Bournemouth goals

[albie]

Up on their YouTube site;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB62Rqt-XRw&list=TLdx2sS8KnCxYVJSYf06YSXli5zWiFBw3L

The hat trick is shown reverse angle in the second video.

Stand out for me is how badly we defended in the air. Static defenders beaten on the jump by an attacker with momentum. To me 3 of those goals are centre half balls all day long, no trouble.

Too many statues in our own penalty area, and not enough pressure on the ball to close down the delivery. Pretty basic defending skills at fault, which is surprising as we have tightened up since the new year.

Warning signs all there IMO, we need a result against Huddersfield to restore some confidence.

[BigColSutherland]

Woeful defending - particularly from Husband and Cotterill.

[Sammy Chung was King]

Most of the goals came from the left hand side,i wouldn't necessarily blame Husband,he had no protection in front of him,if you look at the goals a lot of the time,it's him against two opponents,almost impossible to stop if the ball used right,which it was,Huddersfield at home,let's get back to being nice and solid at the back,freshen the team up,and get Billy some goals

[MiKA]

There was a little bit of fortune for most of the goals but that's little excuse, the thing that bothered me after seeing them were how far back we were defending.

[Sammy Chung was King]

There did seem to be a little fear in how we were defending Mika,we've got to start trying to play the way we do at home,why do teams all over the country totally change they're style of play because they are playing away?,play to your teams strengths and see where it takes you,we just had an abysmal day,to add to the others we've played away,i don't get the ''Mental block'' teams get playing away,it's just a football pitch the same as your home one,we played far too narrow,i've never liked the 4-3-3,but that didn't beat us,the entire team not performing did.

[Metalmicky]

Two great headers and some comedy defending.  It does look very disjointed and like there was a lack of communication....... oh for a Jones figure at the heart of it. 

The thing is that you don't turn into a bad defensive team overnight and Dickov needs to establish the set-up that the players are comfortable and confident with and retain this.  It is not impossible as we have proved not so long back.

Hopefully this defeat will be the wake up call they needed and the players will respond....

[Donnyrovers]

It could have been 10 they missed some really good chances it was that bad, Bournemouth fans couldn't believe how bad we were there was no organisation and shape all game it was shocking and the only positive to take was that it was only 5-0.

[BigColSutherland]

Most of the goals came from the left hand side,i wouldn't necessarily blame Husband,he had no protection in front of him,if you look at the goals a lot of the time,it's him against two opponents,almost impossible to stop if the ball used right,which it was,Huddersfield at home,let's get back to being nice and solid at the back,freshen the team up,and get Billy some goals

Goal 1 - No attempt by Wellens to stop the cross. Husband loses his man completely.
Goal 2 - Coppinger half blocks a cross. Husband then ducks out of the way of the second one.
Goal 3 - Cotterill offers no cover whatsoever. Husband loses his man completely.
Goal 4 - Husband fails to clear the ball. Cotterill fails to clear the ball, then fails to block the cross.
Goal 5 - Johnstone makes a mess of his punch.

All individual errors. They've not had to work hard for any of those goals.

[RedJ]

If Jones can't play then for Christ's sake get him on the touch line to put the fear of God into Husband.

[SoundbiteBarmyArmy]

Woeful defending - particularly from Husband and Cotterill.

Again!?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Woeful defending - particularly from Husband and Cotterill.

Woeful defending from everyone. Yet you pick out two in particular.

Anyone would think you had something particularly against those two...

[BigColSutherland]

William, clean your specs, there's a post above where I've picked out Wellens, Johnstone and Coppinger as well. Yet you pick out one post in particular.

Anyone would think you had something particularly against me...

[BillyStubbsTears]

I didn't get that far down Col. Good to see you've given a more balanced assessment later and only blamed Husband for 4 of the goals.

By the way. Go and look at that second goal where you have blamed Husband for ducking out if the way. Use freeze frame and stop the action when the ball is level with Husband. As yourself whether, as the ball is around 10-12 feet off the floor, Husband would have struggled to get his head onto it if he had spent the last 20 years using those rings that some African women use to extend their necks. Then consider whether you might be being a tad unfair on that one.

[BigColSutherland]

He was partly to blame for 4 of the goals. It is after all a team game.

