Rees Mogg

[BillyStubbsTears]

By the way. That vital Cabinet Minister role of Rees-Mogg's? Leader of the House. In charge of HoC business.

Only...

The HoC wasn't sitting at that time as it was party conference season.

[tommy toes]

This issue is quite simple, despite people trying to deflect it with nonsense about private health insurance.

Rees-Mogg used his position of privilege and contacts in a way that was not open to the rest of us.
Any of us... maybe excepting the Royal Family. (That's another argument to be had)
And he sees no problem with this because of who he is.
And this issue is a microcosm of what's wrong with society under this Tory government.

[belton rover]

It’s not deflection. It’s highlighting hypocrisy.
The tory government and the royal family were not the only ones who could, or did, take advantage.

[ravenrover]

Please expand on that one BR

[DonnyOsmond]

Nice example of left v right mentalities in this thread.

The left think everyone is equal and no one should be jumping queues. Rules are for everyone.

The right think people should use their contacts to get them and their families in the best possible position, even if it requires ignoring general procedures.

[belton rover]

Donny, I’m assuming you are putting me in your ‘right’ category. Correct me if I’m wrong.
But, for clarity, my opinion of Rees-Mogg is that he is a slimy toad, who is as far away from someone who I would want to represent me as a politician as possible.
But what he did is no different to what many, many people would do, given the opportunity. Again, that doesn’t make it right, but unless the tory hating vocalists on here are all shining examples of perfection, then they are hypocrites.

[Branton Red]

Because anyone  - providing they have the money - can purchase private healthcare (its a perk of the job I currently do - I opted out).

Hey Wilts

I have private healthcare through work. It costs me very little so I accepted having it without giving it much thought to be honest.

Last year I developed such tremendous, continual pain in the back of my knee. I couldn't sit down, walking was painful, couldn't drive, was off work. Could only lie down on the sofa read and watch TV all day.

Initially I thought I'm not going to queue jump I'll go through the NHS (perhaps you have the same principles in your decision to opt out?). After an agonising couple of weeks travelling to and from hospital several times I a) hadn't seen a doctor b) hadn't been diagnosed and c) was told it would be a fortnight before I would see anybody else (a physio not a doctor).

At this point, exasperated and still in agony, I got an appointment through my private health insurance. I saw a doctor 3 days later who diagnosed me within 5 minutes and prescribed medication which relieved the majority of the pain within a week allowing me get back to living a normal(ish) life again.

I've subsequently had my condition treated, again privately given the wait time on the NHS was (I was still in considerable discomfort) unacceptably long.

It's easy to opt out of something like having private health insurance on principle when you're fit and healthy but it's quite different when you're in complete agony.

I'd recommend you opt into your work's scheme - you never know what's round the corner.

[Colemans Left Hook]

the bloke must be really stupid to opt out

 but the "opt out"claim is only heresay we have no proof.

on the Smog subject

have you ever heard a woman say she "would give her life for her child"

I heared that phrase a few years ago and have tested it on a few (women  and they all agreed

so I googled it  out of interest 

Has anyone thought Mr Mogg might have been pressurised into it by the RULER OF THE HOUSE  a.k.a. Mrs Mogg ??

as we know women will do anything for the benefit of their children. I have known examples of children being forced to learn a musical instrument to get a place in a "bette"r school.  I's rwally ungreat when the child next door plays the trumpet INvoluntary*


*A trumpet voluntary is a voluntary – a musical composition for the organ – played using the trumpet stop

On the theme of organ players  seriously they are very territorial and don't perform on others "patches"

[drfchound]

Donny, I’m assuming you are putting me in your ‘right’ category. Correct me if I’m wrong.
But, for clarity, my opinion of Rees-Mogg is that he is a slimy toad, who is as far away from someone who I would want to represent me as a politician as possible.
But what he did is no different to what many, many people would do, given the opportunity. Again, that doesn’t make it right, but unless the tory hating vocalists on here are all shining examples of perfection, then they are hypocrites.

