James Coppinger says actions must start speaking louder than words at Doncaster

[DonnyBazR0ver]

It's not unusual for the DFP to serialise articles from the same interview.

We know why they do it and don't have a problem with it  as long as folk know it's better to hear the words from the horses mouth when possible as it reduces the risk of misinterpretation.

Meanwhile, whether you've read the article or listened to his interview are you any wiser about his role?

[Jonathan]

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/james-coppinger-sets-his-stall-out-as-doncaster-rovers-face-up-to-relegation-3676709

Here is the link to the Free Press article for anyone wishing to read it. We’ve been very fortunate to see some excellent local journalists come through that route - none more so than Peter Catt, but also more recently Liam Hoden and Paul Goodwin have done a great job.

Sustaining a local news outlet must be so hard in this day and age, and the pandemic must have felt like the final nail in the written paper. Online content and clicks have to form a big part of the model now, and the ads are frustrating but they’re only there as the business has to make money somewhere.

To see an aspiring journalist vindictively trying to divert people from the last remaining established Doncaster news outlet (whatever we think of it) is really quite sad. Not everyone reads social media blogs for their content. The DFP article is very clear that it comes from an interview with the club’s in-house media team, that’s not lazy in my opinion. It’s reporting very relevant content from the club’s new Head of Football Operations. What’s to say the DFP even had an opportunity for an interview? So what can they do other than report what’s there? 

It begs the question as to whether the blogger (whoever they are) would report on what Copps has said, or ignore it to avoid 'rehashing' it..!

I've already written a wholly original opinion piece on Coppinger's appointment to the HoFO role. I don't make any money at all from writing about the club or sustaining ITEN, in fact it costs me over £100 a year to keep in existence. The Free Press will make money - however small an amount - from pasting someone else's work onto their site like in this instance.

Rovers fans deserve better coverage of their club from the only independent outlet which covers them in any depth, than this particular article. That's the bottom line of why I made my original post.

There's a good journalist, avoid the question and try and look pious instead.

Wow, okay. I didnt avoid any question. I write opinion pieces, I don’t report on every thing about the club. I certainly don't rehash anything, when I write something I put the effort in to make it original and something different from what's already out there - purely to offer fans another bit of writing about the club worth reading. You didn't even mention me by name in your last post even though you were clearly talking about me, which is somewhat underhanded really.

The DFP must’ve had permission to publish the quotes surely. Plus the written word is probably a better or preferred format for some people over the video.

Of course, and they credit the club’s in-house media team too. The criticism is totally uncalled for and comes across as vindictive.

Do you know what the word vindictive even means?

What possible reason for "vindictiveness" do I have? I have never had any direct dealings with the Free Press, I have no ill will towards them nor any reason to "seek vengeance" against them, which is what you're saying by using that word.

I have simply pointed out an aspect of how they operate that I don't particularly like, in order to direct credit at the people who actually did the interview in question in this thread.

I stand by the point I made, one which was minor and which was moved on from to discuss Copps' actual words by the third post in this topic.

You haven't responded to a single thing I said in my last post either. To be honest Jonathan, it's starting to feel like you have something personal against me, because I can't for the life of me work out why you're so passionate to defend the Doncaster Free Press from a minor criticism on an internet forum.

You don't know anything about me to be throwing words like "vindictive" out there about me. Accusing me of things that simply are not at all my motivation, I think that is actually completely uncalled for.

I’m not sure where your vindictiveness comes from, perhaps you’re amongst the people that have been called out in the past for tweeting the content of news reported on the Free Press account without linking the article? Your efforts to actively dissuade people from clicking a link that is clearly one of the primary means of sustaining the local press certainly appeared to come from a place of ill feeling. You’re obviously better placed to address your own motivation, and if trashing the DFP was merely your way of mounting a staunch defence of the Rovers in-house media team (credited within the DFP “rubbish piece”) then fair enough.

I do feel passionately about the need to retain a local written press. I don’t like everything about the DFP website, but I accept it has to be a certain way and generating clicks keeps the local journalists in paid work.

The Coppinger piece is a written account of an interview he gave, and it’s helped to enlighten some people.

Wow, another baseless accusation. I used to share Free Press articles on Twitter - always including the link - purely to share it so people could read it. One day I did this and Liam Hoden didn't like that I was a bit too detailed in the tweet, completely innocently by the way, and said as much. So I stopped sharing Free Press articles and largely stayed away from commenting on them at all. That was a couple of years ago, so I am perplexed as to why you've retained that so strongly when it had nothing to do with you.

I'm done with this now. It's not the point of the topic and some of the personal things you've said in this thread Jonathan are actually very upsetting.

