What do people make of this

[bpoolrover]

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If i lived in the uk i be all for it tbh.

As the Jocks will have another  Yes or no day for sure.

You Cant have votes on what effects the lay of the land in England
Been Cast from mps in Scotland who are split in Their motives

[RobTheRover]

"I can make a hat, a brooch...."

(c) The Naked Gun

[IC1967]

Its very simple. Its obvious that on English only matters then only English MPs should vote. Labour won't support this because they may be unable to enact legislation without the support of Scottish MPs. They put the abuse of power above the democratic rights of the English. They put their own self serving narrow political interest above the democratic rights of the English. They are pathetic and are so stupid and incompetent that they can't see that it is very easy for the English to work it out.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Give me an example of an "English only matter".

[wilts rover]

and also please explain what 'democratic rights of the English' there are around at the moment? I believe you will find the right to talk b*****ks is universal.

[IC1967]

Give me an example of an "English only matter".

You're so thick. Can't you work that one out for yourself? Fortunately for you I always answer every question that is thrown at me no matter how ridiculous. Here's the answer:

Foreign MP's should not be allowed to vote on laws that do not affect their constituents. Got it, get it, good.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I get it Mick. Sorry for being so thick.

So, as an example, let's say something bleeding obvious that even a thick lad like me could understand, right? Scotland has control over its own NHS, so presumably Sottish MPs shouldn't vote on matters relating to the funding of the English NHS, right? Couldn't be a clearer example of an "English only matter."

Is that the sort of thing you mean?

[IC1967]

I get it Mick. Sorry for being so thick.

So, as an example, let's say something bleeding obvious that even a thick lad like me could understand, right? Scotland has control over its own NHS, so presumably Sottish MPs shouldn't vote on matters relating to the funding of the English NHS, right? Couldn't be a clearer example of an "English only matter."

Is that the sort of thing you mean?

Look thick lad, I'd appreciate it if you could give me an example of the 'English' NHS. As far as I was aware the NHS was a UK wide institution.

I'll spell it out again in the vain hope that the answer may eventually penetrate your thick skull.

Foreign MP's should not be allowed to vote on laws that do not affect their constituents.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Mick

If only your level of aggression matched your knowledge of the things you get worked up about.

Management and funding of the NHS is devolved to the Scottish and Welsh Assemblies. So when Westminster MPs make decisions on funding of  "The NHS", they are deciding funding for the English NHS. So presumably Scottish MPs should abstain? An open and shut case, no?

[IC1967]

Mick

If only your level of aggression matched your knowledge of the things you get worked up about.

Management and funding of the NHS is devolved to the Scottish and Welsh Assemblies. So when Westminster MPs make decisions on funding of  "The NHS", they are deciding funding for the English NHS. So presumably Scottish MPs should abstain? An open and shut case, no?

No it isn't an open and shut case. You really are going out of your way to prove how stupid you are. You're premise doesn't make sense and is totally flawed. Life isn't as simple as you are trying to make out. I'll say it again in the vain hope that there are a few brain cells left in your warped mind that can still reason.

Foreign MP's should not be allowed to vote on laws that do not affect their constituents.

I'll elaborate further. If an issue such as the NHS affects a foreign MP's constituents then he should be allowed to vote on it. I can't think of any NHS issue that would not affect a foreign MP.

[BillyStubbsTears]

So I'll ask again. Give me an example of an "English only matter".

I suggested the clearest-cut example I could think of. You are telling me that I'm being thick. Enlighten me. You are getting apoplectic about foreign MPs voting on English only matters. You must have a list of English only matters that you are pissed off about. Tell me about one. Just one.

[IC1967]

So I'll ask again. Give me an example of an "English only matter".

I suggested the clearest-cut example I could think of. You are telling me that I'm being thick. Enlighten me. You are getting apoplectic about foreign MPs voting on English only matters. You must have a list of English only matters that you are pissed off about. Tell me about one. Just one.

Apoplectic? Hahaha. That is a term that best describes you!!!

I merely highlight things in bold in an effort to make it clearer for you to understand. It may surprise you to know that I don't have a list. It's the principle I'm bothered about. It wouldn't bother me if only 1% of legislation fell into the English only category. It's the principle that matters.

