The next General Election.

[Colin C No.3]

I appreciate we’re talking two years hence, but if it’s Truss is next Prime Minister on Monday & Starmer can’t make mince meat out of her at the dispatch box & more importantly, having shown her up there for what she is & how divisive a government she continues to lead on the back of ‘Bongo’, then the Labour Party fails us all as a credible government.

Time to step up to the mark Kier.

[tyke1962]

I appreciate we’re talking two years hence, but if it’s Truss is next Prime Minister on Monday & Starmer can’t make mince meat out of her at the dispatch box & more importantly, having shown her up there for what she is & how divisive a government she continues to lead on the back of ‘Bongo’, then the Labour Party fails us all as a credible government.

Time to step up to the mark Kier.

There is some value in PMQ's but not as much as many people think , William Hague was very good at holding Blair to account but got trashed at the 2001 GE anyway .

I'm not even convinced the Tories want to win the next GE in all honesty .

[River Don]

I don't usually vote for a mainstream party because I have lived in areas where there's a definite incumbant.

This time I will vote Labour to try and get them out.

[phil old leake]

Tyke in a surreal way there may be something in that

Whoever gets elected next has a poison challis and major issues to resolve.  It will be hard for any party to resolve and easy for any party to cock up

[Colemans Left Hook]

I appreciate we’re talking two years hence, but if it’s Truss is next Prime Minister on Monday & Starmer can’t make mince meat out of her at the dispatch box & more importantly, having shown her up there for what she is & how divisive a government she continues to lead on the back of ‘Bongo’, then the Labour Party fails us all as a credible government.

Time to step up to the mark Kier.

it didn't make any difference Hague making mincemeat out of bliar did it
as our resident activist posted 3 years ago

LDR

That is a very important point you make there.

Most people's engagement with politics is extremely superficial.

So it didn't matter that Hague regularly tied Blair in knots at PMQs. Hague looked like a foetus and Blair looked commanding.

Similarly, it didn't matter that Milliband and Balls comprehensively won the argument on Austerity. One of them looked like Wallace choking on a bacon sarnie and the other one blinked a lot. Whereas Cameron had that patrician air of calm confidence.

In 2008/9, at the depths of the Great Crash, a (Tory supporting) journalist from The Sunday Times shadowed Gordon Brown for 2 months and write articles about what he was doing to trying to save the British economy, and persuade global leaders to do similar things.

She said that she had been astonished at Brown's command of facts, rapid judgement, and ability to argue a case logically and firmly. She (a Tory) said that she came away from the experience with a deep respect for Brown that was entirely at odds with the bumbling, bungling, morose loser that was his public image. She said it was inevitable that he would lose the next Election because of that image. And she finished by saying that, if that were the case, we, the electorate, would get what we deserved.

Truss might (and its a big might) be very different from her public image just as brown was brown bread come election time

[drfchound]

I appreciate we’re talking two years hence, but if it’s Truss is next Prime Minister on Monday & Starmer can’t make mince meat out of her at the dispatch box & more importantly, having shown her up there for what she is & how divisive a government she continues to lead on the back of ‘Bongo’, then the Labour Party fails us all as a credible government.

Time to step up to the mark Kier.

it didn't make any difference Hague making mincemeat out of bliar did it
as our resident activist posted 3 years ago

LDR

That is a very important point you make there.

Most people's engagement with politics is extremely superficial.

So it didn't matter that Hague regularly tied Blair in knots at PMQs. Hague looked like a foetus and Blair looked commanding.

Similarly, it didn't matter that Milliband and Balls comprehensively won the argument on Austerity. One of them looked like Wallace choking on a bacon sarnie and the other one blinked a lot. Whereas Cameron had that patrician air of calm confidence.

In 2008/9, at the depths of the Great Crash, a (Tory supporting) journalist from The Sunday Times shadowed Gordon Brown for 2 months and write articles about what he was doing to trying to save the British economy, and persuade global leaders to do similar things.

She said that she had been astonished at Brown's command of facts, rapid judgement, and ability to argue a case logically and firmly. She (a Tory) said that she came away from the experience with a deep respect for Brown that was entirely at odds with the bumbling, bungling, morose loser that was his public image. She said it was inevitable that he would lose the next Election because of that image. And she finished by saying that, if that were the case, we, the electorate, would get what we deserved.

Truss might (and its a big might) be very different from her public image just as brown was brown bread come election time

That is a good observation CLH.
None of us really know much about Truss so we will have to judge her on what she does or doesn’t achieve.

[wilts rover]

Next GE could be closer than we think according to the front page of one of today's Tory papers.

[wilts rover]

One think is certain about Truss, she can only go up in public opinion. Only 2% of them think she will be a 'great' PM and 12% a 'good' one:

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1565955017810628609

[Panda]

What have the Tories actually achieved since Boris took over though? Brexit hasn't worked as more illegal migrants are crossing the channel daily than ever before. Many traditional non Tory voters voted for Johnson pretty much on the basis of immigration being out of control and the UK being able to make our own rules. That hasn't happened.

You could argue the Tories got the Covid vaccine rollout right but on the flipside, we didn't take advantage of that by the Tories choosing to come out of restrictions far too late. The number of non Covid deaths will dwarf the number of Covid deaths in time however and so that was a failure and it is debatable how many lives were actually saved from the vaccine because it is not actually measurable is it?

Given that many studies report the circulation of the virus as early as October 2019. By March 2020 when the first lockdown was made, the virus would have been around for 6 months. I certainly had it in December 2019 no question. Had nothing since because i have an immune system that hasn't been corrupted by mRNA technology. Lots of the population would have already had immunity.

