Sturgeon warns Milliband............

[hoolahoop]

Even the name "Murdoch" sounds very Scottish to me. Yes both the English and the Scots have been played like ukippers. Yes they will get full devolution but at a price now ......no Barnett formulae. The Scots will pay a heavy heavy price and that is how it should be. They will have to pay for Tuition fees , prescriptions etc. because there will be uproar if England has to subsidise these and many other things. I'm thinking of an "Edward 1" solution to the problem here.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Two things going on.

1) The SNP wouldn't be distraught if we have a Tory Govt next month it would help their narrative about the Basteid Sassenachs imposing a hateful regime on them.

2) If the Left doesn't have enough votes to take power and a coalition featuring the Tories DOES get in, the SNP want to be able to say "Well, WE didn't want that outcome. It's they basteid Labourites that let the Tories in.

The skilful, nasty b*****ds. They want the Tories in. And they want Labour to be blamed for it.

I've never in my whole life seen such an unprincipled lot of poetical street fighters as the SNP. It'd be deeply impressive if there weren't such high stakes.

I missed this post and how right you were and will be. The SNP let the Tories in with their rhetoric ; unfortunately the Labour party in Scotland couldn't respond to the challenge and of course the SNP won 56 seats with swings that I have never seen in my lifetime.
How the Labour party responds in Scotland is the question or if there is a break up of the Union then surely the Scottish parliament would need an effective opposition.

Hoola

Best possible outcome for SNP. This is the outcome they have dreamed of.

Every single time that Sturgeon popped up and said, "we want to work with Labour" there was an underlying, unspoken second sentence. "I'm deliberately goading you folk in England who rightly think that Scotland gets an unfairly helpful deal off your backs; you listen hard to me, let me goad you, and then make damn sure you go out and vote AGAINST Labour."

The Tories, The Sun and The Mail hammered that message home explicitly. A pact between two morally bankrupt groups with nothing in common but a hatred of Labour.

That's politics. f***ing hard and f***ing dirty. What galls me is the poor thick f***ers in Scotland who have swallowed this as a principled stance. They have been played and they have another 5 years of a Tory Govt to show for it.

Because THAT is what the SNP always wanted. So they can spend the next 5 years saying, "Labour's gone. England is Tory. If you want shut of the Tories, you have no choice but independence." The SNP paint themselves as being on the side of the Scots. What they ACTUALLY are is on the side of Scottish Independence. Which is a different thing. But they are zealots. And like all nationalist zealots, they will f*** anyone over to get their outcome.

What was I saying 10 months back?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-35788489

"Patiently and respectfully, we will seek to convince you that independence really does offer the best future for Scotland.
"A future shaped, not by perpetual Tory governments that we don't vote for, but by our own choices and our own endeavours," Ms Sturgeon said in a message to Scotland's electorate.

Translation.

"We f***ed all over Labour two ways at the General Election. We destroyed them in Scotland. And by constantly shouting out how we wanted to work in collaboration with them in Govt, we gave Cameron the cards he needed to play the Scottish Bogeyman game and destroy Labour in England.

We got the result that we ("we" the SNP politicians, not you the Scottish voters) wanted above all else. A Tory majority.

Now we can remind you lot that while ever you stay part of the Union, with Labour perma-f***ed, you will have to put up with a Tory Govt. l

We KNOW that this will mean many of you lot, simple, honest Scottish people, will suffer. And we don't give a f***. In fact we welcome it. Because it will make you more vociferous for Independence.

So, why don't we call a new Referendum now and give you what you want?

Well, frankly, because our economic case has sunk faster than Donny Rovers recently. Between friends, we are a f***ing basket case. If we had a referendum now, a big spotlight would be shone on that case and we'd be hoyed oot.

So,bear with us. We have foisted a Tory Govt on you. You beat the pain for as long as it takes until we get a glimmer that things have improved and our economic case is roughly arguable for 6 months. And THEN we'll go for it. Even if 12 months after Independence, our economy tanks again.

Because that is ALL we want. And if YOU suffer, frankly, that's tough shit."

Got to love em eh?

[BobG]

I heard a Labour politician today on Radio 4 (and sadly I missed his name but he's ex front bench) say, for the very first time, the unutterable truth in public. If the current PLP does not take out Corbyn within the next 12 months, and he didn't think they would, the Labour Party would become utterly irrelevant as its decline would become inexorable.

I've not heard that said before in public. This chap also made the point that generally speaking, the Labour Party prefers being in opposition. In opposition they can moan about all sorts of things and blame the Tories for everything. They can form whatever groups they like. In government they become responsible and they have to find ways to manage the eternal internal tensions. They don't all neccesarily view power as the objective he suggested. He was quite entertaining about the fact that for well over a 100 years the Tories have been skilled assassins of leaders who became unpopular in the country - whilst the Labour Party, not trusting those with effective power, pushed out the most succesful leader they've ever had. I hadn't thought of recent history in that light before.

BobG