Desire and heart

[tyke1962]

I would imagine the Ryan era was a massively exciting time to be a Rovers fan given what played out before and seeing the club drop in to the 5th tier .

What a journey that was from Dover away to going to Nottingham Forest in the championship and playing them off the park .

To not look back on those days with anything other than fondness seems a little strange even with the warts attached .

Just how many times in your lifespan are you going to see such a meteoric rise at Doncaster Rovers with respect given the club's overall history and many of you were lucky enough to be around to see it ? .

Standing on the terraces at Dover in the late 90's  you'd probably have to be mad to even dream about playing Leeds United at Wembley for a place in the second tier at a brand new stadium never mind winning the game .

The real tragedy is that you currently sit where you do in league two and it was allowed to happen given what Ryan built .

[Barmby Rover]

I would imagine the Ryan era was a massively exciting time to be a Rovers fan given what played out before and seeing the club drop in to the 5th tier .

What a journey that was from Dover away to going to Nottingham Forest in the championship and playing them off the park .

To not look back on those days with anything other than fondness seems a little strange even with the warts attached .

Just how many times in your lifespan are you going to see such a meteoric rise at Doncaster Rovers with respect given the club's overall history and many of you were lucky enough to be around to see it ? .

Standing on the terraces at Dover in the late 90's  you'd probably have to be mad to even dream about playing Leeds United at Wembley for a place in the second tier at a brand new stadium never mind winning the game .

The real tragedy is that you currently sit where you do in league two and it was allowed to happen given what Ryan built .

Absolutely true Tyke, having built up all the infrastructure on the back of that rise it is a tragedy that the playing staff has not been built upon for the last 4-5 years, basically because there was a culture of " no need to invest, we can become sustainable without any input". We will return to where we came from unless that turns around. That started last summer, but it needs more, and without other investors coming forward things will not get better than surviving in Lg.2 (if we are lucky)

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I've not suggested that JR was innocent of certain events before his leaving, but I get sick of reading the same old stories by the same old people who seem intent on attacking him at every opportunity.

At the end of the day, JR was dedicated and driven by ambition for Rovers, and if he was rich enough he would quite possibly have achieved his ambition without the need to seek other unorthodox channels.

Absolutely, but then wouldn't 99% of the posters on this forum if we had the money?

It is absolutely fine to praise and criticise the same individuals for good and bad things.  John clearly got desperate after what were amazing achievements.

When I look back there's stand out moments that were great and bad for the club.

Looking at the current owners, their track record last three to four years hads vlbeen woeful without doubt.  It's set the club back years.  They have to turn it around in the next 6-12 months or ultimately do everything they can to give someone else a shot.

[drfchound]

I would imagine the Ryan era was a massively exciting time to be a Rovers fan given what played out before and seeing the club drop in to the 5th tier .

What a journey that was from Dover away to going to Nottingham Forest in the championship and playing them off the park .

To not look back on those days with anything other than fondness seems a little strange even with the warts attached .

Just how many times in your lifespan are you going to see such a meteoric rise at Doncaster Rovers with respect given the club's overall history and many of you were lucky enough to be around to see it ? .

Standing on the terraces at Dover in the late 90's  you'd probably have to be mad to even dream about playing Leeds United at Wembley for a place in the second tier at a brand new stadium never mind winning the game .

The real tragedy is that you currently sit where you do in league two and it was allowed to happen given what Ryan built .

Great post tyke.
Interesting that “an outsider” (no disrespect at all intended) can see things in the way that myself and many others can see how things have degenerated.
And yes, they were fantastic times on the way back up.

[Michael Shaw]

Wise words Tyke. They were great days and you are so incitive. And most of us just want those days back, and it is distressing to see where we are now.

[BillyStubbsTears]

So it's fine to regularly whine about the current owners for not spending as much as you want on your hobby, and to compare them unfavourably to a past chairman.

But no-one else can discuss anything about the past chairman.

Right. Got it.

[tyke1962]

I would imagine the Ryan era was a massively exciting time to be a Rovers fan given what played out before and seeing the club drop in to the 5th tier .

