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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: pkt_drfc on May 12, 2010, 10:30:04 am
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http://www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10309~2049709,00.html
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Oh poo.
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Ward it is then :S
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Oh sh1t... Thats bad for the hoops.
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well , if he had ambition he wouldn't have rushed to sign for barnsley.
so quite simply a money thing
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Something makes me wonder if we ever had any intention of signing him.
He has ambition, wants to push on in his career, yet joins a team that finished below us in the league.
Strange.
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So again it seems we've been caught knapping in the transfer market. I cant believe that Barnsley will have offered him much more than we could afford. We really have missed a trick here i feel. M aybe the fact is that we never planned to sign him and the club made him aware of this. I only hope were not left sifting through the dregs in mid july looking for signings. I know it worked out very well in the end this season but i wouldnt rely on this strategy. Its maybe time for the club to start assessing their ambitions i think as sod and his best players arent gonna stick around much longer if this is going to be the scenario every summer.
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Money, simple as that. Good riddance to him. Not long ago he was saying how he liked it here and liked our ambition. Hope he rots over there and regrets leaving. Not many go on to better things when turning us down do they?
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Pity, but assuming the article on the site is correct where it states there were several clubs interested then we probably didn't stand much chance in a bidding war. Whilst thats disappointing I wouldn't have wanted to pay over the odds from him and that hinder a move for Billy, especially as I'd class a striker as more of a priority than a CB at the moment (especially as SOD has aways done well for defenders recently).
Just shows that whilst we do well with loan signings sometimes you can be doing other clubs scouting for them! :S
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And so it begins -
Just remember - IN SOD WE TRUST
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adge wrote:
well , if he had ambition he wouldn't have rushed to sign for barnsley.
so quite simply a money thing
Without him and Sharpe then we would have finished below Barnsley.
Rovers should have signed him now we will have to accept second best.
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Just remember - IN SOD WE TRUST
If the board wont pay up then SOD will suffer.
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love it! sorry but how many times was Shacks injured? maybe another player who thought he was worth more than he was??
why do we always assume that our board has come up short or too late?? have you ever thought that Shacks wanted stupid wages and a stupid contract and our board/Sod/Jr have told him to go jump?? maybe Barnsley have more money than sense?
If Mr Shacks gets injured first game and spends 6 weeks on the injury list you will all be saying thank god we didnt sign him!!
Good player yes...indespensable no way!
remember Wellens and Mills???
just wait till were all singing \"Shackall whats the score\" lol
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Why does everyone always talk as if a deal for billy sharp is so likely! I hope he does sign but id be absolutely gobsmacked if he did. Put it this way, if we cant afford the wages of a decent centre back then how are we to afford the wages and the £1m or so that sheff u will want for sharp? Keeping in mind that last year we recouped about £2.6m on player sales and our only money purchase was Byron Webster for about £100k. Our crowds have also been slightly down this year and we havent had a cup run. we'll be lucky to be able to afford sharp if we sold stock, copps and woods. Not to sound too dispondant like!
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big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:
Money, simple as that. Good riddance to him. Not long ago he was saying how he liked it here and liked our ambition. Hope he rots over there and regrets leaving. Not many go on to better things when turning us down do they?
My feeling exactly. Macca, Greeny, Mills, where are they now? Within touching distance! I suppose Wellens has the chance to be in the PL but whether it happens is anyones guess.
Hope someone cruches him like Doolan did to McFAIL.
I thought it was a nailed-on signing.
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Well, thats my theory of \"Players\" under contract not being able to sign for another club till July 1st blown out.
Not sure if a good or bad thing not to have signed him, time will tell i suppose.
Wonder if JS was one of this close season \"Interesting / Mouthwatering signings\" Gartom hinted at a few weeks back ( as quoted from JR conversation ).
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kybone wrote:
Put it this way, if we cant afford the wages of a decent centre back then how are we to afford the wages and the £1m or so that sheff u will want for sharp?
There's a huge difference between \"can't afford\" and \"won't pay\". I can afford to buy a Mars Bar off you for a fiver but I won't, especially if it means it leaves me with no more [strike]transfer kitty[/strike] money to buy a sandwich.
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irishcontingent wrote:
Well, thats my theory of \"Players\" under contract not being able to sign for another club till July 1st blown out.
They can sign at any point in a season but cannot be registered to play until the window is open.
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big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:
irishcontingent wrote:
Well, thats my theory of \"Players\" under contract not being able to sign for another club till July 1st blown out.
They can sign at any point in a season but cannot be registered to play until the window is open.
