Dominic Raab

[BillyStubbsTears]

How it started.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19300051

How it's going
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58265160.amp

If it is true that he refused the break his holiday to follow officials' advice that a phone call from him could have helped secure the safety of Afghan's who had put themselves at risk to assist our forces...how can he possibly stay in post?

And this from someone who wrote a crap book a decade ago claiming the British workers were idle and lazy.

[ravenrover]

Just like all the others who should have resigned or been sacked. Just let it all wash over till it goes away

[Filo]

To be fair I once did a very important transaction from my sunbed by the pool in Zante by topping up my daughters bank account so she could buy some petrol back home. She thought it was important anyway lol!

[River Don]

It's funny isn't it?

Put the idle British worker in a Japanese setting like Nissan Sunderland or in a German setting like BMW Mini and they are pretty much the most efficient and productive workforce in Europe.

The problem only seems to arise with British management.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Can you f**king believe this? I honestly thought it was a tasteless wind up, but it is actually true.

After Raab condemned to death people who had helped British forces, because he couldn't be arsed to make a phone call, the Tories this morning have released this picture of him.

Just...what in God's f**king name?

[BillyStubbsTears]

He's f**ked up through his arrogance or idleness. But no problem. Let's deal with it by taking a staged photo of him looking in control. This is f**king sickening.

[Filo]

What is the red flag behind him?

I’ve just realised its the Chinese flag, what relevance does that have to the crisis, or are they just his beach towels hung up to dry?

[BillyStubbsTears]

China.

The photo is carefully designed. The posh green shade lamp. The oak desk. The gilt-edged wall coverings. They all say "This is an office of tradition and power."

And there's Raab. In control of it. Talking to his Chinese counterpart. His left arm tensed, ready to spring because he is a man of action.

This is what tinpot dictators do. They want people to ignore the facts of how they behave, and buy into the myth of the image they project.

This is Britain, 2021.

[Ldr]

He’s talking to his bosses

[Filo]

The position of the mouse on the desk speaks volumes, you would think a lot of times when he’s on the phone he will be on the computer at the same time, the position of the mouse suggests he holds the phone in his left hand nothis right hand as shown in the photo

[idler]

The position of the mouse on the desk speaks volumes, you would think a lot of times when he’s on the phone he will be on the computer at the same time, the position of the mouse suggests he holds the phone in his left hand nothis right hand as shown in the photo

You have assumed that he can multitask though.

[SydneyRover]

He's on the phone to hancock ..................... where's my PPE contract you useless f***

[sha66y]

Can you f**king believe this? I honestly thought it was a tasteless wind up, but it is actually true.

After Raab condemned to death people who had helped British forces, because he couldn't be arsed to make a phone call, the Tories this morning have released this picture of him.

Just...what in God's f**king name?

I was under the impression we were helping the Afghanistan’s not them helping us?

strange how an occupying force can be suddenly held responsible for the security of a nation they have absolutely no identity with….

[SydneyRover]

It was an invasion by coalition forces

[BillyStubbsTears]

Can you f**king believe this? I honestly thought it was a tasteless wind up, but it is actually true.

After Raab condemned to death people who had helped British forces, because he couldn't be arsed to make a phone call, the Tories this morning have released this picture of him.

Just...what in God's f**king name?

I was under the impression we were helping the Afghanistan’s not them helping us?

strange how an occupying force can be suddenly held responsible for the security of a nation they have absolutely no identity with….

Then you've got precisely the wrong understanding. NATO went into Afghanistan for one reason - to wipe out Al Qaeda by degrading the Taliban as a terrorist-supporting organisation.

The consequence of that was that we needed long-term institutions in Afghanistan (occupying army, embassies etc).

They needed local support (interpreters, suppliers, security guards).

The locals who supported us explicitly set themselves up as opponent of the Taliban.

The UN said yesterday that the Taliban are conducted house to house searches to identify what we call Nato supporters and they call traitors. There have been reports of these people being tortured and killed.

