How much did one bad decision cost

[deebee]

Man City yesterday? when a good goal was not given because the lino said the ball had gone out when tv replays showed it had not. Is this a good reason to introduce tv replays into the game?
That game could have cost City millions.

[Filo]

Man City yesterday? when a good goal was not given because the lino said the ball had gone out when tv replays showed it had not. Is this a good reason to introduce tv replays into the game?
That game could have cost City millions.

My heart bleeds for them!

[nortikorner]

Filo
Thats Hard
how many times has it happen to us  we could have stay in division two

[Filo]

Filo
Thats Hard
how many times has it happen to us  we could have stay in division two

A club rolling in money' getting a decision go against them, a club that bought their way into WSL at the expense of our local team?

Nah, not hard at all, they'll survive

[nortikorner]

Filo
so bad decisions are alright then if you got money

[not on facebook]

They are part of football and we have to just live with it .

The refs and linesmen are only human .

It seems that these type of wrong mistakes is only pointed out during high stakes games which then makes it a bad mistake.

Money should never really come into it as a media frenzy point ,but human nature says it will.

[RoversAlias]

This particular mistake was a tough call, a really tough call and if anyone tries to blame the linesman then they need to take a good look at themselves.

Would video technology have changed the outcome? Potentially, but even then this is something that isn't exactly a regular occurrence. The ball going out of play in the build-up to a goal is not something that needs attention as much as others such as penalty decisions, red card offences and offsides.

[GazLaz]

Man City yesterday? when a good goal was not given because the lino said the ball had gone out when tv replays showed it had not. Is this a good reason to introduce tv replays into the game?
That game could have cost City millions.

Pretty sure you only get 1.8m for winning the thing.

[Donnywolf]

Inevitably we wont see the back of such injustices unless and until TV Replays come in for some "things" such as Penalty shouts / Offsides / and was the Ball out etc

Give each Manager a fixed number of "appeals" and we as spectators will have to live with the delays but with the consolation that we might get definitive decisions. It seems to work in the 2 Rugby codes and Cricket and Tennis albeit I would agree that the latter 2 are easier to do than Football would be

[Filo]

Filo
so bad decisions are alright then if you got money

Don't know if you seen the reply of the incident, i would n't call it a bad decision or a mistake, we're talking millimetres here, the lino made a decision on his line of sight, 99% of the ball was out. Unlucky Man City, theres probably dozens of those close calls every weekend against clubs that really need the money, no one moans about those cases

[Herman Hessian]

should the worst case scenario come to pass, then video replays should only ever be used to determine matters of fact - in/out of play - over the line - inside/outside penalty area; the vast majority of times that these issues create a fuss, there is a straightforward black or white answer, and no-ones going to argue once the call has been made

i'm not even sure that offside should be decided in such a manner; offside decision made -
 automatic free kick eh - not quite so simple if you consider the flow of the game rather than just pedantic, facile and unblinking adherence to the laws: case in point - there's an instance of offside which is pretty obvious, but the ball goes through to the keeper and no goalscoring opportunity accrues; common sense dictates that the keeper just gets on with the game, taking a quick throw out or punt up field if he wants to - insisting on a free kick in this situation with the team who have infringed having the time to martial their defensive formation places the team with the free kick at a disadvantage which is clearly ridiculous; if you allow the ref to wave play on without a free kick, then the decision has become one of interpretation with regard to the application of the law - so no video evidence should be involved at all.

where there is any degree of deliberation involved, such as decisions based on opinion whether a foul or handball was intentional or deliberate, or if a player was seeking to gain an advantage by being in an offiside position - that sort of thing has to be the referee's call on the pitch - there's no technology likely to ever exist that can determine intent, and basing decisions on probability is not good enough - why bother at all if it's still guesswork ?

the other thing that has to be considered with video technology is that a degree of jeopardy has to be introduced - if it can be used to determine whether or not a penalty claim on the edge of the area is legitimate or not, and replays show that the "injured party" went down like a sack of shit having not being touched at all, then that's a straight red for cheating - the technology should be used to make a judgement on all aspects of a decision, not just the initial point in question; once again, getting one decision correct but revealing another transgression in the process which is then overlooked would be utterly ridiculous

as i said yesterday, football is as popular as it is for a reason - it really doesn't need to be f**ked about with in any way, shape. manner or form other than to appease tiresome t**ts who want the whole experience to be choreographed to within an inch of its life....

or something like that...

[RedJ]

They've got a Video Assistant Referee in A League down under at the moment. He can only overrule red cards (straight reds only I think), penalties can be awarded if he thinks the ref missed something, can rule a goal in or out and there's another thing he can do which I forget.

