Mandeville

[phil old leake]

Mandeville is technically good.  I went to Rochdale in the plastic cup and I thought he was quality.  Let’s give the lad a break    It’s going to be hard enough for anyway when Kiwomya starts.

[hoolahoop]

Crazy that. He could be our best player. A young kid and he gets that - crackers.  Why are football fans generally lacking brain cells?

I couldn't agree more - please if you are one of those knobheads who thinks it's funny to boo one of our young players then please give it a rest . Many of us spend good money helping to bring these young players through for you to destroy what confidence they have .
Give it a rest and support our youngsters - they need your backing.

Booing your own players individually or collectively should be a red line that good SUPPORTERS don't cross - the clue is in the name.

[philsky]

Oh why oh why do we always have to have a whipping boy.
It’s unbelievable. We have just taken 10 points from 4 games and put ourselves into a healthy league position and yet one of our own players that has come through the youth system is being subjected to so much unwarranted abuse.
I really despair at times. Get behind the lad, he is only 20years old and some of you are trying to destroy him.
I hope he doesn’t read this forum. If he does he will be wanting away.
He may well make some of you look very stupid if he goes elsewhere.

SPOT ON !

[IDM]

There was someone also sat near me, towards the end of the game (from 75 mins on?) was constantly having a go at Marquis having a bad first touch.

Marquis played every minute of all 4 games over Christmas.  Perhaps he was a bit fatigued, by the 75th minute of the 4th game, considering he runs his b*llocks off every time??

I heard someone else saying it was our worst away performance for years..

Jesus wept!!

[anne honemous]

Crazy that. He could be our best player. A young kid and he gets that - crackers.  Why are football fans generally lacking brain cells?

I couldn't agree more - please if you are one of those knobheads who thinks it's funny to boo one of our young players then please give it a rest . Many of us spend good money helping to bring these young players through for you to destroy what confidence they have .
Give it a rest and support our youngsters - they need your backing.

Booing your own players individually or collectively should be a red line that good SUPPORTERS don't cross - the clue is in the name.

Whilst I agree that booing is totally counter productive, if someone decides to do it then it doesn't make them any more or less a supporter, or you any superior to them.

Personally, I never understand why some people go to a pub and get absolutely rat arsed beforehand then watch a game but if it's what they want to do, then who is anyone to tell them otherwise?

If Mandeville doesn't like getting booed then he needs to up his performances and the chances are the boo boys will go looking for someone else.

[IDM]

Let's be clear, the reaction was of ironic cheering rather than booing.

I still thought that was out of order.  Mandeville hadn't been that bad!  Slow, yes, but with some decent touches and a willingness to shoot.

I have seen a lot worse.

[The Beast]

I remember Coppinger getting abuse by some of the Rovers faithful back in the day, also John Oster got loads of abuse, even though for me he was the best player on the pitch by a mile a lot of the time.
Marquis and May run their socks off to be fair, their energy is one of their main attributes, Mandeville for me is more creative and has a bit more vision, I don't think a lot of Rovers fans appreciate this part of the game, I was sat on the West stand Saturday and we were keeping possession really well, as the ball went sideways and backwards, you could feel the frustration in the stands as we weren't getting the ball forward quick enough for their liking.
I can't comment on his performance at Peterborough, as I had a lazy day nursing a hangover, hats off to all the hardy souls who paid £26 and spent their New Year's Day supporting the Rovers, they are better supporters than I am! I did see him in the Checkatrade and he was very impressive. We all know he has got talent, it is up to himself and the coaching staff to try and get him firing.

[anne honemous]

I remember Coppinger getting abuse by some of the Rovers faithful back in the day, also John Oster got loads of abuse, even though for me he was the best player on the pitch by a mile a lot of the time.
Marquis and May run their socks off to be fair, their energy is one of their main attributes, Mandeville for me is more creative and has a bit more vision, I don't think a lot of Rovers fans appreciate this part of the game, I was sat on the West stand Saturday and we were keeping possession really well, as the ball went sideways and backwards, you could feel the frustration in the stands as we weren't getting the ball forward quick enough for their liking.
I can't comment on his performance at Peterborough, as I had a lazy day nursing a hangover, hats off to all the hardy souls who paid £26 and spent their New Year's Day supporting the Rovers, they are better supporters than I am! I did see him in the Checkatrade and he was very impressive. We all know he has got talent, it is up to himself and the coaching staff to try and get him firing.

I suspect the reason John Oster got abuse was because he'd pretty much always look for a pass, even at times when shooting was the only option.

Great player for us though!

[DMnumber4]

Perhaps a little food for thought?