The Tories under Johnson especially have got nothing right and basically got everything wrong by obliterating the country and yet he'd rather be seen in Ukraine giving them loads of cash when his own country is on it's knees too. Put there by him.

Truss, if it is to be her has an impossible task and she's another full of plans and words but nothing will happen. She was also part of the lockdown clan and by default she deserves to be tried for crimes against humanity never mind be lauded as the country's next saviour.

As for Starmer. Not heard anything from him whilst fatman Johnson has been sunning himself at the taxpayers expense for the last 2 months. Yes, that Johnson. The one who during COP was extolling the virtues of a reduction in air travel but who has spent the last few days flying aimlessly around the UK in a private jet for nothing more than self aggrandizing.

I just hope one day people will finally wake up. Neither Labour or the Tories are the future. They belong to old piscean age and need replacing.

[BillyStubbsTears]

By what ?

[Panda]

A new way of thinking. A new way of behaving. Based around honesty and integrity and no ego. The old traits that politicians have that don't serve the people have been brutally exposed and if people don't create a new way forward next time around, given all they've been put through - then they never will and will deserve everything they get IMO.

[BillyStubbsTears]

PS.
I'm not sure where you were when Starmer was setting out a fully costed plan to cap the energy prices at current levels.

What exactly DO you want from politicians?

[BillyStubbsTears]

A new way of thinking. A new way of behaving. Based around honesty and integrity and no ego. The old traits that politicians have that don't serve the people have been brutally exposed and if people don't create a new way forward next time around, given all they've been put through - then they never will.

And what exactly does that mean? What about policies and political direction?

Do you want someone to break the mold of UK party politics. And give us...what?

A Russia supporting liar like Farage?

A strutting egotist like Macron?

A criminal like Grillo?

[Panda]

A new way of thinking. A new way of behaving. Based around honesty and integrity and no ego. The old traits that politicians have that don't serve the people have been brutally exposed and if people don't create a new way forward next time around, given all they've been put through - then they never will.

And what exactly does that mean? What about policies and political direction?

Do you want someone to break the mold of UK party politics. And give us...what?

A Russia supporting liar like Farage?

A strutting egotist like Macron?

A criminal like Grillo?

Just someone with principles, able to address issues, able to not be bribed or manipulated by others and stop bullshitting us would be a start. Not a popular view but i'd have Thatcher over any politician these days, despite some of the mistakes she made. Someone not influenced by others or by money, power or populism.

[SydneyRover]

Did you know her well?

[tyke1962]

A new way of thinking. A new way of behaving. Based around honesty and integrity and no ego. The old traits that politicians have that don't serve the people have been brutally exposed and if people don't create a new way forward next time around, given all they've been put through - then they never will and will deserve everything they get IMO.

That won't come from the politicians as things stand right now .

The change you are wanting to see will only arrive when the people themselves join Trade Unions or People Movements and robustly campaign for change .

The current strategy within the Trade Union movement and movements such as " Enough is Enough " is to try and take the Labour Party with them rather than the other way round which clearly they aren't going to do or as robustly as they need .

Once enough of the people demand change its only ever going one way .

History tells us that .

[SydneyRover]

''Enough is Enough is a campaign to fight the cost of living crisis''

We were founded by trade unions and community organisations determined to push back against the misery forced on millions by rising bills, low wages, food poverty, shoddy housing – and a society run only for a wealthy elite.

Our five demands are clear:

1. A real pay rise
2. Slash energy bills
3. End food poverty
4. Decent homes for all
5. Tax the rich

[BillyStubbsTears]

 

A new way of thinking. A new way of behaving. Based around honesty and integrity and no ego. The old traits that politicians have that don't serve the people have been brutally exposed and if people don't create a new way forward next time around, given all they've been put through - then they never will.

And what exactly does that mean? What about policies and political direction?

Do you want someone to break the mold of UK party politics. And give us...what?

A Russia supporting liar like Farage?

A strutting egotist like Macron?

A criminal like Grillo?

Just someone with principles, able to address issues, able to not be bribed or manipulated by others and stop bullshitting us would be a start. Not a popular view but i'd have Thatcher over any politician these days, despite some of the mistakes she made. Someone not influenced by others or by money, power or populism.

But it's worth remembering what life was like under Thatcher.

Unemployment hit 28% in Mexborough.

Inequality of income and wealth had been evening out since the War. Under her it exploded.

Funding of state schools was cut.

The necessary increases in NHS budgets stalled.

And after all that, she hadn't conquered inflation as she'd promised. It exploded again in her final two years.

Oh aye. And the Poll Tax.

Be careful what you remember.

[tyke1962]

This clip perfectly makes the point for me with regard to where change is going to come .

https://youtu.be/82kEhhwl3h0

[scawsby steve]

A new way of thinking. A new way of behaving. Based around honesty and integrity and no ego. The old traits that politicians have that don't serve the people have been brutally exposed and if people don't create a new way forward next time around, given all they've been put through - then they never will.

And what exactly does that mean? What about policies and political direction?

Do you want someone to break the mold of UK party politics. And give us...what?

A Russia supporting liar like Farage?

A strutting egotist like Macron?

A criminal like Grillo?

A calm, unflappable intellectual like Mick Lynch, who can take an egotistical interviewer to the cleaners.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Yep SS, I'm very impressed with Lynch.

We need more of him. And we need more union strength full stop. The main reason that inequality fell for decades before Thatcher was that unions demanded a fairer share for workers. The main reason it rose under Thatcher was that she crushed the unions, and managers were allowed to screw down wages. That process has to be reversed over the next 50 years.

Running an entire Govt is a very different thing to running a union, mind.