Wellens

[i_ateallthepies]

I think to apportion blame onto any single person not in total control of the club is a bit silly.

[belton rover]

Or it wasn’t Blunt at all.

Are you in cloud cookoo land.. Blunt and his austerity and the statements since show a strategic decision by the Board led to us losing c70 league games in 3 seasons. Irrespective of Wellens. We move on and have hope under McCann but Let's not forget the raft of crap budgets, bull spinning and acknowledgement right from the top that strategic decisions led to significant cost cutting at the club and left us bereft of quality on it alighned a number of poor managerial decisions.

Pleased to have fresh hope under McCann amd better recruitment on players but let's not exonerate Blunt here from his part in a sh..show and lack of leadership and direction in the worst run of results other than under Uncle Ken in my 40 years of supporting Rovers.

I was talking solely about the decision to exile Bogle.

[Bentley Bullet]

We don't know the full ins and outs of the Bogle situation so none of us are in a position to comment with authority.

[ForsolongaRover]

And where was Baldwin in all this?

[Donny Exile in York]

Or it wasn’t Blunt at all.

Are you in cloud cookoo land.. Blunt and his austerity and the statements since show a strategic decision by the Board led to us losing c70 league games in 3 seasons. Irrespective of Wellens. We move on and have hope under McCann but Let's not forget the raft of crap budgets, bull spinning and acknowledgement right from the top that strategic decisions led to significant cost cutting at the club and left us bereft of quality on it alighned a number of poor managerial decisions.

Pleased to have fresh hope under McCann amd better recruitment on players but let's not exonerate Blunt here from his part in a sh..show and lack of leadership and direction in the worst run of results other than under Uncle Ken in my 40 years of supporting Rovers.

I was talking solely about the decision to exile Bogle.

Fair enough Belton understood

[DonnyBazR0ver]

He said, they said blah blah blah.

Ffs, it's in the past now. These times were very testing for everyone and maybe hindsight and subsequent actions have shown thinking wasn't as clear as it could have been during that period.

We've moved on for the better without Wellens and without Bogle. Rejoice!

Very strange post. As if we’re not going to discuss such a recent interview?

Maybe but you know with these things, we go round in circles and there will always be those who present opinions as facts when nobody can know the absolute truth about a series of events.

Just like when folk jump on the interview Dickov gave. The article Fergie published in which he said a few complimentary things about the club but yet, some folk were determined to cryptically unravel his words about his ambition and 'consolidation'' and use it as a stick to beat the club with.

It just regurgitates fodder for those looking for a witch hunt against Bramall, oops, Baldwin, oops Blunt!!

I have no opinion about Blunt. I've never met him, only heard him at the meet the owners but it seems he's responsible for all the bad things that happen but can't be credited with any of the good things.

[DonnyOsmond]

And where was Baldwin in all this?

Helping Club Doncaster generate funds for DRFC, why?

[ravenrover]

When Wellens came to Rovers he had to do something he hadn't done in other managerial positions, try and build virtually a new team on a limited budget something he hadn't done previously or needed to do at Orient.
I think it's It's fair to say he failed miserably at Rovers

[Bentley Bullet]

Maybe we should appoint a manager who had failed miserably like Leyton Orient did.

[Branton Rover]

Interesting that it was the chairman who said Bogle wouldn’t play for us anymore - that was a complete folly he was a recognised striker and we played without one away at Rotherham in a 4-6 formation which is unforgivable - Wellens should have had the balls to say I pick the team, we haven’t got a striker therefore Bogle plays. For my money if he’d done that we’d have stayed up. Instead he went out and signed Dodoo from the dole queue & we all know how that ended.

[Drover]

IMO Wellens always seemed to pass the buck if things didn’t go right on and off the pitch

So true,I loved watching Richie play for us,usually a fantastic player,but I also remember several times that when he made a mistake,we conceded a goal or was made to look at fault,he would look for the nearest young player or less regarded/experienced player and give him a rollicking despite the said player seemingly doing absolutely nothing wrong.

[Bentley Bullet]

Being nice isn't a job, otherwise Mother Teresa of Calcutta would have been better in midfield than him.

[ravenrover]

Maybe we should appoint a manager who had failed miserably like Leyton Orient did.

He failed miserably to build a new team, did he have to do that at Swiindon or Orient?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Interesting that it was the chairman who said Bogle wouldn’t play for us anymore - that was a complete folly he was a recognised striker and we played without one away at Rotherham in a 4-6 formation which is unforgivable - Wellens should have had the balls to say I pick the team, we haven’t got a striker therefore Bogle plays. For my money if he’d done that we’d have stayed up. Instead he went out and signed Dodoo from the dole queue & we all know how that ended.

Which is precisely the reason this claim sets my bullshit detector wailing.

No manager is ever going to go into a season with only one recognised striker, be told by his chairman not to pick him, watch the side perform miserably every week and end up getting sacked, without giving the chairman an ear full.

I've heard more believable nursery rhymes.

[Bentley Bullet]

Maybe we should appoint a manager who had failed miserably like Leyton Orient did.

He failed miserably to build a new team, did he have to do that at Swiindon or Orient?

I don't know how many new players he bought, but he turned a team of relegation threatened losers into a team of champions.

[ravenrover]

Didn't he do the same at Swindon? That ended well

[Bentley Bullet]

Didn't he do the same at Swindon? That ended well

He won the league with Swindon.

[Chris Black come back]

It’s undeniable he has done well with fairly modestly resourced sides. He has had some failures but all in all he has been given some fairly tough gigs and succeeded in most of them.

