From Russia with Love

[SydneyRover]

Presumably all those whom accused Corben of being a communist did it because of their hatred of communism and all that goes with it. These same people you would think would be screaming out for the release of the results of this enquiry to expose the extent of infiltration?

First a reminder:

‘’After his arrest in Madrid, the financier explains why he’s one of the Kremlin’s main enemies
For a decade, until he was deported in 2005, Browder lived in Moscow and ran Russia’s most successful investment fund. Soon afterwards, a small group of corrupt officials effectively hijacked his fund, Hermitage Capital Management, and used it to perpetrate a massive tax fraud, stealing $230m.

Three years later, Sergei Magnitsky, a Russian lawyer hired by Browder, uncovered the money trail. He was thrown into jail, denied medical treatment – he suffered from gallstones and pancreatitis – and in 2009 was beaten to death by guards in his cell. Aged 37, he left a wife and two young sons’’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/01/bill-browder-interview-i-found-way-take-on-putin-hes-really-sore

Now the latest:

‘’Russia has been accused of hiring a network of British politicians and consultants to help advance its criminal interests and to “go after” Vladimir Putin’s enemies in London, MPs who drew up the Russia report suppressed by Boris Johnson were told’’
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/09/russia-network-britons-enemies-vladimir-putin-report

[bpoolrover]

It says both labour and tories and to be fair it’s one persons view on things it would depend what evidence he has

[SydneyRover]

It says both labour and tories and to be fair it’s one persons view on things it would depend what evidence he has

''It says both labour and tories''

Not sure what your point is if they are stooges for the Russians we should know about it, no?

''to be fair it’s one persons view on things it would depend what evidence he has''

Who has? if you're talking about the enquiry that's the point of my post, If you're talking about Browder many countries support what he says and have imposed sanctions.

I remember you looking a bit foolish trying to link JC with terrorists, can't remember if you also called him a friend of the Russians bp?

Added, I should say you weren't the only one doing that.

[selby]

 It doesn't matter who you try and link JC with now he is just yesterdays fish and chip paper, and most likely the people he is linked with are the same.

[SydneyRover]

It was only petty political crap anyway selby, which you should readily recognise 

[foxbat]

So let us see the unredacted Russia report and judge for ourselves.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Or even a redacted version. Anything.

It's shocking how no-one seems to give a f**k about this. Flagrant disregard for Parliamentary processes. The Select Committees are pretty much the only mechanism that Parliament has to hold a Govt to account. But if the Govt simply refuses to release a critical report from an SC and the entire country just goes "Meh"...

[bpoolrover]

It says both labour and tories and to be fair it’s one persons view on things it would depend what evidence he has

''It says both labour and tories''

Not sure what your point is if they are stooges for the Russians we should know about it, no?

''to be fair it’s one persons view on things it would depend what evidence he has''

Who has? if you're talking about the enquiry that's the point of my post, If you're talking about Browder many countries support what he says and have imposed sanctions.

I remember you looking a bit foolish trying to link JC with terrorists, can't remember if you also called him a friend of the Russians bp?

Added, I should say you weren't the only one doing that.

jc linked himself with terrorists with the company he kept no? He linked himself to Russia by his ridiculous handling on Salisbury no?

[SydneyRover]

 

Added: agreed he didn't cover himself with glory over the Salisbury scandal but neither do you nor others when you use tenuous links and misrepresentations to link JC to other terrorist which you have done in the past, correct bp?

[bpoolrover]

how Do you no he is not best friends with the people on the pictures Sydney? Because you believe what jc says which is your choice and you may be right at the same time you actually have no idea so are as likely to be wrong

[SydneyRover]

Probabilities, history and reputation bp, if he'd spent most of his career looking after himself lying and hanging out with nefarious people, being racist avoiding scrutiny then I would probably say you have something there and we'd have a reasonable debate but as you find it difficult to accept a reasonable argument and continue to offer dribble I'd say you were incorrect and still making a fool of yourself.

