The things they said.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Aye Tyke.

Potential Labour supporters are going so "mental" with Starmer that Labour's just hit 45% in one poll.

They've only topped that ( and then only by 1%) in three opinion polls in the past 20 years.

[drfchound]

I think it was Emily Thornberry in an interview several months ago said there was no possibility of re joing EU so it's hardly breaking news

Exactly Raven, probably the worst kept secret in politics.
I mentioned a few days ago that vociferous remainers who are LP supporters will have to make a decision on whether to vote Labour and back the no return to the EU decision or vote for another Party.
That decision alone will split the Labour vote even more than it is currently.
I noticed that one or two of the more prominent posters kept their powder dry and, very politician like, didn’t comment.

[drfchound]

Aye Tyke.

Potential Labour supporters are going so "mental" with Starmer that Labour's just hit 45% in one poll.

They've only topped that ( and then only by 1%) in three opinion polls in the past 20 years.

Hardly surprising though given the events of the last few days.
That percentage could seriously change depending on the outcome of Johnson’s replacement.

[wilts rover]

Aye Tyke.

Potential Labour supporters are going so "mental" with Starmer that Labour's just hit 45% in one poll.

They've only topped that ( and then only by 1%) in three opinion polls in the past 20 years.

Hardly surprising though given the events of the last few days.
That percentage could seriously change depending on the outcome of Johnson’s replacement.

Aye, it could go up!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Given that Sunak was even less popular than Johnson in polls a couple of months back, that's a distinct possibility Wilts.

[IDM]

I think it was Emily Thornberry in an interview several months ago said there was no possibility of re joing EU so it's hardly breaking news

Exactly Raven, probably the worst kept secret in politics.
I mentioned a few days ago that vociferous remainers who are LP supporters will have to make a decision on whether to vote Labour and back the no return to the EU decision or vote for another Party.
That decision alone will split the Labour vote even more than it is currently.
I noticed that one or two of the more prominent posters kept their powder dry and, very politician like, didn’t comment.

But then again the mass exodus of “red wall” Labour voters who voted Tory last time may switch back..

I am guessing here but I reckon the Labour Party would stand the next election on managing the country post brexit rather than trying to reverse the outcome.  Depending upon how the next tory pm works out, most of the Labour supporters could be even more behind the party then.

[tyke1962]

Aye Tyke.

Potential Labour supporters are going so "mental" with Starmer that Labour's just hit 45% in one poll.

They've only topped that ( and then only by 1%) in three opinion polls in the past 20 years.

And a week is a long time in politics which makes two years down the road practically the next century .

[drfchound]

Aye Tyke.

Potential Labour supporters are going so "mental" with Starmer that Labour's just hit 45% in one poll.

They've only topped that ( and then only by 1%) in three opinion polls in the past 20 years.

Hardly surprising though given the events of the last few days.
That percentage could seriously change depending on the outcome of Johnson’s replacement.

Aye, it could go up!

I never said it couldn’t though did I matey.
More likely the other way though if the government get someone with credence into the top,job.

[drfchound]

I think it was Emily Thornberry in an interview several months ago said there was no possibility of re joing EU so it's hardly breaking news

Exactly Raven, probably the worst kept secret in politics.
I mentioned a few days ago that vociferous remainers who are LP supporters will have to make a decision on whether to vote Labour and back the no return to the EU decision or vote for another Party.
That decision alone will split the Labour vote even more than it is currently.
I noticed that one or two of the more prominent posters kept their powder dry and, very politician like, didn’t comment.

But then again the mass exodus of “red wall” Labour voters who voted Tory last time may switch back..

I am guessing here but I reckon the Labour Party would stand the next election on managing the country post brexit rather than trying to reverse the outcome.  Depending upon how the next tory pm works out, most of the Labour supporters could be even more behind the party then.

Yes IDM, as I said to wilts, it depends on who gets the top job.
However if Labour do win next time  I think it would be fair to say that lots of the remain voters who are LP supporters will have stayed with them for them to get enough seats to win.
Perhaps as syd suggested elsewhere, people will just have to accept the Brexit outcome and get on with it.

Quote from SydneyRover:
Off Topic / Re: Will Starmer be "fine" or "fined" ?
« on: July 08, 2022, 11:42:11 pm »
I guess it's like brexit, one has to accept the result and deal with the consequences

[IDM]

Will there be any major party proposing to reverse brexit at the next GE anyway?  Surely the differences will be how we deal with the consequences long term, without the covid distraction?

[drfchound]

Will there be any major party proposing to reverse brexit at the next GE anyway?  Surely the differences will be how we deal with the consequences long term, without the covid distraction?

No mate, I don’t think anyone will be trying to reverse the Brexit decision.
It’s just that certain posters have banged on about what a poor decision Brexit was to have been made and don’t seem to be able to accept that it is here to stay (probably for a long time).
I have been thinking for some time that some Labour voters who voted to remain might have to have a rethink if they want to support the LP.
I agree with syd that we have to live with it

[ravenrover]

I think with the requirements the EU would put on us, joining the euro for example would prevent such attempts. The best we could hope for is Free Trade and/or Customs Union and remain outside the EU. So in fact the remainers would have their wish we remain outside the EU :-))

[IDM]

Will there be any major party proposing to reverse brexit at the next GE anyway?  Surely the differences will be how we deal with the consequences long term, without the covid distraction?

No mate, I don’t think anyone will be trying to reverse the Brexit decision.
It’s just that certain posters have banged on about what a poor decision Brexit was to have been made and don’t seem to be able to accept that it is here to stay (probably for a long time).
I have been thinking for some time that some Labour voters who voted to remain might have to have a rethink if they want to support the LP.
I agree with syd that we have to live with it

If their main reason for not supporting Labour is wanting to remain, then who else would they chose to support if no other party offers an alternative to match.?

I think the whole process of brexit was flawed from start to finish, but our government, whatever it’s colour, needs to manage the aftermath effectively.  To date the Tories haven’t,  laundering their way to a last minute “deal” and the ongoing fiasco with Northern Ireland where they could even break international law..

It’s still a mess, but which party can voters trust to fix it?

[idler]

My nephew left the army after the Gulf War but stayed in Germany and married a German girl. He has worked in import/export for many years. He was over last weekend for a family wedding. I was asking him about the effects of Brexit and what he thought of it. He said that many people he knew were no longer even trying to buy from the UK any more because the paperwork was horrendous and our firms just couldn’t deliver.

[Glyn_Wigley]

My nephew left the army after the Gulf War but stayed in Germany and married a German girl. He has worked in import/export for many years. He was over last weekend for a family wedding. I was asking him about the effects of Brexit and what he thought of it. He said that many people he knew were no longer even trying to buy from the UK any more because the paperwork was horrendous and our firms just couldn’t deliver.

When I pointed this out before the referendum, it was shouted down as Project Fear and 'you can't possibly know what is going to happen'. Despite it being blindingly obvious what the result of leaving the Single Market was going to be.

[IDM]

But but but…. We regained control of our borders apparently..

Yet when refugees/immigrants whatever you call them cross the channel in tightly packed boats our plan is to fly them off to Rwanda.!  Apparently not welcome in the uk because they already reached a “safe” country ie France.. so why not send them back to France?