River Don tide times

[drfchound]

Have you ever seen the Mississippi?

You build extra capacity in the river channel where you need it. You allow controlled flooding into flood plain areas. Like Thorne Moor as Wilts discussed a day or two ago.

What's the alternative? Expect Sheffield to flood once a decade? That's economically insane. Protect Sheffield and leave the east side of Donny unprotected? That's immoral.

There was a designated flood plain area close to Donny, off the Barnby Dun to Arksey road.
It was created after problems in the nineties and worked well up to this debacle, since the Sheffield defences were built.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sheffield was always going to be protected. Because the financial cost of not doing was too high. A rational plan would have followed the consequences downstream. But that gets cut when the funding is cut.

[Filo]

Controlled flooding on washlands is the answer, sluice gates to facilitate flooding until that area is full and then flood the next area until full and so on, distribute the water evenly down the river and then pump it back in when the river is down

[Nudga]

Hearing looters are breaking into properties in Fishlake. Also the community centre has been robbed of supplies for the flood victims.

[Filo]

Hearing looters are breaking into properties in Fishlake. Also the community centre has been robbed of supplies for the flood victims.

The looters were just a rumour, however theives tried to nick the high volume pumps the environment agency brought in.

The community centre one was in Moorends were all the donations were being sent, half hour after it closed for the night

[Donnywolf]

Apparantly they (he - because they have a big clue as to the persons identity) did not steal anything (at Moorends CC that is) but did smash the door to get in

I saw those 3 ladies on Look North the other night working like dogs to service Fishlake and every resupply trip involved  a 40 mile round trip to a secret store. What in the worls have we come to when they felt they needed a secret store. As if they wern't doing enough good already they have to keep stuff in a remote place to stop said t leaves at bay

Well done anyway ladies ! Proud of you all

[Padge_DRFC]

Hearing looters are breaking into properties in Fishlake. Also the community centre has been robbed of supplies for the flood victims.

The looters were just a rumour, however theives tried to nick the high volume pumps the environment agency brought in.

The community centre one was in Moorends were all the donations were being sent, half hour after it closed for the night

Shame they can't get swept away in the floods. The thieves btw. Pricks.

[Axholme Lion]

Looters should be shot and their bodies hung from a lamppost as you enter the town as a warning to others.

[wing commander]

  it's times like this that both the good and bad in humanity comes out.There has been some fantastic community spirit shown in these areas with people going to real extremes to help out others.I only know of one a friend of mine is a fireman and the hours they have put in is a credit to them,staying when there off shift to help,farmers as well doing everything they can to help people..it's fantastic to see..

  However there is always a tiny minority of people who couldn't care less about other people who will look to take advantage by stealing,it's difficult to identify with these people.I myself had my house robbed a couple of years ago,golf clubs,fishing gear telly etc etc,thats one thing but they even went into my daughters bedroom and stole her peppa pig money box and then into my son's and took his minion one..You've got to be a special kind of lowlife scum to do that..!!

[Axholme Lion]

  it's times like this that both the good and bad in humanity comes out.There has been some fantastic community spirit shown in these areas with people going to real extremes to help out others.I only know of one a friend of mine is a fireman and the hours they have put in is a credit to them,staying when there off shift to help,farmers as well doing everything they can to help people..it's fantastic to see..

  However there is always a tiny minority of people who couldn't care less about other people who will look to take advantage by stealing,it's difficult to identify with these people.I myself had my house robbed a couple of years ago,golf clubs,fishing gear telly etc etc,thats one thing but they even went into my daughters bedroom and stole her peppa pig money box and then into my son's and took his minion one..You've got to be a special kind of lowlife scum to do that..!!

We have decades of children not being punished for wrong doing to thank for this. They grow up knowing they can do anything they want and you can't touch them.

[drfchound]

Yep, many of them are second and third generation thieves.

[scawsby steve]

  it's times like this that both the good and bad in humanity comes out.There has been some fantastic community spirit shown in these areas with people going to real extremes to help out others.I only know of one a friend of mine is a fireman and the hours they have put in is a credit to them,staying when there off shift to help,farmers as well doing everything they can to help people..it's fantastic to see..

  However there is always a tiny minority of people who couldn't care less about other people who will look to take advantage by stealing,it's difficult to identify with these people.I myself had my house robbed a couple of years ago,golf clubs,fishing gear telly etc etc,thats one thing but they even went into my daughters bedroom and stole her peppa pig money box and then into my son's and took his minion one..You've got to be a special kind of lowlife scum to do that..!!

We have decades of children not being punished for wrong doing to thank for this. They grow up knowing they can do anything they want and you can't touch them.

It's called Liberalism AL. It's ruining society. Tell people they have the right to go out on the streets and do what they want, and that's exactly what they'll do.