But, his lack of awareness for the first is non-league stuff. The cross shouldn't come in - Wellens with a pitiful attempt to stop the cross - but Husband should be stuck to Kermorgant. Instead he wanders inside and it results in a free shot on goal.
For the second, I'm probably imagining it as I've obviously got it in for him, but Husband appears to duck out of the way of the cross. Stand tall, perhaps even jump, and it hits him on the head.
For the third, pretty much same as the first, but this time he fails to track his man. His little sprint at the last minute tells you that at least he knew where he was supposed to be.
For the fourth, he should probably get it out.

Now, since the point many were singing his praises he has now been solely or partially responsible for both Barnsley goals, the Yeovil goal and four of the five Bournemouth goals.

Teams at this level aren't stupid. If I was Mark Robins I would be looking at Adam Hammill and thinking "you're going to be very busy on Saturday". Husband either needs more protection, or to improve, or probably both.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Col

Different eyes, different opinions.

Look, I'm not defending (sic) Husband's performance according to that video, but to single him out as you have done smacks of a witch hunt. The collective defending g was appalling.

For the first goal, our much lauded centre backs were stood in each other's boots in the middle of the six yard box whilst the main aerial threat wandered off to the back stick. Yes, perhaps Husband should have picked him up. Or perhaps one of Khumalo or Meite should have tracked him instead of ball watching and THEN failing to clear the first cross.

Second goal, blaming Husband is silly.

Third goal. Husband tracked the player he was originally marking (Grabban?). Ritchie pulled away and no one picked him up. Yes, perhaps Husband should have switched to him. Or perhaps Khumalo or Wellens should have picked up the runner - both were ball watching. (You're having it both ways here. Husband is to blame for the first goal for not picking up the man who drifted out of position and away from Khumalo. Then he's to blame for the third goal when Khumalo didn't pick up the player who drifted away from Husband.)

Fourth goal, you pick up on Husband failing to clear and blame the goal on that. Call me simple, but three other defenders have allowed Kermogant a free header. I'd put that down as the Prime Cause.

As I say, Husband doesn't come out of that video smelling of roses. But not do ANY of the defenders. Yet you only criticise Husband.

[BigColSutherland]

I'd give those specs another clean William. I've criticised Wellens and previously Cotterill, Coppinger and Johnstone.

I've talked about Husband (almost) in isolation in the previous post as, in my view, he was the common denominator on Saturday.

If he has a stormer on Saturday then I'll be more than happy to say well played. However, if he's badly at fault for us conceding then I will continue to highlight his deficiencies. In my view, he is currently a weak link that is costing us dear.

Question - why is blaming Husband for the second "silly"? He's a full-back. His job is to stop that cross. He has failed to do this.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I meant you only criticised Husband among the defenders. I thought that was clear, but apologies if it wasn't.

[BillyStubbsTears]

The second one is silly because you blamed him for not getting his head into a ball that was way out of range.

[BigColSutherland]

We defend as a team William.

Husband is a full back. Why was the cross "way out of range" (a view which I actually don't agree with). It's his job to stop crosses getting into the box. He's either ducked out the way, or he's too far away to get in the way in the first place. Either way it's not good enough at this level.

I'm not going to comment any more on Husband until after Hudders now. My views are clear and it becomes very repetitive on both sides. I'm sure someone will come back in with some witty put down, but I'll try and resist being lured into another 5 page debate.

[Lipsy]

And that was the story of afternoon: we were the architects of our own downfall. Counter-attack after counter-attack came from misplaced kicks from our 'keeper (that lad couldn't kick a straight ball if his goolies depended on it) and misplaced passes (you would have thought that they hadn't played together or they'd cloned me ten times and I was playing). We had insipid defending, going to sleep, not giving a toss, etc, etc, etc, etc - every single cliche about a team's bad performance could be levelled at us on Satdi. Every single one. It was a depressingly, agonisingly, arse-clenchingly awful display, and I think singling out anyone as being at fault over the other flatters to deceive what the rest served up as professional football.

I physically had to glue myself to the spot after the second goal went it when every atom in my body waved a little white flag and signalled that they wanted to leave the ground and go and have a little cry (not that ever I cry, you understand - it was my atoms, and I have since had words with them). That said, I can count myself lucky that I didn't have to watch that and make the trip back to Donny. Those that made it deserve a medal and an apology from the players.

Anyways, this does no good whatsoever - it's done, gone and cannot be repeated (both in terms not being able to travel back in time and because we simply cannot repeat that performance in any of the last 13 games we have to play), and I guarantee it'll be better on Satdi.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Col

Go and look at that second goal again. It perfectly clear that Husband, from the position he was in, could not have blocked the cross. No argument.

That was your opening gambit.