Nevermind one door closes another one will open
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Exactly. We'll have a long list of players as we normally do. It was doom and gloom when we sold Mills and we recovered. Plenty to be excited about and a long summer ahead.
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I agree with both sides of this argument, yes Shackell was a good defender and yes i would have been happy to see him sign but is it really that big of a deal!? There will always be another defender like Lee or Mills or Shackell to come in and replace him! SOD will find someone just as good he's proved this time and time again, its all about the system and the some of the parts not about one individual player. My concern is not Shackell but whether SOD really wanted to make this signing permanent or not because if he did and we didn't deliver then that could be a major issue regarding his position as manager.
And to sign for Barnsley of all teams? Come on Shacks get a grip i hope he likes the hoofball style, and trying to spin all this rubbish about \"ambition\" is patronising beyond belief.
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kybone wrote:
Why does everyone always talk as if a deal for billy sharp is so likely! I hope he does sign but id be absolutely gobsmacked if he did. Put it this way, if we cant afford the wages of a decent centre back then how are we to afford the wages and the £1m or so that sheff u will want for sharp?
Have you given any consideration to the thought that we are pushing the boat out to get Sharp and as a consequence cant offer Shacks what he was looking for? SOD has alternative plans. The feeding frenzy of signings is going to accelerate over the coming weeks.
Good luck to Shacks, and thanks for his contribution last season. Told the Barnsley lads here they have a gem.
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The point i was trying to make was that there has been no evidence to suggest thta we can even come close affording sharp. i dont think we could afford his wages or the fee in fact i'v heard sod on radio sheff several times this season dismiss our chances of signing sharp simply by saying that he is out of our league financially. If we were the only team in for him we might stand some sort of chance but that wont be the case and as we've seen before we invariably fail to get our man when other clubs come in.
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Maybe SOD favours Ward next to Martis.
Ward more of a footballer, Martis more of a defender (now that he's got his shaky start out of his system ;) )
I seem to remember Ward turned down a loan to Barnsley so he could come to us.
We'll have to wait and see. Perhaps a transfer fee, signing on fee and competitive wages were a bridge too far. At least Ward is a free agent.
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RobTheRover wrote:
Have you given any consideration to the thought that we are pushing the boat out to get Sharp and as a consequence cant offer Shacks what he was looking for? SOD has alternative plans. The feeding frenzy of signings is going to accelerate over the coming weeks.
Good luck to Shacks, and thanks for his contribution last season. Told the Barnsley lads here they have a gem.
This may well be the problem if we wait around for Sharp and he then decides his future lies elsewhere.
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I think we will be ok WE will sign players what will be better then Shackell and the mighty ROVERS will be in top 6 next season where the dingles will be in the bottom 6 once again showing a player should have stopped with the ROVERS
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I am generally optimistic about what the club will do as things seem to have worked out nicely recently. its some of the posters on here that i was questioning. Those that seem to think that we haven't signed shack because we're saving up for sharp. i dont see it as very likely at all. just because we had him on loan and he liked it. If the club cant make a serious offer for him and to him then their time will be better spent tracking other other more affordable targets.
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http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/page/News/0,,10329~2050358,00.html
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looks like shackell dint want the mighty rovers :( but we still have a chance in signing ward :) hopefully we will
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Bad news, as I think he would have propelled us forwards next season.
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yepp i agree coz hes scored a couple of goals from defence but also is one of the most affective defenders we had.
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Also, Barnsley have released Darren Moore (who was presumably on high wages) so maybe feel that they can push the boat out a bit in signing his replacement.
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he would be a great signing but it just his wages but him and o'conner in the middle would be a great partnership but if roberts leaves we need a good replacement for him aswell.
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gutted :(
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b*llocks :(
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either darren moore or elliot ward for drfc next season.
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crossydrfc wrote:
either darren moore or elliot ward for drfc next season.
Darren Moore ? f**k off. I stand more chance of beating him in a race.
Plus he has signed for Burton Albion.
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Would be interesting to know how the Mick McCarthy - Dingles link worked in all of this - McCarthy being an ex Dingle.
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Unless I see some positive moves in the transfer market soon Im gonna start to get seriously worried about our prospects next season! :(
Shackell - Gone, Sharp rumoured to be on his way to Derby, Roberts likewise, who else hasnt accepted new contracts yet?, How many players do we have on our books right now?
Players arent mugs - with this new money deal from the Premier League filtering down, Players/ Agents are well aware that they can milk Clubs that little bit more in The Championship. We are seriously going to have to re-assess what we NEED to pay out to get some quality in.
