Time as Come

[Geoff Blakesley]

I don't have anything against the guy but he seems incapable of averting slumps and downward spirals. He thinks that tactics will get us out of trouble rather than making the most of what he has got. Playing three at the back will see him sacked and the team relegated but somehow he stubbornly sticks to it along with the diamond.

[drfchound]

That is a fair enough summary Mr B.

[dickos1]

Not sure how you can stubbornly stick to two different systems.
And he's already stopped a terrible run once this season

[DonnyOsmond]

Me personally, I see that a manager needs plenty of time to build something long term, look at SOD for instance, people wanted him out before he turned water into wine. At the moment though were playing 90% crap football, its mostly just hoof it up to Marquis or out wide and hopefully win a challenge in the air, no actual build up play. Were basically not even playing the first half of games and only starting on the 45th minute then chasing games. The bad run has ended up after the defensive injuries, yes there was a few draws before that but some were against quality teams like Shrewbury.

I hate the short termism of the game nowadays, you give a manager time and he'll succeed. Give another manager this squad and he might not know what to do with it mid season without the option to bring players in and we end up going backwards, you end up in a spiral.

He needs till the end of the season and as long as we stay up and play more entertaining then he stays for next season. If we carry on only playing the second half of games and playing hoofball then its a no for me.

I want a manager that uses his midfield and plays entertaining football but there's so few British managers like that, I'd go for ROK or a foreign manager. ROK would hopefully be a SOD minus bringing on a defender with 10 mins to go for a striker and conceding late goals and the shit defending of corners.

[Chris Black come back]

Or - were the crap bits of SOD actually all the doing of ROK? Who knows....

[RoversAlias]

Get rid and get Gareth ainsworth in

Him who their fans hate for his negative football?

I'm no Gareth Ainsworth fan but if Wycombe fans are complaining at being 3rd in the league they need to get some perspective.

That reminds me of another club's fans about 9-10 months ago...

[The Red Baron]

I'm not calling for his head but that performance was totally unacceptable on any level. I have to wonder if he can get the best out of the players at his disposal. All three midfielders were shocking tonight. I don't think Kongolo should still be here, but Whiteman and Houghton are just not performing at the level they are capable of. And Tommy Rowe is being wasted at left back, although I didn't think he played particularly well tonight.

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark, to coin a phrase. We dodged a bullet on Saturday, not so tonight. If there isn't a big improvement on Saturday then I might be be persuaded that changing the manager offers our best chance of staying up this season.

[Akinfenwa]

I too dislike the short termism when it comes to hiring/firing managers, but I don't think just giving any old manager plenty of time guarantees that things will work out either. Being too patient with the wrong manager could end up being just as detrimental as knee-jerk short-termism.

There's clearly a balance to be struck and the manager deserves time to get things right. However if the manager proves incapable of showing sufficient progression towards the long term goals then I think you'd be mad not to consider your options IMO.

Fergie will fall into that category if it looks like he can't hack it in League 1 (again) with a supposedly decent budget. If he struggles to keep the club in the league and the football is far from encouraging then what's the point?

[DonnyBazR0ver]

What worries me and many others I guess, is the drop in performance levels of too many players.

We know it's a team performance that matters but players like Houghton and Whiteman who were worthy of 7 or 8/10 performances are now struggling for 5s or 6s. They just don't seem to be doing what they're capable of. We can't sustain anything if only a couple of players achieve 7/10 each week.

It's not a new phenomenon so, it points to DF doing the same things and expecting better results.

In his defence though, or rather our central defence is made up players who have mustered half a dozen appearances between them. We need Baudry back pronto and Butler as soon as possible.

Once again, the character of the players is going to be seriously tested.

[Rovers91]

DF is a good manager but like most managers he needs consistency from his players .when you don’t get two games the same it’s hard to explain how he can take things to another level. I believe our poor preseason has layed the foundation for where we are now . Players coming in on loan then injuries, then more loans coming in . This is not a team but a jig saw . The solution has to lay in getting to player signed up from the start and with sufficient experience at level required.

How are players meant to get consistency when he doesn't know his best team or formation and is constantly tinkering with the team. The blame is with the manager and not players. He got us relegated when we shouldn't have, we finished 3rd in a one horse race and now performances are heading to another relegation battle even though the players he has are better than that.

[DonnyOsmond]

DF is a good manager but like most managers he needs consistency from his players .when you don’t get two games the same it’s hard to explain how he can take things to another level. I believe our poor preseason has layed the foundation for where we are now . Players coming in on loan then injuries, then more loans coming in . This is not a team but a jig saw . The solution has to lay in getting to player signed up from the start and with sufficient experience at level required.

How are players meant to get consistency when he doesn't know his best team or formation and is constantly tinkering with the team. The blame is with the manager and not players. He got us relegated when we shouldn't have, we finished 3rd in a one horse race and now performances are heading to another relegation battle even though the players he has are better than that.

