London Attack

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Over the centuries, this country has been attacked by bigger and nastier enemies than the piece of shit who committed this. And you know what? We've seen the fcuckers off each and every time. I hope the bas**rd burns in hell.

I work with quite a number of Muslims and whenever something like this goes off they know that the chances of them being abused or attacked increases significantly so it puts them in fear too. At work they're always very quick to condemn these acts as they feel that they're having to apologise for the actions of a complete lunatic. Quite sad really.

I have to ask this about the Muslim community ,but why are they not taking to the streets in great numbers across Europe in whatever city to demonstrate against such incidents as yesterday .

The tide will only turn when the muslims start to get their house cleaned up not western governments

[Syme]

I tend to agree with Brendan Cox on this "the Westminster attacker represents British Muslims no more than Jo Cox's killer represents Yorkshire."

[Herbert Anchovy]

To be fair they do mate. It's just perhaps not documented and publicised much. In August 2016 over 30,000 Muslims took part in a convention in Hampshire to demonstrate their rejection of terrorism and extremism. The President of the convention said:
"We have much to be grateful for in Britain which has allowed our community to prosper and contribute to British life for over 100 years. We count ourselves proud to call ourselves British Ahmadi Muslims."

[Glyn_Wigley]

To be fair they do mate. It's just perhaps not documented and publicised much. In August 2016 over 30,000 Muslims took part in a convention in Hampshire to demonstrate their rejection of terrorism and extremism. The President of the convention said:
"We have much to be grateful for in Britain which has allowed our community to prosper and contribute to British life for over 100 years. We count ourselves proud to call ourselves British Ahmadi Muslims."

Don't bother mate. Whatever Muslims do to condemn atrocities like this will never be enough for those who don't want to listen to them but would rather keep on demanding on online messageboards that they do 'something' so as to make it look like all Muslims are somehow complicit in, or at the very least condone, the atrocities.

[MachoMadness]

Over the centuries, this country has been attacked by bigger and nastier enemies than the piece of shit who committed this. And you know what? We've seen the fcuckers off each and every time. I hope the bas**rd burns in hell.

I work with quite a number of Muslims and whenever something like this goes off they know that the chances of them being abused or attacked increases significantly so it puts them in fear too. At work they're always very quick to condemn these acts as they feel that they're having to apologise for the actions of a complete lunatic. Quite sad really.

I have to ask this about the Muslim community ,but why are they not taking to the streets in great numbers across Europe in whatever city to demonstrate against such incidents as yesterday .

The tide will only turn when the muslims start to get their house cleaned up not western governments

They do. Publicly and privately. They also provide support for victims of terror attacks, financially through charity and emotionally. And the Muslim community at large is a key part of keeping security forces informed which has kept this country safe from Islamic terrorists for a long time until yesterday's attack.

Not that people like you would notice even if they held a candlelight vigil in your front room.

[Lipsy]

Proof, if it were needed, is here. This is just one way that Muslims in London are doing their bit.

https://www.launchgood.com/project/muslims_united_for_london#/

Frankly, we need to stop referring to this person (and those he may or may not have been working with) as Muslim. He wasn't a Muslim. He was a British-born radicalised* terrorist.


*I am making a (small) leap with 'radicalised'. 'Terrorist' would suffice.

[Donnywolf]

.... I think as a society that is what we all will have to endure ad infinitum. We simply cant stop living and worry about what might happen although I have reduced my Flights to the US to nil. I will be stuck on 24 States for the foreseeable future. Hope the rest of the Trip goes well and without further unnerving incidents

Have you planned in a trip to Keepmoat or a crafty watch of the TV coverage Sunday instead (he asked nosily) ?

Hi DW,

Yes, we had made plans to come ooop north for the match. 4 yank women!  Sadly the day AFTER I bought the train tix, they decided to move the match to Sunday * - on the day we are leaving so we can't even watch on tv.  Tears, but as always a huge thanks to Rob as we were planning to meet up with him for the match.  I do usually try to coordinate my trips with matches and it's always great fun to come up north on the train and meeting up with Rob and many of you all, so this was very disappointing.

But please feel free to come to the US though. ** Trump is mentally ill we believe, so hopefully justice and sanity will prevail.  Well fingers crossed anyway.

