last time I looked I am a girl...so I am allowed to be one ... :)
The bovver boy image of the football fan is hopefully in the past, no club would rejoice in something that brings it's good name into disrepute. Leave the knuckle dragging antics to the European fans.
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this behavior absolutly stinks ;):laugh: :laugh:
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ban·ter
Good-humored, playful conversation.
ban·ter
To speak to in a playful or teasing way.
To exchange mildly teasing remarks.
I wasn't there but from the posts here I wonder if the definition of this word has changed beyond recognition.
This kind of behaviour should never be tolerated or acceptable no matter who 'started it'.
Just my opinion as another girl.
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Master Katesby wrote:
And for you too say that Rovers would rarther have \"fewer fans\" is pathetic.
i am 100% certain that if u said to john ryan or SO'D \"we can fill the ground for you every week, but they would all be trouble causers and start fights and throw coins etc\" they would tell them where to get off.
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Superspy wrote:
Master Katesby wrote:
And for you too say that Rovers would rarther have \"fewer fans\" is pathetic.
i am 100% certain that if u said to john ryan or SO'D \"we can fill the ground for you every week, but they would all be trouble causers and start fights and throw coins etc\" they would tell them where to get off.
Thats what I was trying to get across to the likes of Katesby, but you'll never get it through their skulls.
Of course, the more trouble makers at Rovers matches, the more you drive away the decent fans, with families, who are there for the football and for the Club - not for a punch up.
The Club should take the lead on this, ID those trouble causers an ban them for life - therefore making a statement that Rovers will not tolerate hooligans. Though the likes of Master Katesby and DRFC Glover may disagree, they seem to protest the innocence of the thug element far too strongly - I cannot start to imagine why.
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Certainly a lot of judgements being passed on this thread on both sides of the argument. I think it's necessary to highlight a distinction between the so-called trouble causers and the 'DDR.' Even though it's not something I've ever been involved in or ever wanted to be involved in, I've always had a lot of respect for the 'old school' members of the DDR. Regardless of other activities, a lot of them make up some of our most loyal and committed fans over the years, and when attendances dwindled to the border of three figures, they were still amongst the ones that kept on going. They have their 'other activities' but almost all of the time they are away from the stadium and do not involve or affect the 'mainstream' of supporters in any way at all. The club does not have a bad reputation because of these people, infact the club doesn't have a bad reputation at all.
If the trouble on Saturday started because of a bit of posturing in the crowd then it was a gross over reaction to a bit of banter (that may be stretching the definition to a degree but it generally seemed to be good natured on both sides and added to the atmosphere). Those at the top right corner of the stand where it originated from were just kids, more recently maligned for singing about beans coming out of tins - a far greater offence than winding up a few opposition fans, which is just part of the game. I honestly believe that any situation that ensued was totally and utterly inflamed by the manner in which the stewards chucked one of the kids out. As the article implies, it was unreasonable force for the situation and an abuse of power. This seemed to upset some of the older fans and that's understandable, nobody wants to see a kid getting violently treated by a supposedly responsible adult in a position of some authority.
I didn't witness what happened outside the ground but it sounds an unfortunate chain of events. I gather Middlesbrough have a reputation for behaving badly around the stadium, maybe similar to that section of Swansea fans that tend to hang around The Liberty like a baying mob at the end of the game. Doncaster Rovers, on the other hand, do not have a repuation for trouble in and around the grounds so ask yourself who is most likely to have instigated this sequence of events? It is sad that innocent bystanders, especially families and children, were caught up in it all but I think you have to lay a significant proportion of blame at the doors of a significant minority of Middlesbrough fans, the irresponsible stewards and the lack of police presence thereafter.
