3-4-3

[Canadian Rover]

Can everyone at the club please stop saying this is the formation we play. It's beyond misleading. Maxwell kept stating it on Ifollow too. We don't play 3 at the back we play 5. Five at home always. We also don't play with 3 forwards; we play with one.

Hurst and Mollyneux are lost in the roles they are expected to play.

Brown was ok, Seaman was very good today but they are playing in a back 5 not in a midfield 4.

I don't care however Danny tries to say the formation doesn't matter that's complete and utter bull 

I thought I'd remention this today after a win. I'm happy we won. But don't be fooled nothing is fixed.

We need a new manager, players or formation and tactics. The team were still poor (and) VERY lucky to win. That goal line clearance from the Wimbledon forward was horrific!! As bad as I've ever seen.

We won. Great. But don't be fooled.

[Bessie Red]

We played 3-5-2 today. Brown & Seaman were pushed up very high for a lot of the game and Molyneux stayed fairly close to Miller throughout.

[Canadian Rover]

5 alludes to them being in midfield. They aren't. They did play higher than recent (mainly due to a lack of threat from a very poor Wimbledon side)

[sedwardsdrfc]

If a side keeps the ball well and attacks us it’ll be a back 5 and a 4 in midfield. Doesn’t give us much to hit when we win the ball back

[Campsall rover]

We played 3-5-2 today. Brown & Seaman were pushed up very high for a lot of the game and Molyneux stayed fairly close to Miller throughout.

5-3-2 without the ball 3-5-2 with the ball.  By heck DS didn’t we look better for Miller having some support.
Please tell me the Penny has dropped at last.

[Canadian Rover]

We played 3-5-2 today. Brown & Seaman were pushed up very high for a lot of the game and Molyneux stayed fairly close to Miller throughout.

5-3-2 without the ball 3-5-2 with the ball.  By heck DS didn’t we look better for Miller having some support.
Please tell me the Penny has dropped at last.

It isn't though. A wingback would still not offer the same starting position or threat as a traditional wide midfielder (exceptions are TAA and Cancelo as examples)

[sedwardsdrfc]

It’s a shame we can’t drop the back 3. Hurst was missing from the team today and he’s probably out best player, or at least the most watchable. We’ll struggle to get Molynuex and Hurst in midfield while keeping 3 in midfield which I think we need because of his lightweight they are.

[Filo]

Hurst needs to work on his body strength, gets brushed off the ball far too easily

[Campsall rover]

We played 3-5-2 today. Brown & Seaman were pushed up very high for a lot of the game and Molyneux stayed fairly close to Miller throughout.

5-3-2 without the ball 3-5-2 with the ball.  By heck DS didn’t we look better for Miller having some support.
Please tell me the Penny has dropped at last.

It isn't though. A wingback would still not offer the same starting position or threat as a traditional wide midfielder (exceptions are TAA and Cancelo as examples)

What isn’t? You have lost me my fellow CR
Brown and Seaman were wing backs in a 5-3-2 or 3-5-2 depending whether we were defending or attacking. 
When Hurst came on you could make a case to say it became slightly more fluid.
I think we can become obsessed with formations and what we are supposed to be playing.

The one thing that stands out a mile is Miller needs someone close to him to be affective. The same goes for Lavery. Neither are either big or physically strong enough to play the lone striker role.

Hopefully after today DS has grasped that fact and will play 2 up top for the remainder of the season.
Whatever formation we play it’s vital that which ever 2 play up top that Miller, Lavery or Molyneux if he continues to play the role he had today are playing close together and they are given passes on the deck and not 20ft up in the air. The midfielders also as they did today need to get up and support the front players. Today 1st half it was much better and we scored 2 goals. DS take note please.
Not rocket science is it.

[Campsall rover]

Hurst needs to work on his body strength, gets brushed off the ball far too easily

Agree Filo. He has the potential to become a very good player. Just needs to be stronger physically.
Same goes for Miller. Yes he will never be a target man but even playing off one he needs to be stronger.

[Canadian Rover]

We played 3-5-2 today. Brown & Seaman were pushed up very high for a lot of the game and Molyneux stayed fairly close to Miller throughout.