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5minstogo wrote:
Something makes me wonder if we ever had any intention of signing him.
He has ambition, wants to push on in his career, yet joins a team that finished below us in the league.
Strange.
When he aggravated that groin injury against Florist I never forgot the look on his face and he stormed down the tunnel without any contact with the bench.I know he may well have just been gutted at the reoccurence of the injury but I could'nt help worrying he was mad at SOD n ROK for playing him too soon after the op.I was shocked when he was named in the team.I thought at the time IF he was angry at SOD n ROK we may never see him in a Rovers shirt again.Its one of the rare occasions that they got a decision wrong and to be fair they admitted that.Did we really want to sign him or are they just saying that we did to try and appease the disappointed fans.I Look on the bright side we had a very decent season despite having long spells without Shackell and without stock.The team coped without them.We've got Shelton who I thought we would not see again and we still might get King Billy and even Gillett?
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BessieBlue wrote:
Would be interesting to know how the Mick McCarthy - Dingles link worked in all of this - McCarthy being an ex Dingle.
Nevermind ex-dingle...Mick McCarthy is a PERMANENT dingle, being that he is born and bred in Barnsley.
This is gutting, Shackell is a great player and for him to turn around and join our local rivals is disappointing. It shows to me that we have problems in the transfer market. He's been here all season yet signs for another club less than 2 weeks after the end of the season. If we keep waiting around we won't sign Sharp, Ward or anyone else and we'll be stuck signing League 2 players to fill our squad, and see where that gets us.
I don't expect we'll be able to sign Ward either...the way SOD carries on in the media you wonder if we have more than 20 quid to chuck at players, and Ward is allegedly on quite a high wage at Coventry.
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Rigoglioso wrote:
Elliot Ward it is then.
I know a lot of people thought Shackell was our best option out of them two, but I always preferred Elliot Ward. Hope we manage to sign him now. It'd be a free transfer and he's absolutely quality!
Is he the same quality has the other players you have championed, Prea, Rigogliso not forgetting the messiah Gareth Taylor
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RoversAlias wrote:
BessieBlue wrote:
Would be interesting to know how the Mick McCarthy - Dingles link worked in all of this - McCarthy being an ex Dingle.
Nevermind ex-dingle...Mick McCarthy is a PERMANENT dingle, being that he is born and bred in Barnsley.
This is gutting, Shackell is a great player and for him to turn around and join our local rivals is disappointing. It shows to me that we have problems in the transfer market. He's been here all season yet signs for another club less than 2 weeks after the end of the season. If we keep waiting around we won't sign Sharp, Ward or anyone else and we'll be stuck signing League 2 players to fill our squad, and see where that gets us.
I don't expect we'll be able to sign Ward either...the way SOD carries on in the media you wonder if we have more than 20 quid to chuck at players, and Ward is allegedly on quite a high wage at Coventry.
He can only spend the money given him by the board we did not sign quality last summer apart eventually Oster and we might lose out with him. We signed Martis for a £50,000 fee so £500,000 is out of our league. Billy Sharp will also be out of our league unless its aloan. JR and the board will say we are working with in our budget to keep on a stable footing. If so then lets not keep saying we are aiming for the playoffs the two do not match.
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Well exactly. No point raising everyones hopes and expectations if it isn't a realistic possibility. Everything JR has promised in the past has come true though...maybe this is just one step too far.
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quite gutted about this but i thought he might go to a bigger team than dingles, disapionting we couldnt get out the blocks earlier and sign him
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I`m rather pissed off by this, is it going to be another close season of dithering again. We`ve had no word about whether any of the contract offers have been renewed!
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I'm not worried in the slightest. I trust Sean O'Driscoll 100% but if we end up getting relegated then it was fun while it lasted. You can't complain really. We have overachieved massively in the last few years and it won't go on forever.
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Drover wrote:
5minstogo wrote:
Something makes me wonder if we ever had any intention of signing him.
He has ambition, wants to push on in his career, yet joins a team that finished below us in the league.
Strange.