You adapt to the opposition in front of you...

If the team you feel plan B would be better against the team you're up against then he should play plan B, you don't stick to plan A blindly.

[Campsall rover]

DF is a good manager but like most managers he needs consistency from his players .when you don’t get two games the same it’s hard to explain how he can take things to another level. I believe our poor preseason has layed the foundation for where we are now . Players coming in on loan then injuries, then more loans coming in . This is not a team but a jig saw . The solution has to lay in getting to player signed up from the start and with sufficient experience at level required.

How are players meant to get consistency when he doesn't know his best team or formation and is constantly tinkering with the team. The blame is with the manager and not players. He got us relegated when we shouldn't have, we finished 3rd in a one horse race and now performances are heading to another relegation battle even though the players he has are better than that.

You adapt to the opposition in front of you...

If the team you feel plan B would be better against the team you're up against then he should play plan B, you don't stick to plan A blindly.

That’s working well isn’t it?

[DearneValleyRover]

Playing a 4-4-2 formation was getting us results, we were competitive even if not winning and solid but he tinkers with the diamond and 3-5-2 which don't work, it's this aspect which is so infuriating.

[DonnyOsmond]

DF is a good manager but like most managers he needs consistency from his players .when you don’t get two games the same it’s hard to explain how he can take things to another level. I believe our poor preseason has layed the foundation for where we are now . Players coming in on loan then injuries, then more loans coming in . This is not a team but a jig saw . The solution has to lay in getting to player signed up from the start and with sufficient experience at level required.

How are players meant to get consistency when he doesn't know his best team or formation and is constantly tinkering with the team. The blame is with the manager and not players. He got us relegated when we shouldn't have, we finished 3rd in a one horse race and now performances are heading to another relegation battle even though the players he has are better than that.

You adapt to the opposition in front of you...

If the team you feel plan B would be better against the team you're up against then he should play plan B, you don't stick to plan A blindly.

That’s working well isn’t it?

I'm not saying he's picking the best plan A and B possible or the ones I would but you have to have different options and adapt.

[acko]

Its not a problem weather should stay or go,the problem goes deeper his relationship with the chairman is rocky to say the least.Survival this season is a must and IMO we should have enough points in hand to do this.Then at the end of season give him a bigger enough budgett so he can build is own side instead of all these loan players.Its something hes never had and if another manager took over working with the same restraints would find it very difficult.The board dont seem to be interested in what goes on on the playing side but there again we dont have a John Ryan or Dick Watson at the club who were both passionate about the club.IMO either DF will go or the current chairman before the season ends and i know which way i would vote but i fear it will be the other one what stays

[phil old leake]

Stick with DF until the end of the season. I think we have just about enough to survive. End of season and review it then   Changing now and it will go 2 ways. 
The way things are going I think we can say goodbye to Houghton signing on a permanent

[Campsall rover]

Its not a problem weather should stay or go,the problem goes deeper his relationship with the chairman is rocky to say the least.Survival this season is a must and IMO we should have enough points in hand to do this.Then at the end of season give him a bigger enough budgett so he can build is own side instead of all these loan players.Its something hes never had and if another manager took over working with the same restraints would find it very difficult.The board dont seem to be interested in what goes on on the playing side but there again we dont have a John Ryan or Dick Watson at the club who were both passionate about the club.IMO either DF will go or the current chairman before the season ends and i know which way i would vote but i fear it will be the other one what stays

Nothing to do with budgets. We have a competitive budget for this league almost certainly it is a top 10 budget.
The problem is 1) We don’t have a set way of playing a system that fits the players we have.
2) A manager who tinkers with formations match after match and during matches sometimes 3/4 times in the same match.
2) A manager who plays two of ou most creative forward ( attacking midfielders ) as conventional full backs in a 4 or wing backs in a 3/5
The only people at fault are Ferguson & Strachan. Not the players. The players don’t are confued, disjointed, and are NOW SERIOUSLY LACKING IN SELF BELIEF & CONFIDENCE abased on what I saw last night.
Time for a new voice in the dressing room. I would give him his P45 on Saturday at 5-00pm unless we see a huge transformation on Saturday and it will have to be huge to even beat what I think is pretty  poor Fleetwood team.
I would make Russ Wilcox caretaker manager and let the board take their time in finding the right man to take us forward.
Any thoughts from others out there on this would be good to hear.

[anton123]

4-4 f**king 2 please on Saturday solid in the middle of the park and pace on the wings with blare n Alex come on fergi it doesn’t take a brain surgeon to work out

[Cantley Rover]

He is obsessed with playing 3 at the back. It has never worked for us but he is so stubborn it is as if he is sticking with it to try and prove a point.
Ditch the 3 at the back and play with 2 centre backs and 2 full backs then we might have a chance of staying in this division.

[dickos1]

When we play 4 at the back and get beat or play shite nobody blames the system. But when it's 3 at the back it's the first thing people use.
We've won a few games this season with 3 at the back.