That's all you need, if you're going down the video ref route.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Inevitably we wont see the back of such injustices unless and until TV Replays come in for some "things" such as Penalty shouts / Offsides / and was the Ball out etc

Give each Manager a fixed number of "appeals" and we as spectators will have to live with the delays but with the consolation that we might get definitive decisions. It seems to work in the 2 Rugby codes and Cricket and Tennis albeit I would agree that the latter 2 are easier to do than Football would be

I don't know how it works in rugby and tennis but I've always thought that the way cricket does it isn't entirely fair as you get a set number of appeals and that's it. I've always thought that if you appeal in cricket and your appeal is upheld then you shouldn't lose one of your appeals as you've been shown to be right. As it is, if you win the decision and still lose one of your appeal opportunites, you've still been penalised by the original incorrect decision. You should only lose any of your appeal opportunities when you've had an appeal turned down.

[Filo]

Inevitably we wont see the back of such injustices unless and until TV Replays come in for some "things" such as Penalty shouts / Offsides / and was the Ball out etc

Give each Manager a fixed number of "appeals" and we as spectators will have to live with the delays but with the consolation that we might get definitive decisions. It seems to work in the 2 Rugby codes and Cricket and Tennis albeit I would agree that the latter 2 are easier to do than Football would be

I don't know how it works in rugby and tennis but I've always thought that the way cricket does it isn't entirely fair as you get a set number of appeals and that's it. I've always thought that if you appeal in cricket and your appeal is upheld then you shouldn't lose one of your appeals as you've been shown to be right. As it is, if you win the decision and still lose one of your appeal opportunites, you've still been penalised by the original incorrect decision. You should only lose any of your appeal opportunities when you've had an appeal turned down.

In Cricket if you win your appeal you keep that appeal

[NickDRFC]

Inevitably we wont see the back of such injustices unless and until TV Replays come in for some "things" such as Penalty shouts / Offsides / and was the Ball out etc

Give each Manager a fixed number of "appeals" and we as spectators will have to live with the delays but with the consolation that we might get definitive decisions. It seems to work in the 2 Rugby codes and Cricket and Tennis albeit I would agree that the latter 2 are easier to do than Football would be

I don't know how it works in rugby and tennis but I've always thought that the way cricket does it isn't entirely fair as you get a set number of appeals and that's it. I've always thought that if you appeal in cricket and your appeal is upheld then you shouldn't lose one of your appeals as you've been shown to be right. As it is, if you win the decision and still lose one of your appeal opportunites, you've still been penalised by the original incorrect decision. You should only lose any of your appeal opportunities when you've had an appeal turned down.

You only lose an appeal in cricket if you're shown to be wrong. You can have as many successful appeals as you like.

EDIT - beaten to the punch above!

[Donnywolf]

Inevitably we wont see the back of such injustices unless and until TV Replays come in for some "things" such as Penalty shouts / Offsides / and was the Ball out etc

Give each Manager a fixed number of "appeals" and we as spectators will have to live with the delays but with the consolation that we might get definitive decisions. It seems to work in the 2 Rugby codes and Cricket and Tennis albeit I would agree that the latter 2 are easier to do than Football would be

I don't know how it works in rugby and tennis but I've always thought that the way cricket does it isn't entirely fair as you get a set number of appeals and that's it. I've always thought that if you appeal in cricket and your appeal is upheld then you shouldn't lose one of your appeals as you've been shown to be right. As it is, if you win the decision and still lose one of your appeal opportunites, you've still been penalised by the original incorrect decision. You should only lose any of your appeal opportunities when you've had an appeal turned down.

In Cricket if you win your appeal you keep that appeal

Yes ... I did not state that but by a fixed number of appeals I meant (say) 3 each half for each team and if they are upheld they continue but if wrong you lose one

[GazLaz]

The appeals system wouldn't work in football.

[Donnywolf]

Man City yesterday? when a good goal was not given because the lino said the ball had gone out when tv replays showed it had not. Is this a good reason to introduce tv replays into the game?
That game could have cost City millions.

That above is the OP. If there had been "Appeals" available to Pep he would have called for one. As above the TV Replay(s) would have shown the ball (all the ball) was not over the Line - and City would have been given the goal rather than have it disallowed

Goals change games - and Pep would retain his "Appeal" for later in the game - so I dont twig why you dont think appeals would not work ?

[Draytonian III]

So every time on official gets a decision wrong or so called wrong let's stop the game and discuss it ,no doubt Gary and Jamie will be involved. The officials in any sport have the worst jobs, if a player gets something wrong the game is not stoped so he can get it right, missed an open goal, should have caught a catch,fouled on the cue ball. Every sport is getting too clinical and the attraction will wane

[drfchound]

mmm, not sure the discussion is about the players making a mistake though is it.

On the subject of waning popularity, the rugby grounds seem to be full enough and they use tv replays to check game changing decisions.

[Donnywolf]

mmm, not sure the discussion is about the players making a mistake though is it.

On the subject of waning popularity, the rugby grounds seem to be full enough and they use tv replays to check game changing decisions.

Correct they seem to be especially in Union and the League Big Weekend - and I like the fact that almost always the TV produces a definitive (and usually correct) decision