Referendum Poll 2: In or Out

[Mike_F]

Off you go, vote now.

[turnbull for england]

Stay, I don't know enough to do risk anything else  and doing the opposite of the mail seems a plan

[idler]

I'm voting out but expect we will remain and the small concessions that Cameron is spouting about will be whittled to nothing eventually.
The EU is not what I envisaged or signed up to in 1974.

[The Red Baron]

Spurs certainly seemed to Vote Leave last night. With United not far behind them. 

[Mike_F]

Here's my two penn'orth at a top-line level:

From a job perspective, businesses and markets hate uncertainty. Coming out of Europe would lead to a lot of uncertainty and instability which could be detrimental to British business and the economy in the short-medium term. Would it be worth it in the long run? Who knows? European private enterprises would still want their share of the British market so the likes of BMW, Aldi, Lidl, Ferrero etc. wouldn't suddenly disappear.

From a parcochial perspective surely we're better off in the union. It's a ridiculous state of affairs that whenever we have a Tory government the only way to get serious investment in the North is by sending monies to Europe and having them re-allocated to us as part of a development fund.

I don't know the exact figures and I could be wrong in which case feel free to correct be but I believe the situation to be broadly along these lines:

UK pays EU £6bn
EU funding of £4bn goes into projects like regeneration grants, many of which are in the North.
Net national deficit of £2bn.

Looks like a no-brainer to come out of the EU and save that £2bn so we can invest it in the UK. But where do you think the whole £6bn pot would go? London and the bloody Home Counties, that's where. Maybe a few quid would trickle to Leeds and Manchester as a token gesture but that's your lot.

[Glyn_Wigley]

That's making the vast assumption that this government would not only invest that £2bn difference instead of cutting their' mate's taxes, but the even vaster assumption that they would stump up the £4bn that the EU currently spend on us.

[Yargo]

From the very right wing Bob Crow

[Yargo]

P.S, Is some idiot going to ask "What if they impose trade tariffs on us"?
http://order-order.com/2016/03/11/eu-trade-deficit-hits-record-high/

[The Red Baron]

From the very right wing Bob Crow

That's neat, considering he's brown bread!

However, there is an argument from the left for leaving the EU. I very much doubt a radical Labour government would be able to carry through some of its policies without coming into conflict with the EU. Especially over public ownership.

Corbyn's never struck me as being pro-EU, and I'm inclined to think his public stance on the referendum is because he doesn't think it is a matter over which he wants to pick a fight with the PLP.

[Glyn_Wigley]

P.S, Is some idiot going to ask "What if they impose trade tariffs on us"?
http://order-order.com/2016/03/11/eu-trade-deficit-hits-record-high/

Even if they don't impose tariffs on us, leaving the Single Market will immediately mean every consignment in and out of the country has to have a C88 Customs declaration made - which shipping agents charge approx. £100 for.

[BillyStubbsTears]

The point is that we CAN'T have single market access without signing up to pretty much all the things that the Leave side don't want. Specifically, most of the market regulation and freedom of movement. Ask Norway and Switzerland.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Daniel Hannan unveils the Leave campaign's carefully worked out prediction of how big our economy will be if we leave the EU.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DanHannanMEP/status/707897387516297217

[The Red Baron]

Daniel Hannan unveils the Leave campaign's carefully worked out prediction of how big our economy will be if we leave the EU.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DanHannanMEP/status/707897387516297217

No, that's the Eurozone.