When he aggravated that groin injury against Florist I never forgot the look on his face and he stormed down the tunnel without any contact with the bench.I know he may well have just been gutted at the reoccurence of the injury but I could'nt help worrying he was mad at SOD n ROK for playing him too soon after the op.I was shocked when he was named in the team.I thought at the time IF he was angry at SOD n ROK we may never see him in a Rovers shirt again.Its one of the rare occasions that they got a decision wrong and to be fair they admitted that.Did we really want to sign him or are they just saying that we did to try and appease the disappointed fans.I Look on the bright side we had a very decent season despite having long spells without Shackell and without stock.The team coped without them.We've got Shelton who I thought we would not see again and we still might get King Billy and even Gillett?
do you not read anything rovers related!
shackell was the one who declared himself fit for that game not SOD or ROK
shackell made the decision SOD regretted it but he has always let the player make the decision over their own fitness
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Smeg wrote:
I'm not worried in the slightest. I trust Sean O'Driscoll 100% but if we end up getting relegated then it was fun while it lasted. You can't complain really. We have overachieved massively in the last few years and it won't go on forever.
i trust sod to but do you trust the board now they have your season ticket money
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Well thats a great start in getting the wavering fans to buy a season ticket for next season!
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I'm not surprised. Anyone who thought we had a chance of signing Sharp or Shackell needs a realty check. season ticket sales will be down on last season which means the budget Sod gets will be less for next season.
IMO we will have to try out best with free transfers and loan signings and see where that gets us. We need to accept we are bottom of the league when it comes to how much we can spend on players. Scunthorpe and Blackpool can afford to spend more on transfer fees.
I don't believe the club has any ambitions apart from to get by if they can in this league by spending as little as possible. that's fair enough.
Next season will be the biggest struggle so far IMO
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pkt_drfc wrote:
I think we will be ok WE will sign players what will be better then Shackell and the mighty ROVERS will be in top 6 next season where the dingles will be in the bottom 6 once again showing a player should have stopped with the ROVERS
I cant see many defenders out there being better than Shackel;he was quality.
And you say the Dingles will be down there? I think they will have a good season now that Robins has a chance to bring in his own players.
Weren't our fans (last summer) saying that Forest would struggle when we were arm wrestling with the Forest fans over Mills?
It only takes a couple of good signings to make real progression, in this league.
I really liked Shackel, and it has saddened me that he has left especially as he has left to go to the Dingles :(
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Rigoglioso wrote:
Elliot Ward it is then.
I know a lot of people thought Shackell was our best option out of them two, but I always preferred Elliot Ward. Hope we manage to sign him now. It'd be a free transfer and he's absolutely quality!
Elliot Ward might yet find himself back in favour at Coventry (Depending on who their new manager is) so i wouldn't start counting chickens just yet.
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What I find most depressing is the continual statements from O'Driscoll like the one about Shackell :
\"he was a £500,000 buy from Norwich - so that transfer fee puts it well out of our transfer capabilities.\"
That's either really shrewd spin and storytelling or we really haven't got 2 pennies to rub together :(
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I said all along on season tickets that if the fans didn't buy then the signings would not come. The fans as yet haven't bought in great numbers and subsequently neither will the signings. It's tough luck and we'll have to accept it, simple as that. Barnsley had 10,000 season ticket holders last year and they've probably had more renew, it's tough luck but that's life.
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sorry but luck has nothing to do with it.
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A bit pedantic, it's a phrase. In essence it is a fact of life we will have to deal with, no point complaining when half the fans have not been able to put their hands in their pockets. Everyone has their own reasons and it's not a criticsm it's a fact.
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topnotch_Donny wrote:
pkt_drfc wrote:
I think we will be ok WE will sign players what will be better then Shackell and the mighty ROVERS will be in top 6 next season where the dingles will be in the bottom 6 once again showing a player should have stopped with the ROVERS
I cant see many defenders out there being better than Shackel;he was quality.
And you say the Dingles will be down there? I think they will have a good season now that Robins has a chance to bring in his own players.
Weren't our fans (last summer) saying that Forest would struggle when we were arm wrestling with the Forest fans over Mills?
It only takes a couple of good signings to make real progression, in this league.
I really liked Shackel, and it has saddened me that he has left especially as he has left to go to the Dingles :(
Comfortably the best post on this thread in my opinion. When Shackell came in, the general thought was \"Who needs Mills?\" and let's not forget how good Mills was. I thought in his spell for us Shackell was outstanding, and off the top of my head I can't recall seeing a better centre half than him last season. I wasn't expecting him to come here next year, but let's not kid ourselves and pretend that him joining Barnsley isn't a blow.
And then there's Barnsley themselves. They've got a decent manager, weren't a bad side last year - in fact until that poor spell before and after we visited Oakwell they looked like a late play-off candidate. Plus they might have a bit of money to throw around this year. It's sheer delusion to say we WILL be top 6, Barnsley WILL be bottom 6. Sad truth is, unless we can find a few gems a la Oster and Shackell himself, we could well find ourselves in the bottom three. But f@ck it, I'm going to enjoy the ride all the way!