The amount of time I've devoted to writing and talking about Rovers, on my website, on this website, for Glen's wonderful fanzine, and for loads of independent outlets, for no other motivation than because I love the club and enjoy writing about it, obviously means absolutely nothing when someone who doesn't know me, has never met me nor spoken to me directly, repeatedly accuses me of being "vindictive" for making a valid criticism of one newspaper piece and then pulls up one minor twitter exchange from years back.

I've never said anything personal about you Jonathan. When I've disagreed with things you've said on here, I've either debated them hopefully fairly, or moved on without getting involved. I don't think  the way you've repeatedly accused me of something plainly untrue here is very nice at all, and feels like a target attack.

As I say, I'm done with this now. I hope Copps does a good job in his new role and the club turn things around under his guidance.

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/james-coppinger-sets-his-stall-out-as-doncaster-rovers-face-up-to-relegation-3676709

Here is the link to the Free Press article for anyone wishing to read it. We’ve been very fortunate to see some excellent local journalists come through that route - none more so than Peter Catt, but also more recently Liam Hoden and Paul Goodwin have done a great job.

Sustaining a local news outlet must be so hard in this day and age, and the pandemic must have felt like the final nail in the written paper. Online content and clicks have to form a big part of the model now, and the ads are frustrating but they’re only there as the business has to make money somewhere.

To see an aspiring journalist vindictively trying to divert people from the last remaining established Doncaster news outlet (whatever we think of it) is really quite sad. Not everyone reads social media blogs for their content. The DFP article is very clear that it comes from an interview with the club’s in-house media team, that’s not lazy in my opinion. It’s reporting very relevant content from the club’s new Head of Football Operations. What’s to say the DFP even had an opportunity for an interview? So what can they do other than report what’s there? 

It begs the question as to whether the blogger (whoever they are) would report on what Copps has said, or ignore it to avoid 'rehashing' it..!

I've already written a wholly original opinion piece on Coppinger's appointment to the HoFO role. I don't make any money at all from writing about the club or sustaining ITEN, in fact it costs me over £100 a year to keep in existence. The Free Press will make money - however small an amount - from pasting someone else's work onto their site like in this instance.

Rovers fans deserve better coverage of their club from the only independent outlet which covers them in any depth, than this particular article. That's the bottom line of why I made my original post.

There's a good journalist, avoid the question and try and look pious instead.

Wow, okay. I didnt avoid any question. I write opinion pieces, I don’t report on every thing about the club. I certainly don't rehash anything, when I write something I put the effort in to make it original and something different from what's already out there - purely to offer fans another bit of writing about the club worth reading. You didn't even mention me by name in your last post even though you were clearly talking about me, which is somewhat underhanded really.

The DFP must’ve had permission to publish the quotes surely. Plus the written word is probably a better or preferred format for some people over the video.

Of course, and they credit the club’s in-house media team too. The criticism is totally uncalled for and comes across as vindictive.

Do you know what the word vindictive even means?

What possible reason for "vindictiveness" do I have? I have never had any direct dealings with the Free Press, I have no ill will towards them nor any reason to "seek vengeance" against them, which is what you're saying by using that word.

I have simply pointed out an aspect of how they operate that I don't particularly like, in order to direct credit at the people who actually did the interview in question in this thread.

I stand by the point I made, one which was minor and which was moved on from to discuss Copps' actual words by the third post in this topic.

You haven't responded to a single thing I said in my last post either. To be honest Jonathan, it's starting to feel like you have something personal against me, because I can't for the life of me work out why you're so passionate to defend the Doncaster Free Press from a minor criticism on an internet forum.

You don't know anything about me to be throwing words like "vindictive" out there about me. Accusing me of things that simply are not at all my motivation, I think that is actually completely uncalled for.

I’m not sure where your vindictiveness comes from, perhaps you’re amongst the people that have been called out in the past for tweeting the content of news reported on the Free Press account without linking the article? Your efforts to actively dissuade people from clicking a link that is clearly one of the primary means of sustaining the local press certainly appeared to come from a place of ill feeling. You’re obviously better placed to address your own motivation, and if trashing the DFP was merely your way of mounting a staunch defence of the Rovers in-house media team (credited within the DFP “rubbish piece”) then fair enough.

I do feel passionately about the need to retain a local written press. I don’t like everything about the DFP website, but I accept it has to be a certain way and generating clicks keeps the local journalists in paid work.

The Coppinger piece is a written account of an interview he gave, and it’s helped to enlighten some people.

Wow, another baseless accusation. I used to share Free Press articles on Twitter - always including the link - purely to share it so people could read it. One day I did this and Liam Hoden didn't like that I was a bit too detailed in the tweet, completely innocently by the way, and said as much. So I stopped sharing Free Press articles and largely stayed away from commenting on them at all. That was a couple of years ago, so I am perplexed as to why you've retained that so strongly when it had nothing to do with you.

I'm done with this now. It's not the point of the topic and some of the personal things you've said in this thread Jonathan are actually very upsetting.