Goals by 21st birthday:
John Marquis: 6 (in 47 appearances)
James Coppinger: 3 (in 12 appearances)
Liam Mandeville: 15 (in 62 appearances) & he's six weeks from his 21st.

[anne honemous]

Perhaps a little food for thought?

Goals by 21st birthday:
John Marquis: 6 (in 47 appearances)
James Coppinger: 3 (in 12 appearances)
Liam Mandeville: 15 (in 62 appearances) & he's six weeks from his 21st.

Take away cup games and from the start of 2017 onwards, which also excludes his purple patch, you're left with the following...

Coppinger: 6 in 41
Mandeville: 1 in 19
Marquis: 21 in 48

Even if you take away Marquis' purple patch last season, he's still managed 6 in 25 league appearances this season.

I've left May's stats off as I'm trying to be kind.

[The Beast]

I think the way we are playing at the minute the strikers do a lot of unselfish work, the chances more often than not fall to the midfielders as a result of the strikers running the defence ragged and closing down so well. We've had a few penalties, again which the strikers aren't taking.

[GazLaz]

Definitely a strange case Mandeville. I remember earlier in the season he came on as sub at home, playing at the tip of the diamond, and looked an absolute world beater.

It’s not easy for players if they don’t get a run of games though, which he hasn’t really had recently.

[anne honemous]

Definitely a strange case Mandeville. I remember earlier in the season he came on as sub at home, playing at the tip of the diamond, and looked an absolute world beater.

It’s not easy for players if they don’t get a run of games though, which he hasn’t really had recently.

He's not had a run of games because on the various occasions he'd got in the side, he's never done enough to warrant being picked for a consecutive games.

If he can't grasp an opportunity, he doesn't deserve to be starting and he's had plenty of opportunities.

The same goes for any other player in the squad who finds themselves in the same position.

[DMnumber4]

Perhaps a little food for thought?

Goals by 21st birthday:
John Marquis: 6 (in 47 appearances)
James Coppinger: 3 (in 12 appearances)
Liam Mandeville: 15 (in 62 appearances) & he's six weeks from his 21st.

Take away cup games and from the start of 2017 onwards, which also excludes his purple patch, you're left with the following...

Coppinger: 6 in 41
Mandeville: 1 in 19
Marquis: 21 in 48

Even if you take away Marquis' purple patch last season, he's still managed 6 in 25 league appearances this season.

I've left May's stats off as I'm trying to be kind.

In terms of where Mandeville is at this stage of his career in comparison to some more established forwards in the side, he's ahead of the curve...no?

He's played more games and scored more goals for a start.

[RoversAlias]

That stats comparison highlights brilliantly my exact point on the previous page. DM, you've provided stats showing how well Mandeville has done for his young age, and Anne has countered by pointing out the more immediate statistics. It's all about right now for some people, they don't look beyond the immediate term and write players off accordingly (not saying that's just you though Anne, far from it).

As for John Oster, he was superb in his first season and then pretty poor thereafter. I was not a fan of him due to the fact his performances dropped off dramatically but his attitude also went with it. I remember he got his number called to be subbed in a loss at Hull when he was about to take a corner, so he picked the ball up and booted it into the crowd in annoyance. But the truth is he'd been our worst player that day and it wasn't the first time.

[Chris Black come back]

Oster. Stock. Coppinger. Woods.

Very good midfield that when they were all fit and playing well.

[Bezza]

Mandy needs to get the gloves off and show us how good he is, he definitley has the potential , but that is not always enough.

[anne honemous]

Perhaps a little food for thought?

Goals by 21st birthday:
John Marquis: 6 (in 47 appearances)
James Coppinger: 3 (in 12 appearances)
Liam Mandeville: 15 (in 62 appearances) & he's six weeks from his 21st.

Take away cup games and from the start of 2017 onwards, which also excludes his purple patch, you're left with the following...

Coppinger: 6 in 41
Mandeville: 1 in 19
Marquis: 21 in 48

Even if you take away Marquis' purple patch last season, he's still managed 6 in 25 league appearances this season.

I've left May's stats off as I'm trying to be kind.

In terms of where Mandeville is at this stage of his career in comparison to some more established forwards in the side, he's ahead of the curve...no?

He's played more games and scored more goals for a start.

Stats can be used to prove most points of view.

Incidentally, Mandeville turns 21 soon (as someone has said elsewhere) which means he's been out of the youth team for three years now. At what point should he stop being viewed as a young lad and be considered as an out and out professional?

IMO, DF isn't there to be a babysitter for him. This is mens football so it's down to him to prove his value to DF or any other manager we might have in the future whilst he's under contract.