Labour are clearly unprincipled and put their own interests before what is right and proper.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I wasn't asking for percentages Mick. Just a single example of the English only matters.

Don't say you've lost the example Mick! Maybe it's in the same place as that astonishing evidence about deflation that you misplaced? Down the back of the settee?

[IC1967]

I wasn't asking for percentages Mick. Just a single example of the English only matters.

Don't say you've lost the example Mick! Maybe it's in the same place as that astonishing evidence about deflation that you misplaced? Down the back of the settee?

You never change. You are trying to say that the issue hinges on me providing you with an example. I've got news for you. I haven't got a crystal ball. I don't know in future what powers are going to be devolved to Scotland. Up to now I would struggle to find an example from the past that would have warranted foreign MP's being excluded from voting on supposed 'English only' matters. What's gone on in the past is history that can't be changed so why bother even thinking about it. Take my advice and stop living your life in the past. You need to be more forward thinking like what I am.

What I will say is that in the future, after Scotland has been given more powers, there is likely to be situations where foreign MP's will be able to vote on English only matters if the current system is unchanged. That would be unfair and needs to be sorted. So I'll say it again and please this time try to disseminate what I'm saying as you are becoming extremely tiresome.

Foreign MP's should not be allowed to vote on laws that do not affect their constituents.

You also need to man up and come out and say it as boldly as I have that you don't think there will ever be a case when a bill is introduced into Westminster that only affects the English because that is the clear tenor of the drivel you are spouting.

[KC_DRFC]

I think what he's trying to say is
Foreign MP's should not be allowed to vote on laws that do not affect their constituents.

[Rios]

The fact that the UK is so England-centric (historic, monetry and population) means there are very few English-only matters.  If this get's pushed through by the Tories it'll hasten the SNP to call for another referendum and I doubt the result would be the same again.  The UK as an entity got a stay of execution and it's seperation is only a matter of time.

You're so thick

Look thick lad

You really are going out of your way to prove how stupid you are.

So personal insults are acceptable on here are they now?  I must have missed the meeting.  It's amazing how people think they can sway thinking, opinions or win an argument by being abusive and shouting the loudest.  Whether I agree with BST or not, his calm replies despite the provocation are commendable.  I wouldn't have bothered replying (which I won't Mick).

[IC1967]

BST calm replies!!! That's the best laugh I've had in ages. You've obviously not read many of his posts when he's responding to me. It's the other way around. I'm a paragon of virtue compared to him.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Should Yorkshire MPs be able to vote on London-only matters and London MPs vote on Yorkshire-only matters? They don't affect their constituents either...

[wilts rover]

I wasn't asking for percentages Mick. Just a single example of the English only matters.

Don't say you've lost the example Mick! Maybe it's in the same place as that astonishing evidence about deflation that you misplaced? Down the back of the settee?

You never change. You are trying to say that the issue hinges on me providing you with an example. I've got news for you. I haven't got a crystal ball. I don't know in future what powers are going to be devolved to Scotland. Up to now I would struggle to find an example from the past that would have warranted foreign MP's being excluded from voting on supposed 'English only' matters. What's gone on in the past is history that can't be changed so why bother even thinking about it. Take my advice and stop living your life in the past. You need to be more forward thinking like what I am.

What I will say is that in the future, after Scotland has been given more powers, there is likely to be situations where foreign MP's will be able to vote on English only matters if the current system is unchanged. That would be unfair and needs to be sorted. So I'll say it again and please this time try to disseminate what I'm saying as you are becoming extremely tiresome.

Foreign MP's should not be allowed to vote on laws that do not affect their constituents.

You also need to man up and come out and say it as boldly as I have that you don't think there will ever be a case when a bill is introduced into Westminster that only affects the English because that is the clear tenor of the drivel you are spouting.

So what you are saying is - when the system is changed in the future it wont have changed. That makes sense.

Seeeing as how you are a man of the future, who can predict the future, and your argument is pretty irrelevant to the current situation, then I should retire back to the future now if I were you.

[IC1967]

It is perfectly clear what I'm saying. On the other hand what you are saying is complete and utter gibberish that makes no sense whatsoever.

To prove this I challenge any other reader of the forum to make sense of what you are on about and to spell it out in plain Engish so we can understand you.

I won't be holding my breath though as no one will be able to meet the challenge.