Rory Burns

[selby]

  Is he the worst opening batsman England have ever had?

[Filo]

Yes

[selby]

I agree Filo

[Monkcaster_Rover]

I'd drop him for Lawrence.

[Ldr]

I see your Rory Burns and I raise you a Keaton Jennings

[Petche]

Dreadful in the field as well!

[NickDRFC]

A few short memories here - Jennings/Roy/Stoneman/Sibley. Burns’ form has tailed off but remarkably still our second highest run scorer in 2021 by almost 150 runs (although that says more about the paucity of the rest of the team than it does about Burns).

Worst ever though? He’s not even the worst we’ve had open for us this year.

[selby]

  He is now he isn't the new kid on the block and they have worked him out and the mistakes he makes to certain balls with his batting style.

[NickDRFC]

Burns has 496 runs this year and averages 27.55.
Sibley has 356 and averages 19.77. Even if you take out Burns’ biggest knock, 132 against New Zealand, he’s still averaging higher than Sibley.

I stand by this comment:

Worst ever though? He’s not even the worst we’ve had open for us this year.

[Campsall rover]

We have had worse. Believe it or not.

Please can Boycott and Edrich come out of retirement.
Oh for a couple of opening batsmen of their ilk. 
Or Gooch he will do.

Oh my oh my.  Are our bowlers watching were the Aussie bowlers pitch the ball.
They make our batsmen play ball after ball. Our lot are all over the place.

Anderson is simply not a great bowler on Aussie wickets. He can keep the run rate reasonable but he gets no movement off the pitch.
Broad just lack that bit of pace now. Woakes and Robinson are suited to English wickets.
We need Archer and Wood 100% fit because pace and accuracy gets wickets in Australia. It always has and probably always will.

We simply will not win any test matches with this team in Australia.
Out played yet again down under.
It is really embarrassing.

[selby]

  Our much admired stumper has chucked a hundred and fifty runs down on the floor behind the wickets and can't play a swinging or moving ball  off the wicket to save his life.

[Draytonian III]

White ball cricket is killing test cricket, to many players believe their own hype when hit 50 off 22 balls against Derbyshire or Gloucestershire, or take 3 for 11 off 2 overs. There’s only Root and Stokes who would have got in the England team of 12 years ago, can’t say Anderson and Broad but they were in that team !!!
 

[Campsall rover]

  Our much admired stumper has chucked a hundred and fifty runs down on the floor behind the wickets and can't play a swinging or moving ball  off the wicket to save his life.

Agree Brian. Butler is not a test batsmen.
There are 4/5 better keepers than him also. Why do they think that if he can get 80 off 80 balls once every 20 innings he is good enough to be ahead of Foakes or Bairstow in the test team.
It is a joke but not one that is remotely funny.

Simpson and Davies are far better keepers also.

[NickDRFC]

  Our much admired stumper has chucked a hundred and fifty runs down on the floor behind the wickets and can't play a swinging or moving ball  off the wicket to save his life.

Much admired by who? Root and the coaching team maybe, but I don’t know a single England fan who wouldn’t drop Buttler for the next game (or in fact much sooner). If he batted like Gilchrist he might be able to justify his poor keeping but as it stands he’s nowhere near the level needed in either discipline.

[tyke1962]

First of all it's extremely difficult to win in Australia and that's always been the case .

Only the very best England teams win down under or Australia are totally on their asses .

In my lifetime that's how it's played out .

We'd exceptional teams in 70/71 under Ray Illingworth .

Australia were on their asses in 78/79 because of Packer and again in 86/87 .

We had an exceptional side under Strauss in 2008/09 .

Some kind of perspective is needed I feel .

Am I a happy Englishman at the moment of course I'm not .

Should we be doing better ? , most definitely .

There's nothing worse than getting rinsed by Australia and compounded by the fact Australia aren't all that either .

The thing is the same players on both sides playing this series anywhere else other than Australia it would be a contest .

Nobody factors in the advantage Australia have in their own back yard and hanging out these England players is harsh .

Better players than this group have gone out there too and come home defeated .

[Campsall rover]

First of all it's extremely difficult to win in Australia and that's always been the case .

Only the very best England teams win down under or Australia are totally on their asses .

In my lifetime that's how it's played out .

We'd exceptional teams in 70/71 under Ray Illingworth .

Australia were on their asses in 78/79 because of Packer and again in 86/87 .

We had an exceptional side under Strauss in 2008/09 .

Some kind of perspective is needed I feel .

Am I a happy Englishman at the moment of course I'm not .

Should we be doing better ? , most definitely .

There's nothing worse than getting rinsed by Australia and compounded by the fact Australia aren't all that either .

The thing is the same players on both sides playing this series anywhere else other than Australia it would be a contest .

Nobody factors in the advantage Australia have in their own back yard and hanging out these England players is harsh .

Better players than this group have gone out there too and come home defeated .

While what you say is true Tyke there is no excuse for our batting to fold so easily.
There is a distinct lack of technique being applied.
The bowling does not carry the same discipline as the Aussie bowling.

Yes we need pace in our attack. Wood has to rapped in cotton cool as he is so injury prone and Archer is also not fit to play on this tour.
To have any chance we need both these players in the team 100% fit for all 5 tests.
Anderson, Woakes and Robinson are swing bowlers who excel in English conditions but will not in Australia.

But we should not be getting beaten so easily Tyke. I can accept losing but not being competitive I cannot.

[Donnywolf]

  Our much admired stumper has chucked a hundred and fifty runs down on the floor behind the wickets and can't play a swinging or moving ball  off the wicket to save his life.

My Dad would have been saying "he owes us 150 runs" and if I asked he would say thats the runs he cost us dropping catches etc

At any level "catches can wn matches" - still rings true

[thumper]

Sibley was far worse in my opinion. Puts you under pressure straight away just doesn't score nevermind score quickly enough. The issue is we don't have much better to replace them, Burns done on before this series but looks massively out of knick at the moment