[Filo]

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/muslim-charity-comes-aid-flood-victims-deluged-doncaster-village-1249950


Ironically they are from Bolton

[Muttley]

I saw those 3 ladies on Look North the other night working like dogs to service Fishlake and every resupply trip involved  a 40 mile round trip to a secret store. What in the worls have we come to when they felt they needed a secret store. As if they wern't doing enough good already they have to keep stuff in a remote place to stop said t leaves at bay

Well done anyway ladies ! Proud of you all

They weren't local so presumably they were just travelling back to where they lived to collect more supplies.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I hate to intrude on an old man pub bore-off, but...well, you're talking ba-baa.

Rates for pretty much every type of crime are lower now than they were in 1980.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Crime-survey-for-England-and-Wales-1981-2013-incidence-rates-per-1000-households-or_fig5_296682630

Which raises the question: if liberalism is to blame for the current state of affairs, what in God's name was the problem with people raised in the 1950s?

[drfchound]

BST, as that graph is almost seven years out of date i was wondering how it would look now.
Would cyber theft and scams be included in robbery and we all know that knife attacks have shot up so I guess that would be included in the violence line.
This is not a politically themed question by the way, just a general response to your post.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Fair question Hound.

This is the only info I can find.


This is from the Crime Survey of England & Wales. They only started including fraud and cyber crime recently. But even including those, the total incidence of crime is still lower than 30-40 years ago. And obviously the figures from 30-40 years ago are underestimates because they don't include fraud.

[drfchound]

Cheers for that.

[Axholme Lion]

Probably because it's a waste of time reporting anything other than 'hate crime' to the Old Bill nowadays.
Car vandalised, 'too busy'.
Shed broken into, 'too busy'.
Burglary, 'too busy'.
Someone called me a nasty name, 'Quick get six patrol cars and a helicopter on the job'.

[scawsby steve]

I hate to intrude on an old man pub bore-off, but...well, you're talking ba-baa.

Rates for pretty much every type of crime are lower now than they were in 1980.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Crime-survey-for-England-and-Wales-1981-2013-incidence-rates-per-1000-households-or_fig5_296682630

Which raises the question: if liberalism is to blame for the current state of affairs, what in God's name was the problem with people raised in the 1950s?

If that's aimed at me, I don't use pubs these days, and what is it with you and old people? Have you got some sort of dread of it?

It's noticeable that you're always quoting stats and surveys. Who was it who said "There are statistics, more statistics, and damned lies"? I don't understand why you can't just view the world through your own eyes, ears, and brain, instead of someone elses.

Just look around you; no coppers anywhere, a soft judicial system that criminals laugh at, and guns, knives, and drugs everywhere. Can't you see the correlations there?

Anyone suggesting that times are safer nowadays is delusional.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Yeah, I was waiting for that response AL.

Those figures are from the England and Wales Crime Survey.

They don't use police figures, because that doesn't include unreported crime. They use figures from a massive nationwide survey if people's actual experiences.

SS.
I've said several times before, I don't have any issue with old people. I hope to become one myself before too long. And some of the finest people I've ever known are old people who use their life experience to reflect on the world as it actually is.

[Bentley Bullet]

Yeah, I was waiting for that response AL.

Those figures are from the England and Wales Crime Survey.

They don't use police figures, because that doesn't include unreported crime. They use figures from a massive nationwide survey if people's actual experiences.

SS.
I've said several times before, I don't have any issue with old people. I hope to become one myself before too long. And  some of the finest people I've ever known are old people who use their life experience to reflect on the world as it actually is.

Cheers for the compliment but I'm not that chuffin' old.

[Axholme Lion]

Yeah, I was waiting for that response AL.

Those figures are from the England and Wales Crime Survey.

They don't use police figures, because that doesn't include unreported crime. They use figures from a massive nationwide survey if people's actual experiences.

SS.
I've said several times before, I don't have any issue with old people. I hope to become one myself before too long. And some of the finest people I've ever known are old people who use their life experience to reflect on the world as it actually is.

Using my own eyes from what I see the place is a lot worse than what it use to be. I always stay aware of who is knocking around me nowadays when walking through any town. As stated elsewhere drugs are rife but you hardly see anyone getting done for possession or anything. A five minute walk through most town centres and you will come across quite a few shady characters lurking in doorways. As I said I dare say most crime does not get reported because there's no chance of the OB doing anything about it, which in itself is not surprising unless they are on the lookout for doughnut thieves in Morrisons. I feel more unsafe and at risk than ever before.

[andy didcott]

 Crikey, poor bugger, mans body found in floodwater, barnby Dunn to Arksey road.

[Wild Rover]

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/muslim-charity-comes-aid-flood-victims-deluged-doncaster-village-1249950


Ironically they are from Bolton

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