What a journey that was from Dover away to going to Nottingham Forest in the championship and playing them off the park .

To not look back on those days with anything other than fondness seems a little strange even with the warts attached .

Just how many times in your lifespan are you going to see such a meteoric rise at Doncaster Rovers with respect given the club's overall history and many of you were lucky enough to be around to see it ? .

Standing on the terraces at Dover in the late 90's  you'd probably have to be mad to even dream about playing Leeds United at Wembley for a place in the second tier at a brand new stadium never mind winning the game .

The real tragedy is that you currently sit where you do in league two and it was allowed to happen given what Ryan built .

Great post tyke.
Interesting that “an outsider” (no disrespect at all intended) can see things in the way that myself and many others can see how things have degenerated.
And yes, they were fantastic times on the way back up.

It's a funny old world Hound .

Our former chairman John Dennis is your John Ryan and our Craig Hignett is your Billy Sharp .

You hear it over here with John Dennis , the man responsible for us nearly going out of business and in administration in 2002 .

The fact that our John gave us an automatic promotion from the championship , a season in the PL , our first ever trip to Wembley for the 2000 Championship Play Off Final , rebuilt Oakwell with three new stands , built an academy and training facilities that are still right up there and brought quality players to the club we'd never have dreamed of , Hignett , Bruce Dyer , Neil Shipperley , Mike Sheron , Robbie Van De Laan , Kevin Richardson , Geoff Thomas and Steve Chettle and managed by championship promotion specialist Dave Bassett seems to have been eradicated from history .

John Dennis between 1996 - 2000 gave us times we'll never see again in my opinion .

Did he extend us beyond our means ?

Most certainly but only because we lost the 2000 Championship Play Off Final and the subsequent collapse of ITV Digital .

People like John Dennis and John Ryan provided the golden years because they dared to gamble and unfortunately it turned sour in the end .

I prefer to remember the ride John Dennis took us on myself and I wouldn't have it any other way .

For a brief period it was fantastic , memories I'll never forget and will always treasure .

It is what it is in my opinion with Dennis and Ryan .

If they weren't put together the way they were we wouldn't have seen anything .

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tyke.

Nice post but I'm not sure you're getting the point here, along with a few others who should know better.

No one at Donny has anything but the utmost thanks for what Ryan did in pulling the club round and setting us up for the best time in 50 years. No-one.

The issue is that there are many who complain constantly about the men who then continued to subsidise the club after Ryan left. The posts I've made are meant in that context. Pointing out that, but for them, we would have been in a right pickle for the past decade. Not least because Ryan's plans at the end of his spell were disastrous.

One can quite reasonably love what Ryan did 25 years ago, tear your hair out at what went on a decade ago, and be thankful to the people who continued to put huge amounts of their personal wealth into the club after he'd gone.

[Bentley Bullet]

B*llocks. Bringing up "The Experiment" at every opportunity is far from an example of giving anything but the utmost thanks for what Ryan did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years.

John Ryan's name came up on this thread because its title is Desire and Heart, and the poster's opinion was that the last time he'd felt the club had those things was when John Ryan was Chairman, and now, as a result, we find ourselves barely able to cope in League Two.

It was YOU who changed the direction of the thread by ignoring the poster's thoughts and challenging the actions of John Ryan, the bloke who you don't have anything but the utmost thanks for.

[drfchound]

B*llocks. Bringing up "The Experiment" at every opportunity is far from an example of giving anything but the utmost thanks for what Ryan did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years.

John Ryan's name came up on this thread because its title is Desire and Heart, and the poster's opinion was that the last time he'd felt the club had those things was when John Ryan was Chairman, and now, as a result, we find ourselves barely able to cope in League Two.

It was YOU who changed the direction of the thread by ignoring the poster's thoughts and challenging the actions of John Ryan, the bloke who you don't have anything but the utmost thanks for.

Yep, that.
 
 
Undeniably, that.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

I'm sure McCann will be the first to say it's his job to put a team out on the pitch with the right desire and heart to win football matches. He hasn't shyed away from that in his latest interview.