And it is PRECISELY these people who helped us, who Raab couldn't be arsed to break his holiday to help, and who Paterl is saying we cannot accommodate.

[selby]

  River Don, the Germans are that efficient they got seven of their countrymen out in the first three days buddy.
  Mind you they haven't been at the front of things out there for twenty years along with a few of their hopo's.
  They have become insular lately though, time was when they used to go en mass on a tour of Europe every twenty years or so.

[River Don]

"so, that's a large family bucket.. With sides of corn on the cob and baked beans... a bottle of Coke zero, a Zinger meal and spice wings... Yeah... for delivery.

[Filo]

"so, that's a large family bucket.. With sides of corn on the cob and baked beans... a bottle of Coke zero, a Zinger meal and spice wings... Yeah... for delivery.

Yeah, all inclusive, sea or pool view and low floor, can the room telephone be disabled please, don’t want bothering with work stuff when I’m on holiday

[River Don]

"How many times?!

I said, I'M TAKING NO CALLS!!!

[sha66y]

Can you f**king believe this? I honestly thought it was a tasteless wind up, but it is actually true.

After Raab condemned to death people who had helped British forces, because he couldn't be arsed to make a phone call, the Tories this morning have released this picture of him.

Just...what in God's f**king name?

I was under the impression we were helping the Afghanistan’s not them helping us?

strange how an occupying force can be suddenly held responsible for the security of a nation they have absolutely no identity with….

Then you've got precisely the wrong understanding. NATO went into Afghanistan for one reason - to wipe out Al Qaeda by degrading the Taliban as a terrorist-supporting organisation.

The consequence of that was that we needed long-term institutions in Afghanistan (occupying army, embassies etc).

They needed local support (interpreters, suppliers, security guards).

The locals who supported us explicitly set themselves up as opponent of the Taliban.

The UN said yesterday that the Taliban are conducted house to house searches to identify what we call Nato supporters and they call traitors. There have been reports of these people being tortured and killed.

And it is PRECISELY these people who helped us, who Raab couldn't be arsed to break his holiday to help, and who Paterl is saying we cannot accommodate.

If only 5% of that was true !

[Filo]

Nicked from twitter

[BillyStubbsTears]

Can you f**king believe this? I honestly thought it was a tasteless wind up, but it is actually true.

After Raab condemned to death people who had helped British forces, because he couldn't be arsed to make a phone call, the Tories this morning have released this picture of him.

Just...what in God's f**king name?

I was under the impression we were helping the Afghanistan’s not them helping us?

strange how an occupying force can be suddenly held responsible for the security of a nation they have absolutely no identity with….

Then you've got precisely the wrong understanding. NATO went into Afghanistan for one reason - to wipe out Al Qaeda by degrading the Taliban as a terrorist-supporting organisation.

The consequence of that was that we needed long-term institutions in Afghanistan (occupying army, embassies etc).

They needed local support (interpreters, suppliers, security guards).

The locals who supported us explicitly set themselves up as opponent of the Taliban.

The UN said yesterday that the Taliban are conducted house to house searches to identify what we call Nato supporters and they call traitors. There have been reports of these people being tortured and killed.

And it is PRECISELY these people who helped us, who Raab couldn't be arsed to break his holiday to help, and who Paterl is saying we cannot accommodate.

If only 5% of that was true !

Go on then. You think we invaded to help the Afghans?

[sha66y]

Can you f**king believe this? I honestly thought it was a tasteless wind up, but it is actually true.

After Raab condemned to death people who had helped British forces, because he couldn't be arsed to make a phone call, the Tories this morning have released this picture of him.

Just...what in God's f**king name?

I was under the impression we were helping the Afghanistan’s not them helping us?

strange how an occupying force can be suddenly held responsible for the security of a nation they have absolutely no identity with….

Then you've got precisely the wrong understanding. NATO went into Afghanistan for one reason - to wipe out Al Qaeda by degrading the Taliban as a terrorist-supporting organisation.

The consequence of that was that we needed long-term institutions in Afghanistan (occupying army, embassies etc).