Rovers have attracted a large number of kids to form the next generation of fans and long may that continue (let's hope we strengthen the squad as we need to stay in the Championship to maintain their interest - sorry couldn't resist getting that point in). The club is obviously trying to build on a family atmosphere, and one isolated incident for which the opposition should shoulder most of the blame should not change that. If anything I think Rovers are trying to build far too much of a 'nice' atmosphere. Instead of modelling the Keepmoat experience on a trip to the theatre, we should be trying to encourage a hostile atmosphere like that at the Britannia. Violence is not a part of it and nor should it be, but discouraging any engagement and hostility towards the opposition throughout the 90 minutes will result in a very bland and flat atmosphere. That's not what I was hooked on football for initially.
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get over it i say its done in the past move on trouble fill always be at football.It happens at rugby darts cricket ice hockey should i go on hard to find a sport there has never been trouble at.
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Jonathon, very rarely see any bother at the Riverside in the 12 years or so its been open.
Only time there has been any have been Leeds, City and Utd and West Ham. And they were all started by the away fans charging through the police.
If Boro did like a lot of grounds and hold the away fans back for 10 mins there would have been no bother but our safety people prefer to let everyone out together.
CCTV will identify some of the culprits so there may be a few early morning knocks at both Boro and Donny in the near future.
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excellent post Jonathan....lets make the keepmoat as hostile as possible and not the libray its become!
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arsenal of the north as if wrote:
get over it i say its done in the past move on trouble fill always be at football.It happens at rugby darts cricket ice hockey should i go on hard to find a sport there has never been trouble at.
Mods. can we now close this thread, it's getting embarrassing. My God how much more can be said on the matter, the Boro' fans stopped talking about this some time ago!! :blink: :blink:
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I agree with hoola hoop, everybody has there own opinions on the matter, and thats what this forum is about(supposed to be anyway) so lets finish this matter,
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excellent post jonathan, prob the best post out of 7 pages on this subject. If you think sat was bad stay out of town when Boro play down here, same goes for Newcastle home and away,and a few others i can mention.
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Loving the replies get rid of the so thugs. When you lot were running for cover at lets say Chester and the DDR werent expecting any trouble yet it came and stuck up for half you pillocks hiding in the ditches and crying. Happned a good few times yet you all looke dfor a bit of security with the people your saying ban.
Ayup Johnathon, use to live on your street. Guess who ?
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The Duke, so true! Chester and Mansfield, in Division three, could have easily turned messy if it wasn't for the DDR blokes sticking up for their own.
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Master Katesby wrote:
The Duke, so true! Chester and Mansfield, in Division three, could have easily turned messy if it wasn't for the DDR blokes sticking up for their own.
Aint it just pal.
People are very quick to spout rubbish on here of ban them etc, banned myself so heres one for you moaners :woohoo: but when they needed help it was there and a lot of grateful people rang our praises.
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Jonathan wrote:
Certainly a lot of judgements being passed on this thread on both sides of the argument. I think it's necessary to highlight a distinction between the so-called trouble causers and the 'DDR.' Even though it's not something I've ever been involved in or ever wanted to be involved in, I've always had a lot of respect for the 'old school' members of the DDR. Regardless of other activities, a lot of them make up some of our most loyal and committed fans over the years, and when attendances dwindled to the border of three figures, they were still amongst the ones that kept on going. They have their 'other activities' but almost all of the time they are away from the stadium and do not involve or affect the 'mainstream' of supporters in any way at all. The club does not have a bad reputation because of these people, infact the club doesn't have a bad reputation at all.
If the trouble on Saturday started because of a bit of posturing in the crowd then it was a gross over reaction to a bit of banter (that may be stretching the definition to a degree but it generally seemed to be good natured on both sides and added to the atmosphere). Those at the top right corner of the stand where it originated from were just kids, more recently maligned for singing about beans coming out of tins - a far greater offence than winding up a few opposition fans, which is just part of the game. I honestly believe that any situation that ensued was totally and utterly inflamed by the manner in which the stewards chucked one of the kids out. As the article implies, it was unreasonable force for the situation and an abuse of power. This seemed to upset some of the older fans and that's understandable, nobody wants to see a kid getting violently treated by a supposedly responsible adult in a position of some authority.