If we see that on the pitch, the fans respond. Putting results together builds confidence and enjoyment. Building consistent performances breeds excitement and interest. We want to hear from the players and the manager.

It's a simple formula.

[tyke1962]

Tyke.

Nice post but I'm not sure you're getting the point here, along with a few others who should know better.

No one at Donny has anything but the utmost thanks for what Ryan did in pulling the club round and setting us up for the best time in 50 years. No-one.

The issue is that there are many who complain constantly about the men who then continued to subsidise the club after Ryan left. The posts I've made are meant in that context. Pointing out that, but for them, we would have been in a right pickle for the past decade. Not least because Ryan's plans at the end of his spell were disastrous.

One can quite reasonably love what Ryan did 25 years ago, tear your hair out at what went on a decade ago, and be thankful to the people who continued to put huge amounts of their personal wealth into the club after he'd gone.

It's also a tragedy that the public of Doncaster didn't back Ryan in the numbers that he probably envisaged they would do .

We also had to have somebody that picked up the pieces when the club fell in to administration in 2002 .

We managed to get back to the championship and stick around for seven consecutive seasons along with an FA Cup semi final .

It's possible to have a Ryan or a John Dennis and how that ultimately ended but it doesn't mean you have to fall off a cliff when it's over .

[StocksArmy]

Not going to say JR had/has more passion than Dick or TB but, since JR left we have not seen anywhere near the level of passion within the playing staff. Thats a certainty.

[Chris Black come back]

I think the game has moved on massively in the 10 years since JR bailed out. Not only the levels of cash required to compete but how the game has moved on in tactical complexity and standards. We’ve not really moved past ‘hire decent manager and give him some cash’ which only gets you so far. In our case we did neither the last few years and now McCann is having to deal with several seasons of very bad decisions. Given how quickly we have cycled through managers, we need a structure that can survive a manager / coach leaving and all the upheaval and squad fit implications that has.

We are leaders in community engagement and involvement which should be a badge of pride, but laggards in footballing innovation and modernisation, which should be a badge of shame.

[Iberian Red]

Not going to say JR had/has more passion than Dick or TB but, since JR left we have not seen anywhere near the level of passion within the playing staff. Thats a certainty.

Great Post!
Not only was he chairman, but also manager,head coach and Mr Motivator.
Wasn't this thread about players lacking a pair of balls?

[ForsolongaRover]

I keep on saying it on this site, I don't care about the Richardson days, The Experiment or anything else that is history. It is just constant "smoke and mirrors" by the same people over and over again to distract us from the current state we are in.

Nothing about the club is inspiring and makes me want to go to a match when all I expect is another loss, and that is echoed by the PvO thread where the majority are "lose". We need to bring some passion and soul back into the club somehow. And all I have said was that John Ryan was the last member of the board or director to have the passion I used to enjoy. I don't see it in anyone now anywhere in the club, and no, I don't want want a love in with John Ryan (what a childish comment from SM!), I just respect the passion he has shown, even this year.

I think the game has moved on massively in the 10 years since JR bailed out. Not only the levels of cash required to compete but how the game has moved on in tactical complexity and standards. We%u2019ve not really moved past %u2018hire decent manager and give him some cash%u2019 which only gets you so far. In our case we did neither the last few years and now McCann is having to deal with several seasons of very bad decisions. Given how quickly we have cycled through managers, we need a structure that can survive a manager / coach leaving and all the upheaval and squad fit implications that has.

We are leaders in community engagement and involvement which should be a badge of pride, but laggards in footballing innovation and modernisation, which should be a badge of shame.

In relation to Michael Shaw%u2019s comment how does Silent Majority get the votes to continue as Supporters Representative when so many of his comments are so disrespectful of their concerns?