Added: in fact if JC decided to take you to court for defamation, which is unlikely I think he'd win 

[wilts rover]

Bill Browder has never mentioned Corbyn as one of the politicans he is concerned about. Indeed Corbyn has been one of the main voices in parliament calling for the UK to implement Browder's Magnitsky Act in the UK - for which he has been derided.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-vladimir-putin-theresa-may-sergei-skripal-magnitsky-laws-a8253786.html

As for Boris Johnson, Dominic Cummings and Carrie Symonds - well where to start....

https://bylinetimes.com/2019/11/09/russian-influence-in-britain-what-johnson-doesnt-want-you-to-know/

[BillyStubbsTears]

Fascinating read Wilts. But it is pointless posting it here to persuade people.

The art of good propaganda (and there is no state better at it than Russia) is that the people whose minds you infect are aggressively convinced that they haven't been duped.

So you'll have people saying there was and is no Russian propaganda supporting the Right in Britain.

And if you can prove to them that there is, the next level of defence is that of course that wouldn't influence ME! How DARE you suggest I can't make up my own mind?

But as we keep on saying, a week before the referendum, 47% of voters were convinced by the (not even very subtle, and utterly disproved) propaganda that we paid £350m a week to the EU. How many more had their heads turned by the infinitely more subtle and persistent wave of propaganda from the Kremlin's IRA operation?

[bpoolrover]

Probabilities, history and reputation bp, if he'd spent most of his career looking after himself lying and hanging out with nefarious people, being racist avoiding scrutiny then I would probably say you have something there and we'd have a reasonable debate but as you find it difficult to accept a reasonable argument and continue to offer dribble I'd say you were incorrect and still making a fool of yourself.

Added: in fact if JC decided to take you to court for defamation, which is unlikely I think he'd win 

could you show me one part of what I have said about him is defamation please

[SydneyRover]

Any of your previous posts stating that he was a supporter pf terrorist pb, remember all that rubbish before the election?

[bpoolrover]

Show me one that he could take me to court on I put links up showing him with terrorist organisations

[SydneyRover]

I was going to ask you how it went at the bb debating school but no need 

[bpoolrover]

So you don’t have a answer then? Just keep talking dribble as normal Sydney

[SydneyRover]

So it wasn't you that made a tenuous claim naming Corbyn as an IRA sympathiser/supporter and then proclaimed for reasons that you couldn't divulge once having made those claims that you couldn't talk about it?

[bpoolrover]

I didn’t say I couldn’t talk about it I said I didn’t want to get into it bit of a difference don’t you think? So you think he could take me to court for posting links that are all in the public domain about his links to the ira?

[SydneyRover]

If you are to re-read my post I said it was unlikely, or you can ignore that inconvenient bit.

[bpoolrover]

No you said it was unlikely he would take me to court but you think he would win or am I wrong?

[bpoolrover]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/19/exclusive-mi5-opened-file-jeremy-corbyn-amid-concerns-ira-links/amp/I will put one of the links up again so you can tell me how he would win against me?

[SydneyRover]

No you said it was unlikely he would take me to court but you think he would win or am I wrong?

yes I said that and still think it because wait for it, it's my view 

[SydneyRover]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/19/exclusive-mi5-opened-file-jeremy-corbyn-amid-concerns-ira-links/amp/I will put one of the links up again so you can tell me how he would win against me?
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link doesn't work for me bp

[SydneyRover]

Here's better link bp which goes on and on but doesn't say a lot, you have to remember that this is state sponsored repression that has blacklisted union members, put undercover police into left wing conservation protest organisations that had improper relationships with women and that latest outrage has branded the XR movement (you know the group that are doing more than most to save the planet) as Terrorism, ''police list Extinction Rebellion as extremist ideology''

So firstly I have zero confidence in anything the Daily Diarrhea publishes and very little confidence in what our security organisations do.

Don't forget our very own security organisations were/are up to their collective necks in murder and associations with paramilitary groups in Ireland and NI. So anything they have to say about a left wing politician trying to bring about a peaceful resolution is frankly unbelievable.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/19/exclusive-mi5-opened-file-jeremy-corbyn-amid-concerns-ira-links/

You are Stakeknife and you're working undercover 

[bpoolrover]

Ok you win I give up your right he could take me to court over that link we’ll done and good night