5-3-2 without the ball 3-5-2 with the ball.  By heck DS didn’t we look better for Miller having some support.
Please tell me the Penny has dropped at last.

It isn't though. A wingback would still not offer the same starting position or threat as a traditional wide midfielder (exceptions are TAA and Cancelo as examples)

What isn’t? You have lost me my fellow CR
Brown and Seaman were wing backs in a 5-3-2 or 3-5-2 depending whether we were defending or attacking. 
When Hurst came on you could make a case to say it became slightly more fluid.
I think we can become obsessed with formations and what we are supposed to be playing.

The one thing that stands out a mile is Miller needs someone close to him to be affective. The same goes for Lavery. Neither are either big or physically strong enough to play the lone striker role.

Hopefully after today DS has grasped that fact and will play 2 up top for the remainder of the season.
Whatever formation we play it’s vital that which ever 2 play up top that Miller, Lavery or Molyneux if he continues to play the role he had today are playing close together and they are given passes on the deck and not 20ft up in the air. The midfielders also as they did today need to get up and support the front players. Today 1st half it was much better and we scored 2 goals. DS take note please.
Not rocket science is it.

I agree with almost everything you placed there. But with a wingback we get possession generally too deep to be effective where as if we played 4-5-1 for example the wide midfield would be further up and also more importantly win possession further up the pitch. Maybe the problem isn't the wingback system but with the roles Hurst and Luke have been playing.  As mentioned maybe with a 3rd in centre the midfield and 2 up top it may create more possible creative attacking play and possession won further up the pitch.

Danny generally thinks fans are stupid for thinking about formations ; I'd say he's naive for not considering the lack of fluidity within the system he has been playing. There is still no way near enough attacking play. Miller got his goal and I'm chuffed for him but he was still starved of good service and opportunity today.

[Sammy Chung was King]

3-4-3 against the better teams leaves us wide open down the flanks. If you play two players down each flank, that allows an attacking full back to go forward, while the guy in front of him covers his position.
3-4-3 is a very good formation if you have the players. You need three very good centre backs, ideally with at least one, who can bring the ball out.

Your wing backs need to be good crossers of the ball. They need to have great recovery of position when the ball is lost.
Allied to that you need a really good sitting midfielder that protects the area in front of the three.
We don’t really have the central defenders who can play this way, unless you have Anderson and Olowu as the markers, with Rowe carrying the ball out.

The wing backs, yes they can do that job to a degree. Both need to be quick getting back into position.
We miss that midfielder that runs the midfield. Plays the short simple passes. Breaks up play and gives it to the better players.
We need more substance to our side to allow the style of your Molyneux, Hurst etc players to be able to show their worth consistently.
Miller you must give him good service. Get players around him in support. You can’t leave him or Lavery isolated on their own. That is not their game.

4-5-1 would suit what we have. Miller with Molyneux from the right coming in as he did at Hartlepool. Hurst on the opposite flank. But they need to also track back and support their full back.
Close needs to up his game, he has the class but needs to be showing it regularly at this level. Get him behind Miller feeding him. Biggins and Lakin need to do the donkey work between them behind him.

It would work best with Maxwell and Brown as full backs as we don’t really have another natural left back, unless young Freddie Allen is ready to step up? Otherwise it’s somebody not really comfortable there. If we haven’t got the money to go out and get players, then youth players must given opportunities.
We are running a youth set up where not enough trust is shown in our own youth players. They have to get chances.

Why when we struggled for goals was young Goodman not around the squad. How can you really know if people are good enough if you show no faith in them?
Faulkner shouldn’t have been loaned out, he was good enough to be starting games or on the bench. I understand Ravenhill maybe needed a loan. Kuleya yes maybe but isn’t it better to give them short loans, then get them back in?

Great result today. It doesn’t matter that they aren’t a great side, we needed three points to get us going again. Miller back scoring again. Get him the ball in the right areas and he will score.
The whole team needs to work as one. If we want to do anything long or short term. The manager needs to be less predictable in the sides and formations he puts out. Work to be done on the training pitch.