I didn't witness what happened outside the ground but it sounds an unfortunate chain of events. I gather Middlesbrough have a reputation for behaving badly around the stadium, maybe similar to that section of Swansea fans that tend to hang around The Liberty like a baying mob at the end of the game. Doncaster Rovers, on the other hand, do not have a repuation for trouble in and around the grounds so ask yourself who is most likely to have instigated this sequence of events? It is sad that innocent bystanders, especially families and children, were caught up in it all but I think you have to lay a significant proportion of blame at the doors of a significant minority of Middlesbrough fans, the irresponsible stewards and the lack of police presence thereafter.
Rovers have attracted a large number of kids to form the next generation of fans and long may that continue (let's hope we strengthen the squad as we need to stay in the Championship to maintain their interest - sorry couldn't resist getting that point in). The club is obviously trying to build on a family atmosphere, and one isolated incident for which the opposition should shoulder most of the blame should not change that. If anything I think Rovers are trying to build far too much of a 'nice' atmosphere. Instead of modelling the Keepmoat experience on a trip to the theatre, we should be trying to encourage a hostile atmosphere like that at the Britannia. Violence is not a part of it and nor should it be, but discouraging any engagement and hostility towards the opposition throughout the 90 minutes will result in a very bland and flat atmosphere. That's not what I was hooked on football for initially.
That is the single best thing said in this whole thread. Well done sir
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Boomstick wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
Certainly a lot of judgements being passed on this thread on both sides of the argument. I think it's necessary to highlight a distinction between the so-called trouble causers and the 'DDR.' Even though it's not something I've ever been involved in or ever wanted to be involved in, I've always had a lot of respect for the 'old school' members of the DDR. Regardless of other activities, a lot of them make up some of our most loyal and committed fans over the years, and when attendances dwindled to the border of three figures, they were still amongst the ones that kept on going. They have their 'other activities' but almost all of the time they are away from the stadium and do not involve or affect the 'mainstream' of supporters in any way at all. The club does not have a bad reputation because of these people, infact the club doesn't have a bad reputation at all.
If the trouble on Saturday started because of a bit of posturing in the crowd then it was a gross over reaction to a bit of banter (that may be stretching the definition to a degree but it generally seemed to be good natured on both sides and added to the atmosphere). Those at the top right corner of the stand where it originated from were just kids, more recently maligned for singing about beans coming out of tins - a far greater offence than winding up a few opposition fans, which is just part of the game. I honestly believe that any situation that ensued was totally and utterly inflamed by the manner in which the stewards chucked one of the kids out. As the article implies, it was unreasonable force for the situation and an abuse of power. This seemed to upset some of the older fans and that's understandable, nobody wants to see a kid getting violently treated by a supposedly responsible adult in a position of some authority.
I didn't witness what happened outside the ground but it sounds an unfortunate chain of events. I gather Middlesbrough have a reputation for behaving badly around the stadium, maybe similar to that section of Swansea fans that tend to hang around The Liberty like a baying mob at the end of the game. Doncaster Rovers, on the other hand, do not have a repuation for trouble in and around the grounds so ask yourself who is most likely to have instigated this sequence of events? It is sad that innocent bystanders, especially families and children, were caught up in it all but I think you have to lay a significant proportion of blame at the doors of a significant minority of Middlesbrough fans, the irresponsible stewards and the lack of police presence thereafter.
Rovers have attracted a large number of kids to form the next generation of fans and long may that continue (let's hope we strengthen the squad as we need to stay in the Championship to maintain their interest - sorry couldn't resist getting that point in). The club is obviously trying to build on a family atmosphere, and one isolated incident for which the opposition should shoulder most of the blame should not change that. If anything I think Rovers are trying to build far too much of a 'nice' atmosphere. Instead of modelling the Keepmoat experience on a trip to the theatre, we should be trying to encourage a hostile atmosphere like that at the Britannia. Violence is not a part of it and nor should it be, but discouraging any engagement and hostility towards the opposition throughout the 90 minutes will result in a very bland and flat atmosphere. That's not what I was hooked on football for initially.
