I know it’s ‘old news’ but what a shocking decision.

They only lost out on automatic promotion because Burnley & Leeds got 100 points. The play off final was a ‘bizarre’ result.

The Blades have only one season left of parachute payments then I fancy mid-table mediocrity in the Championship for them.

Dyche rumoured to be on their list of possible replacements.

Could the wide player Grant talked about be another player in question , Mellon looks more a cf than wide man

So was Street but he started out wide before being shifted

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Vaya: Conscious as I am of my critical views of his performances for Rovers, the comparison here was purely as an illustration of how GK stats do not seem to relate comprehensively to performance. Hard as it may seem for you to believe, I have never had anything against him personally.

This man is spreading misinformation.

I’m just confused now, so perhaps I’ll shut up.

Stats DO tell the correct story. TSL is miles better in the air and distribution than Jones but Jones' shot stopping (minus a howler here and there) is better. Stats do not point to Jones as a whole being better than TSL.
You can't say the stats are bad without ever looking at them. However, when judging a player you can't rely on stats alone.

Is it not the case that stats tell a story limited by their context, but do not embrace anything beyond it? I don’t think I’ve said stats are bad without even looking at them. Fundamentally is it not the case that there no limit on the extent that numbers can be gathered? What we make of them is always debatable though. Equally the numbers that can be gathered easily relate to events like shots on goal which are not identical in terms of pace, distance and direction. In the case of goalkeepers the function is not purely stopping shots yet the way he may position himself at corners and set plays may well make his goal more or less vulnerable. But quantifying that would be highly complex and does not figure in the numbers. Also, the extent to which a GK involves himself in the general defensive effort by venturing upfield in the sweeper role is a factor in his contribution which is  difficult to quantify statistically, so (as far as I know) is not included.

I may be mistaken, but in assessing the performance of outfield players statistics do not seem to play such a powerful role in people’s opinions yet for goalkeepers, statistics offer what is appealingly simplistic.

xG of the more advanced providers uses position, direction, distance, etc and there's loads of in depth ones for keepers.

Post-Shot Expected Goals (PSxG)
Save Percentage Adjusted for Shot Quality
Expected Goals on Target Conceded (xGoT)
Passing and Distribution Metrics
Cross Claiming and Sweeping (xClaim)

But as I said before... However, when judging a player you can't rely on stats alone.

THAT’S the way to explain stats Donny. I agree wholeheartedly with you’re last sentence too.

Could the wide player Grant talked about be another player in question , Mellon looks more a cf than wide man

He’s more of a target man type striker. If there’s any truth in this then surely it would signify the end of Joes time here

Plays with his “back to the ball & has a ‘nice’ scoring touch” according to Wiki.

He’s not 22 until December. If Grant ‘fancies’ him I think you’re probably right Colin.

Grant did say in his interview that he was waiting to hear from a Premiership club about a striker so perhaps Mickey is that man.