Thanks so much for your kind words and we will be sure to enjoy the rest of our our trip despite the sad events.

P.S. *** If anyone would like 4 free tix from London Kings X to Donny and back on Sat, please IM me.

* What a "bugger" - and another example of TV taking over the world / dictating how they want things - to the detriment of anyone who has done a bit of forward planning. Held against the recent events its a minor inconvenience of course but b****y annoying all the same

** Trump is certainly like my Jumper / Jersey - a weird fish but he would not deter me from my US Trips, but I am probably not following my own advice and staying away from Transatlantic Flights although statistically they are safe beyond reasonable measure !

*** What a very nice gesture. I hope someone takes you up on that AND throws in a few Pounds Sterling too

Enjoy the rest of the stay and I will give a 50% louder cheer for each significant moment on Sunday on your behalf Cheers JT

[Lipsy]

There's even a handy list of things that Muslims have condemned, for those of you that think that they should be doing more condemning. It's called the 'Worldwide Muslims Condemn List': https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e8BjMW36CMNc4-qc9UNQku0blstZSzp5FMtkdlavqzc/edit#gid=0

[Glyn_Wigley]

Over the centuries, this country has been attacked by bigger and nastier enemies than the piece of shit who committed this. And you know what? We've seen the fcuckers off each and every time. I hope the bas**rd burns in hell.

I work with quite a number of Muslims and whenever something like this goes off they know that the chances of them being abused or attacked increases significantly so it puts them in fear too. At work they're always very quick to condemn these acts as they feel that they're having to apologise for the actions of a complete lunatic. Quite sad really.

I have to ask this about the Muslim community ,but why are they not taking to the streets in great numbers across Europe in whatever city to demonstrate against such incidents as yesterday .

The tide will only turn when the muslims start to get their house cleaned up not western governments

I trust you apply that logic to all acts of terrorism, and that because there aren't worldwide demonstrations against the acts of the Real IRA that that means all Christians are either complicit or condone their actions?

[Lipsy]

Yeah, you must have missed these headlines:

'Christians Bomb London/Manchester/Brighton' 'Christian in Terror Attack on Quebec Mosque' and 'Christian slaughters 77 and injures 319 in Norwegian Terror Attack'.

Admittedly, it's easy to miss headlines that would never, ever be written. Can't think why...

[Syme]

I trust you apply that logic to all acts of terrorism, and that because there aren't worldwide demonstrations against the acts of the Real IRA that that means all Christians are either complicit or condone their actions?

'Logic' is a bit of a stretch.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I trust you apply that logic to all acts of terrorism, and that because there aren't worldwide demonstrations against the acts of the Real IRA that that means all Christians are either complicit or condone their actions?

'Logic' is a bit of a stretch.

It's his logic, regardless of how ridiculous it is.

[Lipsy]

This just popped up on my Facebook stream. I think it makes the point well enough:

[NickDRFC]

Spent a large chunk of last year working and living in London. Didn't feel safe at all down there.

Out of interest, where were you working and living at that time? I've lived in various places in SW London for 8 of the last 9 years, and worked at (amongst others) Blackfriars, Canary Wharf, Soho, Oxford St, Battersea and Hammersmith. At no point have I felt any less safe than I would in Doncaster, Leeds or anywhere else. Admittedly, I wouldn't go looking for trouble after dark in some of the rougher areas in eg Peckham or Tottenham, but likewise I wouldn't do that in the dodgier areas in Doncaster. I think it's harsh to judge the whole of London as "unsafe", even after yesterday's events.

[MrFrost]

Spent a large chunk of last year working and living in London. Didn't feel safe at all down there.

Out of interest, where were you working and living at that time? I've lived in various places in SW London for 8 of the last 9 years, and worked at (amongst others) Blackfriars, Canary Wharf, Soho, Oxford St, Battersea and Hammersmith. At no point have I felt any less safe than I would in Doncaster, Leeds or anywhere else. Admittedly, I wouldn't go looking for trouble after dark in some of the rougher areas in eg Peckham or Tottenham, but likewise I wouldn't do that in the dodgier areas in Doncaster. I think it's harsh to judge the whole of London as "unsafe", even after yesterday's events.

Worked in Moorgate and lived in Angel. Probably didn't help that I got mugged shortly after moving down there.