Perhaps if there were better representation there would have been more beneficial change earlier. It may be undiplomatic in such a role to be critical, but there is evidence that he is selective in taking concerns on board. He seems keener to put down people who ask questions that might embarrass those who manage the club, than to confront those who have plainly let the fans down. The changes in the operational arrangements when Copps was supposedly working as HoF with/above Schofield should have been made known, but we heard nothing. Surely when supporters were crying out for information about what the Board felt about the shambolic events last season, Blunt could have been persuaded to make some kind of statement? And the same might be said of Baldwin, the nominal CEO, who sets objectives for the football and then drifts off to manage Club Doncaster leaving everything to a Chairman who clearly needed lots of help. The manager can always be challenged it seems, but no one dare enquire how the CEO/third Board member allowed it all to happen.

As for the current problem I don%u2019t think it%u2019s unreasonable to conclude that what you/we see is also visible to Terry Bramall and I should not imagine that he relishes the obligation to take on an executive role at such a time in his life. He realises that Blunt failed and I do hope that Baldwin can devote time to assist him. DRFC is the flagship and as people have said there must be a fundamental reassessment of the organisation around the current manager which he (GB) should surely want to be delegated to him. In these early days, the change at the top will have had an unsettling effect on the players as well as everyone else. Football clubs are not exempt from the challenges that businesses face in managing Change.

I share CBCB%u2019s view that the football club really does need to think radically about its organisation. Baldwin has quite a task ahead.

[BillyStubbsTears]

B*llocks. Bringing up "The Experiment" at every opportunity is far from an example of giving anything but the utmost thanks for what Ryan did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years.

John Ryan's name came up on this thread because its title is Desire and Heart, and the poster's opinion was that the last time he'd felt the club had those things was when John Ryan was Chairman, and now, as a result, we find ourselves barely able to cope in League Two.

It was YOU who changed the direction of the thread by ignoring the poster's thoughts and challenging the actions of John Ryan, the bloke who you don't have anything but the utmost thanks for.

I could have put money in you responding like that.

The reason I mentioned The Experiment was as a response to someone moaning about "the businessmen" taking over the club and not funding it to the extent that the poster would like. I was pointing out that, whatever the poster might think about Ryan's desire, the Experiment could well have bankrupted the club if "the businessmen" weren't around to foot a good chunk of the bill.

Doesn't surprise me in the slightest that this goes over your head and you indulge your need to have a pointless fight. It happens most times I post.

[Bentley Bullet]

You never commented directly on any aspects of that post, other than to stick the boot in John Ryan. You never said whether you agreed with all of it, some of it, or none of it! You just stuck the boot in John Ryan. Not bad for someone who has nothing but the utmost thanks for what JR did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years.

Where did the poster mention not funding it to the EXTENT he would like? I read it as he was against the DIRECTION the money was spent, but then, I wasn't looking for an opportunity to have a pop at JR. You see, I genuinely give the utmost thanks for what Ryan did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years, and unlike you, don't bring up "The Experiment" at every opportunity.

[Filo]

Plenty of heart and desire tonight, what a difference

[Colin C No.3]

B*llocks. Bringing up "The Experiment" at every opportunity is far from an example of giving anything but the utmost thanks for what Ryan did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years.

John Ryan's name came up on this thread because its title is Desire and Heart, and the poster's opinion was that the last time he'd felt the club had those things was when John Ryan was Chairman, and now, as a result, we find ourselves barely able to cope in League Two.

It was YOU who changed the direction of the thread by ignoring the poster's thoughts and challenging the actions of John Ryan, the bloke who you don't have anything but the utmost thanks for.

I could have put money in you responding like that.

The reason I mentioned The Experiment was as a response to someone moaning about "the businessmen" taking over the club and not funding it to the extent that the poster would like. I was pointing out that, whatever the poster might think about Ryan's desire, the Experiment could well have bankrupted the club if "the businessmen" weren't around to foot a good chunk of the bill.

Doesn't surprise me in the slightest that this goes over your head and you indulge your need to have a pointless fight. It happens most times I post.

Then stop posting if it’s clearly ‘jerking your chain so much’!

[drfchound]

You never commented directly on any aspects of that post, other than to stick the boot in John Ryan. You never said whether you agreed with all of it, some of it, or none of it! You just stuck the boot in John Ryan. Not bad for someone who has nothing but the utmost thanks for what JR did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years.