The amount of time I've devoted to writing and talking about Rovers, on my website, on this website, for Glen's wonderful fanzine, and for loads of independent outlets, for no other motivation than because I love the club and enjoy writing about it, obviously means absolutely nothing when someone who doesn't know me, has never met me nor spoken to me directly, repeatedly accuses me of being "vindictive" for making a valid criticism of one newspaper piece and then pulls up one minor twitter exchange from years back.

I've never said anything personal about you Jonathan. When I've disagreed with things you've said on here, I've either debated them hopefully fairly, or moved on without getting involved. I don't think  the way you've repeatedly accused me of something plainly untrue here is very nice at all, and feels like a target attack.

As I say, I'm done with this now. I hope Copps does a good job in his new role and the club turn things around under his guidance.

Let’s draw a line under this. I’ll always be a supporter of the local press and I didn’t like the discouragement from reading the article. However I’ve no desire to continue a silly spat either. One thing I would like to add is that, as a supporter, I appreciate all those that take the time to produce content around the club, including your own ITEN site. Whether I always agree with the narrative or not (and nobody can be expected to all the time) I always find it to be well written, well argued and well produced. Where unfair criticisms have been levelled in the past I’ve defended it on that very basis.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Wow, okay. I didnt avoid any question. I write opinion pieces, I don’t report on every thing about the club. I certainly don't rehash anything, when I write something I put the effort in to make it original and something different from what's already out there - purely to offer fans another bit of writing about the club worth reading. You didn't even mention me by name in your last post even though you were clearly talking about me, which is somewhat underhanded really.

Yes, you do avoid the question, although you have at least answered part of it this time albeit in a very roundabout way instead of straightforwardly.

As for me being underhanded, you seem to think I knew who you are and what blog you write before I entered this thread. Since reading after I first posted in this thread I have come to assume (but still didn't know for sure) that you were the blogger other people were talking about. And I still have no idea what your blog is.

[Donxaster]

The DFP must’ve had permission to publish the quotes surely. Plus the written word is probably a better or preferred format for some people over the video.

Of course, and they credit the club’s in-house media team too. The criticism is totally uncalled for and comes across as vindictive.

Do you know what the word vindictive even means?

What possible reason for "vindictiveness" do I have? I have never had any direct dealings with the Free Press, I have no ill will towards them nor any reason to "seek vengeance" against them, which is what you're saying by using that word.

I have simply pointed out an aspect of how they operate that I don't particularly like, in order to direct credit at the people who actually did the interview in question in this thread.

I stand by the point I made, one which was minor and which was moved on from to discuss Copps' actual words by the third post in this topic.

You haven't responded to a single thing I said in my last post either. To be honest Jonathan, it's starting to feel like you have something personal against me, because I can't for the life of me work out why you're so passionate to defend the Doncaster Free Press from a minor criticism on an internet forum.

You don't know anything about me to be throwing words like "vindictive" out there about me. Accusing me of things that simply are not at all my motivation, I think that is actually completely uncalled for.

I’m not sure where your vindictiveness comes from, perhaps you’re amongst the people that have been called out in the past for tweeting the content of news reported on the Free Press account without linking the article? Your efforts to actively dissuade people from clicking a link that is clearly one of the primary means of sustaining the local press certainly appeared to come from a place of ill feeling. You’re obviously better placed to address your own motivation, and if trashing the DFP was merely your way of mounting a staunch defence of the Rovers in-house media team (credited within the DFP “rubbish piece”) then fair enough.

I do feel passionately about the need to retain a local written press. I don’t like everything about the DFP website, but I accept it has to be a certain way and generating clicks keeps the local journalists in paid work.

The Coppinger piece is a written account of an interview he gave, and it’s helped to enlighten some people.

This is not nice, at all.

[DonnyOsmond]

Wow, okay. I didnt avoid any question. I write opinion pieces, I don’t report on every thing about the club. I certainly don't rehash anything, when I write something I put the effort in to make it original and something different from what's already out there - purely to offer fans another bit of writing about the club worth reading. You didn't even mention me by name in your last post even though you were clearly talking about me, which is somewhat underhanded really.

Yes, you do avoid the question, although you have at least answered part of it this time albeit in a very roundabout way instead of straightforwardly.

As for me being underhanded, you seem to think I knew who you are and what blog you write before I entered this thread. Since reading after I first posted in this thread I have come to assume (but still didn't know for sure) that you were the blogger other people were talking about. And I still have no idea what your blog is.

His site is IntoTheEmptyNet, he's posted links to numerous articles on his site, including his "Sleepwalking into League Two", which ended up being unfortunately correct. He posts some very good opinion pieces about our club.

Paul Goodwin also does some quality opinion pieces, however, it seems as though unfortunately when Liam Hoden left the exclusive news from the club has dried up and it does seem to be more just articles from what was said in the club or Radio Sheffield interviews.