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There will be plenty of good centre backs going around for free. Im sure if you look around the championship teams there are examples where these freebies are successful. We will just find another, probably Ward although I didnt think he was that good in his loan spell.
Shackell is absolute quality, no doubt about it but he seems a bit injury prone.
Thats 2 decent signings for the dingles, looks like they mean business. I hope we dont leave things too long like we normally do.
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The shambolic way the season tickets were advertised hasn't helped selling them, and what incentive to the undecided few now when it is fast becoming clear we've got bugger all money to make any signings with.
JR, gartom etc can bang on with the hype all summer long again, but it won't wash I'm afraid. That's not a dig, I just wish the board would be honest. SOD has confirmed we can't afford anywhere near 500k. Why don't the board just confirm the situation so we don't get our hopes up again.
big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:
I said all along on season tickets that if the fans didn't buy then the signings would not come. The fans as yet haven't bought in great numbers and subsequently neither will the signings. It's tough luck and we'll have to accept it, simple as that. Barnsley had 10,000 season ticket holders last year and they've probably had more renew, it's tough luck but that's life.
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The shambolic way the season tickets were advertised hasn't helped selling them, and what incentive to the undecided few now when it is fast becoming clear we've got bugger all money to make any signings with.
JR, gartom etc can bang on with the hype all summer long again, but it won't wash I'm afraid. That's not a dig, I just wish the board would be honest. SOD has confirmed we can't afford anywhere near 500k. Why don't the board just confirm the situation so we don't get our hopes up again.
big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:
I said all along on season tickets that if the fans didn't buy then the signings would not come. The fans as yet haven't bought in great numbers and subsequently neither will the signings. It's tough luck and we'll have to accept it, simple as that. Barnsley had 10,000 season ticket holders last year and they've probably had more renew, it's tough luck but that's life.
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Surely we decided that we didn't want/need or couldn't afford Shackel.
His agent must have wanted to give Rovers a chance after his time spent here to push his own percentage up; as much as he maybe didn't want to come we also surely didn't think that he was worth the asking price.
The only people who know what we valued him at are our management team and board, plous obviously Shackel and his agent. I'm gutted at the message it sends out more than missing out on Shacks. :(. Still we've seen it all before. :) Early days yet lads.
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MrFrost, I fear for your health if you are this stressed out after less than 2 weeks after the season ended. Chillax - did SOD and JR not come through for us the last 3 seasons? They'll do it again.
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I worry who's going to fund the gap when the average attendance drops by a couple of thousand.
I do wish people wouldn't start the hype though.
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I fear we may end up losing several players to other clubs who have managed to evaluate the risks/returns of investment.
My unwavering faith in our club is really starting to take a beating.
Will SOD continue to accept being the poor relation of the championship sadly I fear not.
Come on board members prove me wrong
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big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:
Money, simple as that. Good riddance to him. Not long ago he was saying how he liked it here and liked our ambition. Hope he rots over there and regrets leaving. Not many go on to better things when turning us down do they?
Bit harsh.
Footballers have a short career and are stupid if they don't maximise their earnings. It's hardly like we're a massively bigger club than Barnsley is it? If he looks back over his career when he retires, he'd be more pleased with the thought of \"I've got plenty of money in the bank\" than the thought of \"I chose Doncaster Rovers over a similar sized club, and ended up earning less.\"
If two similar employers offered you a job, you'd choose the one with the higher pay. Everybody would.
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Bang on James.
If a competitor asked me if I wanted to go work for them for more money, I wouldn't think twice. You have to look after yourself in this world, and earn what you can, whilst you can. I don't blame footballers for following the money, of course they are going to, I blame those who have created football as we know it today, mainly Sky!
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I don't find it disappointing that he chose to chose to earn more money elsewhere, its understandable. I do find it disappointing that we can't compete financially with clubs in this league, even the smaller ones like Barnsley. I guess that we'll have to accept this as long as were in this league as the main priority is to remain financially sound. Even so it is still disheartening to watch our top transfer target sign for our local rivals so I can understand others' concerns and frustration.
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To be fair, I can understand why people are frustrated. But in all honesty, there isn't much that us or the club can do about Shackell choosing Barnsley.
We had all this doom and gloom when we lost Mills last year, and we ended up finding a replacement. It is a setback, but it's not like Shackell was the only defender available to us. If people are going to write us off every time we lose a player then I might have to take a break from reading this forum every summer. We have to accept that we are a small fish in a big pond, and we will have our players and potential signings nicked from under our noses every transfer window whilst we are in this division, so we have to get used to it, and trust that JR and Sean will find a solution (as they have done every year they've been here, without fail.)