Now you are saying that in that case, he wasn't close enough to the player who crossed it. Different argument but let's take that one on. The player who crossed the ball was not in a threatening position until a fortunate rebound dropped the ball at his feet. Husband was attending to the primary threat and supporting Coppinger (hardly our best defender) in this.

Now. Be honest. If Husband had got right to the player on the touch line, Coppinger had been skinned and a dangerous cross put in, what would you have said about Husband's decision making? I'd have said he'd have been bloody stupid.

[Donnyjim]

Woeful defending - particularly from Husband and Cotterill.

Cotterill fell asleep for the Barnsley equaliser, if memory serves?

[BigColSutherland]

Cotterill was absent for that Barnsley goal yes. He quickly found himself on the wrong side.

There's a school of thought that says Keegan and Furman can't play together on the middle. Perhaps the left flank partnerships need looking at as well?

[wing commander]

    I'm not for blaming individuals on this one....The bottom line is the whole team put in what can only be described as a shambolic pitifull effort and they all want there arses kicking collectively....
    In the old days after performances like that I used to take comfort that whilst I was eating my sunday roast the players would be running up and down dale as punishment,but in the world of softly,softly no doubt they weren't......
    And that's what worries me most here,not the individual mistakes that led to goals because there were a lot of other mistakes just as bad that luckily didn't result in goals but the fact that collectively they are capable of that........I hope Dickov is harder in private than public..Sharp wanted fining heavily as he has helped cost us badly just as much if not more than Husbands errors....and I was amazed when dickov took the understanding approach........
   For the first time im now worried we haven't got enough quality and we overate the players abilities because if there are 3 worse teams than us at the moment Ive yet to see them.....

[PDX_Rover]

Play Stevens at LB and Husband left midfield. That should solidify it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Go on. I was bored.

Can anyone tell me what Husband did wrong for the second goal here?

[POD]

    And that's what worries me most here,not the individual mistakes that led to goals because there were a lot of other mistakes just as bad that luckily didn't result in goals

That's exactly right.  Even before they scored the first goal, they had several chances and well worked set piece routines, which completely cut our defence open time and again.  To just concentrate on the individual mistakes for the goals is misleading, as there were many more occasions where we could have conceded, but for good goalkeeping, last ditch tackles and poor finishing. 

In the second half, they eased off and played well within themselves, yet still managed to score another three goals.

Overall, they were much much better than us in every department and if I had been a neutral spectator on the day, it would have been a pleasure to watch their football!!

[wilts rover]

Most of the goals came from the left hand side,i wouldn't necessarily blame Husband,he had no protection in front of him,if you look at the goals a lot of the time,it's him against two opponents,almost impossible to stop if the ball used right,which it was,Huddersfield at home,let's get back to being nice and solid at the back,freshen the team up,and get Billy some goals

Goal 1 - No attempt by Wellens to stop the cross. Husband loses his man completely.
           - Meite and Khumalo are both marking the same man in the centre, the goal scorer is the centre forward so one of them has lost him and the other puts in an awful clearing header
Goal 2 - Coppinger half blocks a cross. Husband then ducks out of the way of the second one.
            - Tamas gets the wrong side of Kermorgant and puts in a pathetic effort at a header.
Goal 3 - Cotterill offers no cover whatsoever. Husband loses his man completely.
           - Tamas puts in an awful clearance to the edge of the box where Keegan is the only man closing down, four defenders behind him are marking one man, Wellens cant be bothered to get into position.
Goal 4 - Husband fails to clear the ball. Cotterill fails to clear the ball, then fails to block the cross.
           - Tamas wrong side of his man and only seems to jump after the ball has gone. Centre halves nowhere.
Goal 5 - Johnstone makes a mess of his punch.
           - no one is positioned in the centre of the penalty area, anything could have bounced there

All individual errors. They've not had to work hard for any of those goals.

[Sammy Chung was King]

I Thought we'd cut out the giving teams easy goals,we looked nice and solid and hard to beat,it's seemed to slacken off from the Barnsley game onwards,we need to get back to being solid and hopefully the forwards start getting a few,we all know you can't stay in this league playing like we did against Bournemouth,luckily it's not been a regular thing playing as bad as that,if it had we wouldn't have a point,on our day we are more than capable at home of beating anyone,the away record needs to be remedied,just to ease pressure on home games,play how we play at home,stop trying to be too technical about away games,go for the win like you do at home.

[Ldr]

Last time they put 5 past us we got their manager..............