Project prevention

[jucyberry]

Just seen a story on the news about an American charity that has come to Britain to convince, and pay drug and alcohol addicts to get steralized.

In return they are paid £200.

I have to say, I feel incredibly uncomfortable at the thought of this, For someone with a habit this is a lot of 'easy' money, and I can see desperate people signing up to get their next fix funding...

Now I know many will say people like that don't deserve children, but....say you get clean, turn your life around? it does happen after all..The chance of a family is gone..

[CusworthRovers]

Not sure what they are doing JB, it did say sterilised, can they do that with fella's too?

Shouldn't they concentrate on their own first, before coming over here. I'm sure they already have.

This is a massive moral and ethical question.

For:

It stops the horrible and massive drain on local resourses and finances. It stops what will be, those kids then doing like their parents did and then spawn more. It stops the pollution of society of this under-class that's getting bigger and bigger.

Wasn't the Pope in the 'for' camp when he came over?

Against:

No t**ts from another country should be dictating our society (except for American TV) and the point you made of somebody (probs 1-2% chance) getting out of the mess and wanting to start a fresh new life complete with kiddy winks. Anyway, is this sterilisation not reversible?

[jucyberry]

The snip for the fellas and I guess tubes tied for the women...

I just think that anything that dangles a substantial ammount of cash in front of someone who is bound to spend it on the next fix is exremely suspect..

something about it makes me feel extremely uncomfortable I have to say.

[Dagenham Rover]

load of old Bollox  


 
Tbh I only caught the tailend but instantly thought jeezus bloody wept.

as youve said its only going to provide the next fix then they'll be back to thieving for the next one

[RobTheRover]

You caught your tailend?

You dont need the snip then!  ;-)

[Boomstick]

It goes deeper than just 'them coming over here and interfering in our society'. I think questions need to be asked for the sake of human society in general. I suppose its a form of eugenics.
I think the main argument is stopping an addict conceiving a child, and the child been born an addict and possibly misfigured into a world of neglect, malnourishment, abuse and addiction.
But its not going to stop addiction, just prevent addicts from bringing another human being into their world of shit.
I think more research should be put into why people turn to drugs to start with.

[BobG]

And, we shouldn't forghet that although many folk are addicted for life, quite a few do reform their lives and end up good solid citizens. I personally know a former crack addict. She is now a houseproud, working single mother. And she's doing just fine thank you. Doesn't claim benefits, struggles with the money, but manages life and all it throws at her. If she'd suffered from these fools, we'd all be missing an intelligent and happy child.

Typical Yanks. Short sighted, short of thinking and short of f**king off home.

BobG

[RobTheRover]

Why limit it to drug addicts and the like?  I say neuter the chavs on our streets.  Anyone wearing Timberland boots with tracky bottoms deserves to be removed from the gene pool.

[BobG]

It is quite Nazi really isn't it? We, the self elected guardians of morals determined by ourselves have decided that you, you and you don't fit our conception of what is right and proper. So here you go Sir. Concentration camp this way. Sterilisation that way.

For a country that bellows its 'freedom' from every roof top on the planet, it's staggering just how many freedoms it actually does not possess. Freedom of speech for one. Freedom from surveillance for another. Freedom from persecution a third. Freedom under the law a fourth. All you have to remember is McCarthy, Guantanamo, the Bay of Pigs, Grenada, Chile, President Diem, the Monroe doctrine, Israel and domino theory and all the vicious ills that stemmed from almost all of those and you have America summed up to a T.

I do suggest that Paul Kennedy's fabulous and intelligent 'The Rise and Fall of Great Powers' really ought to be compulsory reading at every American school. Might learn something. ISBN supplied on request.

BobG

[Sandy Lane]

For the record I'm probably as liberal as they come.  I don't believe in the death penalty for Maggie or even for terrorists!  There I said it!  Sorry, but I just don't believe in it. Nor do I believe that drug addicts should be sterilized voluntarily or  involuntarily.  I'm not saying this discussion is not thought-provoking, but this specific situation is given more weight than it's worth since ostensibly it's free will -- even though it is more or less a 'bribe'. Plus there are laws protecting people from making medical decisions if they are deemed incapacitated by medical staff.  It would be unethical for a nurse to approve or doctor to perform surgery on anyone they feel is not competent to make an informed decision (which includes being high on drugs or even if it's questionable).  As a former operating room nurse, I can't tell you how many times we had to cancel surgeries on people who had done cocaine the day of the surgery or within three days prior d/t safety issues and/or lack of  informed consent.   Btw, many vasectomies as well as tubal ligations are reversible!