Clubs we had a higher attendance than

[Boomstick]

Bournemouth
Brentford
Hull City
Rotherham
Wigan
Blackpool
Bristol rovers
Charlton Athletic
Luton Town
Peterborough
Plymouth
Shrewsbury
Southend
Wycombe

And every league 2 club (except franchise fc in a huge crunch game for them with 4k away fans)

My point is that the potential is there, just need the right marketing and pricing. Our attendances are going up alot.
Maybe using the TLO and pub team phrases should now be dropped, no longer relevant at all. We're no longer a joke club, We are a serious club, which can be easily established in the 2nd tier of football. (the 5th most watched league in the world)
Other clubs take us seriously, we should too, if we don't it will be harder to reach our potential.

[DonnyOsmond]

We get about 2% of the town's population so there will always be potential for growth. We probably have some of Bassetlaw as a catchment area too.

[Campsall rover]

Bournemouth
Brentford
Hull City
Rotherham
Wigan
Blackpool
Bristol rovers
Charlton Athletic
Luton Town
Peterborough
Plymouth
Shrewsbury
Southend
Wycombe

And every league 2 club (except franchise fc in a huge crunch game for them with 4k away fans)

My point is that the potential is there, just need the right marketing and pricing. Our attendances are going up alot.
Maybe using the TLO and pub team phrases should now be dropped, no longer relevant at all. We're no longer a joke club, We are a serious club, which can be easily established in the 2nd tier of football. (the 5th most watched league in the world)
Other clubs take us seriously, we should too, if we don't it will be harder to reach our potential.

Bang on Boomstick this is exactly what i think and have said in numerous posts.
If you want something to happen badly enough and you have a plan as how your going to achieve that goal then IT IS ACHIEVABLE.

[Campsall rover]

Bournemouth
Brentford
Hull City
Rotherham
Wigan
Blackpool
Bristol rovers
Charlton Athletic
Luton Town
Peterborough
Plymouth
Shrewsbury
Southend
Wycombe

And every league 2 club (except franchise fc in a huge crunch game for them with 4k away fans)

My point is that the potential is there, just need the right marketing and pricing. Our attendances are going up alot.
Maybe using the TLO and pub team phrases should now be dropped, no longer relevant at all. We're no longer a joke club, We are a serious club, which can be easily established in the 2nd tier of football. (the 5th most watched league in the world)
Other clubs take us seriously, we should too, if we don't it will be harder to reach our potential.

Bang on Boomstick this is exactly what i think and have said in numerous posts.
If you want something to happen badly enough and you have a plan as how your going to achieve that goal then IT IS ACHIEVABLE.

[Bristol Red Rover]

If we are playing entertaining football, this is the kind of crowd we can regularly get in the Championship in years to come.

I mentioned elsewhere how the average of these last two seasons is 500+ up on the average of our previous two promotion to the Championship seasons. In itself that's at least £3k a week for a players wages, more with all the extra spending of people attending.

With the tireless efforts from the club in improving fan experience (and that HAS to keep progressing), building the image of the club there is no reason we can't progress.

I expect there will also be somewhat of a snowball effect whereby going to the Rovers is seen even more as a thing to do, plus the attractiveness from the improved atmosphere of a bigger crowd.

[tyke1962]

There's no doubt clubs such as ourselves are finding it increasingly difficult to grow .

The PL seems to grab the younger fan and it's the cool thing to do , SKY provides the coverage without having to go anywhere near Old Trafford , Anfield or the Etihad .

We've hit a wall at 12k , 14k for the bigger games , I was disappointed with our attendance for our last home game against Blackpool at 14,700 .

We would have pulled in over 20k in the early 80's .

Pricing doesn't help , £26 for League One football , hmmm !!! .

Then again knock it down to £10 and we can't bring players like Cauley Woodrow to the club .

Dammned if you do , look at Bradford City , dammned if you don't and can't grow the club further .

Very difficult to say the least and makes championship football very difficult to sustain .

[Bristol Red Rover]

Best tier 3 attendance for Barnsley in the 7 since the 12,800 in 80/81. You'd have to go back to 38/39 for the previous better average. No reason you can't get to 14/15k next season.

[WheatleyRover]

But how can we take the average attendance figures seriously, if they're adding on to the attendance for people who don't show up to the games, there weren't 10,000 home fans in on Saturday.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Agreed, it looked more like 8500/9000 from what I saw? It would be good to also see actual attendance, but as far as the club is concerned, a paid for seat counts.

[Campsall rover]

Season tickets are seats sold whether they are in attendance or not.
If people pay for tickets and don’t come to matches well that’s not the clubs problem.

[tyke1962]

Best tier 3 attendance for Barnsley in the 7 since the 12,800 in 80/81. You'd have to go back to 38/39 for the previous better average. No reason you can't get to 14/15k next season.

I wouldn't expect us to average 20k but for a game of such importance against Blackpool I thought we could and should have hit at least 18k .