Hi again belton. I have been out on a ten mile walk with a good friend of mine this morning and one of the things we spoke about was this Rees Mogg thing.
My friend likened him to a general of Hitler who would do anything that the leader told him to do.
I totally agree with him on that and with your slimy toad analagy but i can still understand why he might jump
the queue in the way he did.
Maybe CLH is correct with his thought that Mrs RM had the final say in this.

[ravenrover]

It’s not deflection. It’s highlighting hypocrisy.
The tory government and the royal family were not the only ones who could, or did, take advantage.

Please expand on that one BR

C'mon BR don't be shy, who else in Govt, Royal family or anyone else who could or DID abuse their position to take advantage?

[belton rover]

I don’t know who ‘DID’, Raven. But I know human nature.
Perhaps I should have made it clear that it was my opinion.
Are criminals only guilty if they are caught?
Do YOU believe only the government or the royal family took advantage?

[ravenrover]

As far as I know Smogg is the only one reported on, do you know of any others?. Surprised you used the word DID when you now say it's just your opinion

[belton rover]

No need to be surprised - I’ve explained that one for you.
Now how about answering my questions - I know you don’t like unanswered questions.
Don’t be shy.

[Filo]

It’s not deflection. It’s highlighting hypocrisy.
The tory government and the royal family were not the only ones who could, or did, take advantage.

Please expand on that one BR

C'mon BR don't be shy, who else in Govt, Royal family or anyone else who could or DID abuse their position to take advantage?

I’m sure Gove did the same early on in the pandemic for his daughter

[ravenrover]

No need to be surprised - I’ve explained that one for you.
Now how about answering my questions - I know you don’t like unanswered questions.
Don’t be shy.

Suggest you re read my post in response to your question.
Now back to my question to you, who DID ?

[belton rover]

I asked you if you believed anyone else took advantage. I’m asking for your opinion. Do you have one?
As I explained, it is my opinion that others would have done. No I didn’t put my opinion initially. You pulled me up on it and I rectified it.
Get over it.

[ravenrover]

Nope, unless anyone is brought to task how can anyone have an ooinion about something they know nothing about.
I still don't understand how stating someone "did," is just an opinion, but that's just my opinion

[belton rover]

Raven.
Do you believe that there is life on other planets, out of our solar system?

[ravenrover]

And on that, I'm out. You can have the last word

[wilts rover]

Opinions are based on facts. Beliefs dont need facts.

As certain posters appear determined to prove.

[belton rover]

And on that, I'm out. You can have the last word

I see what you did there.

[belton rover]

Opinions are based on facts. Beliefs dont need facts.

As certain posters appear determined to prove.

I agree, Wilts.
Hence my comment about human nature.. it is a fact that some people are as pure and kind and honest as could be. It’s also a fact that some people are evil. It’s also a fact that everyone else in the human race is somewhere in between the two.
Based on those facts, it is my opinion that not only government officials and the royal family abused their positions during Covid, but others did too.

[SydneyRover]

Here's a tale about a man that couldn't call a mate to get him a break .........

''One minute, everything’s fine; you have a job, a girlfriend, a mortgage and a life. Then something happens that threatens all of it. You get a hernia. I’m a debt adviser and work with people who face life-destroying levels of debt, and this is one of the cases I’ve worked on over the years''

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/mar/06/england-2023-welfare-system-debt-state-support

And the thing is, he's far from the only one.

[belton rover]

Here's a tale about a man that couldn't call a mate to get him a break .........

''One minute, everything’s fine; you have a job, a girlfriend, a mortgage and a life. Then something happens that threatens all of it. You get a hernia. I’m a debt adviser and work with people who face life-destroying levels of debt, and this is one of the cases I’ve worked on over the years''

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/mar/06/england-2023-welfare-system-debt-state-support

And the thing is, he's far from the only one.

That’s a sad story and indicative of how broken this country is in. It shouldn’t be lost in a thread bickering about Rees-Mogg’s couriered Covid test.

I hope the next government (whoever that may be) can at least begin to improve things.
I don’t expect to see much improvement in my lifetime, though.