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[scawsby steve]

Did you go canvassing in the 2019 election SS?

Corbyn came up as a complaint at least as often as Brexit.

No, I just watched the News broadcasts for months before the GE, and listened to all the warnings about the revenge that Northerners were about to inflict on the LP.

Come on, BST, you're splitting hairs over this. Every man and his dog knows that Brexit was the issue in the 2019 GE. Are you seriously suggesting that all those left wing socialists in the North-East would have preferred Johnson to Corbyn?

[Donnywolf]

Anecdotally it WAS exactly as you say. Get rid of Juan the Foreigner .

However in other Vox pops people in Hartlepool (where they had only a Labour MP NOT a Labour Govt ) they were saying I'm voting for Johnson because Labour have done NOTHING for us

...but at least with Tories we now have 9 food banks !!!

Not often I am lost for words but ffs I was then

[BillyStubbsTears]

Did you go canvassing in the 2019 election SS?

Corbyn came up as a complaint at least as often as Brexit.

No, I just watched the News broadcasts for months before the GE, and listened to all the warnings about the revenge that Northerners were about to inflict on the LP.

Come on, BST, you're splitting hairs over this. Every man and his dog knows that Brexit was the issue in the 2019 GE. Are you seriously suggesting that all those left wing socialists in the North-East would have preferred Johnson to Corbyn?

SS.
I'm not saying Brexit wasn't a massive problem for Labour in 2019. Of course it was. I'm saying it wasn't the only problem. Many people I canvassed across South Yorks and north Derbyshire were vitriolic about Corbyn.

By the way, the biggest fallacy about Labour in 2019 is that it was supporting Ref2 that did for them. That problem was nothing compared to what would have happened to Labour if they had not supported Ref2. The issue is that the people who shout loudest about how Labour's Ref2 policy turned them away from Labour seem not to get how small a minority of Labour's total support they were.

[Hounslowrover]

SS I canvassed in a remain  area, Brexit wasn’t an issue, Corbyn  was.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Did you go canvassing in the 2019 election SS?

Corbyn came up as a complaint at least as often as Brexit.

No, I just watched the News broadcasts for months before the GE, and listened to all the warnings about the revenge that Northerners were about to inflict on the LP.

Come on, BST, you're splitting hairs over this. Every man and his dog knows that Brexit was the issue in the 2019 GE. Are you seriously suggesting that all those left wing socialists in the North-East would have preferred Johnson to Corbyn?

SS.
I'm not saying Brexit wasn't a massive problem for Labour in 2019. Of course it was. I'm saying it wasn't the only problem. Many people I canvassed across South Yorks and north Derbyshire were vitriolic about Corbyn.

By the way, the biggest fallacy about Labour in 2019 is that it was supporting Ref2 that did for them. That problem was nothing compared to what would have happened to Labour if they had not supported Ref2. The issue is that the people who shout loudest about how Labour's Ref2 policy turned them away from Labour seem not to get how small a minority of Labour's total support they were.

What impact do you think the policy shift to seemingly not changing all that much about the brexit deal will do at the election? Is it now not an issue?

[scawsby steve]

SS I canvassed in a remain  area, Brexit wasn’t an issue, Corbyn  was.

Obviously in the South, that was the case. However, that's not where the huge red wall vote went tumbling, it was in the North-East, which is my point.

[ravenrover]

SS a number of my aquaintances down here in East Mids refused to vote for Labour because of Corbyn, the problem was Mark Spencer was the sitting MP and let's say that equally they couldn't vote for him. All including my family voted Lib Dem in the vain hope that there would be enough likeminded voters, see how that turned out! Hard to believe that a good number of ex mining communities down here put Conservatives into Parliament.