Farage

[Bentley Bullet]

Once again BB, you don't address the core point I have been trying to make for years.

Your stance is: I'll turn a blind eye to the manifest inadequacies of the 2016 vote. I won't discuss those at all. I'll continue to insist that that vote was an ideal of democratic decision making which must not be questioned. And I'll choose to be one of the ones who would pour fuel on any sparks that might crackle if that decision were revisited, by encouraging and condoning it being seen as a betrayal, rather than a better democratic process.

I understand that argument. Genuinely I do. Because it's an easy one to make. We had a choice. We made a choice. End of. But surely, after all this time, you see the shortcomings of that "decision". The fact that the "decision" wasn't a "decision" at all. It was an opening for the far right of British politics to interpret what it meant, and everyone else to be excluded?

You DO see that don't you?

Oh no. I forgot. Of course you don't. Because, despite there being zero evidence to support it, you continue to make the accusation that the delay is all the fault of evil, scheming Remainers.

By the way, I'll say again, for the umpteenth time. I'm NOT trying to get the 2016 vote decision reversed. That's not for me to do. I'm trying to get it clarified.

The core point is there was a democratic referendum and the result should stand. My stance on turning a blind eye to manifesto inadequacies in the 2016 referendum is no different from any other manifesto inadequacies that always come to light after a vote. The difference in this case, of course, is that people like you have been given time to jump on the bandwagon with accusation after accusation because the people who should have brought us Brexit by now don't want it, and never did. Even those who spent a their life wanting out of the EU (Corbyn?), are trying to keep us in purely in an attempt to gain power.

Of course, the Remainers are to blame because it's them that want us to stay in! It's now't to do with how we leave, they don't want to. If they wanted to leave they wouldn't call themselves Remainers!

[scawsby steve]

Why do they give this man airtime?

I'm surprised at you Raven. Do you realise how undemocratic that statement is? We don't agree with his views, so let them be stifled.

That's what totalitarian countries do.

How much national airtime in recent weeks have you had to give your views SS?

I don't need it Raven, I get plenty of exposure on here, LOL. Seriously though, I think you'll find Farage doesn't get all that much air time for the leader of a party that's polling so well.

[IDM]

Are you talking about remainer MPs BB.?  General public remainers cannot affect Brexit no more than leavers can.

As for manifesto inadequacies, if that’s in a GE then we get a chance to correct that at the next GE.  How does that option work for Brexit.?

[Bentley Bullet]

I'm talking about MP Remainers, but without the support of general public Remainers the MP's wouldn't have anyone to claim they're representing.

We can re-join the EU if after a reasonable time leaving proves to be a mistake. Of course, we have to leave first!

[IDM]

How long would we need to prove it was a mistake.?

One of the arguments is that it would already be a mistake when we leave.!

[Bentley Bullet]

Hopefully, we won't ever need to go back, although one or two in here would say it's a failure if we all became millionaires!

[BillyStubbsTears]

And once again, BB totally ignores the point I made a week or so back on how we WOULD have left in March if the far-right of the Tory party hadn't been scheming.

Not a passing nod to that argument.

Nope. It's all the fault of everyone else of course. Even though there's never been any word about exactly HOW the Remain-supporting MPs have kyboshed the process.


Almost as if BB doesn't actually want to engage in sensible, fact-based discussion...

[Bentley Bullet]

BST. Far from me being responsible for the thinking of the far-right tories who rejected May's deal, but I do believe they wanted to leave but didn't like the deal. Maybe in hindsight, some of them would have voted to accept the deal had they known then what they knew later. Whatever, they still wanted to leave, and carry out a democratic vote. On the other hand, there were MP's hell-bent on remaining, the most prominent one being Corbyn Monoxide, and all put their personal careers and beliefs before democracy in order of importance.

[bobjimwilly]

and all put their personal careers and beliefs before democracy in order of importance.

nope.

all put their country before politics, actually. It would be far easier to support a no-deal Brexit right now in all those constiuencies that had a majorty vote for brexit. A lot of Labour MP's will have a far tougher election campaign because they are putting country before politics.

[i_ateallthepies]

Aaand, maybe in hindsight some of those who voted leave in the referendum wouldn't have done had they known then what they know now.