The thing that really puzzles myself and I'm certain its the same at Rovers .

We play Blackpool in the play off final or Rovers play Coventry City and 25k will follow our clubs to Wembley at massive expense alongside the travel .......and yet for games of equal importance we can't get the attendances we desire on our own patch .

Bizarre .

[Campsall rover]

Tyke you should not moan at your gates they are 4,500 ave more than ours.
Historically when the teams are at an equal level and both having a decent season your gates are around 2,000 more than ours. This season you have more than doubled the difference.
Wish our ave was over 12,000 that is good for League 1
You have nothing to moan about believe me.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Your talking about the occasional supporters who just do not have the same level of interest as the posters on here. Also people who have Saturday jobs, family commitments etc. They will turn out for the bigger games when possible. Although the pricing helps, it's not a barrier to people turning up in bigger numbers.

You could follow the Bradford example but they haven't got a pot to piss in. It's about getting the balance right and I believe the club have pretty much. Yes, of course there's room for natural growth through keeping the gradual progression on and off the pitch.

[mjg]

Success and entertainment puts bums on seats . If it was free people wouldn’t go if it was boring

[sheffield exile1]

Unfortunately football attendances are relative. Post war every club had shed loads of fans (often massive attendances at reserves when the first team was away as no-one travelled far). However in the 50's the programmes of the era bemoaned Rovers lack of fans even in the Doherty golden age. The 70's decimated families at out of date crumbling terraced grounds with a percentage of "boot boys" rampaging against each other. Going away was an acievement in its own right. That era L**ds and Wendies/Blunts regulars in Division 1-cue big attendances. Until Bremner we did nothing in Division 4 for years, no great attraction. Then the Richardson era- nuff said. Its actually real credit we have a nice new ground, sustainable finances a team in the play-offs for the Championship. However with sky/video games etc.the attendances will never get massive lets just hope we can build on what we have....

[tyke1962]

Tyke you should not moan at your gates they are 4,500 ave more than ours.
Historically when the teams are at an equal level and both having a decent season your gates are around 2,000 more than ours. This season you have more than doubled the difference.
Wish our ave was over 12,000 that is good for League 1
You have nothing to moan about believe me.

But it's all relative Campsall , Fleetwood fans could say yourselves have nothing to moan about as you have double the attendances they enjoy .

Personally speaking and looking at the championship as it is today we need to attract 16k season ticket holders to  create the turnover to sustain championship football , allowing for an average of 2k away fans this should give us gates of 18k plus .

That in my opinion is where we need to be to be able to compete effectively at this level .

We are 4k short of that and possibly why we are currently yo yoing between the championship and league one , falling short on budget in the championship but extremely competitive for League One .

Which is why I've said we have hit a wall at 12k and finding it difficult to grow anymore .

We both know our clubs can attract the extra numbers we both need to fulfill both our potentials .

Doncaster is a significantly bigger place than Barnsley capable of drawing in support from North Nottinghamshire and Lincolnshire in my opinion .

These are the kind of problems both our owners need to be trying to solve and not just settling for how things are if we are to enjoy seasons of sustained championship football .

That is where the bar should be set for both our clubs and not a millimetre lower .

[normal rules]

Best tier 3 attendance for Barnsley in the 7 since the 12,800 in 80/81. You'd have to go back to 38/39 for the previous better average. No reason you can't get to 14/15k next season.

I wouldn't expect us to average 20k but for a game of such importance against Blackpool I thought we could and should have hit at least 18k .

The thing that really puzzles myself and I'm certain its the same at Rovers .

We play Blackpool in the play off final or Rovers play Coventry City and 25k will follow our clubs to Wembley at massive expense alongside the travel .......and yet for games of equal importance we can't get the attendances we desire on our own patch .

Bizarre .

Days out at Wembley will attract all sorts, including those not remotely interested in football. It’s the location and occasion that attracts. All lower league clubs that attend play off finals attract massively bigger suppport that’s anything they can get at home.
That said, I think Leeds could have filled Wembley alone that day we played them.

[tyke1962]

Best tier 3 attendance for Barnsley in the 7 since the 12,800 in 80/81. You'd have to go back to 38/39 for the previous better average. No reason you can't get to 14/15k next season.

I wouldn't expect us to average 20k but for a game of such importance against Blackpool I thought we could and should have hit at least 18k .

The thing that really puzzles myself and I'm certain its the same at Rovers .

We play Blackpool in the play off final or Rovers play Coventry City and 25k will follow our clubs to Wembley at massive expense alongside the travel .......and yet for games of equal importance we can't get the attendances we desire on our own patch .

Bizarre .

Days out at Wembley will attract all sorts, including those not remotely interested in football. It’s the location and occasion that attracts. All lower league clubs that attend play off finals attract massively bigger suppport that’s anything they can get at home.
That said, I think Leeds could have filled Wembley alone that day we played them.

If both our clubs only attracted half the extra fans we take to Wembley we'd be significantly on to something .