[Donny Exile in York]

He said, they said blah blah blah.

Ffs, it's in the past now. These times were very testing for everyone and maybe hindsight and subsequent actions have shown thinking wasn't as clear as it could have been during that period.

We've moved on for the better without Wellens and without Bogle. Rejoice!

Very strange post. As if we’re not going to discuss such a recent interview?

Maybe but you know with these things, we go round in circles and there will always be those who present opinions as facts when nobody can know the absolute truth about a series of events.

Just like when folk jump on the interview Dickov gave. The article Fergie published in which he said a few complimentary things about the club but yet, some folk were determined to cryptically unravel his words about his ambition and 'consolidation'' and use it as a stick to beat the club with.

It just regurgitates fodder for those looking for a witch hunt against Bramall, oops, Baldwin, oops Blunt!!

I have no opinion about Blunt. I've never met him, only heard him at the meet the owners but it seems he's responsible for all the bad things that happen but can't be credited with any of the good things.

3 years of the worst results in our history under his tenure doesn't need anymore explaining. If you seriously think.there is an absolute exoneratiom of blame for those results and managerial appointments then as the saying.goes you need your head read.  Those three seasons cannot.be.justofied or excused away no matter how hollier than thou you might be.
 As I say McCanns appointment has given our Chairman a get out of jail free card at present.

And I'm not saying Wellens wasn't culpable either. He certainly played his part along with other managers., the players, recruitment team etc.

[ravenrover]

Didn't he do the same at Swindon? That ended well

He won the league with Swindon.

That was the opening of the post BB Won the league with Swindon, and then........
But I'll leave the last word to you BB that's how you like it

[Bentley Bullet]

Thanks RR.

Did Wellens sign any players of his personal choice, or were they the decision of the recruitment team?

[DonnyBazR0ver]

He said, they said blah blah blah.

Ffs, it's in the past now. These times were very testing for everyone and maybe hindsight and subsequent actions have shown thinking wasn't as clear as it could have been during that period.

We've moved on for the better without Wellens and without Bogle. Rejoice!

Very strange post. As if we’re not going to discuss such a recent interview?

Maybe but you know with these things, we go round in circles and there will always be those who present opinions as facts when nobody can know the absolute truth about a series of events.

Just like when folk jump on the interview Dickov gave. The article Fergie published in which he said a few complimentary things about the club but yet, some folk were determined to cryptically unravel his words about his ambition and 'consolidation'' and use it as a stick to beat the club with.

It just regurgitates fodder for those looking for a witch hunt against Bramall, oops, Baldwin, oops Blunt!!

I have no opinion about Blunt. I've never met him, only heard him at the meet the owners but it seems he's responsible for all the bad things that happen but can't be credited with any of the good things.

3 years of the worst results in our history under his tenure doesn't need anymore explaining. If you seriously think.there is an absolute exoneratiom of blame for those results and managerial appointments then as the saying.goes you need your head read.  Those three seasons cannot.be.justofied or excused away no matter how hollier than thou you might be.
 As I say McCanns appointment has given our Chairman a get out of jail free card at present.

And I'm not saying Wellens wasn't culpable either. He certainly played his part along with other managers., the players, recruitment team etc.

Who said there was an exhoneration of blame?

It was a shitshow but there's a number of key people responsible for running a football club and trying to manage a team successfully. It isn't like any other business. And by the way, there's been worse periods in our history.

[Chris Black come back]

We had / have a recruitment team?

[Donny Exile in York]

He said, they said blah blah blah.

Ffs, it's in the past now. These times were very testing for everyone and maybe hindsight and subsequent actions have shown thinking wasn't as clear as it could have been during that period.

We've moved on for the better without Wellens and without Bogle. Rejoice!

Very strange post. As if we’re not going to discuss such a recent interview?

Maybe but you know with these things, we go round in circles and there will always be those who present opinions as facts when nobody can know the absolute truth about a series of events.

Just like when folk jump on the interview Dickov gave. The article Fergie published in which he said a few complimentary things about the club but yet, some folk were determined to cryptically unravel his words about his ambition and 'consolidation'' and use it as a stick to beat the club with.

It just regurgitates fodder for those looking for a witch hunt against Bramall, oops, Baldwin, oops Blunt!!

I have no opinion about Blunt. I've never met him, only heard him at the meet the owners but it seems he's responsible for all the bad things that happen but can't be credited with any of the good things.

3 years of the worst results in our history under his tenure doesn't need anymore explaining. If you seriously think.there is an absolute exoneratiom of blame for those results and managerial appointments then as the saying.goes you need your head read.  Those three seasons cannot.be.justofied or excused away no matter how hollier than thou you might be.
 As I say McCanns appointment has given our Chairman a get out of jail free card at present.

And I'm not saying Wellens wasn't culpable either. He certainly played his part along with other managers., the players, recruitment team etc.

Who said there was an exhoneration of blame?

It was a shitshow but there's a number of key people responsible for running a football club and trying to manage a team successfully. It isn't like any other business. And by the way, there's been worse periods in our history.

You've basically just repeated what I said. At the end of the day responsibility lies at the top. Simple as  I referred to many parts but your continuing as if you are defending Blunt as Chairman presiding over the sh!tshow.  Track record as Chairman over 10 years is dire amd stark given the 10 years before his tenure.   

And for worst periods of our history over a three year period 96 to 98 maybe, even say 88 to 90 was probably better results wise so your scraping the bottom  of the barrel with that assertion. Blunt is better than the worst, great eh.. given our much better facilities and attendances these days its probably been on a par or actually worse.