[Bentley Bullet]

And maybe in hindsight I could win last Saturday's lottery. I bet the buggers wouldn't let me change my numbers though. They'd just say it wouldn't be fair on those who'd won it genuinely, and it would be wrong to pay me instead of them...... Picky bas**rds.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB

Is that THIS Corbyn from 2018?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/21/jeremy-corbyn-labour-policy-leaving-eu

Or this Corbyn from 2017?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/09/jeremy-corbyn-uk-is-better-off-out-of-eu-with-managed-migration

Or this Corbyn from sparrowfart on 24 June 2016?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DpBmuIHfFWdM&ved=2ahUKEwi7xIuPzvvkAhUWSBUIHUkpBzoQo7QBMAl6BAgAEBQ&usg=AOvVaw0ZJwgQNC7p-JpLruw9Wirv

Do you actually have any self-respect?

[Bentley Bullet]

So Corbyn only wants to leave if he's PM? He changes his mind to suit the popular opinion of the day? I don't get your point.

Are you saying you're now a fan of him?

[BillyStubbsTears]

You're an embarrassment to yourself BB.

[Bentley Bullet]

What happened to being nice to each other, Billy lad?

Is it a coincidence that your threshold of niceness runs out when you don't want to answer a question?

[BillyStubbsTears]

No. My threshold of niceness runs out when you dive into this idiotic behaviour.

Corbyn has said consistently that he was in favour of leaving, on specific terms.

I thought he was broadly correct in thinking that in 2017. I think he's wrong to think that now.

I also think you should grow up but I'm not holding my breath.

[Bentley Bullet]

So why then, in June 2016, in the run-up to the EU referendum, did Corbyn say that there was an "overwhelming case" for staying in the EU?

[Iberian Red]

So Corbyn only wants to leave if he's PM? He changes his mind to suit the popular opinion of the day? I don't get your point.

Are you saying you're now a fan of him?

In the words of New Model Army,"Dont ask anymore stupid questions"
Last week you basically called me a wa*nker. You call others pathetic remoaners.
You really do have some personal issues going on there.
I remember seeing your defence of Mason when he had touched a woman up,and thought...hmmm imagine if that was your wife or daughter.
Hypocrite an bulls hitter of the highest order.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I meant he has consistently been in favour of Leaving SINCE the vote.

Go on. Next.

[DonnyOsmond]

What's Corbyns personal opinion got to do with anything? Labours policy is based on what their members decide on.

[SydneyRover]

''Burger King milkshake tweet 'encouraged' anti-social conduct''

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-49895800

Of course nothing that fargo has said would have had a similar effect?

[SydneyRover]

''Here is Guy Verhofstadt, the European parliament’s lead Brexit spokesman, on Nigel Farage’s decision not to stand for Westminster. Farage, of course, remains an MEP.''

Farage gets a bucket too, stand well clear 

this one is quite entertaining.


https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/1191288029761220609/video/1

[bpoolrover]

Be better if none of them were there all they do is slag each other off all as bad as each other

[SydneyRover]

Be better if none of them were there all they do is slag each other off all as bad as each other

the old ''all as bad as other line'' got any new ones bp 

[BillyStubbsTears]

Christ. THE laziest line in politics.

[bpoolrover]

Does not mean it’s not true, as on the nhs post you said that labour pumped money into the nhs when I asked about Blair, was it you being lazy missing the rest of the post out?

[scawsby steve]

Christ. THE laziest line in politics.

Oh yeah. ALL those on the right are the bad guys; ALL those on the left are the good guys. What could be lazier thinking than that?

It couldn't be something to do with being partisan and blinkered could it?

[SydneyRover]

Here's most of the bad guys Steve, don't they like women?

Fargo mocks 'good little Boys who backed brexit'


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/04/boris-johnson-criticised-for-selective-quotes-about-nhs-in-letter-to-voters

[SydneyRover]

Farage appeared with antisemitic pastor on US web radio show

Brexit party leader gave at least six long interviews to Rick Wiles on the TruNews network

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/09/farage-appeared-with-antisemitic-pastor-on-us-web-radio-show

there's a common thread when far right 'leaders' are critically examined

[foxbat]

Farage is had a bit of a nightmare on #bbcqtdebate
I don't think he enjoyed it.
#Channel4News also showed his #BrexitParty to be a bunch of racists.