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What's happened to the additional £1.5 - £1.75 million we will earn this year from the restructuring of the parachute payments/ payments to Championship clubs? is this immediately going to be swallowed up by the wage bill?
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bedale rover wrote:
Drover wrote:
5minstogo wrote:
Something makes me wonder if we ever had any intention of signing him.
He has ambition, wants to push on in his career, yet joins a team that finished below us in the league.
Strange.
When he aggravated that groin injury against Florist I never forgot the look on his face and he stormed down the tunnel without any contact with the bench.I know he may well have just been gutted at the reoccurence of the injury but I could'nt help worrying he was mad at SOD n ROK for playing him too soon after the op.I was shocked when he was named in the team.I thought at the time IF he was angry at SOD n ROK we may never see him in a Rovers shirt again.Its one of the rare occasions that they got a decision wrong and to be fair they admitted that.Did we really want to sign him or are they just saying that we did to try and appease the disappointed fans.I Look on the bright side we had a very decent season despite having long spells without Shackell and without stock.The team coped without them.We've got Shelton who I thought we would not see again and we still might get King Billy and even Gillett?
do you not read anything rovers related!
shackell was the one who declared himself fit for that game not SOD or ROK
shackell made the decision SOD regretted it but he has always let the player make the decision over their own fitness
So do you take everything the Rovers management says as Gospel?If you do then more fool you.
And Actually SOD said he declared himself fit.Where did you hear shackell himself declare himself fit?
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MrFrost wrote:
I just wish the board would be honest. SOD has confirmed we can't afford anywhere near 500k. Why don't the board just confirm the situation so we don't get our hopes up again.
I agree to a point, although I'd question why anybody would get their hopes up about us having bold intentions in the transfer market, it's abundantly clear that is not the case and we rely on a very talented manager to work his magic in the loan and/or 'free' transfer market. Oster had it bang on in his Yorkshire Sport interview this weekend when he said that the board needed to decide what the plan was, either potter about plugging gaps and hoping for the best, or make a statement and bring in the likes of Sharp and Shackell (he directly referred to the two). As he said, a statement of intent would persuade others to sign.
As it is, we've lost out on Shackell and Roberts is on the verge of going too. I think Oster will go, Sharp won't sign and I'd be very surprised if the likes of Stock, Coppinger and O'Connor committed to signing new contracts at the present time - which could mean they're up for sale. Some people will say that is an incredibly negative perspective but I would call it realistic and we'll see how far off the mark I am in the coming months, if I'm wrong I'll hold my hands up.
We could still do okay providing we retain the services of the management, as they have shown they can pull a few rabbits out of hats to plug the gaps, but they will undoubtedly attract interest elsewhere if they keep doing it.
We had another amazing season this season but the chances of 'doing a Blackpool' are minimal as we are less likely to make our impressive loan signings permanent and add to them. Hopefully we can cobble together enough players to enjoy another season as successful as this one, as we should be totally clear on the fact that it was a big success for us.
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With you with that Jonathan. Is the yearly mouth watering statement a ploy to keep us sweet? Yes.
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With you with that Jonathan. Is the yearly mouth watering statement a ploy to keep us sweet? Yes.
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Why do you post the same thing a few minutes later?
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Posting from an iPhone. It tends to submit numerous times on it's own accord.
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DRFC85 wrote:
What's happened to the additional £1.5 - £1.75 million we will earn this year from the restructuring of the parachute payments/ payments to Championship clubs? is this immediately going to be swallowed up by the wage bill?
You would expect so. As all the Championship clubs will be getting this, it is pretty irrelevant when comparing spending power for one club against another. But as the players and the players agents know that all clubs are going to have a bigger budget, you can be sure they will be adding a few more £k's to their wage demands.
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It never seems to happen with my iphone, I wonder if it`s something in your settings?
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It's a known bug. No fix as yet.
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Well that was my first choice priority signing gone.
With the speed of the announcement there doesn't seem to have been any doubt in Shackell's mind, so you have to assume we were not even in the ball park financially.
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DonnyBazR0ver wrote:
Well that was my first choice priority signing gone.
With the speed of the announcement there doesn't seem to have been any doubt in Shackell's mind, so you have to assume we were not even in the ball park financially.
SOD's first choice as well, according to the DFP. We had a bid accepted but couldn't match the terms offered by Barnsley.