That is the single best thing said in this whole thread. Well done sir
Good post Jon, you're getting a thumbs up from me . Make it sterile.......make it boring........make it empty!! That's how I see it.
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Being a resident on Teesside, I have had to endure the glee of the many boro fans that I work with over the result, they did comment on our nice triangular passing moves but without any end product - I had to agree.
Not suprisingly as much time was spent talking about the \"trouble\" as the match. The interesting theme though was not one of blaming the Doncaster fans but the stewards.
Whilst the stewards can't be blamed for throwing coins, bottles or punches after the game, they were singled out for changing the mood of the crowd during the game by their actions.
Amongst those that I talked to was an ex senior steward from the away section who quit because of the way they were managed. As a senior steward he was in the stands and was directed by staff in the control room. He spoke of incidents whereby he would be given an order to eject an identified fan by someone in a remote room even though he stood next to the incident and would know that it was not either warranted or the right thing to do.
The feeling amongst those I spoke with today agreed that Saturday appeared to be one of those incidents. They thought that the banter was nothing out of the ordinary and was harmless until such time as one steward appeared to over-react, overstep his authority and commit assault on a fan. They even went as far as stating that the steward should be identified on the CCTV, sacked from his position of authority and be charged - saying it may send out a message to the few other renagade overzealous stewards that give the majority a bad name.
They also added that the \"Red faction\" of Boro fans in the corner adjacent to the away fans always act the same but are never the subject of intervention by the stewards, instead the stewards choose to interject with away fans and generally the younger ones who don't look like a threat to their good looks.
Perhaps without this incident in the ground, the unfortunate scenes outside after the game may not have come to fruition?
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The Duke wrote:
Ayup Johnathon, use to live on your street. Guess who ?
Did you live on Grove Vale?
I'm not from that street by the way, I lived round the corner, but I'm guessing I know who it is!
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Jonathan wrote:
The Duke wrote:
Ayup Johnathon, use to live on your street. Guess who ?
Did you live on Grove Vale?
I'm not from that street by the way, I lived round the corner, but I'm guessing I know who it is!
Yes pal i did.
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Thought it was you when you mentioned your nickname on another topic the other day!
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Jonathan wrote:
The Duke wrote:
Ayup Johnathon, use to live on your street. Guess who ?
Did you live on Grove Vale?
I'm not from that street by the way, I lived round the corner, but I'm guessing I know who it is!
.................the Duke ?
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but do you like him jonathan?
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hoolahoop wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
The Duke wrote:
Ayup Johnathon, use to live on your street. Guess who ?
Did you live on Grove Vale?
I'm not from that street by the way, I lived round the corner, but I'm guessing I know who it is!
.................the Duke ?
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Long time no see Jon you keeping well ?
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Not bad at all mate, you? Not seen you about in town for a while. Are you still living out on the outskirts of Donny?
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Jonathan wrote:
Not bad at all mate, you? Not seen you about in town for a while. Are you still living out on the outskirts of Donny?
I am yes still out there, had a year out in Spain when i got banned. Not long now and im off it. Will be out in town friday for oslos stag do, may see you.
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bpoolrover wrote:
but do you like him jonathan?
Do you like me ? :blush:
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The Duke wrote:
bpoolrover wrote:
but do you like him jonathan?
Do you like me ? :blush:
Haha, I didn't notice that daft question, this is all getting a bit homo-erotic for my liking! :laugh:
I may be out and about in town on Friday night after work so probably see you all taking over a pub if so!
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Jonathan wrote:
The Duke wrote:
bpoolrover wrote:
but do you like him jonathan?
Do you like me ? :blush:
Haha, I didn't notice that daft question, this is all getting a bit homo-erotic for my liking! :laugh:
I may be out and about in town on Friday night after work so probably see you all taking over a pub if so!
May see you then pal will be a lot out.
Back on topic now for another 7 pages of drivvle by the east stand prawn sarnie crew.
The wovers i mean rovers.