They needed local support (interpreters, suppliers, security guards).

The locals who supported us explicitly set themselves up as opponent of the Taliban.

The UN said yesterday that the Taliban are conducted house to house searches to identify what we call Nato supporters and they call traitors. There have been reports of these people being tortured and killed.

And it is PRECISELY these people who helped us, who Raab couldn't be arsed to break his holiday to help, and who Paterl is saying we cannot accommodate.

If only 5% of that was true !

Go on then. You think we invaded to help the Afghans?

The Americans !

Afghan = Global fear= huge finances !

[BillyStubbsTears]

Well if that was the aim, it worked out well didn't it?

[Pancho Regan]

The Afghan Government haven’t used the 20 years of Allied occupation and support to build a strong and resilient defence against the Taliban.

The fact that the entire infrastructure of government and armed forces collapsed and capitulated within days of the withdrawal of Allied forces is a very damning indictment of the Afghan Government.

We can only hope that the Taliban don’t exact revenge against those who worked for the Government or the Allied forces, but I wouldn’t bet on that unfortunately.

We have to hope that the 20 years of ‘freedom’ from the oppressive Taliban regime has empowered enough Afghans, particularly women, to have the strength to resist any attempts to return them to a position of subservience and oppression.

But it doesn’t look good.

[drfchound]

The Afghan Government haven’t used the 20 years of Allied occupation and support to build a strong and resilient defence against the Taliban.

The fact that the entire infrastructure of government and armed forces collapsed and capitulated within days of the withdrawal of Allied forces is a very damning indictment of the Afghan Government.

We can only hope that the Taliban don’t exact revenge against those who worked for the Government or the Allied forces, but I wouldn’t bet on that unfortunately.

We have to hope that the 20 years of ‘freedom’ from the oppressive Taliban regime has empowered enough Afghans, particularly women, to have the strength to resist any attempts to return them to a position of subservience and oppression.

But it doesn’t look good.

Pancho, there have already been reports of Taliban people knocking on the doors of families who had someone helping the Allis out in various ways and either taking them away or punishing the family if the person they went looking for is not there.
For people to hold on to the outside of a jet that is taking off equates to genuine fear for life.
They can’t be wrong.

[River Don]

The entire country hasn't quite capitulated.

There is one region, who have foreseen this and been preparing for it. It's a very long shot but there does seem to be a small pocket of resistance with some real leadership. This lot helped see off the Russins, it would be a good idea to give them some support urgently.

https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/south-asia/taliban-resistance-afghanistan-b1906172.html

[SydneyRover]

Johnson taught Raab everything he knew about the foreign affairs portfolio.

[sha66y]

The Afghan Government haven’t used the 20 years of Allied occupation and support to build a strong and resilient defence against the Taliban.

The fact that the entire infrastructure of government and armed forces collapsed and capitulated within days of the withdrawal of Allied forces is a very damning indictment of the Afghan Government.

We can only hope that the Taliban don’t exact revenge against those who worked for the Government or the Allied forces, but I wouldn’t bet on that unfortunately.

We have to hope that the 20 years of ‘freedom’ from the oppressive Taliban regime has empowered enough Afghans, particularly women, to have the strength to resist any attempts to return them to a position of subservience and oppression.

But it doesn’t look good.

What does “ empowered” mean in your opinion when you relate this to a Muslim women living in a Muslim state?

Having lived 40 months in a strict Muslim city myself, I tend to wonder whether the west cares to understand the role of the Muslim female within the Qoran

It’s not an easy read,
and from the outside if you tried to compare the value of a Muslim woman to that of a western woman, you would probably jump to the wrong conclusion……….they cannot break free of shackles that don’t exist…..
We in the west see the “ shackles” and worry that the Muslim women feel the “ shackles” …………from my experience, they really don’t understand what the fuss is all about!

[SydneyRover]

I guess all religions fit into a basic format, mangod with mangod teachings written by men, all made up of course after the original mangod has made his exit.