On to Mr Ward then? B)
http://www.thestar.co.uk/rovers/O39Driscoll-39frustrated39-over-Shackell.6291702.jp
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Drat and double drat.
Oh well, it seems we (the club) didn't rate him that highly as we would not match his demands. One has to consider, the lad was plagued with injuries last season (once it started). Even when he played, he would often have to walk off/be substituted by his own say so. The pessimist in me says we have lost a cracking player. The optimist in me tells me he will be injured too much and we have been lucky not to sign him. Time will tell.
One has also got to consider, that Shackell was virtually unheard of by 9/10ths of the Rovers fans, before Sean brought him here. I would draw a similar comparison to Mills and Ward. To say there is nothing out there or there will be nothing good out there is ludicrous. We have a good track record of spotting good talent and I'm convinced that SOD/ROK/MW et al have a network and knowledge of nearly all the players who tick boxes and get known throughout the footballing nation.
Tis a bitter blow, and a bitter pill to chew on, but the CCC season is still being played, as is L1 and L2. We have this every year, of posters panicking and pre-guessing the intentions/or lack of ambition of the board, the manager...their finances....choosing players for them etc etc. All good stuff for the forum....but worth noting we have not been let down yet and at the start of each season we have always looked strong and got stronger as each season as wore on.
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From the Yorkshire Post
Chairman John Ryan last night stressed the need for Rovers to stay in control of their finances, saying: \"We made a very substantial offer for Jason but we are not prepared to go beyond our financial limitations. Barnsley must have deeper pockets than us.\"
Nothing to do with not rating him too highly, we couldn't compete end of, lets stop being so bitter and move on to another target, its not the end of the world.
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The facts are, Cussie, that we bid for him and we tried to sign him, and SOD told us we just couldn't compete with what he was offered (by Barnsley - not Man Utd, by the way!). This can only be seen as an early set-back to our 'strengthening' plans for next season (we are assuming that's what we are supposed to be doing as that is what we've been told by the Board).
I don't doubt, for one second, that there are other CB's out there, but will they 'fit in' and will they be as good(?), seeing as we can't afford our first choice and the type of quality that SOD desires? Don't forget, he played for us, for most of last season and we had most of our clean sheets, whilst he was in the team. I'm sure BST will correct me if I'm wrong on that one.
You're right, it's a bitter pill to swallow and just at a time when people are dithering about purchasing their season tickets for next season. Speaking of which, I genuinley think that people are generally holding back paying out until they see what signings we make this summer, as last summer was so dissapointing. This summer is, if anything, going to be worse, with so many of our first team players being out of contract.
Its down to the Club to show their hand.
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CusworthRovers wrote:
but worth noting we have not been let down yet and at the start of each season we have always looked strong and got stronger as each season as wore on.
Not sure when we went to Watford on the opening day I thought that we looked stronger with Locky and Spicer in place of Mills and Wellens respectively!
I maintain we are at the crossroads in our history. The board have the oppurtunity to make a statement of intent, not to the other sides in the league, but to our own fans who buy season tickets and the players currently here e.g. Stock and O'Connor who want to go as far as they can with us.
However if we just admit we can't sign X, Y, Z, then they'll want to go too because we can't match their ambitions.
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Fee agreed, but not wage to player, so assume 6K a week offer from DRFC, Barnsley offer 9K a week, over 3 year contract that would amount to circa 500 season tickets per season. Seems a bit Pauperish from DRFC.
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At the end of the day, we can bid and offer wages to Puyol or Terry. We can only work within our budget and players will either come on that basis or they'll chase the money elsewhere.
I appreciate, and we all can agree on here, that there have been mixed messages from all at the club concerning one thing or another. The one true message that has held firm over the last few years is the boards insistance that we will only work within our budget. We should all know this and accept this to be the proverbial FACT. Now we can accept that and expect the calibre of player that fits that criteria.....or....we can frustrate ourselves by demanding the board spend spend spend or demand the calibre of player that wants to bust our financial capabilities.
My point is, why frustrate yourselves, get yourselves all uptight.....when you already know what the club have said, and will no doubt do/not do.
Incidentally, I feel there are good signings to be had and will come. Yes, we missed one that was eventually out of our range of what we could afford, but I'm happy that there will be others.
As for Barnsley, as has been pointed out they have sold twice as many ST's as us, thus far.....that gives them a little more clout financially. Probably enough to land the likes of Shackell. I'm also convinced that had we sold 8000 ST's by today, we would have Shack here no problemo
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Can you blame him? bigger stadium, more fans, bigger club, better history. As o driscoll has said you cant match us because of expectations and financially.
