Embarrassment

[Bessie Red]

Just to clarify, I hope that AB succeeds & he may have been dealt a bad hand what with a large number of the squad being loanees, and players specifically brought in by Moore and some being at the end of their contracts. Also he is a young manager who needs to learn alot. I am just trying to shed a little light on what may be part of the problem. Maybe his training methods & tactics will improve with time but at this moment in time it appears that the players may not be getting what they need from the training and tactics being used.

[Getridorit]

When are Gavin Baldwin and David Blunt going to do something about the total embarrassment and humiliation of our club?

The situation they've put Andy Butler in is totally unfair on him, as the poor lad is utterly out of his depth.

It's too late now for the play-offs, but let's at least try and get somebody in to start preparing for the massive overhaul of our squad that's needed in the Summer.

I did state earlier this week that his training methods are not going down well with the players and the senior players dont have any confidence in what he is trying to do. I was told by some on here that it was codswallop and I was making it up. Well I think today shows again that what I was told has a big dollop of truth in it.

Let me correct you. You stated it was the 'senior players' don't have any confidence in his training and what he's trying to do.

I think today's performance shows that a) its not the senior players at fault, and b) this has nothing to do with training and what he's trying to achieve.

This is something else.

Something else?
Too many loan players not caring?
Contracts running out?
What?

[Monkcaster_Rover]

When are Gavin Baldwin and David Blunt going to do something about the total embarrassment and humiliation of our club?

The situation they've put Andy Butler in is totally unfair on him, as the poor lad is utterly out of his depth.

It's too late now for the play-offs, but let's at least try and get somebody in to start preparing for the massive overhaul of our squad that's needed in the Summer.

I did state earlier this week that his training methods are not going down well with the players and the senior players dont have any confidence in what he is trying to do. I was told by some on here that it was codswallop and I was making it up. Well I think today shows again that what I was told has a big dollop of truth in it.

Let me correct you. You stated it was the 'senior players' don't have any confidence in his training and what he's trying to do.

I think today's performance shows that a) its not the senior players at fault, and b) this has nothing to do with training and what he's trying to achieve.

This is something else.

The person who told me does not lie that's all I will say! You are not always right SM!

You name your source and I’ll happily name mine. In my experience nobody ever does.

Prove me wrong.

I am not going to name my source, who is a player, on here and wouldnt expect you to.
If I can do it privately I will as long as it doesnt gi any further.

This 'source' has trust in you & you're dangling carrots on the forum.

Outstanding.

[tyke1962]

This is basically about expectation levels not realised and emotions are running high which with passionate fans is understandable .

It's also compounded by the pandemic with very little good news and fans needing a release from this awful 12 months plus which again has to be factored in .

Rovers probably haven't ticked every box this season by any means  but no matter it's still a very competitive club in league one and with the ambition to progress to the championship

It's not Rochdale , AFC Wimbledon or Shrewsbury it's a credible player in league one .

I post without your emotion whether that's a good thing or not is possibly debatable but I post as I see it none the less .

Rovers can get promoted to the championship under the present ownership and with the present loan to buy strategy .

There's nothing fundamentally wrong at the club that the right players under the right HC / Manager plus lady luck can't deliver .

Right now you may not possibly have good enough players and maybe the manager is questionable but there's nothing significantly wrong that would stop you having considerable success next season either if the ducks line up .

To get out of league one is incredibly difficult even with the best budget , there are many historic examples .

You've been very unlucky in my opinion especially two seasons ago in the penalty shoot out against Charlton .
 Lady luck is massively understated in football in my opinion but it also goes the other way too and you catch the wave .

If you keep doing the right things which I personally feel you will continue with then it will happen .

The budget in league one isn't altogether the judge and jury if it was then Wycombe and Rotherham especially wouldn't be in the championship .

If Rotherham United have an edge over Rovers I'll eat my fecking hat .

[GazLaz]

This is basically about expectation levels not realised and emotions are running high which with passionate fans is understandable .

It's also compounded by the pandemic with very little good news and fans needing a release from this awful 12 months plus which again has to be factored in .

Rovers probably haven't ticked every box this season by any means  but no matter it's still a very competitive club in league one and with the ambition to progress to the championship

It's not Rochdale , AFC Wimbledon or Shrewsbury it's a credible player in league one .

I post without your emotion whether that's a good thing or not is possibly debatable but I post as I see it none the less .

Rovers can get promoted to the championship under the present ownership and with the present loan to buy strategy .