Where did the poster mention not funding it to the EXTENT he would like? I read it as he was against the DIRECTION the money was spent, but then, I wasn't looking for an opportunity to have a pop at JR. You see, I genuinely give the utmost thanks for what Ryan did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years, and unlike you, don't bring up "The Experiment" at every opportunity.

BB, you really are wasting your time.
He will probably disengage now because you are right but he can’t back down.
Someone else will probably be along soon to support him though.
On the subject of the thread, I have made my views already.

[BillyStubbsTears]

You never commented directly on any aspects of that post, other than to stick the boot in John Ryan. You never said whether you agreed with all of it, some of it, or none of it! You just stuck the boot in John Ryan. Not bad for someone who has nothing but the utmost thanks for what JR did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years.

Where did the poster mention not funding it to the EXTENT he would like? I read it as he was against the DIRECTION the money was spent, but then, I wasn't looking for an opportunity to have a pop at JR. You see, I genuinely give the utmost thanks for what Ryan did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years, and unlike you, don't bring up "The Experiment" at every opportunity.

My first post on this issue, idiot.

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=289697.msg1279086#msg1279086

[BillyStubbsTears]

Plenty of heart and desire tonight, what a difference

There in spades tonight.

This division isn't easy, but it's a damn sight easier if you give the opposition a physical battle. It's criminal how little of that we've done for the past 3 years. More of this please.

[Bentley Bullet]

You never commented directly on any aspects of that post, other than to stick the boot in John Ryan. You never said whether you agreed with all of it, some of it, or none of it! You just stuck the boot in John Ryan. Not bad for someone who has nothing but the utmost thanks for what JR did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years.

Where did the poster mention not funding it to the EXTENT he would like? I read it as he was against the DIRECTION the money was spent, but then, I wasn't looking for an opportunity to have a pop at JR. You see, I genuinely give the utmost thanks for what Ryan did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years, and unlike you, don't bring up "The Experiment" at every opportunity.

My first post on this issue, idiot.

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=289697.msg1279086#msg1279086

This thread was intended to be about desire and heart. A poster said he hadn't felt any desire and heart since John Ryan left. He then explained why he felt like he did, and gave an opinion that is supported by the decline of the club since JR left. You then jumped in and continued your disdain for JR, using it to distract from the point he was making and to change the direction of the topic. 

As it stands now, your only contribution to this thread suggests you blame JR for the current lack of desire and heart at the club.

Dick.

[wilts rover]

You never commented directly on any aspects of that post, other than to stick the boot in John Ryan. You never said whether you agreed with all of it, some of it, or none of it! You just stuck the boot in John Ryan. Not bad for someone who has nothing but the utmost thanks for what JR did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years.

Where did the poster mention not funding it to the EXTENT he would like? I read it as he was against the DIRECTION the money was spent, but then, I wasn't looking for an opportunity to have a pop at JR. You see, I genuinely give the utmost thanks for what Ryan did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years, and unlike you, don't bring up "The Experiment" at every opportunity.

BB, you really are wasting your time.
He will probably disengage now because you are right but he can’t back down.
Someone else will probably be along soon to support him though.
On the subject of the thread, I have made my views already.

Where this forum gets its most tediously boring is when certain posters attempt to turn interesting threads into personal attacks on other posters.

Feed the trolls and they will bore - don't you think hound?

And I have also given my views on the topic already. I believe the performance last night validates them.

[Nudga]

Back on topic.


Last night's performance is a minimum requirement of playing football and as fans, it's all we ask for when playing away from home.
I thought our fans were right behind GM and the boys from the off so we played our part in moving on from the Notts match and giving them full support.
My only criticism is that Mo didn't show any desire in winning/shielding the ball from their goalscorer.
Special praise for Olowu from me, I criticised him heavily after the Notts match and I was disappointed to see him in the starting line up but he was superb last night and his distribution was bang on.
It's something to build on again and so hopefully a bit of confidence going into the next match.