And yer you can say you finished above us last 2 seasons, but thats the first time in years you have even been close too us and it is only 1 game u have finished above us.
All because we were under Simon Davey, now things are to change under robins.
He was never your player anyway, im sure he would rather play at oakwell than shitmoat
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The problem as i see it, is the messages convayed to us supporters from JR via Gartom.
After the \"Mouthwatering\" of season before last, toward back end of the season just ended Gareth conveyed a similar message from JR, hinting that this close season certain signings would be brought in which i think Gareth described as \"interesting\".
Im sure each and everyone on here thought that one would be JS, almost everyone will have hoped one would be BS, and a couple more \"Surprises\".
Well JS has gone, looks like BS will go elsewhere, and one of the surprises would appear to be the departure of one of our most consistant performers.
I dont doubt for one moment that The \"Board\" and management have many players in mind for various positions, but it appears that irrespective of the increased finances coming to the club, that once more DRFC revert to Aldi and netto shopping, instead of Tesco and Asda.
I really dont know what \"saying\" to apply to DRFC. \"Speculate to accumulate\" would be nice, but i think a SOD one seems appropriate \"If you stand still you go backward\".
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By that analogy Mr Contingent ;) we do shop at Aldi. In this League we have shopped there for the last 2 seasons and will continue to shop there for the next one at least.
Like I said, once you get used to that fact. The pains are more bearable.
I don't think we have stood still neither, and we have progressed nicely, even when shopping at Aldi
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Sean has a budget he has to work to and he has to prioriitise.
Who's to know If he had really wanted Shack perhaps he could have upped the offer to compete with the dingles but maybe he thought I can get Ward or someone else anyway and use the money elsewhere?
I'm afraid building a stable squad each year is always going to be difficult for us in this division. I trust Seans judgement to find the bargains and bring in the right loan signings Rovers need every summer.
There's one hard fact here, Rovers won't be held to ransom by agents.
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Gateway and Co-op maybe , not Aldi Lidl and Netto. Oh thanks for the Mr Contingent and the Icon. I like that. B)
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shackelljoinbiggerclub wrote:
Can you blame him? bigger stadium, more fans, bigger club, better history. As o driscoll has said you cant match us because of expectations and financially.
And yer you can say you finished above us last 2 seasons, but thats the first time in years you have even been close too us and it is only 1 game u have finished above us.
2004/5 L1 Rovers 10th Barnsley 13th,Do some research before spouting,P#llock.
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Jim Dobbin wrote:
From the Yorkshire Post
Chairman John Ryan last night stressed the need for Rovers to stay in control of their finances, saying: \"We made a very substantial offer for Jason but we are not prepared to go beyond our financial limitations. Barnsley must have deeper pockets than us.\"
Nothing to do with not rating him too highly, we couldn't compete end of, lets stop being so bitter and move on to another target, its not the end of the world.
This is the same scenario has Gareth Roberts:-
\"We are aware of the figures that Derby are prepared to go to and we are not in the same league,\" O'Driscoll said.
\"It would be very difficult for the player to turn that down.\"
We are in the same league but we cannot afford players in this league. Lets wait and see if we can afford League two players!!! Wages have moved on since we could, yet our budget has not, although we are told different:-
Average £3000 per week X 20 players X 52 weeks =£3,120,000
Leaves another mythical £2,880,000 for players to get a wage bill of £6,000,000
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Before the Swansea game the noises coming from the club were that Shackell was desperate to play in that game, at the time I thought it was encouraging that he still wanted to play for us, as it turned out he was desperate to put himself in the shop window. I bet we paid his medical bills as well when he was injured, thinking we were doing the right and honourable thing, the trouble is it never works both ways and we end up getting shit on!
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The encouraging thing is that we made a bid and it was accepted. Surely it would've been a club record for us-meaning that money can go on somebody else, or be added to our pursuit of Sharp. That said I doubt we'll be signing Sharp if the paper figures of 2mil are true. Course knowing the papers he's probably only valued at around 700k.
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Listening to SOD on radio Sheffield at least it sounds like we made Barnsley pay over the odds with an offer even the player couldn't believe.
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Its a shame,Shackell unlike Robbo is only 26 and could have not only been a good player for us but an investment like Mills/wellens and got a good fee if he had a good season or two with us.Im starting to get the feeling clubs like Barnsley and Derby see who we rate/make a serious offer for and then think if SOD/Rovers rate him that much he must decent lets look at signing him.Barnsley tried with Billy in Jan.Hope they don't offer silly money again for him :(