There's nothing fundamentally wrong at the club that the right players under the right HC / Manager plus lady luck can't deliver .

Right now you may not possibly have good enough players and maybe the manager is questionable but there's nothing significantly wrong that would stop you having considerable success next season either if the ducks line up .

To get out of league one is incredibly difficult even with the best budget , there are many historic examples .

You've been very unlucky in my opinion especially two seasons ago in the penalty shoot out against Charlton .
 Lady luck is massively understated in football in my opinion but it also goes the other way too and you catch the wave .

If you keep doing the right things which I personally feel you will continue with then it will happen .

The budget in league one isn't altogether the judge and jury if it was then Wycombe and Rotherham especially wouldn't be in the championship .

If Rotherham United have an edge over Rovers I'll eat my fecking hat .

Rotherham’s budget was twice ours last season.

[Bessie Red]

When are Gavin Baldwin and David Blunt going to do something about the total embarrassment and humiliation of our club?

The situation they've put Andy Butler in is totally unfair on him, as the poor lad is utterly out of his depth.

It's too late now for the play-offs, but let's at least try and get somebody in to start preparing for the massive overhaul of our squad that's needed in the Summer.

I did state earlier this week that his training methods are not going down well with the players and the senior players dont have any confidence in what he is trying to do. I was told by some on here that it was codswallop and I was making it up. Well I think today shows again that what I was told has a big dollop of truth in it.

Let me correct you. You stated it was the 'senior players' don't have any confidence in his training and what he's trying to do.

I think today's performance shows that a) its not the senior players at fault, and b) this has nothing to do with training and what he's trying to achieve.

This is something else.

The person who told me does not lie that's all I will say! You are not always right SM!

You name your source and I’ll happily name mine. In my experience nobody ever does.

Prove me wrong.

I am not going to name my source, who is a player, on here and wouldnt expect you to.
If I can do it privately I will as long as it doesnt gi any further.

This 'source' has trust in you & you're dangling carrots on the forum.

Outstanding.

I'm not dangling anything MR

[Bessie Red]

Right that's me done with the whole AB debate
I'm comfortable with what I know and what a baptism of fire it has been since AB took over. As I said earlier I really hope that AB learns really quickly & turns it around & gives the lads what they need. I'm sure the players committed to the future of the club hope he turns it around too. It would be the ideal situation, however it looks like an ever increasing tall order.

[selby]

  I am not in the slightest interested in tickle tackle and who said what to whom, but I am bothered about what I see in front of my eyes, and that is senior players and not so senior players lacking in effort, ability, and worse pride about their performances in front of us the supporters.
  A manager can do nothing once those players cross the line and start to do the job they are paid for which is to perform to the best of their ability.
  Now if you are happy with their contribution in the last few weeks for two managers, not just one so be it I am not going to argue with you.
  But when I compare the performances of the early part of the season to those the same players are dishing up in front of me now  its not the managers fault, because apart from one or two and the young players trying to make a career for themselves in a hand full of matches the rest are literally throwing their careers away by performing in the manner they are doing.
  I can excuse lack of ability if they try, unfortunately I know from experience they are better than they are showing me over the last couple of months, and as a supporter Of Doncaster Rovers I lay the blame squarely on their shoulders, because the main tactic that other teams employ against us is to nullify their skills, and they have shown no appetite at all bar a few exceptions to show some grit and fight to overcome these basic tactics of upsetting play.
  Fatty Evans has us down to a tee, and every other team Crewe and others less gifted have out fought us, not out played us although we are weak in front of goal, but have wanted it more than us, not the managers fault, in their heads they are as weak as P**S.
  And now it is the norm, we cant battle or mix it, and that's the players not the manager, if they want to be fancy dans let them juggle in a circus because every team has their number. 

[idler]

I remember in the back end of the 1997/98 season watch a team loaded with YTS lads run their hearts out giving it a good go against Lincoln City and Notts County at Belle Vue. We lost but with a little more experience and luck could have got something from both games.
That was a team sprinkled with a few pros like Lee Warren and Adie Mike but most to have no chance of a career as a professional player.
I left both games disappointed but proud of the effort put in by the team. We have no divine right to expect the team to win every match but the least we can expect is for them to try to win every game. Lack of effort to me means a lack of self respect and not earning the wages that they receive whatever the result 52 weeks a year now, not like in earlier years when players got jobs in the close season to tide them over financially.