[NickDRFC]

This just popped up on my Facebook stream. I think it makes the point well enough:

Bang on.

[DubaiRover]

https://www.launchgood.com/project/muslims_united_for_london#/

[roversdude]

This just popped up on my Facebook stream. I think it makes the point well enough:

Bang on.

Other than Trump I've not seen anyone suggest that

[Lipsy]

I believe it is trying to make the broader point that we shouldn't stigmatise an entire religion or race based on the action(s) of a small group of hate-filled shits. Though I did see Farage suggesting that we should better vet who comes into our country... Of course, that wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference given that the attacker was born in Kent. Maybe we should vet who goes in and out of the home counties more thoroughly?

[roversdude]

Even better just build a big wall around Home Counties and get someone else to pay for it

[Glyn_Wigley]

Other than Trump I've not seen anyone suggest that

As one of the dead was an American tourist, will that mean the UK will now get added to the list of countries whose citizens' travel to the US he wants to disrupt for no apparent reason whatsoever?

[ballysbackin]

Looks like it was very well planned or coincidence.

A French national of North African origin has been arrested in the Belgian city of Antwerp on suspicion of driving at a crowd, officials say.
A car was driven "at high speed" on De Meir, the northern city's main shopping street, before it was intercepted. There were no reports of any injuries.
Knives, a non-lethal gun and some unidentifiable liquid were found in the car, prosecutors say.
Belgian PM Charles Michel praised the authorities for an "outstanding job".
The attack comes a day after a car was driven at high speed along London's Westminster Bridge, hitting many people, before the driver got out and entered the grounds of Parliament. He was killed after fatally stabbing a police officer there. Two other people died and 40 were injured in the attack.
Click here for all the latest on the London attack
It was also the day Belgium marked the first anniversary of the twin bomb attacks in Brussels, that killed 32 people and wounded more than 300.
Rapid response
The car was spotted at around 11:00 (10:00 GMT), Antwerp police chief Serge Muyters said.
"The vehicle was driving at high speed on De Meir," he said. "Our army colleagues spotted it and tried to bring the vehicle to a halt.
"But the driver broke free and drove through the red light towards the port quays."
Scene of arrest of suspected attempted attacker in Antwerp, on 23 March 2017Image copyrightAFP
Image caption
The car was stopped down by the quayside
Police were contacted, he said, and immediately sent a rapid response team, intercepting the vehicle and driver.
"The suspect, a man of North African origin, was immediately arrested," he said.
The federal prosecutor's office, which has taken over the investigation, named the suspect as "Mohamed R", a 39-year-old French national and resident of France.
"Different arms were found in the boot - bladed weapons, a riot gun and a container of liquid that is still unidentifiable," the prosecutor's statement also said.
An army bomb disposal unit was sent to the scene to inspect the vehicle.

[roversdude]

Great was in London yesterday and going to Antwerp in a couple of weeks, as I'm going to Duisburg wouldn't rule out something happening there
I'm getting like Marvin the paranoid android

[DevilMayCry]

[ballysbackin]

Well at least this family know we are not animals in this country.

Sadly tho

A Romanian woman who fell into the Thames during the Westminster terror attack has died, police have said.
Andreea Cristea is the fifth victim of the attack on 22 March, in which Khalid Masood drove into crowds on Westminster Bridge then stabbed a policeman to death, before being shot dead himself.
Ms Cristea, who was on holiday with boyfriend Andrei Burnaz, had been in hospital since the attack.
Her family said in a statement that she had died on Thursday.
The statement said: "After fighting for her life for over two weeks, our beloved and irreplaceable Andreea - wonderful daughter, sister, partner, dedicated friend and the most unique and life loving person you can imagine - was cruelly and brutally ripped away from our lives in the most heartless and spiritless way.
"She will always be remembered as our shining ray of light that will forever keep on shining in our hearts."
The family said they would now like money donated for Ms Cristea's recovery to be donated to charity.
"There are no words to even begin to describe the crushing pain and emptiness that is left in our hearts," they continued.
"Our family, together with Andrei, are deeply touched and eternally grateful for the unimaginable efforts and never-ending dedication provided to her and us by the entire medical personnel of each and every hospital involved. Their kindness and empathy are beyond compare."